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Iran Test Fires, Touts Advanced Surface-To-Surface Missile Day Ahead Of Nuclear Reactor Launch

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Nothing like a little geopolitical ruckus to spoil the fun...the fun. Xinhua reports that hours ago, and just a day before the Bushehr nuclear reactor is supposed to go online, Iranian Defense Minister Ahmad Vahidi said that Iran had test fired a surface-to-surface missile, Qiam, footage of which was shown on state television. Surely this fits well as a time slot segue from the recent clip showing mass graves prepared for Iran's "aggressors."

And while CNBC discusses jeggings purchasing trends as the most critical development in current global economics, here is some far less relevant news from Xinnua:

Iran's new surface-to-surface missile, Qiam, has been successfully test-fired, Vahidi said in Friday prayers in Tehran.

"Being a new class of Iranian missiles, Qiam has been equipped with new technical specifications and exceptional tactical powers, " Vahidi was quoted as saying.

One of the features of the missile is that "it does not have flippers and this provides it with higher tactical capabilities," the minister said.

Another feature of the missile is that the possibility of being targeted by other missiles is very low, Fars news agency quoted him as saying.

Vahidi did not specify the location and the time of the test.

Vahidi's remarks came a day before the country's Bushehr nuclear power plant operations startup.

Something tells us the Nielsen rating for this broadcast in Tel Aviv was one of the highest ones in 2010.


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Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:12 | 532381 snowball777
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Photoshop, bitchez.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 11:14 | 532860 Cognitive Dissonance
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Nothing like a little geopolitical ruckus to spoil the fun...the fun.

Scottrade, bitchez.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:14 | 532382 Bearster
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And their pursuit of nukes is purely for peaceful electrical generation purposes.

In other news about the jihad, Libya had to be warned not to have a second annual celebration of the release of the mass murderer who brought down a passenger plane over Lockerbie.  Does this leave any doubts that Libya (and other islamic nations) pursue terrorism as their official war policies against the West?  And if so, won't appeasement bring the same result as it did with Hitler?

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:33 | 532414 Max Hunter
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Hitler... yeah.. nice touch. 

Islamic REACTION to western aggression and occupation has been mild. If it were my country invaded, I would have fought the westerners with ALL MEANS at my disposal..

It just kills me how the Arabs and Persians are demonized for protecting themselves.. But i'm not surprised.. It's a classic attempt to gain or maintain consensus..  

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:54 | 532455 Dr. Richard Head
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I have to agree with you there.  The US creates "ground zeros" all throughout the Middle East and when those countries arm themselves for defense it is considered terrorism (keep in mind most of these countries our US government fights were armed by US corporations of the Military Industrial Complex, i.e. Iraq, North Korea, etc).  Never mind the genocide of the Iraqis. Never mind the CIA destabilization of democratically elected leaders of Islamic countries.  Never mind the fact that our government took down an airliner over Cuba full of innocent civilian women and children passengers.  Never mind the military grade weaponized gas the US military gave Saddam that he used to gas the Kurds.  Never mind Sunni and Shia Muslims are two opposing, fighting religious factions and the US government switches sides constantly as to whom they support.  Never mind facts.  Remember, ALL Muslims hates us because we are free.  It has nothing to do with the US policies of subverting countries that have never attacked America. 

911 were the work of extremists, not the official act of any Middle Eastern country.  The Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and soon to be Iran wars are used to fight for dollar hegemony and stopping the Chinese from getting to the resources that our government is plundering.  This has nothing to do with our freedom to now be stripped searched and monitored in all of our activities (aka FREEDOM!!!!!!!)

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 11:29 | 532905 the_magician
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Doc, you are right in many cases. 'closest friend in the world' likes playing war games, for whatever reasons. That leads to all this shit. Whatever the arguments are, i'm sure, that we humanity wouldn't be staring into the abyss today if our 'friend's' games wouldn't have g have gone out of control.And out of sight.




Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:01 | 532632 TBT or not TBT
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This nuclear drive by Iran is not about genuine Persian nationalism.     The actual Persian people despise the regime, which is so bent on Islamic messianism and end-of-times destruction of Israel stuff (while pillaging Iran for the mullahs and the well connected), that they can't keep the electricity on in Teheran, and they have systematic gasoline rationing for years and years, in a country sitting on huge oil reserves, despite loads of well trained persian engineers well capable of delivering these basics.     The regime provides a schedule of rolling blackouts to residents of Teheran so everyone can know when they can use their appliances and when not.   In the 21st century.   Abject stupidity by the regime is to blame.    The scarcity derives not from persecution by foreign powers but from the heavy islamic style socialism that derives from the attempt to impose ever purer Islam, a foreign, Arab religion, on Persia.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:10 | 532666 Turd Ferguson
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I'll go along with that, TBT. Nice job.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:30 | 532753 Max Hunter
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I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying TBT. I would add, however, that the opposition in Iran is not as widespread as MSM in the west would have you to believe. And the opposition does not align themselves with the West but instead would simply rather see a more moderate government.

Your statement implies (to me) that the regime change in Iran forced by western aggression is justified. I don't buy that.

Pull out a map. Look at the U.S. (West) military bases and recent invasions. If you are in Iran and do not feel threatened, then you are a fool.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:46 | 532439 Hedge Jobs
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ive read a few of your posts now bearster and come to the conclusion you are a retard. the simple answer to your 2 stupid questions is Yes to the first and no to the second. Im not even going to bother trying to explain why as im afraid your 1 brian cell might explode and leave you being even stupider than you already are. 

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 11:23 | 532891 mitack
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Nobody gives a sh!t what do you think...

Personal attacks not appreciated.

If you have nothing of substance to say,

STFU and go away...

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:10 | 532492 Shylockracy
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It is always amusing when Zionists take a break from land-stealing, organ-harvesting, sex-slaving of Ukranian women, phosphor bombing of civilians, blood-diamond trading, and multinational bribery & corruption to post warmongering lies at Zero Hedge.

With so much to do, just how can they find the time?

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:25 | 532531 Internet Tough Guy
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Psst, want to buy a diamond?

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:30 | 532752 ArrestBobRubin
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I know you'd give your poor sucker "such a deal!"

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:42 | 532805 Mojo
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Well, "the west" did let the guy go for some oil lease.

BTW, Hitler did have the best army on earth. Iran has nothing. Don't compare the two.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 11:44 | 532928 ZackAttack
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Man, this thread went all Godwin quickly, didn't it?

They'd be morons to fight a set-piece battle with the US when we've shown the world repeatedly that asymmetrical warfare is the way to defeat us.

They can defy us without consequence because they hold the key to Iraq. If we stay, they can foil any government we try to create; if we go, they can gain control of any government the Iraqis can form. You're just as well off getting screwed and coming home as getting screwed and staying.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 11:43 | 532945 Hephasteus
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Terrorism is the result of gross inequalities between two combatants. When one person or side feels grossly inadequate about a frontal confrontation they will either employ passive aggressive means. Or employ super drastic hardline tactics like flying your plane into carrier or suicide bombing. Though passive aggressive techniques are always being employed by those in power to undermine resistance. That's why government health care is so dangerous as it will be used to weaken the population to avoid them feeling strong or healthy enough to fight back. That's why massive posioning was employed through agricultural means before the last "break down" of the fractional reserve scam. This time they took thier time and employed lots of ways to poison. Mercury fillings, sugar balances to set off diabetes. Plenty of addictive chemicals.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 15:19 | 533470 ToNYC
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If all these Libyan bashers, not OXY for one sure, were to read the facts of the case against Abdel-Baset Megrahi, they'd see that he had taken the rap like a good soldier..not clear for who. Nothing like a river of cash flow to grease the wheels of justice for commerce.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:17 | 532387 newstreet
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I can hardly wait to check out these comments later in the day - after those paid to write have their say.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:03 | 532471 MarketTruth
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Paid to write? Ahhh yes, you must mean those (self-hating anti-semite) Zionists who have specific computer applications to rig votes on websites and conduct their own geo-political propaganda machine. Maybe the next step is for Israel to illegally send in Mossad to murder more country leaders to help change the news headlines?

"We must expel Arabs and take their places." --- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.

"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." --- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

"There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" --- Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country." --- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:10 | 532490 snowball777
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now the poor klu klux man

sees that we're all brothers

not because things are the same

because we lack the same color

and that's green

and that's mean

can't burn his cross

because he cant afford the gasoline

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 11:21 | 532881 Kaiser Sousa
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and u got junked for simply quoting the exact words & record of the "godfather" of modern Zionism....yeah, self inpsection and critical analysis of ones self can b uncomfortable when it reveals wickedness, malevolence, and amorality.... thanks for a peak at the historical record though...Cheers


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:06 | 532481 Dr. Richard Head
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Junking a post is the new ad hominen attack I guess. 

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:12 | 532679 old_turk
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Either that or they're saying you're off the mark.

btw, didn't use the junk button on you, I find perspectives interesting and enlightening particularly if they not in-line with my own.

But then that's just me, others get twitchy fingers.  It is a fight club after all.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 11:24 | 532876 MarketTruth
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Agreed, it is the fight club and that is well and good. Have a feeling the quotes from those in/of Israel may help get people to read books and truly learn about what is really going on, versus just their nightly mainstream news propaganda machine or the endless political speeches from many high ranking USA government officials who are dual citizens holding passports from both Israel and the USA.


"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that... I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." --- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001



Declassified: Massive Israeli manipulation of US media exposed

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 11:25 | 532897 mitack
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You mean- like in this:

Positive Views of Israel, Brought to You by Israelis

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 13:56 | 533261 Shylockracy
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Even Israelis are having trouble to stomach the overdosis of lies, brutality and hate their Government dishes out daily.

You may check these first-hand accounts by Israeli troopers in occupied Palestine. Not all Israelis are hopelessly dehumanized, as these former troopers show.

Warning, Zionist reality ahead.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:21 | 532392 jbc77
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For the love of God will someone please turn those towel head Iranian bastards into glass. I would really enjoy seeing Mock-mood-adeem-a-john take a missle up his rear.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:33 | 532416 doggings
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For the love of God will someone please turn those towel head Iranian bastards into glass. I would really enjoy seeing Mock-mood-adeem-a-john take a missle up his rear.

For the love of "there is no God" I would far rather see them do it to you and all the people like you.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:35 | 532424 Max Hunter
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Aren't you late for you plans to go into the woods and kill defenseless animals for sport?

I really hope crack will remain illegal when the war on drugs comes to an end..

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:51 | 532448 Internet Tough Guy
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Now now jb, that is not politically correct. You are only supposed to say that Tel Aviv should be destroyed, never Iran.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:52 | 532449 MountainMan
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Iranians are not towel head...I think you're thinking of the Arabs.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:54 | 532457 Hedge Jobs
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thats really constructive 77, i think you should get together with bearster. you would then have 2 brain cells to harness. Imagine what you could come up with then.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:13 | 532675 stollcri
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Fire up the nuclear crematorium, let's get this genocide started! Woohoo!

You sir are an ignorant douche-bag.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:22 | 532394 crosey
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Iran has every desire to be the tip of the spear in the ME.  Russia and China love it too.  Let's not have delusions any other way.  This is a very deliberate chess match.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:23 | 532398 newstreet
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How many paid for comments will be posted here this morning?

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:25 | 532402 Sudden Debt
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people get payd for posting crap?!


This place must be loaded with millionaires!

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:37 | 532560 SheepDog-One
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If people get paid for posting crap here then you must be a trillionaire by now Sudden Debt.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:16 | 532692 old_turk
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Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:41 | 532431 monkeyfaction
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My sources can confirm there is a crack a team of writers paid to disagree with anything you write on the internet.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:55 | 532459 Internet Tough Guy
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Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:55 | 532460 Sudden Debt
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How can you counter that logic, when it's written on the internet which makes it a 100% true.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:38 | 532777 Citizen of an I...
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My sources can confirm there is a crack a team of writers paid to disagree with anything you write on the internet.

Like hell there is!





Fri, 08/20/2010 - 21:11 | 534152 Bringin It
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Hey Monkey - My sources can confirm there is a crack a team of writers paid to disagree with anything you write on the internet.

What's this?

and this?

and this?

and this?

and this too?;_ylu=X3oDMTE0ZG5iZmNm...




Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:24 | 532400 Sudden Debt
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The window of opportunity...



is now closed.

It's raining nukes, HALELUJAH!

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:24 | 532401 mortpiedra
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... we could end this seemingly endless haggle simply by giving back isreal to the palestinians ... think about how much money we could save on military expenditure ... it would be the simplest and most straightforward step towards world peace ... amen!

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:43 | 532579 Hedge Jobs
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agreed, 1 country for all who want to live in peace there, jews, muslims and christians all together. Seems to work pretty well in every other developed nation. Oh, hang on, we cant do that. The jewish supremacists dont want to share with the lowly christian and muslims because according to their god they are better than everyone else.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 13:04 | 533151 Things that go bump
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We could offer them Nevada for a homeland.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:28 | 532405 Blankman
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Iranian made, anyone have the specs on this puppy?  By the way wrong photo:


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:29 | 532408 Blankman
Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:34 | 532419 cossack55
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Notice the clean lines and Flipperless fuselage.  You would have figured that out with all the apparent Flippers on the story foto.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:32 | 532411 cossack55
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I believe you will find that puppies are actually used in the production of the Qiar missile in the surface-to-dogbowl family.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:29 | 532407 cossack55
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A really large blow to the illeagal fishing industry in the Gulf, but a reprieve from extinction for dolphins worldwide.  At the expected production rate of the Qiam, it would have required thousands of Flippers. 

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:32 | 532413 10044
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Qiam means war(the holy type) in case you're interested

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:36 | 532425 cossack55
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Qiar means "missile with tail like Labrador Retriever".  Amazing how they can condense the language.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:31 | 532641 ArrestBobRubin
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Actually it translates as:

Go ahead and and fuck with us Rothschildstan and these babies will be raining down all over your shitty little God forsaken country.

Wow, the Iranians sure make very effective use of language....

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:33 | 532415 kavaron
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All this story about not letting Iran getting nuclear weapons is a joke. Iran has already one of the most advanced biochemical weaponry in the world and all the experts know that modern biochemical weapons are far more deadly than nuclear.

Something else is going on about all these threats and I cannot understand what. The only sure thing is that USA and Israel don't give a damn if Iran acquires nuclear bombs within the next 3 years.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:24 | 532528 Shylockracy
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Missile technology is the answer. Nuclear technology is just a cover for the real fear of the Zionist entity. Only the psychological impact of an Iranian second-strike capability, which is already a reality, is enough to sap the national fervour of the most productive, educated and internationally mobile group in Israel. Faith in the Zionist bogus "reconquista" is sagging, and an Iran that can take as well as dish out punches dissonates cognitively a tad too much with the fabled "land without a people, for a people without a land" bullshit.



Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:37 | 532427 Sean7k
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It would be useful to have the date on what kind of warhead it can carry, distance and accuracy. A thrown cowpie is a surface to surface weapon. Does it have the ability to evade countermeasures? 

Otherwise, this is just a standard weapon development by an emerging country. 

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:42 | 532433 Sudden Debt
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The missile in the picture is clearly a 2 stage antibalistic anti air missle.

I'm thinking the SA-23 but I'm not sure, russian made and DELIVERED IN JULY by Russia. The transport was supposed to be cancelled because of US complaints.

So if that is the SA-23, this would mean that Russia needs to explain itself.


And let's make some jokes about these:

The AIM-54 Phoenix is a radar-guided, long-range air-to-air missile, carried in clusters of up to six missiles — formerly on the U.S. Navy's and currently on the Islamic Republic of Iran Air Force's F-14 Tomcat interceptors/multi-role fighters: which is the only aircraft capable of carrying it.

Nothing wrong on making a buck right? All weapons come from Russia? HA HA!

And these are a little bit more advanced then the Sadam Scudes:



Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:48 | 532444 cossack55
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Sadly, SD, not much funny about these boys.  The Phoenix is getting a little long-in-the-tooth, but so is the B-52.  The Sovi....Russians make some wonderful missiles using the German scientists they have had locked in the cellar since 45'.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:12 | 532499 sushi
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Man, o man!! Who sold F-14 Tomcats to the Iranians? Wanna bet it was that badass Saddham Hussein who needed to raise cash so he could by toxic gases from the USA to use against Iran not to mention pay for Rumsfeld's hotel bills.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:06 | 532647 Quantum Nucleonics
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The US sold F-14's to Iran back when the Shah was in power and we were bff.  It's unlikely they fly them anymore for lack of spare parts.  It's even less likely the AIM-54 missiles are workable, as the required guidance radar is even more needing of embargoed spare parts.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:08 | 532659 TBT or not TBT
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The Tomcats were sold to Iran before the islamic revolution, back when there was a very friendly relationship between the U.S. and Iran, and not just at the diplomatic level.   There was heavy and deep commercial and cultural exchange ongoing at the time, many thousands of Americans and even more Persians living and working in each other's country.    Ain't Jimmy Carter a peach?   The Persians may not have all loved the shah at the time, but they almost all will acknowledge that what they got out of the revolution, where the mullahs ended up with the upper hand, was and is much, much worse.   Americans think that too, BTW.    Just clueing you in.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:00 | 532631 Quantum Nucleonics
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The missile in the picture is an Iranian copy of an HQ-2, a Chinese copy of a Russian SA-2 surface to air missile, which was developed over 50 years ago.  It's often converted by third world countries into a short range (30-ish miles) surface-to-surface missile.  Modern (and even not so modern) jamming render it completely useless in its original anti-aircraft role.

The photo shown in this article is not the missile Iran claims to have developed and launched today.  The SA-23 missile to which you refer looks completly different.  The "new" missile is yet another variation of the SS-1 Scud, in this case an Iranian version of a North Korean copy of a Chinese copy of the well known ancient Russian system.  It has a range of about 180 miles.

The Russians do have a contract to deliver SA-20 SAM systems to Iran, but have not yet delivered them.  Once they are installed, any strike on Iran by either Israel or the US would be much more complicated.

In any case, there will be no strike on Iran.  Their program is dispersed to too many sites for Israel's resources.  The US is lead by a meek community organizer who doesn't have a clue what he's doing except bankrupting America with new and improved welfare state.  Our friends in Europe are even more meek, if that's possible.  Once the reactor is functional, it can't be destroyed without widespread civilian casualties.  Weak ineffective leadership and appeasement have failed.  Iran will have its nuclear weapon.  Those of us who argued for a more forceful response will be watching, and when appropriate, saying we told you so.


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:42 | 532434 Headbanger
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Flippers!? We don't need no stinking flippers!!

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:47 | 532443 Moric
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Nice touch on the E-Trade reference.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:53 | 532451 FOC 1183
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This is nothing a bow and a beer summit can't fix.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:53 | 532452 israhole
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It's not just Hasbara clowns on the internet, but our owned media, too.  Some "ally" we have in terrorist Israel:


"To "disrupt a US peace proposal" @ 1:30 into video.  Israel is a failed state, and the US should cut bait before it's too late.


DUMP ISRAEL, everybody's just dying to.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:09 | 532486 Hedge Jobs
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you got a great selection of damning evidence on these traitors Israhole. thanks for sharing.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:06 | 532649 ArrestBobRubin
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Bang on. Israhole, you da man. Fearless.

Sat, 08/21/2010 - 03:36 | 533275 Shylockracy
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Ditto. I for one am tired of having the state picking my pocket, and throwing my children into debt-slavery to keep a Jews-only horror theme park in the Mediterranean.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:54 | 532453 Paper CRUSHer
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"Sergeant Tyler, sir the Iranians are broadcasting more propaganda footage,a missile launch just reported sir".

"Ya mean more that 'mass graves dug' shit soldier"

"Yes sir........i think they mean us,sir"

"What d'ya suggest Serg'"

"We ain't doin nothin', there's not a damn thing we can do".

"Its all up to FOX NEWS now"

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:55 | 532458 francismarion
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"I hope we give Israel to the Palestinians so I can continue my meaningless existence without the threat of of and major Islamofascist attacks in America in my lifetime."


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:56 | 532461 Sudden Debt
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THERE IS YOU PROOF! Soon to be shown on CNN :)

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 08:59 | 532463 Hephasteus
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He should have bought the haliburton human traficking overcharging for civilian support shoot you in the face destroy the gulf of mexico patriot missles. I heard they wurk gud.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:00 | 532465 optimator
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New Surface to Surface sure looks like the 50 year old Soviet SA-2 Surface to Air.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:00 | 532466 Sudden Debt
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The missile in the picture doesn't show in any current Iranian supposed stocklists. So the demonstration is a "look what I've got" and "guess who sold it to me" kind of thing.

And here is the rest of the index:


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:11 | 532667 Quantum Nucleonics
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It's an HQ-2, the Chinese version of the SA-2.  The missile they actually fired off is a copy of a North Korean version of a Chinese copy of a 50 year old Russian SS-1 Scud.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 12:10 | 533018 Sudden Debt
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Iran wasn't harmed by a embargo like Irak had. They have a lot more shit.

Also, Russia and China are buddies of Iran.  And I also do remember wapon transactions from Europe to Iran.

Also, Iran is a very, very big country.

If America where to move, it would require almost all of the militairy forces for at least 3 to 5 years.

Sat, 08/21/2010 - 04:44 | 534505 cossack55
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Or Blackwater boyz at ten times the cost for 111 years.  Who does BW contribute to?

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:02 | 532472 francismarion
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"Israel is oppressing it neighbors and tyrannical and the peace loving inhabitants of Palestine should be allowed to take back all the land of Israel. The present inhabitants are a problem.  Let's give them ten thousand miles of any part of the Atlantic Ocean they want."

Keen Observer and Geopolitical Student

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:33 | 532546 Internet Tough Guy
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Anyone who brings up the oppression of turkish kurds, egyptian coptic christians and jews, the entire population of iran, christians in syria, or non-muslims in saudi arabia is an anti-semite. Free Palestine!

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:04 | 532476 francismarion
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"My obscenity and profanity are incontrovertible proof that Israel is evil."

Mommy's Little Angel 

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:07 | 532480 Internet Tough Guy
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You are getting warm. It helps if you rant obscenely and post a loony link with a name like 'jewsagainstisrael' or 'jewishbloodvampires'. That would be a big credibility boost.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 21:37 | 534174 Bringin It
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ITG - You are getting warm. It helps if you rant obscenely and post a loony link with a name like 'jewsagainstisrael' or 'jewishbloodvampires'.

That's a little disingenuous coming from a guy like you.  Now tell me again how much you love Israel, Zionists and Jewish supremecists, but ... [wait for it] ... you are not Jewish, are uncircumcised and heve never been to or even know anyone who's been to a bar-mitzvah.

Yet you have the time and inclination to be here posting 24/7 on behalf of same. 

I enjoy your sense of humor.  You are very funny.


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:07 | 532483 francismarion
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"The world conspiracy of banks and the media have joined with the ZOG, TPTB, NASA, IBM, the Illuminati, Tang, the Builderburgs and the USPS to permit Israel to exist."


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:13 | 532495 Internet Tough Guy
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Heh, anyone who disagrees with you must be a highly paid ZOG plant or close relative of Prescott Bush.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:15 | 532501 Hedge Jobs
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oh no, its a tag team by zionist shills tough guy and FM. The game is up you 2. Its not too late to get on the side of good rather than remain on the side of evil. its your choice but you try to keep up the charade and you are going to get whats comin to you. just sayin

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:08 | 532484 Joe Davola
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Last evening I watched an interesting show:


A recurrent theme was the US underestimating how long it would take other nations to develop a weapon.  I wonder if the Israeli government believes it when BHO tells them it will take Iran at least a year to weaponize?

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:10 | 532487 Sudden Debt
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Look at the wingtips of the second stage.

Now look at the wingtipts of this one:

These shown in the picture are missiles pointed IN CHINA to TAIWAN.

Jan 11, 2010


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:12 | 532493 Headbanger
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But it got them flipper thingies dude and that be old school.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:29 | 532748 old_turk
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Bottle rocket don't have flipper thingies and they are real old school.  :-)

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:11 | 532491 francismarion
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"Why doen't Israel show it trusts the Arabs and give back the Golan and West Bank? Then they will be friends"


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:15 | 532504 Internet Tough Guy
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You must be a hyper tribal zionist kibbutznik. Everyone knows the Israelis should decamp immediately for Poland and/or Germany. Nothing bad could happen to them there.

-signed, a white european descendant squatting on Native American land.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:13 | 532498 francismarion
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"Iran has no reason to strike Iran. All nations conduct foreign policy on the basis of self-interest."


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:22 | 532521 Internet Tough Guy
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If every unstable dictatorial regime had the bomb, world peace would finally flower. The lack of nukes in a region of constant war and tumult is the greatest impediment to peace.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:13 | 532500 francismarion
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"Let them settle it on their own. It doesn't affect us."

Logical Ally

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:15 | 532502 francismarion
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"If Iran destroys Isreal, they can always retaliate."


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:20 | 532513 Internet Tough Guy
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There is no reason to believe a holocaust-denying dictator who has promised to wipe out Israel would actually do what he says. Plus he was misquoted, what he really said was that he was half-jewish on his mothers side, and loved to visit the holy land on the high holidays.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:22 | 532523 Hedge Jobs
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the holocuast is a myth. It gets filed in the fiction section along with the toothfairy, santa clause and easter bunny.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:28 | 532536 Internet Tough Guy
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Your toilet paper avatar fits; you obviously have shit for brains.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:54 | 532612 Hedge Jobs
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hey, you brought it up. if you dont want your fantasies challenged then dont post about them. you dont actually really beleive in the holohoax crap do you?

i can see why they call you tough guy though, or is that just what you call yourself.

Anyway just let me know if you want me to start linking some info on the topic. id be happy to

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:42 | 532803 Max Hunter
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How dare you not submit to the new religion of the holocaust.  Whatever happened, it was a crime against European Jews no doubt. 6 million gassed.. Not even close..

Although, the sympathy and guilt produced by this new religion sure bodes well for Israeli aggression against its neighbors..

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:16 | 532505 francismarion
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"Israel has nothing to fear. They have the strongest army in the area".

Eighth grade Five Star General

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:20 | 532518 Hedge Jobs
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just say what you really mean FM. that you want US soldiers to die for the "jewish state" of isreal. its ok to be honest

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:19 | 532511 francismarion
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"The Jews have a long history of manipulation and failure to assimilate.  Why should they have a homeland?"


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 12:11 | 533020 Max Hunter
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Sure... As long as it's not your home they land on.  Right?  Is there anything else you do not possess that you'd like to give away?

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:20 | 532514 francismarion
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"Send'em back to Germany. They'll feel at home there."

Deep Thinker

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:20 | 532517 francismarion
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Israel will not be destroyed.

Swamp Fox

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:49 | 532599 Internet Tough Guy
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Mass graves and missile tests are a clever way of reaching out to find common ground. The Persians invented chess, after all.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:27 | 532532 francismarion
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"This affects only the parties involved. I'm late for a meeting. Where is my cell phone?"


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:28 | 532535 francismarion
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"Why do I have to care".

Good Boy

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:29 | 532539 francismarion
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Rock Star

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:29 | 532540 francismarion
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Coming soon to a theater near you.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:30 | 532541 francismarion
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"Israel has no need of our troops, just our money and arms.  But those vampire joooooos want our boys' blood too."


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:43 | 532558 Internet Tough Guy
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I don't care if we give financial and military aid to Egypt, Jordan, Turkey, Saudi Arabia. Cognitive dissonance makes me uncomfortable, and for that I blame the jews.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 21:48 | 534201 Bringin It
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Money goes to Egypt and Jordan to prop up unpopular regiemes so that they remain pliable and responsive to your Zionist needs.  You and your homies keep making this point about aid to Egypt and Jordan, when you know full well that giving these 2 tyranical governments cash is a Zionist program and cutting off said aid is the last thing you want to see.  I mean how would you control the Rafah border crossing if Egypt went off the reservation? 

Turkey is strategic for a number of reasons and is a democracy.  [How much do we give to Turkey anyways?]

Saudi has all that oil, the regieme needs protection or the price of oil gets out of hand.  But, they're rich as rich can be, so I don't think they need or want us to give them more FRNs

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:33 | 532545 francismarion
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"No self-respecting Mahdist Shiite totalitarian would really hurt Israel, just because he says he will."

Profound Psychologist

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:03 | 532642 Internet Tough Guy
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Israel is a religious state, can you believe we allow that? Of course so is the clerical dictatorship in Iran, but that is none of our business. We should insist that Israel not be religion-based, and ignore the fact that the Iranian regime is a religious totaliarian regime. That would be more sensible.  

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 14:22 | 533326 thrashaholic
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Again, the difference here is that Israel claims to be a secular, democratic state. ( Whatever the hell that means. ) Some sort of beacon unto the heathen Arab/Persian world. In reality, nothing could be further from the truth.


I prefer to call a spade a spade - they're both nut job religiously intolerant, racist states; just ask a Sephardi.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:34 | 532547 perpetual-runner-up
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I dont see why it is hard for people to understand, once Iran goes nuclear, Israel has to assume that any missle launch from Iran is nuclear tipped...


Soon, it will be expanded to rockets and such from lebanon as miniturization is possible....

So you see by Iran going nuclear, it virtually assures a nuclear explosion in the middle east...

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 21:52 | 534207 Bringin It
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So you see, by Isreal covertly creating and deploying nuclear weapons, they have set in play a ME nuclear arms race that will lead to the destruction of same.

Saddam had no nukes.  Look what happened to Saddam.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:44 | 532584 papaswamp
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Ah today might be more interesting than I anticipated.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 09:58 | 532624 Turd Ferguson
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The latest update from The Mossad:

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:00 | 532630 Hammurabi
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pleas human keep this web sit clean from your polotical point of views

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:27 | 532739 francismarion
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"I have proof Israel is evil. Check out this u-boob vid!"


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:29 | 532751 francismarion
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"The Palestinian's are just want their own land.  And the land next to it."

Fair Minded

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:41 | 532801 Internet Tough Guy
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As an American I am outraged that people could have their land taken by force. This does not apply to North America. Free Palestine!

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 14:17 | 533313 thrashaholic
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The difference here, is that what happened in North America was several generations ago. It was wrong, of course, but little can be done about it - the aggressors are long dead. What's happening in Palestine is happening currently, can be stopped, and the aggressors are still profiting from it. Most of your arguments are pretty fucking weak - just sayin'.


-A half Scot, half Creek that hopes it's your ass they send over there to invade Iran.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:31 | 532754 francismarion
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"They did it first! That makes it ok for us!"


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:39 | 532782 ArrestBobRubin
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And to think that the Swamp Fox was a brave American man in total opposition the primary financial terrorists of his own day, and the evil they brought to his world.

Dude, Frank Marion vomits in his own mouth each time he considers what you've done to his good name. Why don't you call yourself Avigdor Lieberman, that would be a much more accurate handle for your sorry act.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 21:58 | 534219 Bringin It
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ABR - Can't do that.  If he called himself Avigdor Lieberman, it would make appearent his ethnic stake in the bs he's spewing.

Much better to impersonate a revolutionbary American hero and thereby fool everyone.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:34 | 532771 francismarion
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"We should treat everyone the same. Because everything is everything. It makes my brain hurt to make distinctions based on truth"


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:40 | 532787 francismarion
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"I'm too smart to choose between them."



Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:42 | 532796 francismarion
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"I'm too smart to choose between them."



Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:41 | 532799 francismarion
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"I'm too smart to choose between them."



Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:42 | 532806 francismarion
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"He didn't mean it!"

Ak-mad's Mom

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:43 | 532810 francismarion
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"The best way to live in peace with a lunatic neighbor is to giv'em a gun."


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:43 | 532811 francismarion
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"The best way to live in peace with a lunatic neighbor is to giv'em a gun."


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 10:45 | 532815 francismarion
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"if you have a gun, everybody should have one."


Fri, 08/20/2010 - 12:51 | 533115 Turd Ferguson
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Every single Israel/Iran/Palestine/Turkey thread on ZH inevitably becomes a shouting match. Very, very hard opinions on each side.

Look no further for proof that war is coming. There is no negotiation. There can be no mediation. There is no middle ground. 

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 14:10 | 533300 Shylockracy
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You mean civil war, I suppose.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 14:18 | 533318 thrashaholic
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Hopefully this time, the Jeffersonians win.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 19:38 | 534033 zen0
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JERUSALEM is the middle ground, and also the stumbling block.

Hence the endless endlessness.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 14:19 | 533322 Cathartes Aura
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having lost both the argument, and the desire to even pretend to post intelligently, francismarion & his lil bro ITG out themselves as the trolls they are.

  • Troll (Internet), an internet term for a person who, through willful action, attempts to disrupt a community or garner attention and controversy through provocative messages ("trolls").

obviously paid per post.

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 19:44 | 534040 zen0
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The "paid per post" thing is a red herrring. For all we know, you are paid per post. In Parliamentary debate, imputing of motive is forbidden. This is because it is a waste of time and effort, unless you can actually make a connection with documents that compromises the commentor.


(note to handler: I want double for this one)

Fri, 08/20/2010 - 22:38 | 534232 Bringin It
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red herrring - only one side has the money and the need for damage control to defend a deteriorating position.

People used to joke about Germans saying "I was not a Nazi."  Now we have ITG denying his heritage.  Why?

Is this a red herrrring?

[Thanks to who posted this earlier.] 

It has to be cheaper to employ blogo-zealots than to buy off The Atlantic.

Sat, 08/21/2010 - 01:25 | 534421 zen0
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Beside the fact that this would not be a remarkably uncommon phenomena (everybody does it......yes virginia, the media is for sale), I missed the part where Zero Hedge was specifically targeted.

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