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Iran Test Fires Two Long-Range Missiles Into Mouth Of Indian Ocean Where Two US Aircraft Carriers Are Situated

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Today for the first time, Iran's IRNA news agency reported that the country had fired two missiles with a range of 1,900 km, coupled with TV coverage, into the mouth of the Indian Ocean. As PressTV reports, "Commander of the Aerospace Division of Iran's Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Brigadier General Ali Hajizadeh said that the long-range missiles were fired in the Iranian calendar month of Bahman (January 21 to February 20). He said that the missiles, fired from central Iran towards the Indian Ocean, successfully hit its designated targets, IRNA reported Saturday. Hajizadeh said that Iran's missiles have a range of up to 2,000 kilometers, adding that “Iran has the ability to produce longer-ranged ones (missiles) but presently there is no need to produce them." The purpose of the test firing was all too clear: "Our desired targets and the country's threatening us are located well within the reach [of our missiles]," he said. In other words: any US-based invasion of Iran will most certainly see prompt retaliation against US national-interests in the region. This is especially concerning since the US currently has two aircraft carriers, amusingly the Bush and the Reagan, both sitting side by side at the straits of Hormuz, with LHD 4 boxer backing up the rear in a zone that is now quite explosive. Had these test firings been perceived by a provocation, and lately it appears that the US is actively seeking one, it may have been quite a mess.

More from Reuters:

Iran usually tests its missiles in extensive deserts in the heart of the country, so the firing into the Indian Ocean is an unusual move, aimed to prove Tehran's longstanding claims it can hit targets beyond its borders.

Television showed a missile being fired but the announcer did not specify if the pictures were of the Indian Ocean test-firing. No pictures were shown of a target being hit at sea.

The announcement came after a 10-day military exercise by the elite Guards that was designed to deter Iran's enemies by showing Iran is ready and able to hit back at U.S. bases in the Middle East and at Israel.

The United States and Israel have not ruled out military strikes on Iran if necessary to stop it getting nuclear weapons.

Stratfor provides the latest distribution of US naval assets: it shows why the "mouth of the Indian Ocean" is in many ways a comparable zone to Serbia circa 1914. All we need is a (real or false flagged) Gavrilo Princip, and suddenly Goldman's latest oil reco flip flop will make a whole lot of sense.

 

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Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:18 | 1439594 carbonmutant
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The Arabian Sea or the Indian ocean?

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:46 | 1439670 Azannoth
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"..fired from central Iran towards the Indian Ocean, successfully hit its designated targets.." - yes they hit watter 100% success!

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:06 | 1439856 carbonmutant
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Hard to believe they would have dropped it anywhere near CVN76 or 77. That would clearly have been an act of war.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 16:37 | 1440167 sgt_doom
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No, douchey, an act of war is always parking your nuke carriers offshore of another country, and when was the last time Iran had any war vessel parked off the coast of New Jersey???

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 18:05 | 1440291 blueRidgeBoy
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that's a creative interpretation of international maritime laws and treaties.  Stupid and wrong, but creative.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 20:04 | 1440427 HungrySeagull
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No. Sinking a Carrier with 6000 aboard will be a irrevocable act of war.

 

We don't have enough of the damn things.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 04:25 | 1441069 Baptiste Say
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Sinking a US warship isn't an act of war.

 

It's a guaranteed way to secure tens of billions in financial and direct military aid and unwavering diplomatic support.

 

Well at least that's what history would suggest:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 23:35 | 1442597 rocker
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What nation would be soooo stupid to name a air craft carrier Bush and park it near the islamic nations of the world and NOT expect some shit to happen?   What the fuck would one expect.   Cheese in a Rat Trap.  EH.

Question is. Who's really in the trap?   Raise my hand.  Please.    Stupid is as Stupid does.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:11 | 1439869 wanklord
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The only way Barry & Associates can justify a war against the Islamic Republic of Iran is by staging another false flag attack on continental US: most likely a controlled nuclear explosion (dirty bomb) targeting a major urban concentration killing dozens of thousands of civilians. This operation will be carried out by the CIA in partnership with Mossad and MI6 to later on be blamed on AlQaeda working in conjunction with elements of Iran's IRGC and Pakistan's ISI. Besides that, Americans are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue; the Obama administration will need the unconditional support of these brutes in order to further their agenda. 

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:26 | 1439917 augie
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Eh, I seem to remember a certain motherland attempting to "manipulate and subdue" Americans before with little success. Dumb and Stupid maybe, but once people have something to believe in again, we will put our collective "retard strength" to good use.

When's the last time a citizen of the UK stood up for his fellow people and led a revolution? has there been one since Mahatma Gandhi? Soon we will all be united in revolution, I hope you don't then still identify our struggle with a national identity. 

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:48 | 1439971 AnAnonymous
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South Sudan declares indepedency on today. Independency immediately recognized by the US.

 

US that is insisting that the new independent nation reviews the oil contract taken so far.

 

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 15:01 | 1439996 augie
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Do not confuse the people of the united states with the United States. Not all Americans are part of the problem, I believe the majority of Americans are simply too scared to do anything to jeopardize what they have. 

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 15:28 | 1440045 MassDecep
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Playing right into the Handlers hands. Big event right around the corner. It is all by design sheeple. Fear = Change. They have successfully eliminated one enemy, lets form another!

Then Big change ...You can be sure of.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 15:34 | 1440054 augie
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Dum spiro, spero

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 19:04 | 1440354 StychoKiller
Sat, 07/09/2011 - 20:07 | 1440431 HungrySeagull
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There is a movie I remember.

Dr Strangelove was another.

Fail Safe was a gripper.

 

War Games was the king of them all. We had to endure 10 cinemas standing room only with a strict allocating of 900 per showing per cinemas and a 9 hour 6 deep line wait in a half mile long mall on both decks. The upper floor stopped moving at times in harmonic response to the people when they walk in time together. They learned to stay broken time to help keep the structure intact.

 

Never was there the silence as there was prior to "Would you like to play a game?"

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 20:47 | 1440506 GoinFawr
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War Inc. was funny. Loved the ending.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 21:25 | 1440584 Reptil
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For those of you who can read french or understand spanish, this is better than gold:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdvuB5_VnyM

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 00:25 | 1440895 Green Leader
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¿Eso ocurrió en verdad?

Oh, shit!

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 22:03 | 1441504 elderstew
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Sun, 07/10/2011 - 00:11 | 1440878 monoloco
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We need another war to keep the sheeples' attention diverted from the economy.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:19 | 1439598 SparkySC
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Well, fire back some 'TEST' MISSILES!!!

Just a performance check.

 

 

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:38 | 1439654 High Plains Drifter
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why don't we just leave and leave them the hell alone? is that so difficult anymore?

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:52 | 1439686 Azannoth
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Americans have absolutely no beef with Iranians, it's the other 'Americans' that do

If it wasn't for the jews we'd have no 1 and 2 World War, no instability in the Middle East and no 1 Trillion dollar defense budget, the more I  think about it the more I come to the conclusion that Hitler was on to something ..

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:00 | 1439706 High Plains Drifter
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well we must be careful using the "j" word. it causes the ears to itch and the heads to hurt....:)

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:17 | 1439743 Max Hunter
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Indeed.. but I really enjoy the fireworks.. Plus it brings out the Israeli Firsters and the white supremist plants to marginalize an otherwise legitimate discussion..

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:36 | 1439797 High Plains Drifter
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you noticed too huh?  :)

 

 

this is the way it is always done. watch and see on this very thread. the military pys ops people will be here shortly defending the military etc......never fails......

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:58 | 1439841 DosZap
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So, the madman, who practiced the Occult, and who's country precipitated BOTH WWI & II, has no blame.

The Jews started them huh?.

Incidentally, ALL Americans have a problem with IRAN, and every other Islamic state.

Their radical Religion.

It's called World Domination,and it's there goal.

Same story as the NWO crowd, just a different path.

Both want same results.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:08 | 1439865 Max Hunter
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WRONG.. I'm an American and I don't have a problem with Iran or Muslims.. I do have a problem with fucktards like you that have their head so far up their ass they could never walk straight even if they ever pulled it out..

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:43 | 1439950 pods
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Sorry Dos, painting with a very broad brush.  I would say that most americans could not find Iran on a map, nevermind have a problem with them.

pods

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 16:27 | 1440149 Edmund Dantes
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Just WHO exactly is looking for world domination?

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 16:38 | 1440169 sgt_doom
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Two douchebaggers have junked you, must mean Richard Perle and Henry Kissinger are lurking around here today?

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 22:10 | 1440707 Milestones
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Hush now!! Folks think ya be a quitter.     Milestones

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:41 | 1439659 Estrella
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Bad idea... I have flown extensively over Iran. Roughly, it looks like Nevada; steep rough mountain, valley, mountain and repeat. This is NOT the type of terrain that our forces do well in. You could set off a nuke in one valley and have no impact on a facility just 10 miles away in the next. I assure you, you do not want to start a war in this area, you will be bogged down forever. A few dozen guys with Stingers would be unbeatable in this terrain.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:19 | 1439747 Max Hunter
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you do not want to start a war in this area, you will be bogged down forever

YOU might not.. common sense may dictate this.. but.. the Military Industrial Complex and their Zionist/Industrialist controllers would love such a bogging.. Isn't this evident?

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 18:23 | 1440309 Shredd the FED
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+1

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 22:14 | 1440715 Milestones
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Oh hell yes--we are doing so marvelously in the M.E. now  Wow, some of you people just don't get it.      Milestones

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:24 | 1439754 dwdollar
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Not much different than Afghanistan.  Regardless, we don't have the resources for a FOURTH campaign.  Iran is undoubtedly much larger and more capable than anything since 2001.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:39 | 1439941 Bay of Pigs
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Yes, and its worked out so well there that the Canadians are now leaving, which puts more stress on American forces. 

People who defend this bullshit are intellectually dishonest and are part of the problem, not a solution.

The US will leave Afghanistan just like the Russians one day with their tail between their legs. There is no possibity of ever "winning" this thing.

 

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 16:00 | 1440110 Rodent Freikorps
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If you look at the ROE, it was never meant to be won.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 22:24 | 1440722 Milestones
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Wooyee Woo, we lost or had thousands killed and injured, spent a TRILLION dollars to show em how frigin tough we are? Where in the chain of command are you in the Pentagon? Treasury Dept. ROE--Are you Timmie in drag?      Milestones

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 22:43 | 1440737 Rodent Freikorps
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Don't blame me. I advocated the total destruction of Afghanistan by nuclear weapons, and mass crucifixions in Iraq.

I was overruled.

Do read even Bush's ROE and you will see  victory was never the goal. An new Viet Nam that bled the military and the nation was the goal.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 01:08 | 1440961 prole
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lol thought friecorpse meant "return on investment" in which case his first comment made perfect sense. I should have known he was just cheerleading for genocide. Ironic posting it here anyway since his loyalty is not to America.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 09:15 | 1441161 Rodent Freikorps
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The US decided to follow a far, far more humane path.

What did it buy them?

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 09:26 | 1441174 Urban Redneck
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The problem lies defining "winning" in terms of "nation building" and "occupation."

The US could have liquidated every man, woman, and child in Afghanistan by now several times over, and the Russians could have also done so quarter century ago and they would have "won" simply by virtue of being the only participants left.

The possibility of "winning" is effectively eliminated when a modern State decides it is going to show up in another State and impose its particular "lifestyle choice" upon the local the populace. 

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:30 | 1439773 HungrySeagull
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I have explored Iran via Google Earth and Maps. It's about 34 areas (States?) that are quite challenging for warmaking. Even Columbia and Venequela is pretty tough too.

I know Nevada well, it's not for the weak, faint of heart or the roaches who are accustomed to the city.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:55 | 1439837 Bubba Schwartz
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I have flown over Iran.

 

I have landed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kuwait, every Emirate of the UAE, Oman, Djibouti, etc.

 

Stingers and small arms fire be damned! We had two hit aircraft in Iraq and they recovered successfully (yes WE ARE VASTLY UNDERPAID!)

 

I don't want any more war, but we have forgotten Reagan's maxim: "No one attacked America because it was too weak."

 

You have millions of young men and women risking their lives for the western world's survival while you worry about how much money you might have or what toys you have in the garage or on the lake.

 

To quote Monty Python, "I fart in your genral direction."

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:59 | 1439845 Bubba Schwartz
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oops -- Regan's quote was "No one has attacked America because it was too stong."

 

too many G&T.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 16:40 | 1440172 sgt_doom
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No doubt your flying time equals your quote-reading time.....

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:11 | 1439875 Hapte
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"You have millions of young men and women risking their lives for the western world's survival" Lol, are you serious? You think the "survival" of the Western world hinges on America's imperialist wars? Please elaborate...

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 16:42 | 1440177 sgt_doom
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That's Douggie Feith lurking around here today --- please ignore.

Next he'll be claiming that oil from southern Iraq ain't being shipped to China in support of the multinationals' factories and processing plants there, nor that Chinese mining companies are busy in Afghanistan, mining copper for those multinationals' facilities in China, nor that pipelines run across Afghanistan, ending in India and Pakistan to supply those facilities with gas and oil.

Gee, funny how everything always works out in favor of those multinationals.....

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 17:58 | 1440282 sheeple2012
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Couldn't be Douglas Feith, he's gotta be far too busy to post here:

 

"Feith also served on the board of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), a think tank that promotes a military and strategic alliance between the United States and Israel.[18] Feith was one of the eighteen founding members of the organization One Jerusalem to oppose the Oslo peace agreement. Its purpose is "saving a united Jerusalem as the undivided capital of Israel." He is also Director of Foundation for Jewish Studies, which "offers in-depth study programs for the adult Washington Jewish community that cross denominational lines.""

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 21:44 | 1440636 Rick64
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+100

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:40 | 1439943 pods
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If by "risking their lives for the western world's survival" you mean by increasing the debt to stave off default, I would agree with you.  If it means some misguided idea of forcing liberty on the rest of the world, I pity you.

pods

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 16:47 | 1440187 sgt_doom
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Please ignore Douggie Feith, he firmly believes that, thanks to the American government, the fully owned subsidiary of Wall Street, has spread "democracy," when, in point of fact, Sharia Law is now part of the constitutions of both Iraq and Afghanistan, and partly thanks to the American government (and the Pakistani ISI and the Saudis), Sharia law has geometrically expanded in Pakistan.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 21:47 | 1440645 Rick64
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Bbbbut they have free elections and freedom. U.S. gov. doesn't care if the country is run by Satan as long as he plays the game.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 16:57 | 1440201 TomGa
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The Western World is being done in the old fashion way - by immigration and child bearing. Yes it's a lot slower, but it's even more effective.  Just look at the demographics and population growth statistics.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 17:46 | 1440267 Rodent Freikorps
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If the population of a country won't open its own veins fast enough to suit the NWO socialists, then the NWO types will just import a new population.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:10 | 1439870 Solarman
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You do not understand warfare.  Iran imports gasoline.  A quarantine of their shipping, and the destruction of their refineries have them out of business in sixty days.

 

There s  no need to invade them.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:39 | 1439942 ibjamming
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That's why "we own" Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Arabian peninsula.  They're cut off.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 02:23 | 1441032 Vlad Tepid
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I believe that was the exact timeline we gave the Japanese Empire in 1941.  It works a little different when your chess buddy starts to take things personally and begins to shoot back.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 16:28 | 1440152 ElvisDog
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The obvious approach to attacking Iran is simply to destroy their entire oil infrastructure. No need to worry about steep mountains or even boots on the ground. Without oil, Iran grinds to a halt and starves to death. Iran test firing missiles notwithstanding, one of the things the U.S. is great at is aerospace and missle technology. We could easily destroy their oil infrastructure.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 16:48 | 1440192 sgt_doom
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While I despise their form of government, for the same reasons I presently despise America's form of corporate fascist state rule, why would you want to attack them????

Or are you simply dense?

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 20:40 | 1440487 ElvisDog
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I think I'm around 1 gm/cc. My point was that if we were to respond to either an actual attack from Iran or if our government created some sort of WMD or false flag situation, there would be no need for a D-Day style invasion. 21st Century wars are fought economically as much as militarily. Bombing Iran's oil facilities would be more effective and cheaper than a standard military invasion.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 02:26 | 1441034 Vlad Tepid
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And we could have done the same thing in Basra or Sadr City, but it was so much more sporting to 'send in the boys.'  Why would it be different this time?

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 09:45 | 1441193 Urban Redneck
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It doesn't tend to work in practice- one the one hand everyone in the country is inconvenienced and on the other nationalization and radicalization increases.  If it was a winning strategy the embargo, oil-for-food, no-fly-zone would have worked in Iraq, people in North Korea wouldn't be starving, it basically amounts to a "more sanctions on Iran" strategy. 

There is also the issue of oil going through the roof and creating domestic unrest in US- Venezuela might be more colorfully demonstrative, 75% of the electrical capacity comes from a single dam, bomb that and a couple refineries, and the nation is in the dark and immobile in short order with no US boots on the ground.  Chavez isn't overthrown but rather becomes "St. Hugo". US gasoline is over $10 per gallon.   

Brinkmanship and soft warfare definitely have a very significant place, more so than governments (outside of Russia) like to admit, but they are analogous to courtship and foreplay, boots on the ground close the deal.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 22:32 | 1440736 Milestones
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Yupeer, we sure have knocked the shit out of Libya, right?     Milestones

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 22:15 | 1440412 gall batter
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most seem to care little that we are "bogged down forever".  

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:58 | 1439702 A.W.E.S.O.M.-O 4000
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I love how Iran firing missiles is a "provocation" but the United States having 2 aircraft carriers stationed in the straits of Hormuz isn't.

 

Somewhere George Orwell is smiling.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:06 | 1439716 High Plains Drifter
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Do you think it would be a problem if the Iranian navy was floating offshore of Georgia for instance?  We should not even be there. Our navy has outlived its usefulness. What is it for? To destroy other countries?  Who is running our military? Who has always run our military since perhaps the civil war?  People get all pumped up about military crap but this is the way it is in a brainwashed society that worships soldiers and warriors even those these men and women fight for nothing and die for lies. They volunteer for this duty and yet they come home all messed up in the head from mulitple tours of duty in a warzone and then they have the nerve to tell me that they did it all for me to help protect my rights, even though while they are off fighting and dying in some other country, some innocent country mind you, that has never done anything to us, we here, lose whatever rights we have left, all of this of course cloaked in that silly notion of national security. frankly i am sick of it. after ten fucking years of war, it is amazing how many useful idiots are still around, talking about how great our military is, and how we have to go get those evil muslims........i am sick of it already. and after ten years, if soldiers have not figured this stuff out, i simply do not know what to tell them at this point.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:22 | 1439753 A.W.E.S.O.M.-O 4000
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Don't worry. The Soviet Union collapsed because it went broke trying to maintain an empire.

 

The same thing is now happening to the United States. 30 years later, of course, due to the dynamic and efficient nature of capitalism.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:27 | 1439765 High Plains Drifter
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well i think that the soviet union never really collapsed per se. i think it merely morphed into something else which is what the oligarches and the russian mob wanted. they got rid of some parts because it was cheaper to jetison some of these parts than have to continue to take care of them. the lizzard just changed its colors. i mean heck, putin is former KGB. anyone that gets too overly nationalistic in russia ends up dead.......

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:37 | 1439801 nope-1004
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Middle East countries fighting with one another has to do with long held religious beliefs.

USA entering the Middle East and claiming to "police" the world has to do with protecting its own access to oil.

The two are totally exclusive, but get comingled because the US gov't is never up front about its real intentions.  Truly, if Iran / Iraq had no oil, there would be no US involvement.

 

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:19 | 1439896 High Plains Drifter
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have you ever heard the term  greater israel or eratz israel?  that is the term used by zionist to depict their ideas where the true boundaries of the state of israhole should be. in the east, it would be the river eurphrates.  imagine that. we built the largest so-called consulate on the euphrates river?  coincidence?  no, it is not.  what stood in the way of these israeli zionist hopes of having their boundary there?  well we created saddam hussein but like gaddafi he was in the way and was no longer useful, so he was taken out. oil has always been just a little cream on the top of the coffee, so to speak. the wars there have no real purpose as it relates to oil. that is just a false paradigm spread around to the masses to mislead them on the real purposes of war in the middle east. the real reason for war there is that we are being used as mercenaries for the jewish world order that is coming soon and the jews want their boundaries to be just like it was promised in the Book. They use the Bible when it suits their purposes. otherwise they have no use for it. they even used the Bible to build their false history, a history built upon lies yet told as if it were true.  oil if anything is just icing on the cake. the real reason for war in the middle east is and always has been , jewish hegemony in that area, and since their conscripts can only fight women and children , they needed someone to come in and do the heavy lifting for them and guess what? we are it.........

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:48 | 1439969 disabledvet
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no.  but i have debated thoroughly the idea of a greater or "ersatz" New York.  i've had my eye on Burlington, Vt for some time.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 16:17 | 1440136 Rossalgondamer
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IMHO Ethan Allen still makes a nice gun cabinet.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 20:11 | 1440434 HungrySeagull
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I've hauled out of Ethan Allen off the Canada Line/Vermont Border. There is a 18% 3 mile climb out of that goddamn valley.

No wonder the shit is so expensive.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:10 | 1439867 DosZap
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No, Capitalism did not fail, the NWO pigs crushed the working system.

Capitalism has been the WAY business has been conducted sucessfully since the dawn of trading.

Run properly, the US would never have wound up in this shape.

But it has, and by design, not an accident.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 16:52 | 1440195 sgt_doom
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"No, Capitalism did not fail.."

You're confusing "capitalism" with commerce and free enterprise -- two entirely different animals.

Capitalism, specifically predatory capitalism, has always been structured to the monopolization of everything!

And it's never been about any NWO, but the ONE WORLD CORPORATION, catch a clue, dood!

The US economy, dismantled over the past 35 years, has simply been structured as a Ponzi-Tontine scheme, which inevitably fails....

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:33 | 1439781 HungrySeagull
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Let em float off Georgia USA.

I grin and rub my hands with a bit of Joy at the old Cold War games that must have gone on in secret back in the day. Maybe it's time to brush off a few "Tests" and make it happen I am pretty sure shipboard morale will improve greatly in the spirit of competition as to which tests can really rub the Iranians the rough way.

 

My response to such a test would have simply rendered the launch site inoperative. Little Rocket my way, big rocket thier way. Even stevens.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:37 | 1439805 High Plains Drifter
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well why are we there bothering them?  answer that one please.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:45 | 1439812 nope-1004
Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:22 | 1439902 High Plains Drifter
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see above. the oil argument does not wash. sorry. it is much easier to believe the real reason we are in the middle east is oil when the real reason is israhole, isn't it?

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:48 | 1439970 Bay of Pigs
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That oils worth an awful lot of money and political/economic influence. Why not both of the arguments being correct? Zionists/NWO types want it all for themselves don't they?

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 16:46 | 1440185 High Plains Drifter
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one thing is for certain. the oil pipeline to haifa has been reopened and israel is stealing oil now as we type and american troops are guarding it for them, to keep those wascally iraqi insurgents from bothering this flow of oil to the zionist state.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 22:13 | 1440711 Rick64
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 Without oil, industries would crumble. The world has been fighting over this oil since the combustion engine. A majority of industries are reliant on oil. The MIC is reliant on oil. Without it or control over it, life as we know it would dramatically change. BTW I'm not supporting the wars just don't agree that oil isn't the reason. Who is the number one benefactor from these wars? Corporations. Of course there are other benefactors.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 23:16 | 1440797 High Plains Drifter
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number 1 benefactor of these wars: israhole

please read

the new american century

and

a clean break. a new strategy for securing the realm.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1937.htm

oil was and always will be a side issue. kind of limited cutout type information flow to the masses to keep them occupied running down dead end information ratholes.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 00:30 | 1440909 Rick64
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  I have read The New American Century. Without oil, domination isn't possible. The U.S. would be replaced by another country or group of countries that countrolled the oil. Everything is dependent on it. I have never heard of the government using oil as a reason to invade or attack rather its freedom, democracy, threat of terrorism, ect..  Before Israel countries were fighting over control of oil. The control of the monetary systems are just as relevant, but usually go hand in hand with control of resources via puppet regimes, IMF, World Bank, ect..

 I believe Zionists have infiltrated our government and are using this reliance on oil as a means to their causes, but that doesn't diminish the importance of oil.  Even if the U.S. had plenty of oil, this wouldn't guarantee our independence from imports, because we now live in a world economy where the corporations that drill the oil will sell to the highest bidder. This has been happening for a while now.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 15:44 | 1440070 Goldilocks
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Iran is taunting the western world devils with its plasma reactor free energy technology … the oil & the developing nuclear bombs stories are just propaganda.

Listen to this (MP3 interview link below) Iranian scientist living in Belgium discuss the technology as though it were common knowledge … dangerous stuff that free energy tech … could (or rather it will) put oil out of business.

Mehran Keshe - Iran's Flying Saucer & Plasma Reactor Technology
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/06/RIR-110609.php

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/06/RIR-110609-mkeshe.mp3

Mehran Keshe, originally from Iran, joins us from Belgium to discuss his development of plasma reactor technology and Iran's flying saucer. The technology Mehran has developed has multiple applications, such as space flight, anti-gravity, energy-generating and medical. He is the author of "The Universal Order of Creation of Matters" and "The Structure of the Light". He formed the "International Space Institute" with the assertion that commercial space flight will be made available to the general public in the near future. This includes a "Moon trip program", currently scheduled for 2016-2017 and eventually travels to Mars. Iran as the first government in the world has showed interest in Mehran's technology and we discuss the initiation and current status of Iran's flying saucer project. In 2005 Keshe filed two patents with the European Patent Office for a "Micro plasma reactor" and a "Gravitational and energy system". Mehran Keshe was born In Iran in 1958, he is the son to an X-ray engineer, he moved to Europe in the mid-seventies for further education in the field of nuclear physics. In 81 he graduated from Queen Mary College, University of London, as a nuclear engineer specialized in reactor technology system control. Since 2002 he has concentrated his effort to finish the full design of his technology for launch into the scientific world and industry. He also claims that at the end of 2005 and beginning of 2006 several static plasma reactors have been built. Since the beginning of 2006 several prototypes of dynamic reactors have been built, some specifically designed to create hovering effects. Topics discussed: magnetic fields, Plasma, the beginning of the technology development, radiation, plasma magnetic field, weapon technology, Iran's flying saucer and more.

Ps. Some of the latest interviews from redicecreations.com/radio are quite interesting also.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 16:53 | 1440198 sgt_doom
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And please don't forget their second largest resource, radium.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:07 | 1439861 DosZap
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Sadly, if we didn't, guess who would..............

The same SOB's that did not want the sanctions block  against Iraq,but ignored them and did it behind the worlds back, at the expense of everyone else.

China & Russia..............the French would not, as they love us.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:19 | 1439599 jomama
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war is just what we need to get ourselves out of this depression!

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:27 | 1439618 Vic Vinegar
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History ryhmes, spacemonkeys.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:29 | 1439630 silvertrain
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You mean A Bigger war..We already have a half a dozen or so going on that hasnt helped any..

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 18:32 | 1440314 JW n FL
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we have fronts in..

 

Libya.

Pakistan.

Afghanistan.

Iraq.

Syria. (secretly, shhhhh)

add other secret, off book and / or clandestine action here ________.

and really the whole Arabian Peninsula.

 

What we need to do.. is connect the dots.. a NEW WORLD WAR! will take that broken window economic theory and put it to good use!

 

WOOOOOHOOOOOOO!!! can you say military manufacturing jobs for everyone!

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:31 | 1439634 Vic Vinegar
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BTW, no one can leave Zero Hedge because it's the greatest website in the world with the best commenters.  

In the meantime I'll be on SeekingAlpha for stock tips.  Shit man, REITs look like a good play still. 

Have fun with your WWIII

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzU1DV6LtWE

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:41 | 1439660 Cassandra Syndrome
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My nemesis has a term for this insanity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Keynesianism

 

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:47 | 1439673 Vic Vinegar
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My muse says all my rowdy friends have settled on down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD9ozx1-oT0

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:34 | 1439794 Lord Welligton
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You have a nemesis?

If I give your mother the wool could she knit me one as well?

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:25 | 1439914 Vic Vinegar
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I love you dude.  Thanks for kicking it here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1wg1DNHbNU

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:47 | 1439964 Lord Welligton
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:)

David Bryne, without doubt one of the smartest men of his generation and maybe more.

This seems appropriate to the thread title.

"Life During Wartime"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5yJZUyr_cM&feature=fvst

 

 

 

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 15:13 | 1440015 Vic Vinegar
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+

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 18:36 | 1440320 JW n FL
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++

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 20:53 | 1440489 Lord Welligton
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Perhaps we all get to Heaven one day.

In the meantime we are left with the corruption of Republic by Democracy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zNdMc6wGtU&feature=related

 

 

 

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 16:56 | 1440202 sgt_doom
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I trust you're being facetious, right?  America is presently involved in at least 5 wars, and the monies are flowing to China, India, etc., to profit from those wars.

Nothing made here, buster....

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 17:53 | 1440276 Rodent Freikorps
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I'm always amazed at the number of folks who think war equals profits for a nation. That is bughouse nuts.

Being the supplier to nations at war is where the profits are.

War is pretty damned expensive, unless you keep the lands you conquer.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:22 | 1439605 john39
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they are wise to send the message that they can defend themselves.  The banker cult/zionists will not be satisfied until they have lured the U.S. into yet another war to destroy a muslim nation that the the state of isreal perceives as a potential threat.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:38 | 1439651 RichardP
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They have only sent the message that they can fire rockets.  Whether they will prove effective as a defense has yet to be proven.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:11 | 1439871 FeralSerf
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Management of Perceptions is what counts.  When the rockets start flying, it begins to get expensive and someone could get hurt.  That's a sure sign of failure of the Propaganda Campaign.  Eddie (Bernays) will not be amused.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:38 | 1439652 sheeple2012
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It wont be long now before Commander-in-Chief Netanyahu orders U.S. air strikes on Iran...emboldened by his 56 standing ovations Capitol Hill gig

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:23 | 1439758 Max Hunter
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The real question is does Bibi need to get permission from the Knesset before ordering the U.S. to attack Iran?

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:29 | 1439771 A.W.E.S.O.M.-O 4000
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Noam Chomsky has some interesting commentary on the matter. Isreal is just another in a long line of States that the US has used to do its bidding. Once she outlives her usefulness or becomes a liability she'll be dumped on the trash heap of history like all the rest.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:39 | 1439806 High Plains Drifter
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dear old zionist door keeper noam, has it turned around . it is the other way around on that statement and he knows it.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:42 | 1439814 Max Hunter
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Hard to say who's wagging the dog for sure.. I can say, that US unconditional support (and protection) for Israel is not for the greater good of this (US) nation. Period!

I do, however, completely agree with your comment in that the US is more than happy to have a country in the ME it needs to "protect" or "defend".. But.. I'm not so sure this protection would end in a moments notice..

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 19:28 | 1440373 Incubus
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It's symbiosis, really:

 

The Military needs conflict to exist in order justify their industry's existence, and holy nutcases in the middle east are more than happy to create that conflict. 

 

I'm sure some obscure think tank decided decades ago that religious nuts were the best kind of nuts to fuck with:  they war for thousands of years, and who in the military industry wouldn't want perpetual war? Peace means a reduction in budget: that means your corporate military buddies can't afford as many high class-hoes and expensive cars. Peace is possible with a forced realignment of perspective and an establishment of certain boundaries of "thou shall not be a big-ass-fucking-douche and profit from war and conflict."

Take out the monetary incentives and "spoils" of war, and none of us would or could find a reason to fight. 

 

People need to be fucking forced to think properly.  The entire thought process of the capitalistic society is warped and needs to re-aligned. 

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:27 | 1439762 Rodent Freikorps
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What do you suppose has stayed his hand so far?

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:35 | 1439793 HungrySeagull
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He aint got the balls. And first we need to wipe the cobwebs of active air defenses away first. If we can find and snip those Cables that tie them securely together.

 

It is easier to make thier navy go away and let the Oil rigs go.

The Loss of the Deepwater Horizion hurts us because this was the one rig capable of replacing and supporting the loss of the Oil such a hot shooting war in Iran would have made. I guess we keep on drilling.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:42 | 1439813 High Plains Drifter
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sir, we have more oil than we could ever use in 200 years here in the lower 48. i don't care about what the iranians are doing .it is their business. i want to leave them alone. one thing ron paul as said that is true. we should talk to people instead of fighting them. makes sense to me. of course nobody makes money when peace breaks out. that is why john lennon was taken out.........he was dangerous to war.........

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:11 | 1439864 Rynak
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Actually, people can "make money" when they respect each others autonomy, and trade for mutual benefit. They actually in the longterm make MORE money..... BUT in the shortterm it will be less, plus it is so much more easy cover additional parasitary deals behind a war (like i.e., letting a certain class pay for the war, while a handful of selected people and corporations reap the spoils).

It's not a matter of overall longterm profit. It's about shortterm selective ripoff. THAT is what current global culture is based on: Shortterm parasitism, that involves shortterm benefits for a few, and the expense of longterm benefits for the majority. What everyone who makes this bet hopes, is that "You'll be gone, i'll be gone"... so, that the longterm consequences will not hit them, or that they're dead already.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:12 | 1439876 Max Hunter
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Not really Rynak.. It has more to do with WHO benefits.. time frames aren't as relevant as you are making them out to be.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 16:40 | 1439974 Rynak
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Oh yes, the timeframes do matter..... for the simple reason that when you exploit someone to such a degree, that he cannot sustain himself, you get more in a short timespan, but in the long run ruin your supply.

Or in short: Greed.

When two entities interact for mutual benefit, they usually do this in a way that ensures both's survival and health (hence, mutualistic)... when one entity instead rips off another, he does not care about the others survival and health... hence, he gets more in the shortterm, yet ruins sustainability in the long run.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 16:59 | 1440209 Max Hunter
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The military industrial complex along with the financiers have been getting richer and richer for the past 100 years. There may be periods of exaggerated profits and growth but again, it's the WHO that's important..

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 20:35 | 1440435 Rynak
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Oh, what a small field of view you have - if it weren't for that small FOV, no one could believe in the premises of egoism and altruism.

No. It is always about "who" in which "timespan" and "space".

Who pays the military complex? The supposed spoils of the war, are expected to benefit the aggressor nation, which then is supposed to pay the military complex. This can only be benefical, if A) the expenses of the war are lower than the spoils, and in addition to this one of the following two things are true:

B) It in the long run pays off more, than simply mutualistically trading with those other nations.

C) The military complex can repeat the game over and over, by having an endless pool of hosts to attack and rip off.

If A) isn't true, or neither B) nor C), then it cannot be benefical. In the case of the USA, it appears neither A) nor B) nor C) are the case. However, another option may be true:

D) Specific persons in the military complex, are capable of escaping longterm consequences.... by leaving it before this idiocy stops working, while keeping their wealth.

 

Whenever you think that altruism is actually benefical to the egoist - whenever you think parasitism is more advantageus than mutualism, chances are that either your FOV is too narrow, or the egoist has a way to avoid consequences aka "no longer being there when things go full circle".

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:16 | 1439882 FeralSerf
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War is an effective method to get the proles' noses to the proverbial grindstone.  Then Banff becomes much more pleasant and uncrowded.  This may be a "profit" that you have not considered.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:26 | 1439918 High Plains Drifter
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this business of passing it along to the next generation is done now. the bill is coming due. fiat regimes never last more than 100 years. they then collapse. this one started in 1913. so we are near 2013, no?  the bill is coming due in this generation for all those years we have refused to do due diligence and be good citizens. freedom is not free. it can be taken away very easily. either something is done and done very quickly or the young people that read all of this , can forget it. it is like i said the other day in another thread. it was my world. now it is yours.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:22 | 1439611 nah
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we should give a contract to israel to produce purple heart medals... they worked hard for it, even given freedom to enough land to build a factory to produce the god damned things

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:33 | 1439787 A.W.E.S.O.M.-O 4000
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I don't think we need to. I heard that they are still giving out Purple Hearts left over from WWII. It seems they thought there were going to be about 2 million casualties in the invasion of Japan planned for that November 1945 so they made millions of them.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:38 | 1439802 HungrySeagull
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There is a large stack of PH's left over from that WW2 effort. Operation Olymic against Japan would have involved 1.45 million active duty and required literally a National effort to put them through.

 

Those two Atomic strikes which we were crazy enough to execute saved many lives on both sides.

I believe our armory still has some old weapons from the 30's and 40's ready to go with a bit of field strip and wipe off the protective chemicals.

 

Today, we might be able to call up 18 million fighting age boys and girls and half will not do it and the other half require a year of training to be deployed as green replacements. We dont have the birthrate to support a major multi year war.

China had 2 million active duty at a moment's notice from time to time for her domestic problems with nature disasters.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:46 | 1439818 High Plains Drifter
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the atomic bomb attacks on japan were totally unwarranted and without excuse and were war crimes. the american general staff was very much against doing this. the japapese wanted to surrender. i mean, heck, after midway the war  against japan was for all intents and purposes over. japan was a smale sea faring nation. without a navy she was nothing. the bombs were dropped because some certain individuals wanted to see what they did to human beings. .......it was a test ........it was not needed....it was a war crime against humanity. yet we are the good guys?  right?

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:09 | 1439858 HungrySeagull
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As the Germans would have done onto us if thier heavy water ops were not interdicted. The Japanese already knew that they cannot invade against the USA because so many guns behind every tree/bush (War Admiral just prior to Pearl Harbor planning)

The Japanese People were very much part of war as our own.

The US Government made it happened and warned that Japan must suffer more of the same should She not surrender.

We not only rebuilt Japan, but now enjoy it's support in many ways.

 

Wars come and go. History remains to those who wish to learn from it.

 

1945 was not the time for namby pamby political correct bullshit. If they were to look upon us in 2011 they would jeer and laugh us to shame. (And they should)

 

Also while you are busy blasting the United States for the so called crimes of humanity with the Japan strikes, are you not preparing also for the nuclear attacks from Individuals and groups who have gleaming eyes while breeding 12 year old girls like puppy mills in the hopes of bringing even the United States to it's Knees?

There are a stock of Cold War era books which clinically outlay what one must do in the old Civil Defence 30 years ago. Back in the day where we lived between Heaven and Hell, delivered by Missile/ 30 minutes or less gauranteed.

Open your eyes son. You may yet save your family a while.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:14 | 1439880 Max Hunter
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You, Sir, are an idiot.. Please.. turn off FOX news.. just for a second.. take a deep breath.. you are being controlled.. try to figure that out.. your family will thank you if you are able to do it in time..

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 10:18 | 1441216 Urban Redneck
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You are trying to control him.  You are also calling him names and trying to discredit his viewpoint without any knowledge of where it is actually sourced from. 

Is it because you cannot accept any viewpoint other than than your own, or are you acting as an agent of some power you would probably claim to despise?

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:31 | 1439927 High Plains Drifter
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sir, you cannot get true history out of a government school textbook. do some research and then come back and talk to me about it. i am here to tell you that the american general staff, including eishenhower were very deadset against dropping any atomic bombs on anyone. they pleaded with certain parties (unknown, harde har har har) that the japanese wanted to surrender and there was no need for this. but certain parties (harde har har har har) wanted to drop it on human beings to see what it would do?  do you think there are some racial and tribal implications of this event? yes there was. but i leave that to you , to go and dig up. i refuse to spoon feed people who refuse to admit outside the box possibilities.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 15:03 | 1439993 HungrySeagull
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And yet our own kids are being taught even more watered down versions of textbook learning? Our own books and Scout manuals are now considered extremist.

Hah. What is history?

You tell me.

Oh, our own highway system is a product of war. The Beltway was provided around cities to ensure that after the place is reduced to glowing rubble you can still get transport in and out.

Our entire nation is a product of war. No more, no less.

 

Your knowledge and my thoughts will endure long after you and I are dead for our children to feud over for as long there is still a machine capable of understanding the language of the soon to be obselete internet.

Our General Staff only has a few books and some reports/memos to detail thier experiences. Some of which may or may not be declassified for years to come.

It has taken decades between events when I was young such as the Attempt to invade and rescue hostage in Iran and it's failure to the eventual understanding of everything published in any media easily accessible today to anyone who care to learn about it.

 

The Library is still revelant. Just takes a little longer to remember or relearn information once thought useless in today's war.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 16:58 | 1440206 High Plains Drifter
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personally i think the older the book, the more reliable it is. the trouble is, though that this old world as we have known it, will not continue on as it has in past generations. this is the end of the line. it is now put up time or shut up time. there is not more messing around about it. either we have to stand up, or it is over. as each day passes, it becomes more and more difficult to accomplish a gargantuan task, one that involves taking back a nation that has been stolen right before our very eyes. and believe me. the enemy inside the gates will pull out all the stops. they have dreamed of world goverment since the days of king solomon.

if you get a chance, be sure and take a look at a book written by a man named Israel Shahak....called Jewish History, Jewish Religion, the Weight of 3000 Years....

he was a atheist and he didn't care about the religious ramifications of modern day israel......

our war is tribal. because our enemy is tribal. our war is racial because our enemy is racial. our war is pyschological because our enemy uses brainwashing. our war will be with each other(at least at first) because our enemy finds those who will do anything for money no matter what. the octopus has its tentacles in every facit of our lives. each of these tentacles must be destroyed. this will not be easy. nor will it be painless. i say that the cost will be very, very high, because i think conservatively about it. at the very least, it will not be pretty. the beast will not go quietly into the night and will fight on til its last breath. but on that same token, there are many out here, that will be the same way , in that day.........

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 20:15 | 1440440 HungrySeagull
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You are correct.

I confess to being a bit of a bookworm myself.

I am still plowing through Bretton Woods trying to get spooled up to speed and think how best to see the future.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 23:34 | 1440820 High Plains Drifter
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our leadership failed. as they failed during the early 1900's wilson promised us no war before he got elected, then took us to war based upon lies. roosevelt did the same thing. we had no part in these wars. roosevelt knew that the japanese navy was coming to attack us at pearl harbor and yet he made the navy admirals park all of the ships in nice little rows so they would be easy targets. any american sailors that were killed were considered collatoral damage. he wanted war because his banker handlers wanted war. we goaded the japanese into this war by fucking with them about their commody needs etc. they are a island nation. they have no natural resources. this is why, after the war, they went whole hog into nuclear technology , despite its danger, because they wanted energy independence. now , we know that was a big mistake. a mistake founded upon japanese traits of revenge. revenge for what we unnecessarily did to them in 1945. ron paul says we should talk to people instead of fighting them. i find this a excellent idea. why not?  war is hell and war is inhumane. men were not created to go around killing each other. but sometimes such things are necessary when the tree of liberty must be rewatered. so it is now necessary. here. inside this land. so now we play the long suffering waiting game as the enemy gets stronger and we get weaker and we bitch and we complain and the american street?  it is silent except for gunfire in the purposely drug infested ghettos of this land where men kill each other over nothing. such is life in this land. what is needed here is a enormous push and a enormous effort. but in this land, we are a nation of distractions and entertainment and as long as the american belly is full of junk food and as long as he is distracted by radio stations that say nothing of importance all day long, and play stupid crappy music all day long, as it has been for two or more generations, i see nothing happening here yet. the people of this land are happy with the shekels they receive from this illegal and immoral government full of liars and traitors and yet people like me, we are told we are crazy, and we are shunned by our own families for daring to say such things. oh how i long for the sweet cup of liberty and i wish to drink from it before i die.......God willing.....

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 02:23 | 1441031 HungrySeagull
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Yes, the Shunning.

That has happend already within my own family.

 

Cheers. And good luck!

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 14:24 | 1439907 FeralSerf
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Ah, but what about Harry Stimson's ego gratification --  not to mention the show for Stalin?  Wasn't that worth a quarter million civilian lives in an already defeated Japan?

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 10:11 | 1441208 Urban Redneck
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"the japapese wanted to surrender. i mean, heck, after midway the war  against japan was for all intents and purposes over. japan was a smale sea faring nation. without a navy she was nothing"

 

The Japanese had from June 1942 at the conclusion of the Battle of Midway until August 1945 to surrender, if they wanted to.  They didn't surrender. 

Japan was not just a "small sea faring nation" after conquering Manchurian China, Indochina, Korea, the Philipines, and the East Indies, in fact after the battle of Midway Japan still had the manufacturing capacity and the oil access to completely rebuild its navy if left undisturbed. 

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:27 | 1439617 JW n FL
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Stir the pot! the Sheepeople are going to need something to fixate on instead of how they are being robbed blind by the Lobby Whores!

 

Considering Baby Bush already hit Social Security up for the $2.5 trillion and Obama is directly using the funds collected from Social Security to pay for the ongoing dog and pony show...

 

50,000 jobs a month for a Decade! with Tax Incentives for the Corporations to move those jobs out of America..

 

Who voted to undermine the Tax Base?

Who Voted to undermine the Manufacturing Job Base?

Who Voted for this shit? anyone? do "We the People" have any representation in Washington?

 

How about this.. someone tell me what anyone in Washington is doing right.

 

Is anyone Voting for this Dog and Pony show of our kids going off to another war to keep the Sheepeople entertained while the Government Robs the Sheepeople even more?

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 17:11 | 1440222 sgt_doom
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A brief history lesson:

It's 1911, do you know where your activists are?

President Wilson preemptively arrested a bunch of activists, best known among them was Eugene V. Debs, the fiery socialist orator, presidential candidate and advocate for the working people.

Wilson would later jail Mr. Debs under the Espionage Act.
 
It's 2011, do you know where your activists are?

President Obama has preemptively arrested a bunch of activists, and has prosecuted at least five individuals under the Espionage Act.
President Obama has also now gone after more whistleblowers than all previous presidents combined.

His FBI director, Robert Mueller, has dispatched agents with SWAT teams to break down doors and confiscate the property of real American citizen-heroes.

Does anyone really believe it to be a coincidence that the FBI Director Mueller's great uncle was Richard Bissell, the head of the CIA's Directorate of Plans who was fired by President John F. Kennedy, who was later murdered in Dallas?

Other countries also preemptively arrest activists: Bahrain, Syria, China, Russia.

[The Obama administration, working silently with the republicons, have gotten legislation passed in the House severely demolishing small business in the future.  This legislation awards precedence in small business loans to those applicants who have already been invested in by private equity firms, hedge fund and venture capital funds, thus effectively destroying opportunity for small independent business ventures.

The Obama administration, working silently with the republicons, has subtly attacked Social Security by altering its revenue stream (FICA).  At best, Obama is the obedient puppet of Wall Street.  At worst, he's simply another neocon --- just like the Clintons --- in democrat's clothing.]

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 18:40 | 1440324 JW n FL
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how about some links so I can catch up? pretty please?? Thanks!

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 09:15 | 1441162 High Plains Drifter
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its just like carlin said , they are coming for the SS and they are going to get it too. all of it. they want complete power and control over these golf playing morons. yet many in this land trust this government, they trust in the system, they love a life inside of their own bubbles, cocoons that they themselves are allowed by the state, to create, because it is in the best interest of the state, to have these fools, distracted by all of the sily nonsense going on inside of their worthless lives. americans will be lead to the camps and even then won't know  what is happening to them, nor will they , even then, listen to any words of wisdom spoken on the matter. it is simply amazing how the brainwashing has been done and so much damage has been done. simply amazing.....its no big deal to me to see this stuff and to talk about it. but for so many, they cannot see it, nor can they discuss it rationally.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:29 | 1439629 I_ate_the_crow
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Iran's IRNA news agency reported.......Yawn

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:42 | 1439663 High Plains Drifter
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no worse than stratfor. information is fed to the sheep to invoke reactions and to brain wash.....

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 12:30 | 1439631 ISEEIT
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Have you ever wondered: Why would obamma be so clearly uninterested in the long term health of American society? Why does he appear so distracted/annoyed/bored? It has truly been one big party for he and his regime for the last several years. They have acted like it just doesn't really matter anymore, so let's party.

Budget rejected 97-0 in the Senate. Nakedly nothing but a politician looking to maintain power AKA Chavez, Hitler, Mossulini, Caligula, Castro, Lenin, Putin.

The elite grow more bold daily.

War is obammas trump card and the puppet state of Iran is playing the game according to the rules.

What is missing is the explanation of why.

Consolidation Mutherfuckers. That is why.

They consider the world to be THEIR oyster.

Somethings never change.

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:22 | 1439755 JW n FL
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I will ask you again..

 

Which Lobby Whore do you want everyone to vote for?

 

Who do you think is different from Lil Bush Part Deux in Technicolor?

Sat, 07/09/2011 - 13:46 | 1439819 ISEEIT
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Whoever the fuck they put the most effort into convincing you not to vote for. It should not be that damn complicated! If the machine tells you to look left, look right.

WTF?

Ron Paul.

Sarah Palin.

Michelle Bachmann.

It's that or expect that doing what you have always done will 'magically' produce a different outcome.

Take the red pill. Stop being so predicable. They only control you because you allow it. WE are complicit right up until we are not anymore.

 

 

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