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Iranian Ships Prepare To Set Sail For Gaza Strip

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Even as the UN is formalizing its response to Iran, the Persian Gulf country is preparing to set sail three ships with aid for the Gaza Strip, AFP reported earlier and was cited by the Jerusalem Post. The ships are only awaiting for final permission from the Iranian Foreign Ministry, without regard for Israel's potential retaliation should Iranian ships approach Israel territorial waters. And with over 100,000 Iranians having volunteered to sail onboard, this will unlikely be diffused with mere diplomacy. At least some of the escalation rhetoric this weekend was slightly moderated after Haaretz refuted an earlier report by the Times of London that Saudi Arabia has opened up an air corridor for an Israel strike is false: "Prince Mohammed bin Nawaf, the Saudi envoy to the U.K. speaking to the London-based Arab daily Asharq al-Awsat, denied that report, saying such a move "would be against the policy adopted and followed by the Kingdom." As for the Iranian overture, the piece de resistance is that Iran will also send a plane to Egypt, carrying 30 tons of medical aid, and forcing the involvement of even more third party actors who would certainly prefer to be impartial in this very unstable time. Once again, Gulf (the other Gulf) tensions are escalating, and there seems nothing on the horizon to set anyone's mind at ease. But somehow headlines about the return of the global recovery are once again making the rounds.

From the Jerusalem Post:

The Iranian Red Crescent has equipped and loaded two ships with aid, and is waiting for permission from the Iranian Foreign Ministry to set sail for Gaza, AFP reported on Sunday. A third ship is planned for next week.

An Iranian Red Crescent official, Mojtaba Majd,  was quoted as saying that over 100,000 Iranians have volunteered to sail on the ships. He said that the problems involved may prevent Iran from sending volunteers, however "the important issue is that the people of Gaza know that more than 100,000 Iranians are ready to come to their help."

One of the ships, which is carrying food and medicine is expected to leave this week.  The Red Crescent has promised to send two ships by Friday and a third next week.

A plane is also planned to fly to Egypt carrying 30 tons of medical aid.

The Iranian decision to send ships to Gaza, follows the international outrage over the Israeli commando raid on the Turkish ship, the Mavi Marmara, which was part of a flotilla seeking to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza.

An Iranian Red Crescent ship was sent to Gaza during 'Operation Cast Lead' but was turned back by Israeli warships.

Elsewhere, Israel appears also very close to worsening its diplomatic relationship with long-term ally Germany, after NPR reported that an alleged Israel spy believed to be related to a Hamas leader killing in Dubai earlier this year, using the name Uri Brodsky, has been arrested in Poland.  "Brodsky was arrested in early June upon his arrival in Poland because
of a European arrest warrant issued by Germany which is now seeking his
extradition, the spokesman said, declining to be named in line with
department policy."

The German news weekly Der Spiegel reported that the arrest in Poland already has led to some diplomatic friction. The Israeli Embassy has urged Polish authorities not to extradite Brodsky, the magazine reports in its issue to be published Monday.

Germany's Foreign Ministry had no comment on the case and referred to an ongoing judicial investigation by the federal prosecutor's office. The country's top investigating unit deals with all cases affecting internal or external security, including terrorism or espionage.

After a German passport was used by a person linked to the Dubai slaying, the prosecutor's office in February started investigating a possible connection to a foreign intelligence agency.

Authorities in the western city of Cologne had issued a passport to a man named Michael Bodenheimer. A man using that name was among the assassins who killed the Hamas operative, according to Dubai police.

In February, German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle urged a thorough investigation and said German authorities would do everything possible to support their counterparts in the UAE.

If Brodsky's extradition goes through, however, it could put the government in Berlin — a staunch Israeli ally — in a difficult diplomatic position.

 

 


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Sun, 06/13/2010 - 23:27 | Link to Comment Citizen of an I...
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Prepare to be stopped and boarded.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 01:51 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Dedicated to you.

 

january 1rst

2009

3 a.m.

swine flu

flooded

fruitvale bart

& cracked open the levees of an epidemic

we have been fearing

since before

the sickness made Kings perish into the nothingness that is past.

as we carry their bodies

wrapped

in body bags

strapped with the heat of a thousand suns

see we don’t want the sickness

cuhs these pigs are far more deadly than any swine

holding my breath each time I stroll across police stations

cover my ears

at the sudden sound

of sirens

see their songs

suckle on society like the stained lips

of rape children to their wavering mothers breast

we nurture them despite the fact that we see a shadow of our attackers face in theirs

as if the cure is unattainable

we continue to take and take

allow these nothing more than common people to bear the flesh of the gods on their simple bones

packing heartbeats in their clips

see this isn’t on no overreacting liberal kid spitting left politics bullshit

this is us giving a Grant

to the policeman who had Oscar

execution style on his knees.

you tube videos blaze from my monitor

making corpses resurrect from shallow graves

see Oscar Grant relives his death with each viewing,

as i watched his back crack as if Gaza was in its arch

& all I could remember was a photograph

i came across for the first time in high school

of a Vietnamese man crouched on his knees like a beaten dragon surrendering to mortals

It took all the way until my senior year in high school for me to learn about Hiroshima and Nagasaki

& that they are not just one of the easier genocides to talk about.

For 12 grades of my education each year the only massacre we were ever in depthly introduced to was the holocaust

Because in WW2 the U.S. fought against Germany and Japan

& in order to show the sinister ways of our adversaries

we brought one massacre to the light

& went on to crumble the disintegration of Japanese citizens into the dust we have swept under our patriotic rugs

not realizing that the U.S.A & Germany were only looking at a distorted reflection of each other

We continue to teach our children

To be U.S. Citizens before they are human beings.

Only mourn your people and their allies but disregard the flesh that lies on an enemies bones, see these borders are brainwashing

But the 2nd time I saw this photograph it broke me out of the trance

Because the artist Bansky’s spray can had revolutionized it

to depict

the same man still as a beaten dragon

but no pistol to skull

instead a bouquet of graffiti encrusted roses emerging from

his assassin’s hand

a portrait worthy of bringing new life from ash

recreated insanity into humanity

& I have strived to do the same for Oscar Grant with this very poem

Because we are the artists of the movement,

are trying so hard to bring lost souls back to life,

trying so hard to reshape history

With our paint stained fingertips

But I have learnt to start working on right now

& so I will use these graff battered roses

& place them on the grave of the rape fetus

our society finally decided to abort

because we are DONE, nurturing the genes of our oppressors

will mold together each struggle I have come to know

Find Palestine in every foreign

Counterpart working class back bent 9 to 5 barefooted barely making ends meet

Fight

See this is the only way peace can prevail

When the good do something

To stop evil.

From Oscar Grant to Hara Tamiki

THERE IS NO SHORTER WAY HOME.

& Once we realize are pain is universal that is when we can bring the orbit of divinity back to our world

So our globe no longer has to rest on an axis of evil.

Let the voice of our deceased demi-gods rumble through our vocal chords

MY NAME IS OSCAR GRANT, DON’T SHOOT

MY NAME IS HARA TAMIKI , LET ME DIE

MY NAME IS MARTIN LUTHER, IMMORTALIZE MY KINGDOM

MY NAME IS CHE GUEVARA, PATRIA OMUERTE

MY NAME IS ANNE FRANK, LIVE THROUGH MY WORDS

MY NAME IS EDWARD SAIID, TAKE ME HOME

MY LAST NAME IS RAMADAN

& I am starving for your humanity.

 

-- Hadeel Ramadan, San Francisco, California

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 04:27 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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very very interesting.  thanks.  reminded me a bit of j. lennon's imagine.  if one's nation's strategy is to win hearts and minds and actually prevail through democratic elections (!), ramadan's and lennon's perspectives are far more geostrategically practical than those of the chickenhawks.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 09:22 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Count me among your geostrategically impractical chickenhawks then.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 02:37 | Link to Comment Popo
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Stopping and boarding boats in international waters, has yielded lots and lots of smuggled weapons... Hell yeah, board and search.  Better yet, warn and torpedo.

Remember the Karine-A!
Remember the MV Francop!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karine_A_Affair

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francop_Affair

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 02:44 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Remember the USS Liberty:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Remember Jason Pollard and Ben-ami Kadish, who spied for Israel and stole critical American military and government secrets.

With friends like that, who needs a hole in their head?

Occupation 101:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SbjAanvUqs&feature=related

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 02:57 | Link to Comment Popo
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You do realize that the USS Liberty radio recordings have been released now, right?  The issue has been put to rest (it even says so in the Wikipedia entry), but jackasses like you keep the propaganda machine rolling.  Will you be trotting out the "protocols" in your next post?

You're a mouth breather Chumba.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 03:35 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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And you're a traitorous whore.

What will the radio recordings prove or disprove that isn't already known?  We've seen enough of Israel's treachery to know the truth.

Do you also defend melanoma and other cancers with such zeal?

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 09:01 | Link to Comment Citizen of an I...
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Ah yes, the Jooooos are cancers, right?

They're rats too, right? 

They're Eternal, even.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 10:33 | Link to Comment fsudirectory
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Man, I didnt know being a Jew I could live forever.

Thanks for the heads up, never learned that in Hebrew school.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 10:40 | Link to Comment pan-the-ist
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Are you not a religious Jew? I think that is what confuses us goy.  Jew status is religious, yet Jews seems to use it as both religious and ethnic, so one could be an Atheist Jew, which doesn't really make sense to Christians.  Care to elaborate?  Maybe you could help clear up my confusion.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 03:45 | Link to Comment jomama
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i can't stand israel.  and i loathe zionists.  once upon a time, i sympathized with israel.  until i educated myself and saw through bias of both sides the whole story from the Balfour declaration to the occupation of palestine and now the world's largest, most modern concentration camp.  while i do not condone iran's actions like these, i can understand how everyone in the region has come to despise israel, with her constantly expanding her borders, patrolling these borders, harassing innocent people, and taking prisoners to secret dungeons.  i believe that israel is terrosist state #1, they don't declare their nukes, and are in violation of more UN resolutions than all other countries combined.  it amazes me to see apologists strutting around acting like their behavior is justified.  just my 2¢

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 04:51 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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and, again, it's not just israel's bad behavior.  it's the utterly one-sided, deeply, deeply impractical stance the u.s. and its absurd "objective" msm have taken for over sixty years, not to mention the billions and billions in treasure spent and destroyed by the u.s. and the thousands and thousands of lives lost and taken by the u.s. in the vain quest to force the muslim world to take israel's punishment without complaint.

one must count iraq, a vanity war started by zionists (not for oil), and for that matter 9-11 and afghanistan.  all should be laid at israel's feet and those of its likudnik/settler supporters in the u.s.  when does it stop and a new paradigm get tried?  because this one certainly isn't working and the u.s. is running out of money.  motive was exhausted after the yom kippur war and the oil embargo if not the suez incident in 1956.  oh that truman had heeded general marshall.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 04:57 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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It ends when you spread the word of Israel's evil to friends and relatives and educate them about how they are lied to on a constant basis, and how Israeli propaganda is free to inhabit our airwaves so that we are fed a constant stream of bullshit and kept stupid so that Israel can go on committing its crimes with impunity while we (Americans) suffer the consequences.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 06:25 | Link to Comment Bringin It
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Very well said.  Courageous as usual.

 

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 07:58 | Link to Comment Popo
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Ok, Billy Bob.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 08:21 | Link to Comment bonddude
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Enough with this shit !

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 08:34 | Link to Comment SWRichmond
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Do you guys wanna know what I think is going to happen, big picture?  Germany is going to release its collective guilt and start acting like an independent nation again.  Those rumblings have already started.   We can see them.  The rest of the world will shout "Holocaust!  Holocaust!" and try to shame Germany back into submission.  It won't work.

Something similar is happening in the U.S.  Genuine small-government fiscal conservatives are shaking off their collective guilt, which had been inculcated by generations of public school indoctrination.  The reaction of the propaganda machine, called "mass media", has been predictable: "Racists!  Racists!". 

We here at ZH know that the real financial crisis hasn't even started yet.  As it unfolds, people will be forced to choose either making decisions based on facts or being controlled by shame, whether real or externally induced.  Critical self-evaluation is one thing.  Being controlled by talking heads, pundits and others' supposed "opinions" is another.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 09:30 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Yawn

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 06:23 | Link to Comment Bringin It
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Popo's comparison of the napalm attack on the USS Liberty to the Protocols of Zion is stunning. 

Neither of these need further discussion. 

Popo says so.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 06:01 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Apologies, stealing the top of the thread here, but you all must find this interesting.

Veeeery veeeery interesting.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100614/ap_on_bi_ge/us_drones_over_america

This is how it comes, stealthily.

Something wicked this way come.

Hush baby, it's for our good.

Really, they told me so.

On TV.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 20:01 | Link to Comment Big Red
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I Have  seen a UAV overhead, late summer last year.

Perhaps in relation to Camp David or the Underground Pentagon, or perhaps they are tested/outfitted at HGR airport (interesting work done there on surveillance aircraft I understand).

I did search for its profile so I could identify the manufacturer/type, but wasn't able to, but I well remember that profile. If someone has a link to UAV profiles/silhouettes, please post. 

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 09:02 | Link to Comment Jacob Dreizin
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Kyrgyz Crisis Tops Russian Headlines for Days; Rest of World Couldn't Care Less.......http://russianscoop.blogspot.com/2010/06/kyrgyz-crisis-tops-russian-headlines.html

Sun, 06/13/2010 - 23:31 | Link to Comment ColonelCooper
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I really don't see anything to worry about.  What's the worst that could happen?

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:22 | Link to Comment Pedro
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Well, for one, it could interrupt World Cup play.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:41 | Link to Comment John McCloy
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  One thing we know for sure that will not be interrupted is the boyaahtastic hand over fist pumpedy doodah rally coming all week unless of course a nuke is fired. If a nuke is fired the indexes may close down 1% with a nice bounce back better than expected rally on the news that this was in fact the ONLY nuke fired for the week. 

Sun, 06/13/2010 - 23:34 | Link to Comment TheGoodDoctor
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Two minutes to midnight? This will be interesting. What are the odds of a fight breaking out?

Sun, 06/13/2010 - 23:42 | Link to Comment septicshock
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As my wise friend once told me:  "Everything has a beginning, a middle, and an END!"

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:12 | Link to Comment Brett in Manhattan
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You're friends with Aristotle?

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:32 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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I am too. Though he hasn't updated his facebook page in ages.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:42 | Link to Comment Brett in Manhattan
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If Aristotle were alive, today, he'd probably be a Twitter guy. Stuff like "Everything in Moderation" works well in that format.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:51 | Link to Comment MayIMommaDogFac...
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Best joke all day...Hats off...

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 03:56 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Not sure if it was title of a book or an article, but it sure as heck rings true now. Not a doomer (eternal optimist actually) but it does definitely feel like:
The terminal madness of the end times.

Not even end times in Judeo Christian or a yuga ending way.

Just a pathetic kabuki of machinations within machinations, surprise within subterfuge. A game being played out before our eyes for which we have no playbook, no rule-book, no cast list, no actor history (that we can believe at any rate).

Just escalation, slight de-escalation, repeat.

As more and more people realize that they are really frogs in the pot and the water is hot, hot, hotter every day, it seems like give-up time.

Don't give up! No one up there!

Give in.

All the answers, first to the unit-ary, then to the collective reside in.

For a peek within, for the philo-sciento-spirito-gnostically inclined, please visit:

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com

The community of life wants to be awake, if only mother cultures siren song wasn't soooooooooo soothing.

;-)

Why on a money blog? Because it's all of a piece. All of it.
And I suspect (know) there are plenty of monetary philosophers on this site.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 09:50 | Link to Comment pan-the-ist
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I'll bite.  I didn't read your blog.  I agree with you that things are going to be chaotic for a while and that some shit will fall apart.  Many will attribute it to the end times and they will be disappointed.  Some of the crazier will find creative ways to off themselves, for them it will be end times.  Sorry, no Gnosis either.  It is the lot of the masses to remain sleeping and engaged in the game, that is the way the game is played.  We can't all be Buddhas.

Sun, 06/13/2010 - 23:48 | Link to Comment Mitchman
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Well, this certainly takes the pressure off the nuclear guys.  But I'm not worried.  I'm confident Obama and Hillary are on top of it.  The New York Times told me so.

Sun, 06/13/2010 - 23:49 | Link to Comment nwskii
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This is a friendly gesture nothing more

Sun, 06/13/2010 - 23:53 | Link to Comment Oracle of Kypseli
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These preludes are part of the excuse of war when the house of cards collapses.

Load up on gold. When the first salvo has left its source, it will be too late to enter the gold market. Get physical now, even at the current price. 

Sun, 06/13/2010 - 23:53 | Link to Comment Adam Neira
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Doomsday Scenario...The Middle East June 2010. Tensions simmer. Khameini orders Iranian navy to escort next “aid” armada to Gaza shores. Egypt allows access for the ships through the Suez Canal. The hotlines ring all night. Bibi states that the Iranian ships will not be allowed to enter the Mediterranean. US  carrier group in Gulf. Ahmedinejad makes belligerent speech. Arab street galvanised.  The evil zionists will be vanquished. Israel on total war footing. First Iranian ship into Mediterranean fires on a British Navy vessel. Many killed. NATO responds. Turkey withdraws from alliance and supports Arab nations. WWIII breaks out. South Africa World Cup cancelled. Casualties climb. Diplomats sidelined. Small battlefield tactical nukes are used to try and stop the horde of Iranian soldiers streaming across the Iraq border. Much of the region is destroyed. Millions die.

Messianic Scenario...All the various leaders see reason and decide to turn to the negotiating table. They realise G-d has created a divine stalemate on the geo-political chessboard. High level trust building meetings take place in Jerusalem. The Holy City assumes its correct place as a centre of unfolding potential. It attracts and reflects light and goodness. Moral of this Story (MOTS) – The minds of the leaders and the people are the place where all things start. Beware of self-fulfilling prophecies ! If there is a war there will be no real winners. Humanity must get over the idea of military triumphalism. The win/lose paradigm will become redundant. The universe is stable, ordered, benevolent and expansive. A certain command and control structure must prevail however. Isaiah’s prophecy of swords and plowshares unfolds over time. World Peace 2050 anyone...

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:02 | Link to Comment Tyler Durden
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Don't forget the second law of thermodynamics gets repealed in scenario 2.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:45 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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And that's the best law!!!

It would break Boltzman's Demon's heart to disappoint Lord Kelvin like that.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 05:04 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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if you can see the entire universe (nice perspective).  your motto makes me wonder if you actually have the time.  a system (say a planet) could decrease its own entropy and not violate the law.  goodness knows an area the size of palestine could, especially in the metaphorical sense you employ.  nihilism is too easy an out.  especially from one with such a (nearly always impenetrable to stupid me) quantitative trading bent.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 05:48 | Link to Comment brodix
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It only applies to a closed system. In an open system, the energy just gets traded around. The irony with our current situation is that we are burning ourselves up with too much energy, not starving from lack of it.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:35 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Doomsday Scenario.....South Africa World Cup cancelled.

Oh dear God!   That couldn't happen.   Not....that.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:42 | Link to Comment Adam Neira
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Yes it will be a tragedy if the dulcet ones of the vuvuzela will no longer be heard echoing over the veldt.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 01:14 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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Likely Scenario: Israeli soldiers board Iranian boats via helicopters. Gum-chewing Iranians threaten to tangle the commandos' locks with grape bubbalicious. Israeli soldiers claim they had no choice but to defend themselves, with napalm. Hundreds of brown people die (here, there and everywhere,daily). The world cries out in outrage, for ten minutes. Luckily Canada's Prime Minister Stephen Harper has told everyone to calm down and wait for Israeli officials to conduct a thorough investigation. Israel (surprise!) finds its soldiers had no option but to use 'sticky fire' on the Iranians, because while bubbalicious is designed not to adhere to your skin, it's extremely difficult to remove from long hair, and beards; entirely a 'tit-for-tat' affair.  Following Israel's self-exoneration, in a show of support US unmanned drones take out scores of innocent Brown people who happen to be sleeping in the same building as the one that had the audacity to say, "Boo!" Millions die of starvation and it doesn't get reported anywhere because they are all Brown.  The US, France, and whoever else complains about pirates continue to dump all of their most egregiously toxic wastes into the ocean just off the coast of Somalia. Britain gets miffed with the US for denigrating BP, and refuses to export any more...uh...bad teeth across the Atlantic. IE Business as usual ensues.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 02:01 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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+bagels!

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 09:37 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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"Hundreds of brown people die (here, there and everywhere,daily). "

Iranians are whiter than you are probably imagining.   And napalm turns people of all races black.  Just clue'in, here and there, where I can be helpful.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 11:16 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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What matters is how they are perceived. In the US, they are considered brown. This is what matters.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 13:19 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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Thanks Anon, when it comes to explaining the bleeding obvious to the obtuse you clearly have much more patience than I do.

TBT: Check out the word 'parody', it might help to clarify things for you.

Regards

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 13:39 | Link to Comment Suisse
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Western Arabs and persians are not considered "brown", they are caucasoids.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 14:23 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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sheesh, I don't think you'll find many bigots making gold-leaf distinctions like that... are we getting the jape yet?

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 01:06 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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If one city is holy where does that leave all the other cities?

If somoene has to command and control then everyone must be commanded and controlled.

I think the collective conciousness is calling in barbers for the bond market.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa3rBVb3v4g&feature=channel

 

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 01:25 | Link to Comment Adam Neira
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I have a boss. I am commanded and controlled. I must obey certain laws. I must respect certain boundaries. We are all in the same boat. A good captain and crew is required to navigate the choppy waters. Jerusalem is special for a multitude of reasons. The ultimate purpose of the mission is for holiness to dwell everywhere whether it be a factory in Manchestor, a call centre in Bangalore, or a trading floor in Wall Street.

Which figures throughout history do you respect ? What is it about their life story that you would listen to ? Who would you take guidance from ?

 

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 02:03 | Link to Comment merehuman
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ok, so you are married. It didnt work well for me, but i respected her.

I would take guidance from cristopher columbus. He had balls to leave the real and know for the unknown. That is adventure , that is real living.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 07:14 | Link to Comment thisandthat
Mon, 06/14/2010 - 02:17 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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"The known way is an impasse." - Heraclitus

Oh sure. But once something achieves dominance it loses it's need to respect any further. Starts screwing over, wasting resources keeping anything competing with that dominance down. Every culture and every race keeps claiming it will be dominant soon. India believes it will be the only world super power. England believes it will return to the glory days of empiredom. America believes it will remain the only super power on the planet when it's just not possible.

Internalizing everything isn't the answer it only creates an empire that rips itself apart. So the world lives and thrives on continuous supply of big promises, feigned authority, feigned responsibility. Anything is possible except this simple fucking thing, that has to be sacrificed and then that other simple fucking thing that has to be sacrificed but it's ok just sacrificed enough simple things it will make the impossible possible. Nothings going to change until the path of least resistance has pushed everyone up against the wall.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 09:56 | Link to Comment pan-the-ist
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The myth of Jerusalem would best be dissolved with a bright white light and a funny shaped cloud.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 13:55 | Link to Comment RichardP
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It would be rebuilt.

Jerusalem, like California in the 60s, is a state of mind.

 

Tue, 06/15/2010 - 09:08 | Link to Comment pan-the-ist
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I think you're correct.

Thu, 06/17/2010 - 00:33 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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Mon, 06/14/2010 - 08:04 | Link to Comment Sean7k
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Scenario three: the oil price finally gets pushed up. Iran profits from the extra income, Israel gets extra support and materials from the US, Egypt gets paid off and some muslim prestige for helping out while the people of Gaza continue to suffer...

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 11:12 | Link to Comment russki standart
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Yo Bro, I think you have been taking too many hits off the morning bong

Thu, 06/17/2010 - 02:32 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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Who? Me? What do you mean 'too many' hits? You can take 'too many'? Why, do my eyes look red? I'm talking too loud, right? I think there might be a skunk in here or something, did you smell that?

Hunh, you were talkin' about someone else? Oh right, yah, I knew that. What were we talkin' about...Hey, we should order pizza!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9idCJCluFao&feature=related

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:03 | Link to Comment Reductio ad Absurdum
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In other news:

Pakistan's main spy agency continues to arm and train the Taliban and is even represented on the group's leadership council despite U.S. pressure to sever ties and billions in aid to combat the militants, a [London School of Economics] research report concluded.

-Associated Press

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 02:02 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Why again are we in Afghanistan?

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 02:07 | Link to Comment merehuman
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The pipeline for the corpy bucks

the opium for the sleeping masses and cash

the foothold bases for power projection

the gold to keep the price down and the dollar alive

my best shot

I am what i am

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 06:37 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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The mineral assets should be forgotten.

They were localized three decades ago.

The US sent a small team to check the validity of the claim.

Wed, 06/16/2010 - 23:46 | Link to Comment Geoff-UK
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To bring functional democracy to people one step up from fucking monkeys, dude!  I've been there, and you've never seen such a mob of back-stabbing, lying, lazy, and stupid humans in your life.  We should have paid off the warlords willing to work for us to kill the others--no soldiers needed for this.  George Bush was living in a fucking fantasy world to think this place can be...anything other than what it is.

Thu, 06/17/2010 - 00:02 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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You know the Pashtun claim they're descendents of a lost tribe:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Pashtun_descent_from_Israelites

Thu, 06/17/2010 - 00:15 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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dup

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 04:16 | Link to Comment fajensen
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What's up with the "despite billions in aid"? We keep the cunts alive and they, of course, continue to behave like cunts with more money.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 05:09 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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get much?

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:04 | Link to Comment Brett in Manhattan
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According to Marcus, "Shit just got real, and I mean it this time."

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:05 | Link to Comment MayIMommaDogFac...
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Things sure ain't boring...don't know what else to say.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:17 | Link to Comment TheGoodDoctor
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LOL.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:53 | Link to Comment knukles
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Ya'll notice the next vid was theme from Fantasy Island?  

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:21 | Link to Comment QQQBall
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Not to worry - totally sure that the Iranians have stocked up fully on the latest paintball gear. :)

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:26 | Link to Comment Adam Neira
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Nice to hear from you Mr.Durden directly, albeit via e-mail. I prefer face to face communication, but the internet is an amazing tool for command and control. ZH is a great site.

In reply to your comment re thermodynamics, the best party I ever organised was called "Entropy". It took place on Saturday, Dec.14th, 1996...The Old Ballarat Brewery Site, Collingwood, Melbourne. 920 people at a private, non-commercial, outdoor urban dance party in the middle of Melbourne ! The numbers had grown from the "Dress Up Box" party two years earlier at The Old Post Office when we had 110 people. Cybergoth, Plastic Fantastic, Poseidon Adventure, Universe, Kid's Party and Barbarella preceded Entropy's "Post Apocalyptic Industrial Techno Dreaming Place". After an amazing night of Fred Disko, Simon Sleiker, Dee Dee and others, a spa bath on the dance floor, amazing dancing, perfect weather (Melbourne !!!)...17 degrees, no rain, very light wind, star-lit night, great decorations and lighting and much joy, to cap it off at seven in the morning two passing hot air balloons floated by 200 metres above the dance floor purely by "chance". It was a great night. Blessed. Super uplifting. One of those events that leaves such a good spiritual memory the ripple effect lasts for years. Inspired. Just ask anyone that went. I could have gone down the Earthcore, (we actually went to the very first one in Toolangi State Forest) mega-dollars route but I was interested in other potentialities.

I would like to host a similar event in Jerusalem in the near future. Nothing better than watching a group of people dancing in real purity, innocence and freedom. We will see how the international geo-political dynamics play out in the coming days and weeks. Violence is not innate. All behaviour is a result of mindset and setting. Good leaders will work on both to mitigate the former.

 

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:35 | Link to Comment SilverIsKing
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Sorry, we're sold out of good leaders.  May I interest you in a few rotten ones?

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:50 | Link to Comment Adam Neira
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Believe it or not G-d always makes sure that there are enough righteous and wise people alive down here on Terra Firma to hold the very fabric of the universe together. (Even if the number is only one like in the time of Noah.) These souls, both blessed and cursed in their position, are known as "Tzaddiks". They may not always be the most famous people on the world stage but often ending up being so through force of circumstance.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 04:16 | Link to Comment -273
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God either wants to eliminate bad things and cannot, or can but does not want to, or neither wishes to nor can, or both wants to and can. If he wants to and cannot, then he is weak - and this does not apply to god. If he can but does not want to, then he is spiteful - which is equally foreign to god's nature. If he neither wants to nor can, he is both weak and spiteful, and so not a god. If he wants to and can, which is the only thing fitting for a god, where then do bad things come from? Or why does he not eliminate them? The Riddle of Epicurus

The gods do not punish the bad and reward the good as the common man believes, in reality the gods no longer concern themselves at all with human beings.

In regards to Noah, the story of Noah's ark is merely a retelling of the much earlier epic of Gilgamesh.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 09:36 | Link to Comment Rebel
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Another possibility is that God granted mankind the greatest gift of all . . . a free will. We were not created as perfect puppets, but as men with a moral compass in our spirit and a free will to choose good or evil. A result of the gift of free will is that some will choose evil. It is not that God wills that we do that, it is not that he does not have the power to change it, it is that he continues to honor the gift of free will that he has given us. God is in control, he does love us, and a day will come when all things are made right.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 11:06 | Link to Comment -273
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Which of the gods are you talking about exactly?

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 11:17 | Link to Comment Rebel
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The One with the capitol "G".

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 11:26 | Link to Comment -273
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Gaia
Ganesha
Ganga
Garuda
Gauri
Geb
Geong Si
Guanyin

???

 

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 11:31 | Link to Comment Rebel
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273, my brother, I am not here to debate you, just simply entering into the record that there is a possibility not mentioned in your post . . . that there is one God, that he created us, that he loves each of us,  that he gave us a free will, and that a day will come when all things are made right. 

We each choose a world view, and am simply stating mine.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 11:45 | Link to Comment -273
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Rebel, what you suggest is of course a possibility, and I respect your right to think as you like.

I have found that the more History I have read and the more I learnt about the early gods (Sumerian, Assyrian, Greek, Egyptian) the more authentic they appeared in relation to the modern version.

Hearing one group of people cheering their god as the one and only who has blessed them and another group cheering their one and only god who has also blessed them just seems rather silly. Especially when the two groups believe and use their version of god as some kind of weapon or right over the other group.

Peace.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 12:01 | Link to Comment Rebel
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273, What I find refreshing about ZH is that people with different perspectives can express themselves. Yes, there are many people who believe many different things. In the end someone will be right and someone will be wrong, so we much choose wisely. Simply stated, the "facts" are not there on which to base the decision, so the decision becomes a matter of faith. If one is an atheist, that is a statement of faith, as the lack of a god can not be proven and must be taken on faith. Similarly, if I believe that there is one God, and that he revealed himself through the prophets, and the Bible, that is a statement of faith. We must each decide what we believe, and what the implications of those beliefs are.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 14:04 | Link to Comment RichardP
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"... so we much choose wisely."

Or, as the Reformed folks believe, we have no choice at all.  God either grabs us or he doesn't.  We have no say in the matter.  Google Calvinism.

I'm just helping broaden the perspective here.

 

 

 

 

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 14:18 | Link to Comment Rebel
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Hi Richard,

Yes, you are right, there are the Calvinist, who believe every thing is predestined, and we are pretty much along for the ride, watching the map unfold. I always felt it was a mindset that does not challenge us to become our best. It turns out to be a quite lively discussion.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 11:59 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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There can also be a view, quite easy to establish, that all things are already right. And have always been.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 12:53 | Link to Comment doggings
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yet another (equally likely) possibility is that it was the tooth fairies or the Leprechauns that did it.

our species badly needs to evolve past this bullshit, its not the only obstacle to human progression but its one of the main ones.

how about, like, taking responsibility for our own actions instead of attributing it all to a higher power fairy?

 

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 13:36 | Link to Comment Rebel
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Hi Doggins. Given we have never met, I am not sure which of my actions I am NOT taking responsibility for. My faith calls me to be responsible, and accountable for my actions. 

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 09:59 | Link to Comment pan-the-ist
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It's too bad (for you) you're not one of them.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 02:08 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Riiiight.  Guess who won't be on the guest list?  Palestinians.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 02:20 | Link to Comment merehuman
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Nepenthe restaurant in Big Sur Calif is another great spot but very isolated. Right on the cliff overlooking the ocean  and bluffs turning into the foggy foothills while revelers dance to the moonlight.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 04:03 | Link to Comment BumpSkool
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...keep taking the little pills and playing with your glow sticks while thumpthumpthump plays all night.

...while your chemically induced version of politics, peace and (beautiful) people dances on, reality will still be here when you come down.

 

... but you gotta stop taking the little pills first

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 22:05 | Link to Comment Adam Neira
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The last recreational substance of any kind was taken nine years ago. Many people have had a tour of duty in these realms. I enjoy an occasional drink, very moderate intake, and a few cigarettes every week, which I should give up. Reasonably proud of my fitness and health. Been to the doctor five times in eleven years.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 05:17 | Link to Comment Shylockracy
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Israel does not take those little pills; it only manufactures and exports it worldwide.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 17:40 | Link to Comment abalone
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 Rosenstein sure did a great job of that

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 04:11 | Link to Comment abalone
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Mt Disappointment wasn't bad either...I'm sure I might have even crossed your path as I was inept at picking Israeli holidayers @ these events & having a chat.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 07:42 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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I'm sure the Palestinians will love it - since they're in such a trancy party mood, lately

(and someone has to take care of the fireworks...)

 

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 14:18 | Link to Comment RichardP
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"I would like to host a similar event in Jerusalem in the near future."

Maybe a Beer and Hymns event?  You could start with "Give Me Oil In My Lamp".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_IGx_X2LI0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm0SDD0ufNI

 

 

 

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:42 | Link to Comment EdwardTeach
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This Just in. Iranian Humanitarian Aid Vessels Captured off The Somalia Coast. Pirates Demand Million Dollar ransom. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Demands that the Somalia Pirates be wiped from the face of The Earth. More to follow.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:45 | Link to Comment Adam Neira
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Interesting news update. Those Somali pirates just might turn the whole Arab world against them which will be good as it will take all the focus off the evil Zionists. Which way will Puntland fall in the power play I wonder ?

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 01:23 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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This also just in:  Adam Neira found with no eyes in his head, and apparently no functional sarcasm detector either!

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 01:27 | Link to Comment Adam Neira
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Compliments will get you nowhere...

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 02:11 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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UPDATE: Adam Neira's skull cavity found to be nearly completely vacant save for a powdery white residue suspiciously resembling MDMA.  A sample is currently being tested at a national lab.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 04:06 | Link to Comment BumpSkool
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Chumba - you ever notice how "uplifting trance" sounds just like the stuff they play at Bar Mitvahs?

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 06:19 | Link to Comment Hedge Jobs
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you are on fire Chumba. it started with that melanoma thing and just got better from there!

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 02:24 | Link to Comment merehuman
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This just in. SF cronickle announces 3 russian and 3 japanese seld defense forces also coming. ^ battle ships in our SF port at once. Interesting, veddy intwewesting. The internet got a little buzzy about it.

me i think they are in the service of the chinese who want the west coast for collateral .LOL

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 08:07 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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Is Adam organizing a trance party there? That might explain it - Tsahal attendance can be such a downer (ask the Palestinians)...

Sat, 06/19/2010 - 22:20 | Link to Comment Adam Neira
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Good events can only take place if the right things are in place. Securing the venue and booking a date are the first steps. Jerusalem as a centre of unfolding potential and seat of government for the entire world is a worthy idea. Music comes in many forms, but some hit the spot more than others for me. (You can almost rate how a certain track or song will effect a person based on their mindset at the time and setting.) Like personality and civilization the variety of forms is remarkable. A cosmic symphony awaits. Party organising is like world politics. It is all about getting the set and setting right, just on a bigger scale, thus my mission.

Many moons ago in Dec.1991 I stated that if scientists one day sent out a satellite into deep space to search the origins of the universe they would hear a sound, and that sound would be techno. You could say I like it a little...

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7840201/Music-of-the-sun-recorded-by-scientists.html

 

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 06:42 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with such a demand will gain his entry card to the western countries club.

Welcome Mahmoud Ahmadinejad among the western civilization club.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:51 | Link to Comment JR
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The worldwide attention to the flotiilla tragedy and the death of nine men bringing humanitarian aid to Gaza, IMO, guaranteed that events now will accelerate and a proposal such as the Red Crescent ships from Iran is just the kind of event one could have predicted. Will Israel’s response be as mililtary as before?  

Even as the UN is formalizing its response to Iran, Israel’s response, according to ABC News Chief Middle East Correspondent from 1983 to 1993, Charles Glass, in Middle East Conflict-- The Gaza Flotilla and Israel’s Many, Many Rights, published in Taki’s Magazine, already may have been formalized. Here is his assessment:

June 3, 2010 -- Anybody can support Israel when times are good and The Timeses in London and New York write about Israeli entrepreneurs in Herzliya, Nobel prizes for physicians, and the blooming desert. That’s easy. How about now, though, when Israeli forces have blasted a humanitarian convoy at sea and killed nine people bringing food, medicine, baby clothes, and building supplies? When the going gets tough, only a few get going. God bless Les Gelb, Alan Dershowitz and the other singular champions of Israelism for standing up now, when nine Turkish activists lie dead and Israel’s reputation is once again, for a moment, in tatters. Gelb bravely asserted on The Daily Beast, “Israel had every right under international law to stop and board ships bound for the Gaza war zone late Sunday.”

Even if no international law, and certainly no Law of the Sea, actually permits armed soldiers to board unarmed merchant ships in international waters, it is good that Gelb had the guts to say there’s one. Israel can rely as well on Dershowitz, the Harvard Law professor who years ago proposed that Israel destroy Palestinian villages in retaliation for suicide bombings—his own “Lidice” solution for which the Nazis who destroyed the Czech village of Lidice in retaliation for the murder of Rheinhard Heydrich were hanged. His counsel on the Huffington Post will soon have the Israeli army storming Gaza, devastating Lebanon, nuking Iran, and sinking cruise liners. When push came to the shove of ethnically cleansing the entire West Bank of its Arab population, Les and Al would be there to tell us all that it was right and, of course, legal. That’s what lawyers, I mean real friends, are for.

I now list the rights that Israel is entitled to exercise now and forever with the full support of its true friends, mainly in America, but wherever else they may be found. Perhaps not, at the moment, in Turkey.

Israel has the right to kill anyone, anytime, for any reason it chooses. This includes those it designates as terrorists or terrorist supporters in Israel itself, in the occupied territories, in Dubai, on airplanes, in cars and on ships. No other state is entitled to this right for reasons that I now forget, but which I am sure Al and Les can remind us about.

Israel is entitled to at least $5 billion a year from the American taxpayer, however hard-pressed he or she may be, during the good times as well as in the midst of financial crises. Israel’s government may spend the money as it sees fit, without oversight or audit by the US Treasury, the Government Accounting Office or the Congress. If a few million bucks go astray or pay for allegedly illegal activities, like displacing Palestinians from their homes and building Israeli settlements on them, that is nobody’s business. If Congress doesn’t like it, it can go to the White House and ask for more.

Israel may use the weapons the United States gives it in any way it chooses, whenever it chooses, and wherever it chooses. US-Israeli treaties limiting their use to defense and prohibiting the deployment of cluster bombs on civilians may be ignored as having no legal force. I defer to the experts at the Harvard School of Law for an exact exegesis of this proposition, but it should be self-evident to all who truly support Israel and not just the whining ninnies who only support it when it is not breaking the law—which, as I said, it is never really breaking anyway.

Israel has the right to spy on and attack American institutions and military installations. The precedents for this obvious assertion are many—Israel’s bombing of American cultural centers in Egypt in the 1950s, its attack on the American naval ship Liberty in 1967 with thirty-two American sailors killed and another 17 wounded, and the many instances when agents like Jonathan Pollard steal American defense secrets and Israeli intelligence passes the information onto America’s enemies. (Read my old colleague James Bamford’s Body of Secrets for the details. You’ll need Les and Al to help you finish the book without having a certain patriotic fury at some of Israel’s breaches of American security.) Bombing American cinemas in Egypt and an American communications ship may seem illegal (and certainly hostile) to the people Les Gelb courageously calls “knee-jerk left-wingers and the usual legion of poseurs around the world.” To the rest of us, the illegal is obviously legal when done by Israel.


United Nations resolutions do not apply to Israel. The UN should pass a resolution immediately to make this clear. Israel has been in contravention, at least on paper, of more UN resolutions than any other member state. It has consistently refused to adhere to Security Council and General Assembly resolutions on the refugees who fled or were expelled by its forces in 1948 and 1967, on its occupation of territories seized in 1967, on its seizure of land in those territories, on its transfer of its own civilians into occupied territories, on the construction of settlements in the same territories and on its treatment of indigenous civilians in those territories. Let’s get this straight. The UN can say whatever it likes, but it cannot expect its resolutions to apply to Israel—except, of course, the one that recognized Israel as a state in 1948. Non-compliance with UN resolutions may be used as a justification for invading Iraq, but they cannot possibly justify criticism of Israel in the knee-jerk, left-wing press or among the blogs of the Legion of Poseurs. (Perhaps there really is an organization called the Legion of Poseurs. If there is, I am sure Les will let us know about it.)

Israel can bomb and invade Lebanon whenever it wants, but we all know that.

Israel can discriminate between its Jewish citizens and non-Jewish citizens, as well as between its settlers and those stateless souls in the occupied lands. Jews can own land in Israel, and (except for about eight per cent of it) Arabs may not. Israel can make the distinction between Jewish and non-Jewish people without knee-jerk left-wingers and legionary poseurs calling it apartheid. Apartheid was what the South African whites did, which was to discriminate between white and non-white people. There is a big difference between dividing society into whites and non-whites as opposed to dividing it between Jews and non-Jews. I am sure Harvard Law has published many papers to clarify the distinction.

Israel can put Gaza under siege whenever it likes. If the Palestinians in Gaza don’t like it, they can go home. Well, actually, the ninety per cent of them who are refugees can’t go home, because Israel won’t let them. And that too is Israel’s right. Do not forget it is always legal for Israel to prevent shipments of food, medicine, children’s toys, light bulbs and anything else it likes from entering Gaza, even though international law says that collective punishment and deprivation of life’s necessities are illegal.

Israel may stop any ship bound for Gaza (or anywhere else) whenever it wants. Les Gelb found a precedent for this: the Allied blockade of Germany. Germany was at war with the British, and German U-boats were as effective at besieging the British as the Royal Navy was at blockading Germany. Israel cannot be in a legal state of war with territory it occupies. If it were, it would be obliged to treat Palestinian anti-occupation fighters in its custody as prisoners of war with rights under the Geneva Conventions. And we all know how likely that is and what Israel thinks of the Geneva Conventions. You guessed it, right up there with treaties and UN resolutions. The German-British siege is about as good a precedent for the siege of Gaza Les is likely to give us, even if he is free to reject its other implications. Thus, on the high seas, Israel can ram aid ships like it did last year or drop armed commandos on them as it did last week. And those bloody Turkish civilians have no right to take away the Israeli soldiers’ pistols. That is pure aggression. Les concedes that, while Israel can board ships in international or, presumably, Gazan waters, it cannot do the same in the territorial waters of another state. He writes, “Thus, for example, if the Israelis stopped the ships in Egyptian waters, that would have been a violation.” Frankly, Les, that’s trimming. Of course, it can stop ships in Egyptian or Lebanese (which it does all the time) or American waters. And I’ll bet ten to one that, whenever it does stop a ship in Egyptian waters, you’ll change your mind.

Israel can demand that Hamas and every other Palestinian group recognize Israel and its “right to exist” (even though, in any other context, the concept “right to exist” has no existence in law), while Israel refuses to recognize the state of Palestine within the 1947 borders set by the United Nations or the 1949 ceasefire lines that became the first, albeit temporary, borders of Israel. Not only does Israel not have to recognize such a state, it may physically prevent it from coming into being (as it has done since 1967). Let me repeat: Israel has the right to recognition without giving recognition in return. No other two states in the world have relations on that basis, but those states are not Israel. Professor Dershowitz can no doubt have one of his students (at least one who wants a job when he graduates) prepare a thesis giving the rationale behind what knee-jerk left wingers and poseurs contend is an extremely odd state of affairs.

There you have it. Stand by Israel now. Stand by the real Israel and not those cry babies who defame the state from within. If you don’t, you lousy left-wing, knee-jerk poseur, you’re nothing but an anti-Semite. Al and Les can explain why anyone and everyone, even Jews, critical of any Israeli action should be called anti-Semitic. I used to know why, but I’ve forgotten.

http://www.takimag.com/article/the_gaza_flotilla_and_israels_many_many_rights/

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 01:11 | Link to Comment Adam Neira
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Taki has gone off the deep end. There has to be a command and control structure for the world. Anarchy will get us all nowhere. The State of Israel is a platform. Events of recent weeks have been instructive. The perception in the minds of many deluded souls is that the Jews are under siege and are in danger. Cowards will always reveal themselves when they see a potential victim as weak. They get a rush out of the idea that their inadequacies will be erased by an act of force. In spring we need to shake out the rug to get rid of toxic dust from our homes. We also need to shake the global tree to remove the anti-Jewish rotten fruit to keep it healthy at certain times. The various acts of courage on display from various Jews around the world, e.g. Rabbi Nesenoff’s staunchness; Daniel Pereg’s LA presence; Latma’s hit; etc. are all extremely heartening. Standing up for what you believe in is inspiring.

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Taki has gone off the deep end. There has to be a command and control structure for the world.

You might want to work on developing your transitions a little bit.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 01:39 | Link to Comment Adam Neira
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Thanks for the feedback. Have you seen BBC's "The Story of English" ? It is an excellent program. I love how English has grown and evolved over history. It is the dominant world language for a reason much to the chagrin of the Frenchies. The Alliance Française has surrendered. We need a spicy mix of other languages on the Planet though.

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 Have you seen BBC's "The Story of English" ?

No, I don't watch television.

Have you read 'The Road to Serfdom'?  It is an excellent book.  I love how Hayek managed over 60 years ago to pull-the-covers on the command-and-control freaks -- and how Hayek's work does not require modification to retain its meaning even as the language of the command-and-control freaks GROWS and EVOLVES in an attempt to fool yet another generation.

FWIW, I voted for you Adam in the HMFIC straw-poll.  Hope you are available and up-to-the-task.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 13:48 | Link to Comment AchtungAffen
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Let me tell you about serfdom. During feudalism, you either were lord or clergy or just part of the serfdom or "modified slavery" as some call it. It ended with the birth of the Nation-state. If you destroy the nation-state and it's "command-control" structure, you'll be back into a dictatorship of the private, a neo-feudalism with a new serfdom.

 

Regrettably, the "command-obey" dialectic is a basic of human society. The belief that by destroying or ignoring that you'll be able to escape serfdom is an illusion. When there's a power-vacuum someone else will always take it. Remove the state and some new feudal Lord will come to take its place and put you under real serfdom.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 06:54 | Link to Comment Bringin It
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MayIMomma - it's a variation of the change-the-subject maneuver.  Thread kill, when no amount of additional bs can derail the thread, give it a junk shot. 

 

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+1

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 02:23 | Link to Comment nhsadika
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This is perhaps the most pathetic response to a set of facts I've ever seen.  This suggests you are a stooge who is trying to reshape thought but doing it in the wrong forum.  "Anarchy will get us nowhere"  - that is the kind of "don't touch the facts" and "frame the conversation by distorted exaggerations" speach you see on mainstream news (with their obvious bias).

 

Here are more classics from recent posts by you.  Others have noticed your psychobabble too.

 

On George Soros'idea that taxpayers must spend money to smooth out bubbles.

Adam: The BIS, IMF, World Bank, US Fed, ECB etc. are aware of the need for oversight in the international economy. George Soros as one of the providers of capital for various projects has a part to play. The private sector must obey certain laws however.

 

On the Afghan $1 trillion resource bonanza

Adam: This is sensationally good news. The people of Afghanistan deserve a decent future. It is further proof of my theory that the universe is stable, ordered, benevolent and expansive. Resources are abundant if we know where to look. Scarcity is a mindset.

 

On the fact that "Debt is the currency of slaves.  Seems to sum up who really controls the country" 

Adam:...No-one says things are perfect. There are great and terrible inequalities everywhere. However a certain base and platform is necessary for the full redemption of the world to take place. The number of people experiencing a decent level of the general welfare right now compared to one hundred years ago is great. The world is also far more peaceful than it was even forty years ago. It is all a matter of perspective. The fact that this resource even exists and people are able to read ZH is truly messianic and a blessing from G-d....

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 06:52 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Dont take it back but what a waste of time (save for the good laughters)

The man is at best a propagandist who perfectly knows that his stuff is babble and simply wishes for it to replace facts. Problem: his stuff is so gross that only people with already a similar mindset can be attracted to it. At this point, he fools nobody, including himself.

 At worst, he believes what he writes and he is past the point of salvation. People who chose to disconnect from the most obvious sides of reality are beyond any communication attempts. They are walled in and wont resign on their mind comfort for any reason that be. When facing the most opposite evidence, they will still come up with a pattern to preserve their mental paradise.

Wed, 06/16/2010 - 23:51 | Link to Comment Geoff-UK
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NHSADIKA:  "Scarcity is a mindset."  Just...wow.  How does one respond to an assertion that if you wish hard enough, sunshine and lollipops can be wished into existence.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 01:12 | Link to Comment perchprism
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Gee, it sounds like Israel took seriously its nation-state status in 1948.  Really sucks that they've taken a pro-active approach in four+ wars against its existence since then.

 

Of course, you omit the causes and effects of these wars.  Asshole.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 01:33 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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Indeed perchprism. It seems as if the Palestinians have also taken seriously their dispossession, and subsequent persecution since 1948. Go figure.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 01:29 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Geez JR, get in touch with yourself and tell us how you REALLY FEEL!

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 02:26 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Thanks for posting that.  It is a brilliant dissertation.

Naive idiots and purposeful fools will rebuke it, but truth is self-evident.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 02:40 | Link to Comment merehuman
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JR, WOW. So many things i didnt know about. Thanks again from a less guilty german. Since i was a kid its been hanging in my conciousness that all the jews were good folk that my ex countrymen murdered.

Now i am beginning to see why the populace went after the jews, because they were associated with the power structure by ideology, race , religion and so were an easy target during tuff times created by the jews on top.

Bildeberg, Rothchild etc. So to simplify for myself , there are jews normal like us and then there are the jews who are the puppeteering assholes.

But to the common man they will all be lumped together when the ropes come out. All reason dissapears in the face of anger.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 07:19 | Link to Comment jimijon
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You know I always wondered about that. I was never, ever taught why all of a sudden all of Germany hated their Jews. There they were in Germany sharing an extraordinary culture and more and then all of sudden everyone hated them and wanted them dead.

wondering

Wed, 06/16/2010 - 23:56 | Link to Comment Geoff-UK
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All of a SUDDEN people hated Jews?  Dude, look around Europe and the USA TODAY.  Throughout history Jews couldn't own real estate, but they COULD loan money at interest (Christians and Moslems, not so much)...so they became bankers.  Got good at it.  And people without money hate people with money.  Plus Jews are a minority and it's good to be in the majority when shit hits the fan.  Keep that in mind when TSHTF and all your neighbors know you own gold.  Better to be thought to be poor...and Gentile.  Even if you're neither. 

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 03:39 | Link to Comment Island_Dweller
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How the fuck can anyone flag this as junk?

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 06:20 | Link to Comment velobabe
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kiss k i s s

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 20:08 | Link to Comment zen0
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sorry sweetie, I had to junk you because you asked.......

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 00:52 | Link to Comment Brett in Manhattan
Mon, 06/14/2010 - 01:09 | Link to Comment Geoff-UK
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Why won't those pesky Jews just let free trade happen and trust the Palestinians not to bring in weapons and rockets?  I just don't understand it.  Don't they know they're getting super bad PR?  Just silly not to let every shipping container in the world fly through customs...

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 01:12 | Link to Comment Brett in Manhattan
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I had a very embarrassing experience going through customs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRpWnK6Rg3E

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 01:40 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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Damn straight there Geoff-UK! So I assume when you go through customs in the UK, you have to go through Israeli Customs first? Or how does that go exactly? MB the English have to go through Welsh customs? Or the Irish through Scottish customs? Oh wait, I bet you all have to go through US customs first, Israeli's second, and then whatever has-been colonialist dupedom power's customs that is left still clinging to its past like a dingle berry on a dead sheep's arse. Sounds inconvenient!

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 02:31 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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HAHAHAHAHA!

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 01:31 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Geoff,

 

Why should shipments to Palestine (a place that is not Israel) be required to pass through Israeli customs?

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 15:45 | Link to Comment Geoff-UK
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Er...because the Palestinians (like American Indians) should have fought harder.  They still don't know they lost the war.   

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 20:18 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Geoff,

 

If the war between Israel and Palestine is over then when will Israel end the occupation of Palestinian land, release the thousands of Palestinians including women and children whom they hold hostage and observe the right of return for Palestinian refugees as agreed upon?

 

The Palestinians know the war isn't over because Israel continues to kill and enslave them. That's why they ARE fighting harder and smarter. Israel certainly lost the battle of the Free Gaza flotilla.

 

More boats are on the way, including a vessel manned mainly by descent Jewish folks. Good luck to them!

Tue, 06/15/2010 - 17:47 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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+1. Well said CA.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 02:41 | Link to Comment Popo
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KARINE-A AFFAIR:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karine_A_Affair

A boat seized in international waters, smuggling arms to Gaza.

 

FRANCOP AFFAIR:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francop_Affair

Same deal, less than 1 year ago.

 

If at first you don't succeed, try try again.  (But this time with lots of activists, and the backing of a few hostile enemy nations).

 


 

 

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 02:51 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Traitorous wretch.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 03:14 | Link to Comment Popo
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The mouth breather supporting Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas is calling me "traitorous".    Confused, much?

 

 

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 03:40 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Yes, I'm constantly confused when reading your postings, because I can't believe someone can be so stupid as to constantly make comments like the above, with the background that Israel has killed more Americans than either Iran or Hamas and probably as many as Hizballah (with their hit being a legitimate attack on the Marine base in Lebanon).

Stupidity is self-evident.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 06/14/2010 - 03:50 | Link to Comment Popo
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LOL.  You need a course in Mideast politics.  You think US interests in the region are measured by some sort of casualty count?  You seem unaware of what proxy conflicts are.  You must wonder why we even regard Iran as a threat.  And you must be terribly confused about why we're even involved politically/militarily or economically over there.  (Just keep repeating these words over and over again: "The American empire was built on ingenuity and hard work".  It'll help you sleep at night, and help you to avoid the true nature of the world).

Poor Chumba, this must all seem so unfair to you.  After all, by your primitive means of 'score keeping', America is down a few points and doesn't have anything to show for it.

 

 

 

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