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Iranian Ships Prepare To Set Sail For Gaza Strip
Even as the UN is formalizing its response to Iran, the Persian Gulf country is preparing to set sail three ships with aid for the Gaza Strip, AFP reported earlier and was cited by the Jerusalem Post. The ships are only awaiting for final permission from the Iranian Foreign Ministry, without regard for Israel's potential retaliation should Iranian ships approach Israel territorial waters. And with over 100,000 Iranians having volunteered to sail onboard, this will unlikely be diffused with mere diplomacy. At least some of the escalation rhetoric this weekend was slightly moderated after Haaretz refuted an earlier report by the Times of London that Saudi Arabia has opened up an air corridor for an Israel strike is false: "Prince Mohammed bin Nawaf, the Saudi envoy to the U.K. speaking to the London-based Arab daily Asharq al-Awsat, denied that report, saying such a move "would be against the policy adopted and followed by the Kingdom." As for the Iranian overture, the piece de resistance is that Iran will also send a plane to Egypt, carrying 30 tons of medical aid, and forcing the involvement of even more third party actors who would certainly prefer to be impartial in this very unstable time. Once again, Gulf (the other Gulf) tensions are escalating, and there seems nothing on the horizon to set anyone's mind at ease. But somehow headlines about the return of the global recovery are once again making the rounds.
From the Jerusalem Post:
The Iranian Red Crescent has equipped and loaded two ships with aid, and is waiting for permission from the Iranian Foreign Ministry to set sail for Gaza, AFP reported on Sunday. A third ship is planned for next week.
An Iranian Red Crescent official, Mojtaba Majd, was quoted as saying that over 100,000 Iranians have volunteered to sail on the ships. He said that the problems involved may prevent Iran from sending volunteers, however "the important issue is that the people of Gaza know that more than 100,000 Iranians are ready to come to their help."
One of the ships, which is carrying food and medicine is expected to leave this week. The Red Crescent has promised to send two ships by Friday and a third next week.
A plane is also planned to fly to Egypt carrying 30 tons of medical aid.
The Iranian decision to send ships to Gaza, follows the international outrage over the Israeli commando raid on the Turkish ship, the Mavi Marmara, which was part of a flotilla seeking to break the Israeli blockade of Gaza.
An Iranian Red Crescent ship was sent to Gaza during 'Operation Cast Lead' but was turned back by Israeli warships.
Elsewhere, Israel appears also very close to worsening its diplomatic relationship with long-term ally Germany, after NPR reported that an alleged Israel spy believed to be related to a Hamas leader killing in Dubai earlier this year, using the name Uri Brodsky, has been arrested in Poland. "Brodsky was arrested in early June upon his arrival in Poland because
of a European arrest warrant issued by Germany which is now seeking his
extradition, the spokesman said, declining to be named in line with
department policy."
The German news weekly Der Spiegel reported that the arrest in Poland already has led to some diplomatic friction. The Israeli Embassy has urged Polish authorities not to extradite Brodsky, the magazine reports in its issue to be published Monday.
Germany's Foreign Ministry had no comment on the case and referred to an ongoing judicial investigation by the federal prosecutor's office. The country's top investigating unit deals with all cases affecting internal or external security, including terrorism or espionage.
After a German passport was used by a person linked to the Dubai slaying, the prosecutor's office in February started investigating a possible connection to a foreign intelligence agency.
Authorities in the western city of Cologne had issued a passport to a man named Michael Bodenheimer. A man using that name was among the assassins who killed the Hamas operative, according to Dubai police.
In February, German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle urged a thorough investigation and said German authorities would do everything possible to support their counterparts in the UAE.
If Brodsky's extradition goes through, however, it could put the government in Berlin — a staunch Israeli ally — in a difficult diplomatic position.
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Riiight. When you're thoroughly discredited, double down and resort to mindless babble. That will win the day.
As I've said already, you're discredited. You need to leave.
I am Chumbawamba.
Sorry I went over your head. I'll keep it simple next time.
You sound like some naive Connecticut prep school kid doing his best to fight global poverty.
ps: I'm here to stay, bitch.
Yep, you nailed me. Except I'm in New Hampshire.
Leave, you suck, everything you say is entirely gay.
I am Chumbawamba.
Here to stay, bitch. But just think Chumba, without me you'd just float away into soft fluffy clouds of propaganda bullshit. Everything is so clear there, isn't it?
I know it's hard having the hard, cold voice of reality here. But you'll either stick around and get used to it, or you'll go back to Yahoo where you can be more comfortable.
You can quit anytime. I don't think you have anymore feet to stick inside that gaping maw of yours.
I am Chumbawamba.
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OR THE MAJOR ROLE IN
FALSE FLAG ATTACKS ON 911 ,
YOU PUTZ ,
THEN WE WERE ALL LIED TO AND RALLIED TO GO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE ,
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Neither. For the record, I have a deep personal disrespect for any and all religious people who live in the 'first world'. (I'm tolerant of those who haven't had access to education).
I support Palestinian statehood.
I take issue with the disproportionate condemnation of Israel for actions which pale before similar transgressions on the part of Russia, China, the USA, France and others.
(Particularly from a bunch of Americans who seem woefully unaware of their own nation's position in the world, and current foreign policies. And who deeply misunderstand the motivations and politics of Israel's neighbors in the middle east. Somehow, they are the "good guys" here. I cannot let that stand.)
Holding Israel accountable is fine (and should be done.)
Holding Israel more accountable is bullshit.
Oy! What logic!
Thanks for the link. I clicked on it thinking it would be a live stream of North Korea's secret training session in Johannesburg. I can't get an angle on their form, and I want them to win as many games as possible so the upper part of the Peninsula doesn't blow up after a brief state-sanctioned mourning period of total national grief. Rodney Dangerfield is a good thirty second distraction.
Do Palestinians have a right to exist?
Do Palestinians have a right to exercise control over their own property, in this case the port facilities in Gaza?
We are all privileged to live on G-d's creation. This lonely, little blue planet in space needs a certain form of organisation however. All of our "rights" are conditional. Gratitude should be more prevalent in the hearts and minds of people.
Does what you call the conditionality of rights preclude the Palestinians ability to excercise control over their own property?
If so, how?
Ignore this poster and flag as junk whatever he writes (imo). Most likely someone here to stir controversies and bring down the forum.
Question 1: Yes, of course.
Question 2: "Their own property" is not politically or militarily clear. You're talking about a people who have refused to accept the right of a neighboring nation to exist. The Hamas charter still, to this day, calls for the outright destruction of Israel. This is a state of open hostility (ie: war). Short answer: No.
Note: You have an underlying premise in both questions that there is a 'people' called the "Palestinians". When and where did this people come into existence with a culturally separate identity and under what circumstances. If your answer predates the 1960's, you are a propaganda puppet.
And you are a horse's ass. Palestine has been around since Biblical times, and figures in Roman history. It existed and exists. You may as well try to disprove the Sun or air.
If you're going to sit here and argue that modern day Israelis existed in Palestine before 1948 or even before the founding of the zionist movement in the 1890s then you discredit yourself.
The Palestinians were Arabs living in the area that has been referred to as Palestine since Roman times. Their land is what you call "Israel". So therefore, they have no obligation to accept the open theft of their land.
However, if you want to simply live under the law of the jungle, give me your address and I'll come over with Mr. Mossberg and introduce you to Occupation 101.
Here's a preview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV_T551jw88
I am Chumbawamba.
Mr mosbergs cousin is staying with me till i die.
I am what i am.
Oh please, tell me when the nation belonged to a people called the Palestinians? In the 1500's, no. No then it was Ottoman. In the 1700's? No. Not then either. In the 1800's? No, then it belonged to the English. And the English gave it to Israel. (By the way, they also gave all of Jordan to Israel, but that's a whole other story).
You're going back to "Biblical times" to establish ownership? Good lord you're a fucking tart. Will you be arguing a return of Manhattan to the Algonquins? Hell, that was just a few hundred years ago. Where's the outrage?
I suppose you support ETA also? How about the IRA?
Now if you're going to argue for giving land back, I'm sure the Israelis would be willing to trade back for 10% of the land in all European cities east of Frankfurt.
You're a mouthbreather.
In the 1800s, Palestine was under the control of the Ottoman Empire, not the British. The Brits took control after WWI under the Sykes-Picot Treaty. A casual screening of Lawrence Arabia could have taught you that much.
The Brits did not "give" Palestine to Israel. The Irgun and the Stern Gang blew up civilian targets such as the King David Hotel and demoralized the British in the pursuit of their "mandate." Zionist armies swept across Palestine in 1947 killing thousands and occupying the land. Survivors of this holocaust are still alive, unlike the unfortunate Native Americans you mention.
Please work on getting you facts in order before bothering to form opinions and inflicting them on others. Thanks.
(Typo: 1900's not 1800's) -- And the English did give it to Israel. My facts are clear. Yours seem to be confused. "Zionist armies swept across Palestine"? Wow it sounds like quite an invasion force! LOL.
Please present the documentation which supports your claim.
Still waiting...
Mother fucker, I don't care what you call the fucking dirt, THE PEOPLE EXISTED.
Refute the fucking name all you want, but I dare you to refute the hundreds of thousands of people that lived in that land that are now millions. You know, the people that now live in squalor in concentration camps in the West Bank and Gaza? Those people?
And yes, the Israelis who are Jews that were forced to leave their homeland in Germany and Poland should be allowed to return.
Fuck and you and your half-witted logical conclusions. It amazes me that you have the temerity to label me as a mouthbreather in the same missive in which you prove without a doubt your very own personal stupidity.
I am Chumbawamba.
Squalor? Uh, huh. Gaza, right? Where the per capita income is the same as India, and higher than Pakistan. Will they be getting a flotillas next?
If your motivation was humanitarian (which it is not, Chumba) you would be focused on those parts of the world where true humanitarian crises exist.
Gaza is simply not one of them.
What a joke. A sick fucking joke with no punchline, just another setup.
Keep changing the subject, moving the goal posts, shuffle the shells around some more.
Do you think everyone is as simple as you? You think we don't see this obvious game?
When faced with irrefutable evidence, time after time, the tactic is the same: move on to another lie, keep jamming the conversation with one handful of dog shit after another, until the entire place stinks and no one wants to stick around.
Just for the record, it is noted that you were unable to refute the existence of the Palestinian people.
You and your people are a curse...on yourselves. Please annihilate yourselves already so the rest of us can go on to live in peace.
I am Chumbawamba.
Who's "we"? You and your fellow inhabitants of the largest and wealthiest military empire in the history of the world? An empire situated entirely on stolen land? The nation who has caused over 100,000 civilian deaths in Iraq? The nation who has caused almost 100,000 civilian casualties in Afghanistan?
Why you must be outraged, outraged!
I mean, who on earth could be more evil and callous than Israel... er... right?
Yeah, it's a sick joke alright. A punchline with no setup. You are a citizen of the empire Chumba. And you walk around pointing fingers. LOL. It's funny.
No, You are the sick people that do not have the necessary brain function to properly determine right from wrong. You are genetic mistakes that must be culled from the human gene pool in order for Us to evolve to the next level.
When the time is right, We will jettison You from our midst.
I am Chumbawamba.
Ok, Adolf.
Whatever, Shlomo.
Last chance to refute the existence of the Palestinians.
Too bad, you can't.
F A I L
Israel gone by 2025.
I am Chumbawamba.
One more time, Adolf:
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28222
(written by a Lebanese, btw)
WND = zionist propaganda central.
Anyone can find some obscure Uncle Tom (Q: Who the fuck is Joseph Farah? A: Nobody) to spout some bullshit. You can count the Arab apologists for Israel on one hand. There are sell-outs in every culture and society. Like yourself. It doesn't make them an authority.
I won't bother linking to all the Jews and even Israelis that rebuke zionism and Israel's "right to exist". There are too many and it would take too long, and ultimately it would be pointless. The truth is self-evident.
Another FAIL.
I am Chumbawamba.
Resorting to Ad Hominem, eh Chumb? If you can't beat the facts, beat the person?
The failure belongs to you my boy.
Riiiiiight. When you fail utterly and totally in all other regards, resort to appeals to emotion.
And I'm sorry, but what "facts" did you provide? Assertions by random people are not facts. Those are more often described as "opinions".
Did you ever come up with facts to support your assertion that the Palestinians didn't exist? Any historical demographic data, perhaps? Maybe some maps? A Wikipedia entry? Anything?
I didn't think so.
I am Chumbawamba.
In both historical and scientific study the onus of proof falls to the one trying to prove what does exist. Proving something does not exist is extremely difficult if not impossible (which is why we have people who believe in UFO's, Atlantis and Bigfoot -- and regularly hear the flimsy claim that we cannot prove the non-existance of what is otherwise invisible). For that reason (as you are clearly unaware) we place a historical and scientific evidentiary onus on existence rather than non-existence.
Oh wait. I'm going over your head again. Well I've given you direct, easily-validated quotes by those who represent the Palestinian people. And you're still asking for "evidence".
Sounds to me like you just don't want to see it, Chumb.
This argument is pointless. You're a mouth breather, and I'm using evidence and logic.
There we go with the bullshit again.
Fine. I'll prove the Palestinians existed. What ethnic group constitutes over 20% of Israel's population?
Arabs.
Where did these Arabs come from?
Palestine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel
This argument is indeed pointless, because you are an obstinate zionist and no matter how many times I own you it won't matter. You'll keep coming back with the same bullshit.
What an unfortunate psychosis you suffer.
I am Chumbawamba.
Everyone should read this.
http://www.haaretz.com/general/shattering-a-national-mythology-1.242015
Romans did not exile populations. They taxed them. That was their whole game. They conquered and taxed populations.
The decendents of the Biblical, Semetic, Jews are the Palestinians.
The Khazars need to make amends or go home.
Right. Well I'm still waiting for you to explain how native Americans aren't equally deserving of territorial return.
And why aren't you up in arms over Tibet?
Or if humanitarian concerns were truly the issue here, where's your outrage over the greatest (and ongoing) genocide in decades: Darfur?
Chumba, you're morally and intellecutally dishonest. You are applying a thin veneer of moral and political reasoning to an issue and using that veneer as a pretense for your hostility. But the moral and political issues you raise (when compared to the world's true humanitarian and political crises) are flimsy and belie and alternate set of motivations.
Oh, wait. Sorry -- I went over your head again.
How's this: You're a mouth breather.
That is the problem indeed between gang members. They will keep flying their respective wrong doings with the expectation of silencing the issue.
It also shows how responsibility is failed.
Explaining one's wrongness by the wrongness of others is flawed in a responsibility context.
I doubt that anyone reasonable enough and concerned by the real issue will come up. It will be a suicide. Because it would mean making enemies out of every gang member.
So people supporting human beings' welfare and dignity should really be aware of the danger they put on themselves.
Why does anyone give chumbaba any time on this site? He is a loser who can't even pay his taxes yet people waste their time arguing with him.
There are plenty of Jewish people speaking the truth - although they are not widely disseminated on MSM. The truth they relate is simply - The Jews in Palestine turfed people out of the homes they had lived in for hundreds of years, at gunpoint. The Zionist distortion is that the land was occupied by no one. "A Land without people for a people without land"
...except there actually were people on the land.
"Way back on March 31, 1977, the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. Here's what he said:
"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism."
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28222
Wow. You found one example in an ocean of writing of one person discussing the struggle of the Palestinians within the context of Arab unity, another example of you not knowing jack fucking shit about the Middle East and its politics.
I am Chumbawamba.
LOL! You asked for evidence and I fucking found it. OWNED.
btw - There are 1000's of such articles. And the quotes by political leaders are easily verifiable.
You're a mouth breather.
Thousands, huh? And you could find only one by an obscure writer that no one has ever heard of, and from an Israeli propaganda site of all things?
Owned? Are you fucking serious?
And what's with this "mouth breather" shit? Do you breath from your asshole or something?
I am Chumbawamba.
give it a rest Popo, you are just making yourself look worse and worse. Its quite embarasing reading some of your posts. This is zero hedge, not cnbc, fox news, or bloomberg. I think you are on the wrong blog. people dont come to ZH to hear the sort of bullshit you are posting we come here to hear the truth.
No, most come here to hear the preaching: Gold is good. Government is bad. You aren't rich because the system is stacked against you. But in the end the honest will be rewarded. Do not worry oh believers, we in the circle of faith will survive when the "end days" come.
It's an old message in a new format. You're just too dosed up on the Kool Aid to see most of ZH's non-financial reporting for what it is.
Tyler's a clever chap. He knows how to work the crowd without ever getting the crowd to question the fact that they live in (and profit immensely from living in) the wealthiest, most militarized nation on earth. Somehow we're all underdogs here. Unwilling recipients of the vast majority of Earth's riches, labor and power.
Most here think they're one of the "good guys" and that the evil lies somewhere else. Israel, for example.
Pass the bong.
You see the phantoms your mind is making for you. What do you know about the crowd except what you find in your dreams/nightmares?
You couldn't be more wrong.
Thank you for addressing exactly 0% of my comments with that long winded version of "No, I disagree".
Popo dude.....
Nice threads.
+1
Popo even if you were right you would have a hard time winning against Chumbawamba, and you are not. Someday everyone everywhere will understand all about zionism.
"Popo even if you were right ... and you are not."
So - the United Nations did not grant statehood and a piece of land to the people called Jews? It is not true that everyone around Israel wish to drive the Jews from the land that the United Nations gave it? It is not true that, as a U.N. created state, Israel has a right to defend itself in all ways necessary? So "Jews" have done bad things. How does that fact take away Israel's right to defend itself? Have Arab nations waged other wars to drive the Jews out of Israel? Did they succeed? Does that desire to drive the Jews out of Israel exist today? As a U.N. charterd state, does Israel have the right to defend itself against those desires?
How badly the Jews have behaved in the past has no bearing on their right to defend the state of Israel against attack. Whether the Jews can be driven out of Israel will depend on who has the power superiority, not the moral superiority.
The Arab nations have refused to welcome the "Palestinian" people into their countries. So how do you suppose the Arab nations are going to treat the "Palestinian" people if they succeed in driving the Jews from Israel?
Rhetorical questions all. No need for anybody to respond. Just think about the answers.
winning against Chumbawamba is easy. Just ignore him. Anyone that has to repeat who they call themselves must have ego problems.
Because their life is a lie.
"give it a rest Popo, you are just making yourself look worse and worse. Its quite embarasing reading some of your posts. This is zero hedge, not cnbc, fox news, or bloomberg. I think you are on the wrong blog. people dont come to ZH to hear the sort of bullshit you are posting we come here to hear the truth."
Most of what is posted on this thread is a disgrace. The cracks in the "facade" are beginning to show, people. Many of you are respected on this site, but that will change - and change the face of ZH.
Shattering a 'national mythology' - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News
In this end, it is presented as being a matter of time.
Steal something and wait enough for in one case, the original owner dies or in a second case, the descendents of the original owner dies. At that moment, where is the moral outrage?
Not judging the method but I dont understand how people on the Internet still wish to depict for what it is not, that is justice.
If your story is about doing wrong, holding on denial mode till nobody claims about it, well, assume your path. Dont picture this as justice and enjoy your injustice.
Something I've always wondered about. How can you claim right to retribution/return based on a fictional story and deny recent history, not so recent history and distant history on the other?
Truly a mind-muck.
Sad thing is that this whole thing has been foisted on us (as a people) and US(as a nation) with precisely this time and place in history.
While the Protocols of the E of Z may be of doubtful provenance, the words of Grand Master Pike are irrefutably written in Ink.
All of us are fodder, unless we choose not to be. Adam N is a dupe or a paid shill, clearly (I have to give him kudos for his thick skin and way with words though, a good shill).
But we are all shills in the game of divide and conquer.
How shill we break out of the mould? That is the Q that should be driving us nuts at this point.
How to rip off the blinders, understand the things that really matter.
As my favourite mystic of the last century, His high Beelzbubbiness Gurdjieff himself, said, we are a point in history, probably outside our sentient control, when greater forces demand war and destruction.
The great wheel keeps on turning and turning, relentlessly.
Our only real choices are inward, outward is all a screen, a movie.
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com
Israel took the land they occupy by force which they initiated in 1947. As the Zionists were unwilling to accept the right of the owners of that land to keep their lives and property how can they expect their victims to grant them such a consideration in return?
Note: In the Bible (which predates the 1960s) the Palestinian people were known as Philistines. Interestingly enough, in the only Biblical tale which unfolds in Gaza 3000 Philistines were the victims of the world's first recorded suicide terrorist, a man named Samson who killed himself in a very cowardly attack on a temple full of women and children.
Israel was given the land legally by its owners.
Can you present any evidence to back that up?
Yes, he'll probably refer you to Joan Peters "From Time Immemorial", or perhaps an Alan Douchewitz essay.
I am Chumbawamba.
"Israel took the land they occupy by force ..."
What people have ever established a nation / state without first taking the land by force?
So you shouldn't mind if the Palestinians (or anyone else for that matter) try to take land away from Israel by force, right?
Wouldn't it just be easier to respect people's property and not cheer on looters and moochers for political or religious reasons?
Israel took the land they occupy by force which they initiated in 1947.
The Arabs attacked Israel.
Note: In the Bible (which predates the 1960s) the Palestinian people were known as Philistines.
wrong. Palestine was a name given to the region by the Romans, long after Philistines ceased to exist.
The majority of the current crop of people who claim to be Palestinians showed up after the Jews made the area economically viable. They called themselves Jordanians and Egyptians til after 1967.
They don't even have a "p" sound in their language, so they have to refer to "Balestine".
How could the Arabs have attacked Israel when Israel had not yet been established? Are you suggesting that Arabs are capable of time travel? Too bad you aren't capable of time travel as that ability may well improve your understanding of history.
Where's Mr. Peabody when you need him?
POPO attempts to repeated a worn-and-tattered argument that someone else told to him.
Unfortunately he lost his copy of the script and can't remember exactly how it goes...
Israel has the military capacity to remove every Palestinian man, woman and child from the Earth. Instead, they agree to let the world feed Palestine while the Hamas uses their money to buy rockets and weapons instead. And when they enforce the blockade because the ship refuses to let Israelis look inside to ensure weapons aren't in the shipment, the world goes apeshit. The Israelis didn't sink the ships. They didn't firebomb the deck of the ship. They dropped SpecOps guys who were forced to use paintball guns first, and the "peaceful activists" attempt to kidnap the soldiers and stab them.
Meanwhile, if Jews were poor and penniless on the Gaza Strip, and Palestine were in Israel's place, the Gaza Strip would be a smoking crater within 48 hours.
And yet, the Israelis are the assholes. I don't get it.
You're absolutely right: history began 40 years ago. Before that, nothing matters.
/sarcasm
nothing will happen...
Because there are no Iranian ships and therefore no Iranian relief on the ficticious ships.
"The Ghost Ships of the Persian Gulf" was a sequel to "A Thousand and One Arabian Nights". Poor Shahryar was having trouble with Scheherazade and his harem and wrote the tome on a lazy Monday. The worries of a sovereign...
I have a bad feeling about this...
This Just in! Kim Jung Ill Swears that North Korea Did not torpedo the Iranian Aid Vessele, and he will Nuke anyone who says he did. NO REALLY, He means it this time! He really, really, really Means IT!!!!!!
which passport do I need to carry to
be protected by the American Government ??
I would suggest Saudi.
DOW chart warns of a rally :
http://stockmarket618.wordpress.com
http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/latest-market-outlook-1
Stop spamming ZH with your silly charts.
Really? This is a financial blog. I'd rather be "spammed" by his charts than by your incessant anti-American/pro-Israel blathering.
I am Chumbawamba.
Maybe you should join the activists on the flotilla Chumba.
I supported the Free Gaza flotilla financially (as well as all other Free Gaza voyages since August 2008) if that counts for anything.
However, I am not Chumbawumba.
How well did they do in their single and only mission of delivering humanitarian aid?
Did they explain in the prospectus that their would be several hundred extra crew members beyond those needed to navigate and handle cargo operations?
What about their plan to unload via beaches rather than simply docking at well-equipped "ports" ?
Please review the facts.
Free Gaza made eight voyages to Gaza five of which made port in Palestine. The first voyage was in August 2008. Following the live updates and e-mails of their progress was one of the most exciting moments I can recall. I am not a statist or a collectivist but when Greta Berlin sent the message "We have entered Gazan waters and are flying the Palestinian flag," my heart lept. Kinda felt like that moment in Kelly's Heroes when General Colt (Carroll O'Conner) shouts, "Get outta here, Booker, we got the game on!"
Good fucking idea! I may just mount my own flotilla from the San Francisco Bay. I'm sure I could get thousands of hippies to volunteer. Any fucking Israeli "commando" that tries to board my ship will find himself with a fucking fountain pen in his eye socket.
I can see the entire shipping industry becoming revitalized by aid flotillas to Gaza.
I am Chumbawamba.
Oh please, please, please get on a flotilla heading for Gaza, Chumba. That would make me happy.
I would rather die fighting evil than live to be its puppet.
You are discredited. Move on. There's no more reason for you to be here.
I am Chumbawamba.
"I would rather die fighting evil than live to be its puppet."
LOL. You're American, right?
No, bitch, I am Chumbawamba.
You're a real character Chumbawamba, you don't pay your taxes, you advocate hording gold, and espouse pan-arabism. Are you permitted to fly on planes still?
Paying taxes is financial suppport for Domestic Enemies.
No boarding this time. One warning, then torpedos. The Iranians want it, just give it to them.
The Israelis didn't warn the USS Liberty before they fired torpedoes, why would they bother to warn Iranians?
The warning will be when all communications on the aid ships get jammed.
That gives them a few minutes to prepare the back of their heads for peaceful reception of Israeli bullets.
LOL. Remember the Karine-A, bitch.
Let me understand this -- you are using an incident which occurred in 2002 to justify the murder of 34 American sailors by Israel in 1967 -- is that correct?
She's a fucking traitorous bitch.
I'd like to tit fuck her ass!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxHACWkz7lg
I am Chumbawamba.
You'd like to tit fuck my ass?
Uh... I knew you were retarded Chumba, but this desire of yours reveals misunderstandings about some very fundamental things -- like female anatomy, for example.
Suck my dick, or cock!
Would you prefer an incident less than 1 year ago?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francop_Affair
And the word "murder" to describe a great historic tragedy of friendly-fire is just absurd. Review the radio transcripts, they're all public now. There's no question about what happened to the Liberty. But you can keep spinning, Mr. Crock
So you cite Israeli false flag operations as proof of...what? That Israel will manufacture evidence to "prove" its hysterical claims?
We already knew that, my cute little chimpanzee. We didn't need to be reminded.
Indeed, there's no question about what happened to the USS Liberty, but "friendly fire" is not it. I would not classify returning numerous times to fire on and torpedo the boat as "friendly". Perhaps the translation from Hebrew is the problem here?
As I said earlier, you are discredited. Leave.
I am Chumbawamba.
I have stated nothing but fact, and you are growing increasingly angry.
I am here to stay bitch. Maybe you should go back to Yahoo?
Poor Chumba.
Oh really? I missed the facts you posted that prove the Palestinians didn't exist. Can you please either point me to that comment or repost them?
You're confusing anger with righteousness.
I am Chumbawamba.
Everybody knows the "Palestinians" are a recent invention. Come on, junior. Wake up. You're a propaganda puppet.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28222
Do Palestinian Semitic Jews also
know they are a recent invention ???????
Fail.
It's a legitimate question. Answer it, chimp.
Still waiting...
give it a rest Popo, you are just making yourself look worse and worse. Its quite embarasing reading some of your posts. This is zero hedge, not cnbc, fox news, or bloomberg. I think you are on the wrong blog. people dont come to ZH to hear the sort of bullshit you are posting we come here to hear the truth.
You are moving in the wrong direction.
If the example from 2002 can not support the Israeli murder of US sailors in 1967, how can an example from last year support that crime?
Here's a tip -- use an example from before 1967 that justifies the 1967 attack by Israel on the United States.
The United States government conducted a review of the Liberty attack in 2003 and called it a deliberate act. Please stop cheering for the murder of American servicemen involved in a nonviolent mission.
Popo, Iran has a population of over 74 million, that is a ridiculously ignorant comment from you.
How many of these 74 million do you know? All of the Iranians I know are incredibly generous and warm hearted people with the same wish for peace as anyone else.
When we discuss geopolitics and the projection of force anywhere, be it from China, Russia, Israel, Iran or America -- we discuss governments. I would seldom question the peaceful desires of any general population.
(If only such a similar populist vision could be extended to the Israelis. But as we all know they are a unified, faceless evil.)
Sorry, this view is dangerous and indoctrinated and is part of the problem. Basing criticism or judgement on entire nations of people based on the actions of a few of their leaders is what these leaders want, in order to build nationalistic fervour to aid their goals.
After travelling the world a while, or living with different cultures and races you see that most people have the same needs, desires and fears all over the world.
You sound like you have been firmly divided and conquered.
"Basing criticism or judgement on entire nations of people based on the actions of a few of their leaders is what these leaders want, in order to build nationalistic fervour to aid their goals."
Pot, meet kettle.
That saying has Zero relevance to what I wrote.
This is notwithstanding the fact that countless polls published in Israeli press consistently shows that a majority of Israeli Jews distrust, dislike and want to expel Arabs from within Israel.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/poll-50-of-israeli-jews-support-state-backed...
http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=170735
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7136068.stm
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2010/04/27/poll-reveals-isr...
http://www.theage.com.au/world/israeli-mps-ban-arab-parties-from-poll-20...
So no, it's not just the government of Israel that's belligerent, it's most of the nation.
I am Chumbawamba.
Yea, it does seem that way somewhat, but I have also met my fair share of decent Israelis and to be honest I dont really trust polls. I never filled one in, in my life, and yet my nation or demographic or age or whatnot has supposedly been spoken for.
http://russianscoop.blogspot.com/2010/06/kyrgyz-crisis-tops-russian-headlines.html
yea that's fucked up, but there aint much info about whats going on besides headline pieces. Drama pretty much wherever you look. In general to quote the great roots manuva, its easier to just be 'resigned to the fact, leave the world to the world.'
Let's go with Joel 3:10
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I wonder if this was discussed when Merkel visited the UAE a few weeks ago? This story was only covered in the German and Arabic press. The only reason I know about the story is I happened to be in Abu Dhabi that day.
"Sheikh Mohammed, the brother of President Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed al-Nahayan whom Merkel is due to meet on Tuesday, stressed the UAE's readiness to develop on its "strategic partnership" with Germany, the official WAM news agency reported.
http://www.thelocal.de/politics/20100525-27395.html
For all his quixotic behavior in public, I think Ahmadinejad(or whoever is counseling him) has a good grasp of strategy when it comes to war. Fanatical mindset aside, from a strategic view point Ahmadinejad’s decision to send aid ships to Gaza is a master stroke.
Let me see if I can explain,
First examine Israel’s position, it would like to get rid of Iran altogether if allowed/possible, this would be the best case scenario, and at a minimal Israel certainly wants Iran’s nuclear establishment reduced to rubble. Now from Israel’s point of view, it would like to address the Iran nuclear issue with minimum fanfare, one fine morning send out air power to take out targets, thereby catch media and world leader’s unaware. The rationale for this approach, well my guess is, Israel has calculated the odds of an uprising in the ME, to rally behind Iran, to be very low.
However, if Iran were to bring war to the door steps of Israel, especially using humanitarian reasons such aid to Gaza, Israel has no alternative but to react, as giving in would weaken Israel’s position in the ME, and Israel does not want this. And moreover, it definitely does not want to give Iran credit and status in the ME, by bowing down to Iran. So Israel will engage. This is were I see the master strategy of Ahmadinejad.
I’m Iran and I know major world powers are against me, I have very little support in my sphere of influence and I’m expecting attack from Israel anytime and I also know that I will not be able to do much in terms of to staving of this attack or reacting after the fact. So how do I bring war to my enemy at a time of my choosing and at the same time rally support from my neighbors for my war, and if lucky get a full blown conflict against the west with Iran spearheading the armies/people of ME. Answer - Take war to to your enemy’s doorstep using a noble cause such as humanitarian aid (or anything that serves the purpose) and force your enemy to fight at a time of your choosing, your cause for conflict may help you rally your brethren to your cause, worst case Israel, reduces Iran to a rubble, but this bound to happen sooner or later, unless Iran decides to give in to the demands of Israel and its allies. So what do I have to lose, I don’t have to answer to my people and if anything I’ll become a martyr
That's very good analysis. I think you are right.
This is why it's a bad idea to constantly threaten to bomb another nation. Nobody is going to just sit there and be a passive target.
You do know that Iran has sent a ship to aid Gaza before and was turned away by Israel?
Israel will let aid to Gaza pass before Iran sets sail.Oil speaks,Clinton last week was trying to ease tensions with Venezuela while Chaves sings he doesn't love her.They threaten to cut off oil flow should Iran be attacked.With Gulf oil,hurricane season and a Turkey turn,support coming from America will fade with elections upon them.Iran has put them to the chase in a brilliant tactical move with all eyes focused on Gaza.Israel will be floating bagels to Gaza in a save face about face and losing a pawn rather that a Rook.Damage control...smart MF***ers.
http://www.mikepiperreport.com/
Israel is finished, top brass KNOWS who did 911 pt 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4XnYkANHGU&feature=related
http://www.mikepiperreport.com/
Israel is finished, top brass KNOWS who did 911 pt 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4XnYkANHGU&feature=related
IRANIAN FLEET SETS SAIL:
http://williambanzai7.blogspot.com/2010/06/iranian-fleet-to-gaza.html
Check out: Neturei Karta International
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=7318
AIPAC of Raving Lunatics911 MOSSAD OPERATION
The International Committee of the Red Cross says Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip breaks international law.
http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/Red-Cross-Israels-Gaza-Blockade-Bre...
Terrists!!
If Iran/Israel get into it, life as we know it in America ends. Forever.
Use your imagination to the maximum - if gasoline/diesel is over 10 a gallon and is intermittently available, what would that do to your job? Your best friend's job? And so on.
100k volunteers to sail to Gaza.
Big balls on these people.
I wonder how many Israelis would sign up to sail to the coast of Iran?
How many Jews died in WWII wearing an American military uniform? About the same as the % of Jews in the U.S. population?
Use your imagination to the maximum - if gasoline/diesel is over 10 a gallon and is intermittently available, what would that do to your job? Your best friend's job? And so on.
You talk as if those conditions would exist permanently.
"If Iran/Israel get into it ..."
They won't get into it over this. Iran has sent a ship to Gaza before that was turned away by Israel. Nothing happened.
Again I ask, why is it that this thread is only discussing Israel? Egypt has been as big a part of this blockade as Israel until recently.
It is reported that 100,000 Iranians volunteered to be on the aid ships, but the government said "no" to them. The Revolutionary Guard also says they will not be on board. (They will probably be in the submarine following along underwater.) Latest news says only one ship now and another ship in a week. It's a long way to Gaza from Iran, assuming the ship ever sails, and there be Israeli submarines in them thar Iranian waters. Lots of things can go wrong at sea between Iran and Gaza.
Edit: CNN now reporting that first ship left on Saturday.
Again I ask, why is it that this thread is only discussing Israel? Egypt has been as big a part of this blockade
as Israel until recently.
It has been said that when people think about the Jews, their I.Q. drops 10%
It seems that when people think about Israel, their I.Q. drops 20%.
Worth Repeating IMO -
"Most of what is posted on this thread is a disgrace. The cracks in the "facade" are beginning to show, people. Many of you are respected on this site, but that will change - and change the face of ZH."
wrong nest for this comment
For all named and anonymous readers of this thread I suggest you listen carefully to the following song and try and see what sort of political philosophy and worldview it best approximates...
"You've got to accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative, hold onto the affirmative and don't mess with Mr.In-Between !"
- Johnny Mercer, 1942