Ireland Given 24 Hour Ultimatum To Take Bailout Or Be Responsible For Pan-European Contagion

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Mon, 11/15/2010 - 19:04 | 728730 John McCloy
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  The Irish are proud.Let's hope they tell the ECB, IMF, Fed and bankers to kick rocks.

Meanwhile here are the current Time Person of the Year Results:,28804,2028734_20290... you can see Lady Gaga  & Jon Stewart rocking the vote...Why is Tyler not nominated?

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 19:09 | 728747 docj
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+1  Let's all hope for the best here.

I'm not Irish, but were I my answer would be a hearty, brogue filled, "F*CK YOU!!!!!" to the banksters.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 19:14 | 728769 John McCloy
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  The I.R.A. already stated their position on how they perceive the bankers

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 19:36 | 728835 Sabibaby
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They're saying what everyone's thinking (or has thought for a long time now)

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 22:24 | 729325 barkster
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Ireland should stand with Iceland!

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 23:05 | 729429 Ragnarok
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A little music perhaps:


Flogging Molly - What's left of the flag


Dropkick Murphys - Fields of Athenry

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 23:14 | 729450 Vampyroteuthis ...
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I dig Flogging Molly and the Dropkick Murphys, but they are actually American bands.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 23:57 | 729732 erik
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Flogging Molly's lead singer and songwriter is from Ireland.  They are the greatest live band going right now.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 19:44 | 728850 macholatte
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OK!  Game on!

Let's hope they get it right, do a little ZH and You Tube research, and leave the branch managers and assorted low level workers alone.

The history of the last century shows, as we shall see later, that the advice given to governments by bankers, like the advice they gave to industrialists, was consistently good for bankers, but was often disastrous for governments, businessmen, and the people generally.
Carroll Quigley

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 19:53 | 728884 LeBalance
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Carroll doesn't tell the whole story, the banks already own the governments, business, and the people.  They are telling the same what to do.  The hand ringing by policy hacks is to make it seem that there is an alternative and that "freedom" exists.

It does not, slavery exists.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 20:39 | 729024 JLee2027
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It's not nice to be owned and not even know when you were bought or who sold you.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 21:14 | 729118 stewie
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No-one is more hopelessly enslaved, than the one who falsely believe he is free.


Mon, 11/15/2010 - 21:34 | 729167 BigJim
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So why isn't gold going apeshit on news like this?

Strange times.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 22:59 | 729418 nuinut
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Because that ain't the price of gold you're looking at, it's the price of paper gold.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 22:19 | 729311 TwoShortPlanks
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Ain't that the damn truth!

"If War is an extention of Politics by other means then, Politics is an extention of Economics by other means and further, Economics is an extention of Servitude by other means."

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 22:17 | 729302 Fred Hayek
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My mortgage comes to mind.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 20:03 | 728923 samsara
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Thanks for the quigley quote.  I've quoted a few of his myself.  He laid it out. (then taught Bill Clinton)

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 20:16 | 728958 Al Gorerhythm
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"Having flirted with insolvency until it was rescued by the International Monetary Fund and EU in May, Greece on Monday sought to reassure its partners that despite the latest figures, it remained on course." 

Rescued!  Rescued? HA!  All their problems were solved by offering them more debt?!!

Greece admits breach of bailout terms as audit begins.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 23:33 | 729544 New_Meat
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Totally OT:  Your handle reminds me of an old Bob Metcalfe joke.  Searching...dang, Google has it:

"Some people laugh off Gore's claim to have invented the Internet.  But I'll have you know, to this very day, the internet runs on many of its original ALGORithms."

- Ned

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 01:13 | 729896 Al Gorerhythm
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Let it be known that the imposter, Algorithm, is no relation of mine. When it comes down to relatives, he does not fit into the equation. DNA evidence of his claim to blood ties does not add up.

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 00:31 | 729819 ebworthen
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Don't forget that billions upon billions of our tax dollars go into the IMF as well!!!

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 20:40 | 729030 HellFish
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Freakin sweet.  I'm impressed.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 21:30 | 729156 hedgeless_horseman
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My prayers and hopes are with the people of Ireland. 

Fuck the banks...socialize the losses amongst their collective arses.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 19:19 | 728785 mikla
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We *LOVE* the Irish and stand with them in this time of trial.

To save their souls from an eternity of Indentured Servitude, they should reject any offers from the IMF.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 19:22 | 728789 MaldelBot
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Why? It worked so well for the Baltics.


:::falls to knees:::



Mon, 11/15/2010 - 20:20 | 728966 UGrev
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There was a fire fiiiiiiiggghhht!!!

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 19:41 | 728840 SheepDog-One
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OH, so the EU is trying to pin it ALL on Ireland? What about France, England, Portugal, Spain, Greece? Theyre all OK now? Patently ridiculous...if I were Ireland I'd certainly tell them to go to hell.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 19:55 | 728897 LeBalance
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Tonight is an "I" night, the rest of the bankrupt alphabet will wait in the wings to "surprise" you (scary!) tommorrow!

Short term memory and all that.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 22:22 | 729318 Fred Hayek
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The irish should realize.  It's not they who have no leverage, who have to come begging.  They have ALL the leverage.  How many British, German and French banks would be fucked if the irish default or even force big haircuts on bonds?  And what would that do to those countries' economies? 

If Ireland had baseball player agent Scott Boras representing them here they'd come away owing 25% of what they seem to owe. 


Mon, 11/15/2010 - 20:55 | 729074 tickhound
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The Irish should take the bailout... Haven't they heard the age old American adage "the more you owe, the more you're worth?" 

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 21:50 | 729166 Village Idiot
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Mon, 11/15/2010 - 21:39 | 729190 Village Idiot
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"I'm not Irish, but were I my answer would be a hearty, brogue filled, "F*CK YOU!!!!!" to the banksters."


There's a song for that.  Hasn't been posted in a while, but so fitting. Click on the link and select song - "FUCK YOU",fuck-you-official-video_16.htm?loc=

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 22:26 | 729331 Eternal Student
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No, no, no! Saying FU to the banksters is the wrong approach at this time!

If there were a shred of truth to what the banksters are saying, the correct approach would be to say: "Fine. We'll take your money. No problem. But it's on OUR terms and not yours. 0% interest. Take this offer, or you Bankers be the ones responsible for contagion".

Which is a different way of saying F U. But a heck of a lot more profitable, and much better spin.

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 07:57 | 730172 OldTrooper
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Kinda like paying your bankruptcy lawyer with a credit card.  There's some appeal to it.

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 00:33 | 729824 caconhma
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At the end, like always, Germany will lose.

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 07:20 | 730155 M.B. Drapier
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Whatever about the Irish as a whole, our political leaders are craven. Watch them sign up to this piece of work.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 19:04 | 728734 myztix
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Looks like financials is the play for tomorrow.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 20:06 | 728931 Cleanclog
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Irish Times reported last week that when the Irish banks can find someone to "lend" to them as in buy bonds, it is at a rate of at least 8%.  Meanwhile, they lend mortgages at 5% so as not to have housing prices fall further.  

Really? A 300 bp differential the WRONG WAY?  And the ECB has been "supporting" the Irish banks and Irish bonds so the UK, French and German banks don't have to take losses on their bondholdings.  

So F-U taxpayers - the bondholders are saved and you get to foot the bill.  

The sequel will be coming to a theater near you soon enough.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 19:04 | 728739 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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Banksters blackmail.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 19:06 | 728744 John McCloy
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What happens when people tell the banksters to go fuck themselves and the world does not end? Check with Iceland.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 20:43 | 729041 JLee2027
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They are still owned by the banks...

15 NOV, 2010, 02.08AM IST,AGENCIES 

The International Monetary Fund said Sunday it planned to release the fifth installment of an Iceland aid package late this year or early next year, noting the country's economy was further stabilizing (bullshit).

Tue, 11/16/2010 - 01:55 | 729961 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Mishkin notes discrepancy: proper title is

IMF Plans Fresh Iceland Aid says Economy Instabilizing [sic]

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 19:06 | 728743 Bonesetter Brown
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So is the ECB's message basically, "Sovereigns, one-at-a-time now, please get under our thumb, so that when this finally blows containment, we will at least have as many of you under our thumb as possible to 'help us out' when we get there?"

Default is not the problem, default is the solution.


Mon, 11/15/2010 - 19:34 | 728828 zelter
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Default is not the problem, default is the solution.


I hope they really do it and save the whole of Europe while at it.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 19:45 | 728853 Rainman
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When/If the Irish hold a burn the mortgage party, Californicators can't be far behind. CMF crushed today.

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 21:02 | 729093 Orly
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Mon, 11/15/2010 - 19:07 | 728745 I am more equal...
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Take it or you have to eat Haggish.....yum

Mon, 11/15/2010 - 19:09 | 728751 goldmiddelfinger
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Haggis is the reason chickens have no lips.

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