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As Irish ECB Borrowings Surge, The Country's Bank Run Picks Up Speed

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Thu, 12/30/2010 - 13:42 | 837998 goldmiddelfinger
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2010: the year the revolution started

London Madrid

Palermo Moscow

Athens Dublin

Paris Rome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koa1B1ls2hg&feature=related

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koa1B1ls2hg&feature=related

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 13:46 | 838010 TexDenim
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"Irish GDP is about $170 billion"

You have to wonder if the Irish economy isn't about half that size, because financial transactions that have no real economic impact get mis-counted in these totals. Ireland is cooked. It needs a financial restructuring, not more rolled over debt.

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 14:04 | 838054 EscapeKey
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I'm more dubious of the American GDP, considering hedonics and imputations. No other country employs such blatantly fraudulent accounting tricks to boost GDP.

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 14:13 | 838078 Hephasteus
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Debt is always bigger than GDP in any country. Since the federal reserve BORROWED the gold it confiscated in 1933. It has to pay it back. Trick is FORCING congress to collect from the FED and issue the currency.

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 14:40 | 838138 pcrs
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yes, congress are a group of people who responsibly deal with money. If you start giving them YOUR money and leave it voluntary for me, I'll start chipping in when things are going in the right direction.

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 15:35 | 838250 dracos_ghost
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I'm more dubious of the American GDP, considering hedonics and imputations. No other country employs such blatantly fraudulent accounting tricks to boost GDP.

 

Except maybe China. You know, the country that doesn't even have a real currency(yuan = US food stamp) that everyone is gaga over.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6B527D20101206

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 14:08 | 838066 M.B. Drapier
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It's widely suggested that Ireland's debt/GNP may be more meaningful than its debt/GDP when it comes to the question of debt sustainability.

Fri, 12/31/2010 - 02:32 | 839118 Buck Johnson
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Your spot on, their economy isn't 170 billion more like 60 billion.  I didn't know that they borrowed more money after the 45 billion they where lended back in november.  This shines a light on the Western banking system being in a conspiracy of silence.  If you lend someone or something 45 billion dollars and within 40 days it needs at least 10 billion more, what will happen with the 45 billion dollars?  The prospect of getting any money back is almost nil.  This is another massive money pit, thats it.  How can a country of 3 to 5 million people be able to pay back not only the debt it has but the debt they borrowed to prop up the banks.

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 13:46 | 838012 SheepDog-One
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The bombs in Greece are blooming like madness in the spring.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcodegghjPA

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 14:42 | 838140 MachoMan
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can you please not post this in every thread...

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 15:23 | 838223 Horatio Beanblower
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False flag folly?

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 14:03 | 838050 Bam_Man
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Just in case anyone was wondering "Why do they insist on protecting senior bondholders?"

Answer: With senior bondholder "haircuts" come depositor "haircuts".

Reply: "But what about deposit insurance?"

Answer: "Don't make me laugh."

It seems as though Irish bank depositors have this one figured out and are acting accordingly. 

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 14:06 | 838060 topcallingtroll
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Ok even the troll is scared. Is civilization getting a little toppish right now? I'm calling it.

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 14:20 | 838102 TruthInSunshine
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Bulls make money!!!

Bears make money!!!

PIIGS get slaughtered!!!!!

 

Right, Jim Cramer and your "charitable trust?"

Fri, 12/31/2010 - 00:58 | 839066 twittering as s...
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"Jim Cramer and your "charitable trust"

 

up 26% for year.

 

and yours?

 

 

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 14:27 | 838114 Sinatra_98
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EURCHF to fresh all time highs day after day?

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 14:34 | 838127 VeloSpade
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That's it, I've had enough.  Can't take it any more.  I am going to go rape someone tonight.

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 14:49 | 838155 MachoMan
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Don't leave your underwear on the floor with your nametag in em.  (caught a guy that way...  tracked him to his mom's basement...  of course, he tried to rape a fiesty granny who grabbed his sack and started twisting and he got scared and ran away...  he had an icepack on his crotch when police arived).

Or, alternatively, when the decoy is in the driveway and motions you to come in, LEAVE THE CONDOMS AND MIKE'S HARD LEMONADE IN THE CAR!

Seriously though, there's no need to rape anyone...  you can just go to the meat market and bullshit a little around last call time and pick up someone...  I would suggest talking first about something superficial like some interesting made-up job you think he/she would like...  and then move on to talking about how you don't like your father...  you'll be a shoe-in.

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 15:39 | 838248 VeloSpade
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Thanks for the encouraging words, but just look at my face.  I have a ballsack for a chin and a perpetual pubic hairdo.  How am I going to score any chicks with that?

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 16:39 | 838397 MachoMan
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Can't catch anything but your hand in your mom's basement.  Get out and mingle.  Chris Farley got laid...  find a way.

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 14:45 | 838147 Future Jim
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Yesterday I withdrew $5,000 in cash from my local bank - mostly just to see what would happen. I go in there about once a year, so I don't think anyone could possibly have recognized me, and yet it went very smoothly from my perspective. I only had to speak to the clerk. I did not even have to show my ID. They had to open the vault, but that was no fuss. The clerk did have to make a quick call to a supervisor to get permission because $5,000 exceeded her personal limit, which makes sense from a purely business perspective. I wouldn't want just any of my employees handing out unlimited amounts of cash to their friends either. She said that she ws not allowed to tell what her limit was, which again makes perfect sense.

Now I realize that below the surface things were probably not so innocent. I am now probably in some government databases because of this withdrawal.

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 14:53 | 838161 MachoMan
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Try this at a branch and you'll get a raincheck...  I get the look of death for w/d $2k at a time...  but, I make those fuckers count every last small bill of it...  helps to go in at a non-busy time too.

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 14:59 | 838171 Lets Hang Parliament
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Please tell me you went straight round to the coin shop and bought some eagles!

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 15:48 | 838273 VeloSpade
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"I am now probably in some government databases because of this withdrawal."

You bet your ass you are.  Its called an SAR (Suspicious Activity Report).  I've had about 40 of them filed on me over the last 10 years.  I know because they are required to tell you after 5 years of filing them on you. 

Now if I show one hair on my ass in any financial transactions, the feds are on my ass like flies on shit.  Fuck me!

Fri, 12/31/2010 - 02:58 | 839128 glenlloyd
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Yes you are most likely, when I withdrew 5k they made me fill out a stinkin form they send to the govt. I'm not sure what the threshold is for a withdrawl though.

I called my bank a while back asking if there would be a problem with a 40k withdrawl and they said no, but I would have to speak to the teller super when I came in.

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 15:05 | 838176 PigsOnTheWing
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Run, Forest! Run!

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 15:13 | 838197 TruthInSunshine
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Just a counter-point, because they can be of some utility:

We have gone back and forth on 'money creation' for some time now.

While deflationists are in the distinct minority, most will acknowledge the clearly visible commodity inflation taking place (mostly as a result of speculative return chasing, due to low fixed income yields), while also standing firm on the notion that money is still being destroyed at a brisk clip.

I know ZH had an article a few weeks back that claimed the banks' shadow losses had been satisfied through the monetary ruses and tricks of The Fed's money creation scam, but only time will tell if that analysis is correct or complete because there is still much potential velocity in money destruction, in the form of asset-backed paper being marked down further, and via other causes.

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 16:04 | 838304 THE DORK OF CORK
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Most of the Irish government equity in banks is next - the ECB will claim seniority over this via their cash for mortgage collateral swap.

Most of their clients have been made whole as this prevented rollover of senior bank bonds and certain default.

Their policey is to reduce goverment deficits to 3% , preventing the excercise of national determination.

Yet they forget about the agreement to hold government debt below 60% - if this was exercised the Irish Goverment of 2007 (20% national debt) would have to default on the ECBs clients in the shadow bank sector.

The corruption from top to bottom in this stinking continent is beyond belief now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 16:38 | 838394 gwar5
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Bankers and Financiers have Not changed in 250 years

1750, Franklin:  "We have no poor houses in the Colonies; and if we had some, there would be nobody to put in them, since there is, in the Colonies, not a single unemployed person, neither beggars nor tramps. ....In the Colonies, we issue our own paper money. It is called 'Colonial Scrip.'  In this manner, creating ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power and we have no interest to pay to no one."

The information came to the knowledge of the English Bankers, and held their attention. They immediately took the necessary steps to prohibit the Colonies from using their scrip money, ... The first law was passed in 1751, and then completed by a more restrictive law in 1763. Franklin reported that one year after... the streets of the Colonies were filled with unemployment and beggars, just like in England. 

Franklin: "The Colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been the poverty caused by the bad influence of the English bankers on the Parliament, which has caused in the Colonies hatred of England and the Revolutionary War."

 

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 17:34 | 838525 cramers_tears
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The most fun I had recently was the recent acquisition of a business.  I immediately liquidated the BAC cash and requested it in PM.  Of course they wouldn't oblige but I made them give it to me in cash where it was whisked off to my regular tiny bank.  I could see they just hated that.

Hopefully everyone in Ireland is taking money out of the big banks and buying PM or Provisions.  I've started using Pre-1965 quarters in my 2 little bodegas.  I force them onto my customers when I give them their change.  I have a big chart behind the register that shows the current silver spot and each coins daily value. Today's price=$5.50.   I've put $10k face value into each store.   Kind of an experiment at this point but it is raising their awareness big-time.  I'm amazed at how many are opting in.  I figure I might as well get a jump on being a merchant in the hyperinflation age!  The customers told me this morning that the restaurant next door is taking them @ my daily rate.  Since he buys produce off me, I'm getting paid with them now.  I'm working on a little set of pliers that will clink off a gram of silver from a coin.  I'll let you know if the secret service shows up.

 

 

 

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 18:59 | 838650 Bearster
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Very cool.  I think it would be a great idea for everyone to think of ways to use gold and especially silver coins as money.  For example, I had been thinking to offer waiters a silver eagle for a tip, but unfortunately the price of silver has gone up so much in a year that this is way too generous now.

Anything to promote precious metals as money in ways that people will want to do is a step forward!

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 17:38 | 838528 cramers_tears
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The most fun I had recently was the recent acquisition of a business.  I immediately liquidated the BAC cash and requested it in PM.  Of course they wouldn't oblige but I made them give it to me in cash where it was whisked off to my regular tiny bank.  I could see they just hated that.

Hopefully everyone in Ireland is taking money out of the big banks and buying PM or Provisions.  I've started using Pre-1965 quarters in my 2 little bodegas.  I force them onto my customers when I give them their change.  I have a big chart behind the register that shows the current silver spot and each coins daily value. Today's price=$5.50.   I've put $10k face value into each store.   Kind of an experiment at this point but it is raising their awareness big-time.  I'm amazed at how many are opting in.  I figure I might as well get a jump on being a merchant in the hyperinflation age!  The customers told me this morning that the restaurant next door is taking them @ my daily rate.  Since he buys produce off me, I'm getting paid with them now.  I'm working on a little set of pliers that will clink off a gram of silver from a coin.  I'll let you know if the secret service shows up.

 

 

 

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 18:22 | 838614 greenewave
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Bank of America is a Public Disgrace and Should be PUT OUT OF BUSINESS!! The BANKING ELITE have cost TAXPAYERS TRILLIONS in FUTURE BAILOUT MEASURES and the AMERICAN PEOPLE are SUFFERING!

To find out more about the TRUTH of the recent MORTGAGE SCAM, watch the YouTube video “BANK OF AMERICA ~ A PUBLIC DISGRACE” at (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXDpOBOS94A).

Anonymous-

This is absolutely appalling and I am dumbfounded why the American people aren’t RIOTING in the STREETS as we speak. Thw civil and political unrest we’ve seen in Europe is without a doubt coming to the United States!

Bend over America and enjoy getting SCREWED by the BIGGEST BAILED OUT BANK in the Country!!

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 19:04 | 838652 indio007
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Only cash is redeemable in lawful money. Electronic credits are shit. Even the FDIC only promises FRN's. Everything appears convertible into FRN's but only FRN's are redeemable per 12 USC 411. Who knows what they will redeem in though. Probably their debased script commonly called coins. The PTB want the people as many steps removed as possible from something of intrinsic value.

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 20:38 | 838822 irishlink
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The Aussie and the Swissie are now the safe havens for the Irish. Even at these record levels people are buying, as they expect a Euro colapse or the dreaded two tier system. We have gone from the great fear for our money in the banks to total disilusioment with the " new reserve currency" 2011 could start with a lively exchange of ideas and rumours!

Thu, 12/30/2010 - 21:07 | 838855 M.B. Drapier
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Fun possible fact: that may not include deposits moved from "proper" Irish banks to RBS subsidiary Ulster Bank Ireland Ltd., which is regulated by the CBoI and is one of the country's big High Street banks.

Bonus alleged fact: Allied Irish Bank's 12,000 employees owe the bank an average of €250,000 each. (Source: the Irish /Daily Mail/.)

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