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Israel Deploys Three Nuclear Cruise Missile-Armed Subs Along Iranian Coastline
Even as futures are feeling buoyant as a result of the JPY drop following the collapse of the Japanese ruling coalition (which in itself will likely spell serious JGB troubles in the days ahead), Middle-east geopolitical issues have once resurfaced... or technically submerged as the case may be. The Sunday Times reports that "three German-built Israeli submarines equipped with nuclear cruise
missiles are to be deployed in the Gulf near the Iranian coastline." Presumably, this a defensive move: "The first has been sent in response to Israeli fears that ballistic
missiles developed by Iran, Syria and Hezbollah, a political and
military organisation in Lebanon, could hit sites in Israel, including
air bases and missile launchers. The submarines of Flotilla 7 — Dolphin, Tekuma and Leviathan — have
visited the Gulf before. But the decision has now been taken to ensure
a permanent presence of at least one of the vessels." We are not sure Iran will take the news with the required dose of stoic acceptance. But at least we now have confirmation that Israeli subs are not being used by the Obama administration as a means of delivering nuclear armaments to the continental shelf (unless this too, is another Criss Angelesque Emmanuel Rahm masterpiece).
More from the Times:
The flotilla’s commander, identified only as “Colonel O”, told an Israeli newspaper: “We are an underwater assault force. We’re operating deep and far, very far, from our borders.”
Each of the submarines has a crew of 35 to 50, commanded by a colonel capable of launching a nuclear cruise missile.
The vessels can remain at sea for about 50 days and stay submerged up to 1,150ft below the surface for at least a week. Some of the cruise missiles are equipped with the most advanced nuclear warheads in the Israeli arsenal.
The deployment is designed to act as a deterrent, gather intelligence and potentially to land Mossad agents. “We’re a solid base for collecting sensitive information, as we can stay for a long time in one place,” said a flotilla officer.
The submarines could be used if Iran continues its programme to produce a nuclear bomb. “The 1,500km range of the submarines’ cruise missiles can reach any target in Iran,” said a navy officer.
It now seems that the Middle East is dead set on repeating the recent submarine-centric Korean festivites pretty much verbatim. Iran's reaction is not all that surprising:
Apparently responding to the Israeli activity, an Iranian admiral said:
“Anyone who wishes to do an evil act in the Persian Gulf will receive a
forceful response from us.”
The most troubling thing is that events in the Persian Gulf are moving much faster and politicians risk to lose all control imminently: precisely the stuff market melt ups are not made of.
Israel’s urgent need to deter the Iran-Syria-Hezbollah alliance was demonstrated last month. Ehud Barak, the defence minister, was said to have shown President Barack Obama classified satellite images of a convoy of ballistic missiles leaving Syria on the way to Hezbollah in Lebanon.
Binyamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, will emphasise the danger to Obama in Washington this week.
Tel Aviv, Israel’s business and defence centre, remains the most threatened city in the world, said one expert. “There are more missiles per square foot targeting Tel Aviv than any other city,” he said.
If that is indeed the case, one wonders what the logic of an act such as this one reported by Wire Update is: "Reports say Israeli ships attack Gaza aid flotilla. At least several people were killed and scores of others were left injured after Israeli ships clashed with six ships carrying pro-Palestinian activists and aid for Gaza, according to news reports on early Monday." A livestream of the attack on Turkish aid ships in international water via CNN Turkey can be seen here.
Is Israel now actively seeking not only to wage war, but a two-fronted one at that? (did not work out too well last time this was attempted). We don't know, although with bizarro futures, where the ES reacts inversely to what fundamentals suggest, look for another 100 points S&P move higher even with US markets close, as the world inches one step closer to nuclear war.
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This is one way to get oil back to $150 a barrel.
ISRAEL = TERRORIST STATE
(Reuters) - Israeli commandos stormed a convoy of Gaza-bound aid ships on Monday and more than 10 of the mostly international activists aboard were killed, provoking a diplomatic crisis and Palestinian charges of a "massacre."
Israeli Commandos Kill as Many as 10-16 Aid Activists,wound over 50 as they Board, Capture Gaza Aid Flotilla
http://www.juancole.com/2010/05/israeli-commandos-kill-as-many-as-10-16-...
I wish I could unjunk this.
Kinda makes me wish one of those Israeli subs would find it's way to the bottom of the gulf.
Every ship to Gaza is an "Aid Ship". The aid typically consists of several tons of ordnance/munitions. Long before the "Aid Ship" arrives, Israel knows its last port of call, its manifest (reported/actual), and who is financing it.
If Israel was a terrorist state, they'd have long ago reduced Syria and Iran to rubble using nuclear weapons. Your statement is foolish.
They are attempting, within their means, to create a MAD defensive structure that ensures, in the event of a nuclear/biological attack against their population, that something survives to rain ruination on the heads of the offending party(ies). It probably means they have decided against a pre-emptive strike, which some game-theorists say would spark WWIII.
I hope they have made the right decision. Arabs supply us with oil. That is all. Nothing else, not so much as a nifty new-fangled zipper comes out of the Middle East. I spent 3 months in Saudi Arabia designing optical cable constructions for a push to modernize their infrastructure. The first country I landed in on the way home was Switzerland. I made like the Pope and kissed the ground on the tarmac. Even the flies in Saudi Arabia are bloated, lazy, and offended when you wave them away.
I worked in a Syrian-owned cable facility in Riyadh---Riyadh Telephone Cables (RTC). There was a hole out back to relieve yourself into. The only people doing work were Indians and Pakistanis. The whole country prays 8 times a day and has no time for self-improvement of any sort. They are too busy hating the West and Israel. I never saw a woman's face for all the time I was there. Pure Hell on Earth. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.
What does Saudi Arabia have to do with Iran again? MAD would be in place if Iran obtained nukes, Israel already has missiles that can reach Iran, the subs are there to provoke them... The rest of your comment is even more ignorant.
Israel is trying to starve the people in Gaza to death because they elected Hamas. Democracy is not always desirable...
Oh, blow me, asshole. Go to Saudi Arabia and see for yourself what kind of hell they've made for themselves. Go to any ME country and see for yourself. Then consider what it's like in Persia. A thousand times worse.
Nicely played, sir. Can't sufficiently present a coherent argument or debate, resort to sexual innuendo and name-calling. I suppose that is the entire first page of your personal rule book.
Yes, I see. Persia (Tehran) is a thousand times worse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmVvKRm9JdU
Amazing. Thanks for the link.
That puts the USA and Israel on the UNCIVILISED list !
They wish to destroy that !
This proposed war is an attack by the Rothschilds and their lackeys for refusing to pay rent via the central banking scams in exactly the same way the Jews declared war on Germany in 1933.
http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11580.
Scroll down to see copy front page Daily Express of 1933.
This is history repeating itself.
unjunked
desgust, i junked you so you wont feel left out.
Thank me by remembering me in your will.
LOL
Every ship to Gaza is an "Aid Ship".
Yes, they are. And that is all that they are.
The aid typically consists of several tons of ordnance/munitions. Long before the "Aid Ship" arrives, Israel knows its last port of call, its manifest (reported/actual), and who is financing it.
Absolute Bovine Excrement. Long before the ships leave Cypress, Greece, the ships cargoes are inspected and Israel can call upon these manifests quite easily, even if they didn't want to rely on the copies kept on board the ship during it's sail. The goal, by Israel, is to further starve Palestinians and impose draconian sanctions.
This is not the first time Israel has attacked aid ships on their way to Gaza. In December, 2008, Israel did something similar to the boat that Cynthia McKinney was aboard where the Israeli military attacked and rammed that boat as it was on it's way to deliver aid to Gaza.
And just so you know, a lot of what is on those aid ships consists of food, medical supplies and building materials (to rebuild what Israel constantly destroys). For some odd reason, fueled by ignorance, you "believe" that the ships are loaded with weapons. WMDs? Ha, ha, ha. Please. What's next? The flotilla has ties to AL-CIA-Duh?
Also, let me point out that Israel has no right to board or attack a foreign flagged ship in international waters. Period. Any ship at sea in international waters, when confronted with a potential act of piracy or an act of war, has a right to defend itself.
If Israel was a terrorist state, they'd have long ago reduced Syria and Iran to rubble using nuclear weapons.
That don't need to use nuclear weapons to do that. Israel has, many times, attacked Syria (last time was Sept., 2007) and is constantly threatening Iran. That is, by definition, "terrorism".
Arabs supply us with oil. That is all. Nothing else, not so much as a nifty new-fangled zipper comes out of the Middle East. I spent 3 months in Saudi Arabia designing optical cable constructions for a push to modernize their infrastructure. The first country I landed in on the way home was Switzerland. I made like the Pope and kissed the ground on the tarmac. Even the flies in Saudi Arabia are bloated, lazy, and offended when you wave them away.
Thank you for sharing with us, your hatred of Arabs. And as far as oil is concerned, I can see that you're quite happy in consuming it. Next time, don't use a plane or a motorized vehicle as transportation and see how well you manage. Should those who supply your oil and (according to you) nothing else, should no longer supply it, I'd think you'd be in a zero-sum game. Think about that for a while.
I worked in a Syrian-owned cable facility in Riyadh---Riyadh Telephone Cables (RTC). There was a hole out back to relieve yourself into. The only people doing work were Indians and Pakistanis. The whole country prays 8 times a day and has no time for self-improvement of any sort. They are too busy hating the West and Israel.
Then why did you accept the job? Gun to your head? According to what you wrote, East Indians and Pakistanis were the only ones doing the work anyway.
I find your whole rant amazingly contradictory, yet you gladly accepted employment, and worked with, those whom you despise so greatly. What a farce. Then you share it with us as though we should be as equally as disgusted. I'm laughing AT you.
If you want freedom to speak your ignorance freely, then go create your own site where you can drag your knuckles freely. For it is you that, seemingly, has no time for self-improvement of any sort.
This person obviously reads too much Tom Clancy.
Calm down there Jack Ryan.
Totally agree with your sentiments about Arabs and the ME for that matter. But that does not change the fact that Israelis entered their land (Palestine) with rifles and a book that said, "We lived here 2000 years ago." So, "Fuck off and get out of your houses and olive groves before we kill you and start !bulldozing !" .......Actions that they then proceeded to carry out.
The Israeli Jews had no Title Deeds to anything at all and are now claiming legitimacy for actions that lack legitimacy at the core. For that reason alone I can't see how you can support them.
Dick Cheney would be proud !!!!!!!!!!!!
Live stream.
How do they know they were Israelis firing at the ships?
I'm guessing because the commandos doing the shooting came from Israeli Naval vessels and helicopters. Add that to the fact that Israel has been in the media threatening to use force to stop the aid ships and the question becomes who else would have been firing at them before Israel took control of the ships?
Thank you. I had not been following the story until your post took me to the FT. Thanks you again.
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I wonder how much of the "aid" included weapons, rockets, bombs, etc? I'm sure HAMAS would NEVER use civilan aid as a cover for weapons resupply!
Of course this tactic has been used by many over the ages.
true enough but if so they are fools for they would be psychotically delusional to have weapons on board knowing that there is a near 100% chance the israelis would stop them and seize the cargo. of course, like many of a truly failed drug bust, there may be "evidence" found that in fact came from the "police" not the "perps".
Could be they will find Iraqui WMDs. Quick, Call Colin Powell.
twice unjunked
True Tutter
Here is the list of permitted and banned items (pdf). How do you blow something up with sage?
And, as I mentioned somewhere else, up until 6 weeks ago, shoes were on the banned list.
Coverage in Israel
Maybe sage fools the dogs... Maybe if you're bringing in "sage" they want an excuse to further examine your bags/items and whatever else you are bringing in to the country because the odiferousness of the herb helps hide the scent of other items.
It's why I always pack my blow in a container of peanut butter when I go travelling. (I wonder if that urban myth actually works - I'd love to see Mythbusters do that one at LAX).
Maybe sage fools the dogs... Maybe if you're bringing in "sage" they want an excuse to further examine your bags/items and whatever else you are bringing in to the country because the odiferousness of the herb helps hide the scent of other items.
It's why I always pack my blow in a container of peanut butter when I go travelling. (I wonder if that urban myth actually works - I'd love to see Mythbusters do that one at LAX).
Was wondering the same thing and trying to figure out route and trans-shipments. Detonating an ammo ship is so spectacular. But better to get the rockets before they get deployed in the cities.
- Ned
{oh, btw, "this place sucks"}
Perhaps because it was a successful operation?
Here is an article from the FT laying out how the confrontation arode:
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d79a533e-6bf0-11df-86c5-00144feab49a.html
Can't read it without logging in but I'm sure it doesn't have anything new. This has been building for the past week so it shouldn't surprise anyone (maybe the MSM sheeple). I figured Israel would board the ships (possibly damaging them first like in the past) and arrest the passengers, but I didn't think they would kill anyone (that doesn't mean I'm surprised).
nyt (israel's friend) reports at least 14 dead.
If Iran wants a nuke, now's their chance. Just hire some Somali pirates to hijack one of those subs.
Pshahw. (No pun intended.) Cut out the middle men! They can get them direct from the Israelis.
This just came out:
Reports: Israeli ships attack aid flotilla, 2 deadhttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100531/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians
Israeli TV now says 10 dead.
from AFP. Hmm
Likely story. Consider the sources: al-Jazeera, Turkish NTV, ZH.
Well, it's all over Israeli TV right now so I'm not sure who would be coordinating all these middle-eastern news outlets. The footage they're showing doesn't appear staged to me.
haaretz.com coverage - ynetnews.com coverage - jpost.com coverage
The truth:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/137780
The agitprop:
http://arabnews.com/opinion/article59513.ece
Thanks. That is some funny shit! It's a very good sign that the propaganda is now only aimed at the lowest common denominator (grown-ups with the minds of children). I guess it's not worth their effort since they were unable to kill one of the satellite feeds that captured the event. Governments hate the internet.
I can't wait to see how the MSM deals with this one. The only way it could get worse for the statists in Israel is if it turns out that any of the more well known passengers (e.g.; Hedy Epstein, Edward Peck, Joe Meadors, Ann Wright, etc.) are among the dead/wounded.
WSJ is carrying the story. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703703704575277632709673018.html?mod=WSJ_World_LEFTSecondNews
Also interesting from yesterday is a video entitled "US Says Iran Arms Afghan Militants", with part of the caption reading "US General Stanley McChrystal says Afghan insurgents are being trained inside Iran and given weapons to fight security forces." Love the timing. http://online.wsj.com/video/us-says-iran-arms-afghan-militants/71D335B1-C1C3-4A82-BF44-DAB1D7A0EE37.html?mod=WSJ_Article_Videocarousel_2
Yea, I read that too. It seems like propaganda machine is gearing up for a new conflict.
We'd be so lucky to replace CNN or FOX with Al-jazeera.
Americans think Al-jazeera is somekind of terrorist news media. They have no clue that Al-jazeera is one of the LAST real news gathering organizations left in the world with far more objective coverage of events than our own tabloid American pathetic news media. Walter Cronkite would have worked for them in a heart beat. You can pick them up if you live near a Canadian broadcaster, seems at least the Canadians are not afraid of the truth as the American media and government seems to have fears of. Also the internet, but I don't know the www id.
Now...is there some relationship we are not seeing with regard to the Gulf oil crimes?
http://english.aljazeera.net/
who owns al jazeera?
http://www.outlawjournalism.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3727&sid=98e515b21...
al-Thani does.
stop linking bullshit sites.
you only make it harder to accept what you have to say.
According to the report cited, Israelis would only use force if lives threatened. I'm sure a PEACEFULL BOAT OF HAMAS SUPPORTERS wouldn't have anyone threaten Israeli soldiers to be a marter for the cause would they?
There will be a regime change in Iran to ensure Iranian oil is priced in dollars once again.
attacking ships carrying humanitarian aid. stupid.
I guess Israel decided that allowing shoes into the Gaza Strip was enough.
Palestinians might decide to use shoes as projectiles
Oh, come on - everyone knows it's not genocide if the nazis wear stars instead of crosses...
The problem with Israel is that it keeps treating the Palestinians as if they were Jews.
???, ?????!
LOL
"attacking ships carrying humanitarian aid. stupid."
Serf: The Israelis Say:
"You are just a pawn in this game... move where you are told."
Don't be offended... The Israelis tell Obummer the same thing...
How do you say fuck off in hebrew?
Lekh teda!
Hmm, according to insults.net is lech lehizdayen - either way:
Zahav, zonaot!
That's because we live in the U.S.I.
Well, gold's going straight up at this moment, if that means anything. And the story is that the U.S./Israeli administration has attacked pro-Palestinian ships...
The story claims that these subs are nuclear-armed. What does this do to 'Israel' and its policy of "nuclear ambiguity", given recent calls for it to submit to the NPT and IAEA inspections (both of which it has refused to do)?
Nuclear-armed states who are not signatories to the NNPT are prohibited from receiving US aid and military technology transfer (the fabled Symington Amendment that US political parasites have ignored since Vanunu's disclosures about Dimona). Take US aid off the Israeli economy, and the only thing it has left is blackmail of foreign politicians (and hate) as its major exports.
The fact that 'Israel' attacked an aid convoy in international waters... well, apart from being typical behaviour to be expected of those who cry "Gott Mit Uns"... it's also an act of war against the states under whose flags the ships sailed.
Turkey has already 'called in' the ambassador for 'Israel' in Ankara - but that is just the sort of stupid kabuki that politicians and political correspondents thinks lends 'gravitas' to diplomatic charades.
And of course anyone who holds opinions such as these (that international law applies even to those who claim to have been declared das Herrenvolk by some genocidal Sky Wizard) are nasty anti-Semites... despite that fact of Sheitan-Yahoo and his merry band being closer ethno-racially to the Teutonic Nazis whose methods they have adopted).
I would hope that the entire region got nuked, except for all those innocent Palestinian civilian (nobody who forms part of the population of any Occupying Power is innocent: they should vote with their feet and go back to Eastern Europe where they came from).
Cheerio
GT
You're right...those Palestinian kids should stop throwing rocks.
As opposed to the HAMAS folks in GAZA that continue to fire rockets at school buildings. Your post is past lame or stupid. Do you even read/listen to news?
Yes I know Israel's hands aren't fully clean either but come on -- join the reality.
You're also right...it was a lame response to another lame post suggesting that the Israeli Zionist regime (not to be confused with any actual peace loving Israeli's) wants peace.
Guess you missed the news about Gaza invasion - and it's their missiles which are precision guided, not the Palestinian balistic rockets.
Israely hands aren't fully clean? ROLFLMAO. I guess they did not teach you about USS Liberty in school:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
nice blokes, they have nukes aimed at europe too. this guy looks like he is barely able to refrain from assuming his reptilian form: http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php?279915-Israel-s-nukes-are-aimed...
some israeli false flag attacks:
http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/911/falseflag.htm
That is very true. I am sure they will start firing rockets like crazy again until Israel is forced to go back in again.
And if you stopped posting you wouldn't sound like a complete idiot.
(this is in response to Spitzer)
Who said anyone should put down their weapons?
Why not just lower the rhetoric.
Just there have been as many Arabs and non-Jewish Semitic peoples exterminated in the past hundred years as Jews.
Looks to me like somebody just got the idea that they should fit their scapegoats with claws and place bets on the winner.
You mean, these kids would put forth another "Holocaust"
This picture I wont paste just because its not for those with a weak stomach; but click the link.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/headline9637e7.jpg
If you think that any sound Israeli takes some joy in the death of a child then you are a sick individual. Every decent human being on this Planet must do everything in their power to mitigate violence and stop the loss of innocent lives.
Prayers for all the children killed in conflicts worldwide.
P.S. I also strongly advise you to not post pictures of the dead.
To Israel the only people are "the chosen people". The rest are goys and when dealing with goys no action is forbidden. YHWH told them so via the Talmud. They hold YHWHs word. They act upon it.
FYI
I could not care less for what you have to say to me; you are a cockroach, pure and simple.
I don't care how you (and they) rationalize killing Children Adam. And fuck your prayers.
Cheeky, as veterans of war in its totality it is always good to be reminded of what war is all about. This is Memorial Day here in the US and as we are both 100% war disabled, from differing perspectives, our friendship is premised on the ground we share, now. And our respect for the ground we still seek to. After all, when it all gets boiled down war is about the innocent that are stripped of innocence in the worst way. I salute you fellow of fallen innocence! Thank you for your timely reminder. The innocent must never be forgotten or hushed away!!!!
La Haim!
+100
Like I said above, come on - everyone knows it's not genocide if the nazis wear stars instead of crosses.
A lot of them flags must be flags of convenience. Besides, in the US, the point of view that some have a legitimate right to self defense when attacked and others dont is widely held.
Genocidal Sky Wizard? Freakin' A dude, Yahweh For The Win. Don't tell me you actually sat down and read the Old Testament with, like an open mind and critical thinking? You're not supposed to do that, just turns it into a laugh fest...oh and don't forget the burnt offering or I smite your ass.
Read, irony. haha it's certainly not lost on me
I know.. I thought the same thing.. like gideon bibles being printed in afghanistan or something..
Hooters T-Shirts made in Saudi Arabia?
And the torpedo that sunk the S.Korean boat was German made
hmmmmm
Didn't we just send Carrier Strike Group 10 to the Persian Gulf?
By July or August the Pentagon plans to have at least 4 or 5 US aircraft carriers visible from Iranian shores."
Visible? Probably not--Silkworms etc. Really crowded there and tough to keep the Kilos out of the boxes. I'd hate to try to deconflict Blue-Green "unknown" subs. Imagine Truman getting a Kilo popup in SoH (or worse, blocking the Straights).
edit. China did the popup a while ago--embarrasing to say the least.
- Ned
Damn Asian drivers. ;)
Well, fuck, I'm sorry now that I trusted in the Israelis to be even moderately rational.
I guess they were so humiliated by the loss against Hezbollah that they crave some more.
This is a clear case of state-sponsored piracy. Just because they're more sophisticated than MEND or the Somalis and have US backing makes it no less morally abhorrent.
My conscientious objector case is air-tight. How will those Obamanauts fare? After all, P-Krug and Galbraith Junior would argue that a good war will stimulate the economy.
Can Christopher Hitchens please be deployed to the front lines on this one?
"Well, fuck..."
HEY HEY HEY Apostate
Watch the funckin' mouth. Fuck, this is a fuckin' family blog....
BTW: Hitchens will need a new liver before we can send him any where... He is mighty puffy these days and that isn't water in that coffee cup during most appearances...
"The Trial of Henry Kissinger" all time classic...
'P-Krug'...love it! Big pimpin' his Nobel on a gold chain, yo!
The Corbett Report www.corbettreport.com
has a report on the 2010 Bilderburg Agenda. Iran will be just a distraction. The goal is to get Russia.
I'm sure thats going to work out just swell.
The last time the "Allies" tried to "get Russia" (or prevent Germany and Russia forming a titanic axis) we had WW2.
Seriously , this World is run by complete fktards. Geopolitics is a game to these meglaomaniacs.
Holy Land , left-right , Muslim-Christian , its all a sideshow , massive divide and conquer game of Monopoly.
"hey Putin , you landed on Georgia , i own that with 2 pipelines , that'll be 5mil in rent please"
Money and power , power and money. They dont give 2 phucks about all this whitenoise over religion and ideologies.
Exactly. Most people don't understand that this is all one big game and everything else is just a distraction. It will take one big black swan (wait, is that a pelican drenched in GoM water?) to change things.
Give the Israelis a break. Those subs just returned all the way from the sea of Japan and are now just being positioned to false flag a U.S. aircraft carrier. Attacking a peace flotilla delivering aid to besieged Gazans is justified because of Isreal's special right to defend itself from the evil Palestinians due to the Holocaust committed in Europe by Nazi's 70 years ago.
Holocaust that was inspired and desired by Zionist Jewish leaders of the time, don't forget!
Shhhh! That's supposed to be a secret.
Hadn't heard of that one before. Care to provide links/research to this claim? Thanks in advance.
Check them here, it's kosher ;):
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/israel-deploys-three-nuclear-cruise-mis...
+1
"All countries mock each other. All are right."
Arthur Schopenhauer
Best quote from Arthur Schopenhauer ...."We forfeit three-fourths of ourselves to be like other people."
In relation to the Jews isn't it remarkable how a small group of people in the vast turbulent oceans of time has survived with their beliefs and traditions ? And guess what ? They will continue to do so !
Hot Damn. War is EXACTLY what I need. This is huge bonus. Gold will get pumped up first with more WAR and then with the demolition of the Euro. Remember the code guys: Short the hell out of gold just before the Euro implodes. And then buy it like crazy when its back down to $500. Pump and dump...thats modern civilization in the 21st century.
Dude, seriously? War is EXACTLY what you need? I wonder how good you'd feel making those trades if you or your family were in the line of fire. I really hope you are just being flippant.
Ya. You should give him some war. Chop his arms off and wave them around and go Jazz Hands!!!!
Then slap him around with his arms and go. Stop hitting yourself, stop hitting yourself.
Come on man he NEEDS IT.
the lion probably can't actually start a war, but your suggestions applied to those that can, do and will (it is, after all, an election year) would go a good way in redressing some long-standing grievances.
There is nothing I can do about the state of the world. Oh I want to buy gold alright. But not at $1200. Thats above the cost of production today. So Burn World Burn. Just please pump gold up to $2000 so I can get short. This is it folks. Euroland hangs by a thread and the chinese are overextended. The time for war is now. Then after a little fireworks, the Euro must be destroyed. Its the only way the US centric Ponzi can continue.
There is no way for the US centric ponzi scheme to continue.
We're going down. No exceptions. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Rule 34 there will be porn made of it.
Um, I think he was being sarcastic. I understood his point well. He was saying how fucked up this world is today to have engrained in them that only wars end recessions. I have actually had folks say that to my face with no hint of sarcasm -- "Yes, we need a war to fix everything."
I get the sarcasm part...and if you read my post completely you'd see the last part where I ask if he's being flippant. My point is that his attempt at humor was in the least in poor taste.
Talk about irony impairment, dude...
Really, how rude of me? Suggesting he should re-think his humor when it comes to a cheerleading for a war were innocent people will die so he could make a profit. What would be ironic is if his family is the first to die in the event of that war. How's that for ironic dude?
Lighten up, Francis.
mind your business dick
That's ok, I support your concern, and probably so does he.
Israel is in a bad situation - I dont blame them for using some common sense when dealing with Hamas and them. If Hamas and the other nuts had Israel's power - Israel surely wouldnt exist right now.
Israel Gov. Today = Neo-Nazi.
(er, just Nazi, judging from events)
Abuse of the father abuses the son.
Freud's idea. Tested and true.
Don't these guys feel REALLY ugly,
just looking in mirror ????
The Israeli navy attacked an aid flotilla carrying hundreds of activists including European members of Parliament early Monday morning, news agencies reported.
At least 10 members of the flotilla of ships carrying hundreds of activists and humanitarian aid supplies to Gaza were killed in clashes with Israeli naval forces
Dan Williams,
Jerusalem — Reuters and Associated Press Published on Sunday, May. 30, 2010 11:52PM EDT Last updated on Monday, May. 31, 2010 2:03AM EDT
About 15 people were killed on Monday when the Israeli navy intercepted ships carrying aid and pro-Palestinian activists toward the Gaza Strip, Israel’s private Channel 10 television said.
As a diplomatic furor took shape, especially with long-time Muslim ally Turkey whose flag some of the ships were flying, an Israeli minister said: “The images are certainly not pleasant. I can only voice regret at all the fatalities.”
Israeli Trade Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer gave no details of what Channel 10 said were 14 to 16 deaths. But he told Israel’s Army Radio: “I can also understand ... how soldiers are coming down and are set upon with batons and tools.
“The moment someone tries to snatch your weapon, to steal your weapons, that’s where you begin to lose control.”
France24 television aired video of a woman in a Muslim headdress holding a stretcher with a large bloodstain on it. Below her lay a man, apparently injured, in a blanket.
CNN showed pictures of a commando apparently rappelling down a rope and clashing with a man wielding a stick. Other TV images showed what appeared to be rubber boarding launches.
The bloodshed thwarted Israel’s hopes of avoiding casualties – which could hurt its diplomatic relations, especially with Turkey, where media reported ministers were meeting. Israel’s Western allies have also been critical of its Gaza embargo.
Turkey said it “strongly protested” against the military action, calling the interception of the ships unacceptable and cautioning in a statement issued by its Foreign Ministry that “Israel will have to endure the consequences of this behaviour”.
Turkish television stations say police have blocked dozens of stone-throwing protesters who tried to storm the Israeli consulate in Istanbul after reports of the attack on the flotilla. CNN-Turk and NTV televisions show dozens of angry protesters scuffling with Turkish police, guarding the consulate in downtown Istanbul.
Israel has said it was absolutely determined to maintain its blockade of the Islamist-controlled Palestinian territory of 1.5 million, citing fears that arms supplies could reach Hamas by sea. It has previously halted such activist ships, although some others have reached Gaza before.
Greta Berlin, a spokeswoman for the Free Gaza Movement that organized the convoy said she was told of 10 dead by an Israeli lawyer for the group but had had no contact with the ships.
“How could the Israeli military attack civilians like this?” she said. “Do they think that because they can attack Palestinians indiscriminately they can attack anyone?
“We have two other boats. This is not going to stop us.”
Israeli media said some marine commandoes were slightly hurt. Captured ships were sailing toward Israel’s southern Mediterranean port of Ashdod, media said.
The convoy set off in international waters off Cyprus on Sunday in defiance of an Israeli-led blockade of the Gaza Strip and warnings that it would be intercepted.
The flotilla was organized, among others, by a Turkish human rights organization. Turkey had urged Israel to allow it safe passage and said the 10,000 tonnes of aid the convoy was carrying was humanitarian.
Turkey, long Israel’s best Muslim friend and a key ally in a hostile Middle East, was highly critical of Israel’s attack on Gaza 18 months ago, in which 1,400 Palestinians were killed.
Relations between the two states are now distinctly chilly and bloodshed at sea will do nothing to improve them.
The United Nations and Western powers have urged Israel to ease its restrictions on Gaza to prevent a humanitarian crisis. They have been urging Israel to let in concrete and steel to allow for postwar reconstruction.
Israel denies there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, saying food, medicine and medical equipment are allowed in regularly. It says the restrictions are necessary to prevent weapons and materials that could be used to make them from reaching Hamas.
in reply to greta berlin's question 'do the israelis think because they can attack palestinians indiscriminately, they can attack anyone?' i have to answer no. israel (and the u.s. under at least the current administration and possibly the prior) believe they can kill anyone, anywhere for whatever reason they posit with no preconditions such as being able to attack palestinians indiscriminately. in "the land of the free" it is so stated in press releases and also brooks no appeal. nice.
Dan Williams,
Jerusalem — Reuters and Associated Press Published on Sunday, May. 30, 2010 11:52PM EDT Last updated on Monday, May. 31, 2010 2:03AM EDT
About 15 people were killed on Monday when the Israeli navy intercepted ships carrying aid and pro-Palestinian activists toward the Gaza Strip, Israel’s private Channel 10 television said.
As a diplomatic furor took shape, especially with long-time Muslim ally Turkey whose flag some of the ships were flying, an Israeli minister said: “The images are certainly not pleasant. I can only voice regret at all the fatalities.”
Israeli Trade Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer gave no details of what Channel 10 said were 14 to 16 deaths. But he told Israel’s Army Radio: “I can also understand ... how soldiers are coming down and are set upon with batons and tools.
“The moment someone tries to snatch your weapon, to steal your weapons, that’s where you begin to lose control.”
France24 television aired video of a woman in a Muslim headdress holding a stretcher with a large bloodstain on it. Below her lay a man, apparently injured, in a blanket.
CNN showed pictures of a commando apparently rappelling down a rope and clashing with a man wielding a stick. Other TV images showed what appeared to be rubber boarding launches.
The bloodshed thwarted Israel’s hopes of avoiding casualties – which could hurt its diplomatic relations, especially with Turkey, where media reported ministers were meeting. Israel’s Western allies have also been critical of its Gaza embargo.
Turkey said it “strongly protested” against the military action, calling the interception of the ships unacceptable and cautioning in a statement issued by its Foreign Ministry that “Israel will have to endure the consequences of this behaviour”.
Turkish television stations say police have blocked dozens of stone-throwing protesters who tried to storm the Israeli consulate in Istanbul after reports of the attack on the flotilla. CNN-Turk and NTV televisions show dozens of angry protesters scuffling with Turkish police, guarding the consulate in downtown Istanbul.
Israel has said it was absolutely determined to maintain its blockade of the Islamist-controlled Palestinian territory of 1.5 million, citing fears that arms supplies could reach Hamas by sea. It has previously halted such activist ships, although some others have reached Gaza before.
Greta Berlin, a spokeswoman for the Free Gaza Movement that organized the convoy said she was told of 10 dead by an Israeli lawyer for the group but had had no contact with the ships.
“How could the Israeli military attack civilians like this?” she said. “Do they think that because they can attack Palestinians indiscriminately they can attack anyone?
“We have two other boats. This is not going to stop us.”
Israeli media said some marine commandoes were slightly hurt. Captured ships were sailing toward Israel’s southern Mediterranean port of Ashdod, media said.
The convoy set off in international waters off Cyprus on Sunday in defiance of an Israeli-led blockade of the Gaza Strip and warnings that it would be intercepted.
The flotilla was organized, among others, by a Turkish human rights organization. Turkey had urged Israel to allow it safe passage and said the 10,000 tonnes of aid the convoy was carrying was humanitarian.
Turkey, long Israel’s best Muslim friend and a key ally in a hostile Middle East, was highly critical of Israel’s attack on Gaza 18 months ago, in which 1,400 Palestinians were killed.
Relations between the two states are now distinctly chilly and bloodshed at sea will do nothing to improve them.
The United Nations and Western powers have urged Israel to ease its restrictions on Gaza to prevent a humanitarian crisis. They have been urging Israel to let in concrete and steel to allow for postwar reconstruction.
Israel denies there is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza, saying food, medicine and medical equipment are allowed in regularly. It says the restrictions are necessary to prevent weapons and materials that could be used to make them from reaching Hamas.
THEY BOARDED AID/MERCY SHIPS
ARMED WITH PLENTY OF AUTOMATIC WEAPONS. THE PASSENGERS OF THE
AID SHIPS HAD STICKS AND KNIVES FROM THE SHIP KITCHEN,
not a single firearm ,nor a single bullet was on any of the aid/mercy ships,
IS IT A BIT PAST TIME TO DUMP SOME OF
OUR "CLOSEST ALLIES" ?????????
As always, the ones responsible of this fake humanitarian operation will remain in the shadows, exstatic to hear that their so called brothers got massacred in a media frenzy!
disinfo will not change the facts, watch the
WORLD witness this and have a
deep REALITY CHECK !!!!!!!!!!!
It's not genocide if Israel does it.
The six-ship flotilla left international waters off the coast of Cyprus on Sunday and was expected to arrive in Gaza later on Monday.
Israel had said it would stop the boats, calling the campaign a "provocation intended to delegitimise Israel".
SELF-DELEGITIMISED , ACCOMPLISHED !!!
the Israeli army says.
More than 10 people have been killed after Israeli commandos stormed a convoy of ships carrying aid to the Gaza Strip, the Israeli army says.
Armed forces boarded the vessels overnight, clashing with some of the 600 protesters on board.
The incident happened about 40 miles (64 km) out to sea, in international waters.
The ships are carrying 10,000 tonnes of aid to try to break a long-standing Israeli-led blockade.
Israel says when its soldiers boarded they were attacked by the activists with knives, one of whom grabbed a soldier's gun.
"The people on the boats were very, very violent toward the soldiers," Israeli military spokeswoman Lt Col Avital Leibovich was quoted by AFP news agency as saying.
Organisers of the flotilla said at least 30 people were wounded in the incident. Israel says four of its officers were injured.
SELF-DELEGITIMISED , ACCOMPLISHED !!!
This will definetly hurt the Israeli distribution of ecstasy in Las Vegas and other cities in America.
There is a quite well-known photo of Rachel Corrie taken in the week before her unfortunate death in Gaza. She is wearing black and is looking up to the sky burning a mock American flag. The expression on her face is full of twisted pain and torment. The satanic-cult like pose is being watched by young children around her. If you look carefully at the scene you will notice that the children are embarrased by her actions and are actually looking away. Never underestimate the wisdom of children...
Rachel Corrie was a disturbed individual with a poorly formed worldview and terribly naiive political philosophy. She placed herself in a very dangerous position. She was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
"Rachel Corrie was a disturbed individual with a poorly formed worldview and terribly naiive political philosophy."
Not to be confused with the guy who crushed her slo-mo under those dozer tracks.
Awesome comment. That's my kind of observation about all of this crap. Kinda funny the role perspective plays in all of this.
Maybe Arizona should consider hiring these guys?
http://www.infowars.com/holocaust-denied/
http://www.infowars.com/rachel-corrie’s-family-bring-civil-suit-over-human-shield’s-death-in-gaza/
http://www.truthtellers.org/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpTXHhMa_YQ
Spokesperson for EU's foreign policy chief
High Representative Catherine Ashton expresses her deep regret at the news of loss of life and violence and extends her sympathies to families of the dead and wounded.
On behalf of the European Union she demands a full enquiry about the circumstances in which this happened.
The continued policy of closure is unacceptable and politically counter-productive. She calls for an immediate, sustained and unconditional opening of the crossing for the flow of humanitarian aid, commercial goods and persons to and from Gaza.
Of course it is generally accepted that any official from the EU is about to made redundant. Unless the EU manages to hang on even as the EMU collapses...
In Gaza, the enforced starvation and denial of humanitarian aid, the piracy of life-giving resources such as fuel and water, the denial of medicines and treatment, the systematic destruction of infrastructure and the killing and maiming of the civilian population, 50 per cent of whom are children, meet the international standard of the Genocide Convention. "Is it an irresponsible overstatement," asked Richard Falk, the United Nations Special Rapporteur for Human Rights in the Occupied Palestinian Territory and international law authority at Princeton University, "to associate the treatment of Palestinians with this criminalized Nazi record of collective atrocity? I think not."
Looks like the so-called peace flotilla was nothing of the sort. The intention of various organisers and participants was to turn this into a military operation. The goods to be delivered were a distraction and decoy. Cool heads must prevail right now. I hope and trust that the Israeli leaders and their counterparts in neighbouring countries make the right decisions in the coming hours and days. Hamas should not be calling for an uprising in this current climate. If they want things to spiral out of control they will come off second best.
P.S. For all the anti-Israel people out there, did you know that Israel has been delivering fifteen thousand tonnes of goods every week into Gaza for more than a year now ? Did you know that pistols and knives were at the ready for the boarding party ? Did you know this happened only 17 kms offshore ? Did you also know that recently the daughter of a leading Hamas leader was rushed to Jordan with the help of Israeli physicians ? Did you know that Egypt is building a border wall with the Gaza Strip ? Did you know that the shops in Gaza are overflowing with goods ? Did you know that rockets continue to be fired on the south of Israel from Gaza ? Balance and perspective escapes many.
There are good & bad in all creeds though a guilty conscience needs no accuser
It is true that we are all G-d's children but there must be some sort of management structure in place to deal with everyone. The complexity of Middle East politics is beyond most people's comprehension. Few are qualified to make judgment about what moves should be made. Weighing up the relative merit and demerit points of all the "sides" is difficult but achievable. We would not be given a puzzle that could not be solved. All acts of violence can be deconstructed. The universe is stable, ordered, benevolent and expansive even if incidents like this and the minds of many bear witness to the opposite fact.
Even though our political beliefs may differ somewhat I really do appreciate your insight. In the end we are similar as we are both passionate in what we believe in & this I think is the centre of ZH.
Indeed. To be able to disagree without being disagreeable.
Adam says
stable? perhaps but I suggest violent might be a better descriptor (consider the fate of C153)
benevolent? perhaps but again there may be a better descriptor such as unforgiving.
As for the puzzle it likely has more than one solution depending on one's world view. e.g. the human condition
The universe is anything but stable. It is constantly changing as powerful elemental and gravitational forces seek entropy.
Benevolence is a human construct to compensate for animal instincts.
Emotions override logic more often than not. We are animals.
One galaxy does not all of Creation make. Have you heard of the stable state theory of the universe ? BTW...Violence is not innate from birth. Regarding the possibility of peace in the Holy Land...The vast majority of Israelis just want to live in peace. The need for hypervigilance is a Jewish thing. Did you know that on Christmas Day 2008 over two hundred rockets were fired against Sderot and other towns in the south of Israel ? Whilst a huge swathe of humanity was unwrapping presents and tucking into their turkey dinner, thousands of innocent Israelis were faced with real existential terror. The State of Israel is not perfect by any means. However over the last two years they have done an enormous amount of work of trust-building in the region.
Existential Terror? Don't they get to go live with their god when they die?
Stable state was discredited decades ago when the universe was proven to be expanding at an ever increasing rate.
Some folks will cling to anything rather than take personal responsibility for anything. Steady state fell faster than flat earth...