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It Begins: France Commences Military Action Over Libya

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Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:14 | 1075017 Buckaroo Banzai
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Oh great. The French leading the way. This will end well.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:19 | 1075038 CH1
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Very interesting commentary from a businessman who has lived on and off in Libya for a long time:


Sat, 03/19/2011 - 11:46 | 1075175 SRV - ES339
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Interesting take... I'd have to hear (many) more with the same view before I could take it seriously, but it is interesting. Of course, the elite of the west are on board with the Fed's destruction of the middle class too... a bit of "I'm alright Jack" in both cases I suspect (my guess is he's right, but his percentages are skewed to support his case).

However, we do hear rumblings about just who the rebels are (most likely mercenaries on both sides), but not much detail. Of course we'll find out... long after the fighting concludes... as usual.

Thanks for the link CH1!

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 14:44 | 1075921 Imminent Crucible
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I don't believe a word of this story.  Mad High Flatulence Trader said that all the bad stuff was in for 2011.

Here are the top five headlines on MarketWatch:

Air Strikes Over Libya Begin

French Jets Hit Gadhafi Fighters Near Benghazi

Hamas Fires 50-plus Rockets At Israel

Gunmen Kill 45 Protestors in Yemen

Radiation Found In Japanese Crops

Every bit of it's a lie.  Or else, MHFT is a nitwit.  Your call.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 16:55 | 1076307 What does it al...
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I agree, most of this is manufactured.

1.  The plane is from the Rebels, a CLEAR violation of the no-fly-zone.


2.  Khaddfy is smarter than US, and even more so than Hosni, if it escalates, it will be bloddy.  (He has been in power for 40 years!, lunatic, he might be.)  We started becoming their friend after they give up WMD in 2003.

3.  Watch German, China, Russia and even Brazil voting no on this...  

4.  North Korea will never give up their nukes now..

5.  Where are the Japan Nuclear news?  People die and people lives, Nuclear Radiation is forever...

6.  The hypocrisy of our policy toward Bahrain, Yemen and Syria...  At least made up a fear factor like a WMD and take one for the team like Bush did...  

Bottomline, there is so much we don't know and it is not because we are trying to protect the civiliians..  we can't even get his name right.  Quaddfi, Khaddfy, Qaddfy... Come on...

I pick Quahddafhy.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 17:19 | 1076555 johnQpublic
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each tomahawk missile cost 3,202,857.10

so we just fired over 358 million dollars of missiles at a man whose name we cant even spell



may be a slow start to WW3, but it'll do

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 17:28 | 1076601 KinorSensase
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hahahahaha.  good observation.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 17:31 | 1076618 Yes We Can. But...
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Hey, Obooba has been saying that he has a laser-like focus on jobs jobs jobs, and making munitions is a job

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 20:44 | 1077218 clymer
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Tyler, Sacrilege, Marla, et al


Is it me, or does attacking other Nations seem to raise the number of posts from the usual 83 - 176 to the >1000 range?

God forbid these donkeys get hip to PM's, and actually make a dent in this global scam

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 20:52 | 1077236 Boilermaker
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Finally!  A true Crusader who can cut through the shit and get the paydirt!

God damn...I admire you.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 17:34 | 1076649 Boilermaker
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I thought they were $575,000 each. 

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 17:47 | 1076685 What does it al...
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Inflation or military accounting... pick one.

Seriously, ZH readers, on a long enough timeline, the survival rate of the Mox fuel will outlast all of us!  Let's spend this money to help the Japanese....  Now, that deserves a Nobel peace prize...

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:46 | 1076890 Don Birnam
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A Tomahawk strike wave consisting of 112 targets ? French jocks taking out some ( likely antiquated ) Libyan armored assets ?

...All well and good, but the most important question is,

"How are the S&P futures holding up ? No fly zone ? BTFD !"

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 20:06 | 1077130 What does it al...
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112 missles, more like 20 targets.  

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 22:47 | 1077507 nmewn
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So, what you're saying is Reagan was more efficient (45 aircraft & 227 hits) as well as correct in trying to take out a known terrorist supporter and dictator (even with having to fly around "allied" countries airspace...France, Spain and Italy) all those years ago.

On some astral plane somewhere Ronnie grins that shit eatin grin of his ;-)

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 04:58 | 1078142 NidStyles
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The current version of the Tomahawk has multiple warheads.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 21:40 | 1077350 kita27
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I agree, Im with Gaddaffi, this is the most obvious  conspiracy i have ever seen. I dont think the powers that be can even be bothered hiding it anymore.

"We want to protect the citizens", we want to spend billions of dollars, break international law and the sovereignty of Libya, risk the lives and equipment of western forces, risk escalation to full fledged war.

Meanwhile Saudi Arabia invades Bahrain, Yemen civilians are being slaughtered.

Al Jazeera is so biased in their coverage i cannot watch. They were biased also with Egypt but at least Egypt was a geniune revolution.

i hope western forces get bogged in a quagmire, Gaddafi needs to take Benghazi and disperse forces amongst the population and hide. All forces need to make themselves hidden to neutralise western technological superiority.

im neither here nor there for Gaddafi personally, but i am against lies, manipulation, greed, the the potential ramifications from the total disregard for Libyan sovereignty. There is no doubt this is all part of the larger strategic plan toward tackling Iran.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 22:44 | 1077505 jeff montanye
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you know things will be perking right along when the first "allied" truck hits the first ied.  how exactly will the fight to retake benghazi play to the strengths of this "air only" allied offensive?  seem to remember a similar "no-fly zone" didn't work toward a quick endgame with ol' saddam.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 22:53 | 1077514 nmewn
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It's a European problem...let europeons send in the ground troops...they're big boys, so they say.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 04:36 | 1078132 Dave
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Yeah, so they say. Just watch.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 05:03 | 1078146 NidStyles
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I wasn't alive for the last time that was stated, but I have read how that played out. The question is who else is going to be forced onto the other side? Iran and who? I can tell from first hand experience that the only European troop's worth a damn are the ones from the Ukraine. So I know that this fight will end up long and protracted.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 07:46 | 1078225 nmewn
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"The question is who else is going to be forced onto the other side? Iran and who?"

For myself, with China & Russia abstaining on the UN vote, it won't be them. The only real advantage of having the UN around is it forces a "tell" on these things ;-)

As for Iran, she has isolated herself as one of the lone brigand states (not her people, the state itself). I found it interesting that Iran found Saudi troops in Bahrain "unacceptable"...Shiite vs. Sunni again?, possibly...but probably not IMHO.

Let the record show here I am no friend of the House of Saud.

On the two Iranian warships that passed through the Suez recently...many believe they were dropping off arms meant for Gaza (as Hezbollah, in Lebanon, can get theirs easily through Syria). These arms were subsequently confiscated by the IDF on a Liberian flagged freighter whose last port of call was Turkey...doubtful the transfer was made in Turkey...probably an open sea transfer.

Point being, Iran is an isolated violent menace just like Syria. The other large nations may trade with her but that's not the hill they will ultimately choose to fight & die on. 

We in the west should familiarize ourselves with how they go about speaking with the west from time to time...humbly submitted;


Sat, 03/19/2011 - 22:25 | 1077476 Whoa Dammit
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QEddaffy Bitchez!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 03:39 | 1078094 thegr8whorebabylon
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lol +1

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 19:40 | 1077077 avonaltendorf
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@Tyler, very sincere thanks for covering the continuing Fukushima story, G7 float, and MENA. I check a lot of sources and Zero Hedge is head and shoulders above everything else, partly because you host this discussion forum. Between all the blue-faced monkey shit, there is an esrtwhile group effort to sift facts, post data, and define the essential questions.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 12:23 | 1075333 avonaltendorf
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I lived in Tripoli long enough to be disgusted and angry as hell. Saw plenty of these asshole "businessmen." The death penalty is not strong enough punishment for Kaddafi and the vicious scum who function as bagmen and kept him in absolute power for 40 years. If you haven't seen Libya, you don't know how filthy and corrupt it is.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 12:36 | 1075376 cossack55
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I've seen Wall St. and Pennsylvania Ave. Libya has a ways to go on corruption and filth.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 12:56 | 1075449 Boilermaker
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Toss in London, Frankfurt, Tokyo, Paris, Rome, et al.  Then you have a valid point.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 04:02 | 1078116 Tail Dogging The Wag
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You missed Moscow! How could you?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 13:15 | 1075556 avonaltendorf
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You have no idea of what you're saying, don't know anything about Libya, or being deliberately obtuse. The United States is almost unique among the world's nations past and present. By our example of secular liberty, free speech, fair and frequent elections, state jurisdictions, adversarial justice and due process -- and our willingness to defend and promote civil institutions conducive to freedom -- the U.S. is a gentle giant. You want an example of corruption? Russia.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 13:19 | 1075581 Boilermaker
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I agree 100%.  That said, we should work on our own levels of corruption.  It's not how great the USA is.  It's how much better we can be relative only to ourselves.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 20:25 | 1077172 clymer
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BWAAAAHAHAHAhahaha *tear* hahahahaha*sniff* hahahaha *choke* ha* cough ha hmph heehee


"gentle Giant"


You shills have been watching too many mattress commercials.


Hint: The annoying frequency of your posts is a dead give away

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 20:29 | 1077178 Boilermaker
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Hint:  I have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

Request:  If you know of a way I can get paid for this, please forward along the contact information.  Otherwise, I'm sitting here watching NCAA basketball, eating Doritos and a tuna melt for free and that sucks.


Sun, 03/20/2011 - 08:04 | 1078239 clymer
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Umm.. Boiler? I believe I was responding to mr. 'red-eye' above you. Hence the words "gentle giant"

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 13:30 | 1075639 vxpatel
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The US is a gentle giant?

I guess native americans killed, africans enslaved/killed, 2 nuclear detonations in civilian cities, millions of dead rice farmers in vietnam, countless dead in iraq and afghanistan are just part of our peace process...?

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 13:40 | 1075701 Boilermaker
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Exactly, just think of how bad it could have been if we didn't handle things gently.

We should have taken Europes approach to 'gentleness' when it was the superpower of the world.  They really were civilized gentlemen.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 15:49 | 1076162 AnAnonymous
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We should have taken Europes approach to 'gentleness' when it was the superpower of the world.


You mean like King George who enforced the Indians' right to property and kept his word on Black Loyalists?

A different time indeed.

Extortion is nice but has limitation: you can only cull the cattle you live off.

The US could not have done worse, they've managed their best.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:34 | 1076852 sun tzu
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Colonisation of Africa and Asia...a different time indeed

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 02:12 | 1078013 AnAnonymous
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What about the colonization of the US?

No difference between Europeans and US citizens. Only Europeans wish to see themselves different from the US and the US citizens'wish to see themselves different from the US.

They are the same gang.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 17:55 | 1076700 GDE
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You mean Europe, that place you are now destroying with massive immigrations and islamisation, and also your ugly and violent American melting-pot to definitely
mix the Europeans and lower their IQ ?

We call it the great cultural and ethnic genocide by population replacement of the native Europeans. Soon we will be parcked like native Americans in a Third-World continent in our own lands. Thanks, yankees.


Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:37 | 1076866 sun tzu
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Blame your own selves. You voted for your politicians. Especially the English

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 14:19 | 1075844 Abitdodgie
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Amerika has been at war continually since 1960

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 15:59 | 1076212 AnAnonymous
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Actually, the US have been much more at war since inception than they have been at peace.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 16:10 | 1076267 reader2010
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War is Peace. Long live warz.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 18:36 | 1076857 snowball777
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Try 1689.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 13:51 | 1075747 Rusty_Shackleford
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Gentle Giant


Now that's funny.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 16:00 | 1076217 AnAnonymous
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US citizens have large troubles in self perception. They cant picture themselves as they are.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 16:31 | 1076360 Richard Head
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Uh, more like we don't picture ourselves the way you do.  And frankly, we don't care.  Because whatever country you're from is probably an even more filthy sewer than anything you can pin on us.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 16:35 | 1076377 AnAnonymous
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Huh, no.

The US citizens can not picture themselves as they are.

It is no surprise a propagandist can grow wealthy in the US as the demand for flattery, or more distorted report of the US citizens is high.

This starts with the birth of the US, that was a slaver nation and yet is kept perceived as a freedom loving country by the US citizens etc

It has nothing to do with what others might say about the US. It has all to do with facts and how the common US citizen can not face them.

Sat, 03/19/2011 - 16:51 | 1076437 Boilermaker
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Don't you love a good Euro view?  Seriously, it's priceless.  You just can't make that shit up.

Jealously...just make shit up to overcome it.  It's kinda like black dudes liking fat chicks.  Just adjust your 'desires' to match availability.  Works like a charm.

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