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It Begins: France Commences Military Action Over Libya
It has begun - From the AP: "Top officials from the United States, Europe and the Arab world have announced immediate military action to protect civilians amid combat between Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's forces and rebel fighters. French President Nicolas Sarkozy said after an emergency summit in Paris on Saturday that France has already taken military action against Libya. Sarkozy said "our determination is total." Earlier Saturday, Libyan government troops forces stormed into the rebel capital of Benghazi, apparently ignoring a proclaimed cease-fire and potentially complicating any allied military action."
The photo below shows what happens when a Libyan jet takes on a French fighter jet:
More from Al Arabiya:
Several French Rafale fighter jets on Saturday overflew "all Libyan territory" on reconnaissance mission, ready to enforce an air-exclusion zone to halt Muammar Qaddafi’s attacks on opposition, a French military source said, as Western leaders met in Paris to consider their next steps.
The planes were in the air not far from Libya this afternoon and were ready to carry out air strikes if there are orders from President Nicolas Sarkozy, a military official with knowledge of the preparations said on condition of anonymity.
World leaders gathered in Paris on Saturday to discuss a coordinated military intervention in Libya, where Muammar Gaddafi defied the West with an advance into the rebel stronghold of Benghazi.
A witness from the western town of Zintin has told Al Arabiya that Gaddafi forces were pounding the town with artillery and residents, including women and children, were taking refuge hideouts in the city.
The witness added that Gaddafi forces were attempting to subdue the opposition-held town because of its strategic location west of the capital Tripoli.
An unnamed U.S. official has said the ongoing violence against Libyan civilians "obviously has an impact" on the international community's next steps
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, British Prime Minister David Cameron and French President Sarkozy met privately and then sat down with Arab leaders, an African Union representative, European Union representatives and European heads of state to prepare rapid U.N.-mandated action.
After Gaddafi broke his pledge of a ceasefire overnight, sources close to the Paris talks said military strikes could start as soon as the meeting ends on Saturday afternoon, with France, Britain and Canada in an initial operation and any participation by the United States or Arab nations coming later.
"The strikes could start around 3 or 4 o'clock (1400-1500 GMT)," one source said, adding that Gaddafi's advance into the eastern city of Benghazi had increased pressure to act fast.
A second source said it was "certainly possible" that strikes would start straight after the meeting.
Sarkozy will address the media after the meeting wraps up at around 3:30 p.m. (1430 GMT) and Clinton, Cameron and Merkel are also expected to make statements.
Iraq's foreign minister was at the talks, as was the Qatari prime minister and United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, even though Germany is not expected to participate in any action for now.
Determined to prove its diplomatic clout after its clumsy handling of the revolt in Tunisia, Paris has been at the forefront of coordinating a world response to the crisis in Libya, where Gaddafi's troops outgun rag-tag and poorly armed rebel forces. Sarkozy was the first foreign leader to recognize the opposition and drop support for Gaddafi.
Backed by Cameron, Sarkozy convened Saturday's talks in a matter of hours after pushing France's U.N. Security Council partners hard this week to back a resolution allowing possible military action and a no-fly zone over Libya.
NATO ambassadors met in Brussels earlier on Saturday to discuss involvement by the 28-member military alliance in enforcing a no-fly zone, but no decision was taken.
A NATO diplomat said Britain, the United States and Canada were in favour of NATO taking a lead in any operation but said Paris was lukewarm on the idea.
"There could be a decision tomorrow saying that NATO will engage in a no-fly zone, but it's still not clear whether it will be a coalition of the willing, or a NATO operation," the diplomat said.
"France seems to have some problem with it being a NATO operation, given NATO's reputation in the Arab world as a result of Afghanistan and given that NATO is seen as an alliance dominated by the United States."
He added: "What is certain is that time is pressing. A delay of 12 hours of so could be very harmful."
Gaddafi's push into Libya's second city of 670,000 people, in spite of the ceasefire pledged on Friday, appeared to be an attempt to pre-empt Western military action.
France and Britain declined to react to the latest attacks ahead of the Paris talks, but a French government source said the international community must act fast.
"Everything is ready (to act) but the decision is now a political one. It's clear we have to move quickly," he said.
French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe met EU Foreign Minister Catherine Ashton earlier on Saturday to discuss the EU's role.
In the meantime pro Gaddafi forces in Tripoli threaten all out civil war, as per Al Jazeera (watch live coverage after the jump).
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Before the French Revolution I might add; meaning French Royalists aided us against British Royals [who are and were German]. That would be like the Russian Czar [German also] helping us and then later we have to thank the Bolsheviks.
Yeh sure , keep telling yourself that . We all know why Frenchy wanted to help out and it had nothing to do with liberty, that is for sure.
I agree; more likely that they helped to secure their french fry market share than to help us gain liberty.
What? The French re-writing history to camouflage their self-serving interests? You mean like selling nuclear technology to Iran? Wait...that's a story for a year or so from now. I'm sure they're already working on the historical revision.
Don't forget who was on the payroll of Saddam Hussein. It was a roster of French politicos.
Yes, that's true, but that was just big misunderstanding of sorts. It's not what you think it was. That would be too embarrassing to country of has-beens that never-were.
That's really funny. Well put.
ORI
Not sure where you come up with this $hit Boilermaker, but damn it sure is funny!
Years of business dealings with Peugot and Renault....
They are the dumbest smart people I have ever met. Or, the smartest dumb...I don't really remember.
Well why did Frenchy take over Mexico? They even then had grandiose schemes running in their heads about a land that they thought they had lost and they wanted back.
You speak with forked, false, french tongue. It's not in cheek nor is it deep, maybe profound like deep, cheap throat. It's not even in accord with coherence. It's more like a drifter lost in high float on a white powdered levitation whining his frustration .
The rebels would of had a better chance if the Israelis didn't highjack the ship meant for them for a photo op.
Thank god for the Financial crises so that the arrogant attitude of the US soon will be history. Your days as self-imposed-rulers-of-the-world are soon over....
Sarkozy and Cameron are doing the right thing...still the US admin are peeing in their pants for not knowing which is "left or right".
Sarkozy and Cameron are doing exactly as they are told. Man you really need to wake up and smell the starbucks.....
No way Jose...that is exactly what is changing in front of your eyes...but you prbaly stuffed with to much FOX news to understand it
whatever. you think what you want. ha ha ha
I noticed the Libyan army has the Russian T-72 tank, the biggest piece of crap ever made.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3fc_1290468643
they would have been much better off buying american m-60s with upgrades.
Dollar cost averaging.
Still waiting for a declaration of war from Congress per the U.S. Constitution; or even an 'authorization of use of force' by Congress. Since no U.S. National Security interest has even been hinted at, and no eminent threat against the United States exists, any action by the United States Armed Forces ordered by the POTUS or his teleprompter would be an impeachable offense.
Also, a recent survey showed across the political spectrum 65% of Americans are against any armed intervention in Libya. Almost as many that were against TARP. I am just sayin'; BTFD.
Don't hold your breath. This intervention has nothing to do with the constitution that is for sure.
What Constitution? It no longer applies.
When the RINO Richard Lugar asks about when Obamao is going to come to congress to ask for a declaration of war you got to wonder. Ron Paul is not surprised there is no declaration of war, just surprised no vote at all of any kind. Of course the closeted RINO/homo Lindsey Gayham is in this war a-go-go.
Could someone point me to the part of the Constitution that says the UN Security Council authorizes the US to go to war? I am having trouble finding that clause.
Makes you want to weep. I can't see how it can be salvaged.
You are 100% correct. Sadly.
The Constitution is just like the French. Both have been rendered completely irrelevant over the course of time.
Correct. Wasn't it bush who said that to him it was just a god damn piece of paper?
http://www.rense.com/general69/paper.htm
now since this article first appeared there has been a effort mounted to question its veracity. i for one cannot vouch for it, but to me it does sound exactly like something bush would say.
The constitution has no power unless moral men give it, its power by whatever means necessary. That is the dirty little secret. It lies in the Smithstonian collecting dust now. Our children go to government schools and never hear a word about it. Our courts are ruled by agency now instead of the Constitution. on and on it goes until the sheep awaken from their slumber, whenever that grand day comes, may it come soon.........
In all fairness to GWB and his limited intellect. It actually is a piece of paper. You have to keep the scoring system fair. Think of it like 'Celebrity Jeopardy'.
Don't forget, he went to harvard and yale. Yet to my knowledge, not one person ever came forward and said, yes they knew him from college, and not one girl friend came forward that he dated while he was supposedly there at those schools. yet this man cannot put two words together in a sentence. strange if you ask me. yet this is also the case with obama. he said he want to school here and there, yet not one person can vouch for that information. it is as if these men were created out of thin air and their histories were written for them and then they became president. isn't it strange that tommy franks went to the same school as george bush's future wife, while he lived in west texas. of course he was jewish. strange circumstances if you ask me. bush never had any real job experience. supposedly he played around with the oil business but never made it really. they set him up with the rangers baseball team so he could appear to have something going for him. i figure franks was a sayanim deep sleeper agent, who was brought up and told to join the american army and was promoted as needed and when the time was right, he was used for his appointed task. some of you may think this is farfetched, but you really don't understand the true enemy and how he works and how his plans many times are multi generational in scope. they are clever. i will have to hand it to them.
Nobody remember GWB at the Alabama National Guard base either...or John Kerry during his river boat heroics...
John Kerry threw his medals over the white house fence but then he said during his campaign that he didn't......They said bush was NG pilot but nobody ever remembered him? Hmmm..........
You think there is going to be a dip when Sydney opens? I don't.
I'm waiting for the massive anti-war protests that we saw in 2003-04 in America and Europe. Where are Code Pink and A.N.S.W.E.R.? No blood for oil? Stop bombing brown people?
The French midget with the bouffant has been trying to make an impact on the world stage for some time now.
Due to the inferiority complex as well as being the butt of jokes for the past 65 years he is trying to gain credibility.
The western leaders are limp wristed public school boys; I hope the do not under estimate the magnitude of what they are doing.
The French haven't changed much. It is just that their country now, is full of muzzies and they want them out and their leader is a zionist jew, who dances to the tune of the Rothschilds.
Some people on this site think that the US is secretly in charge. Everything is controlled from London.
Well we can keep this very simple Where in the world is the location of most of the gold of the world? Wherever that gold is, you will find them nearby. They tell us that physical gold and silver is a bad idea, yet they like it ,and they hold it, and they want all of it , and they want to control all of it. The United States is being used right now for its purpose and that purpose is and probably always was, to be the world policeman for the new world order. Who else in this world can field such armies as we can filled with mind numbed volunteer robots doing the will of their zionist masters? You see, all of those computer war games, that these men played while they were young , were being used to condition their minds into thinking that war is just a game and in their subconscious minds, they thought this as they went and joined up and in their conscious minds they told themselves that we are joining to protect the rights of amerikans and for reasons of patriotism. So they are used and they are thrown away and they die for nothing and rich men get richer. It will continue on, unless someone stops it.
Correct-o, HPD. Couldn't have said it better myself.
not to take away from the excellent comments here at ZH but it is entertaining to read what the HuffTurds are saying
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/19/libya-rebels-shoot-down-w_n_837...
I can't believe that gold digging redhead walked off with 300M for that rag....ha ha ha
Being a whore is profitable in the 21st century America.
when i see her on a sunday morning talk show, the words to a old willie nelson song come to mind, get your buscuits in the oven and your buns in bed..........
http://bit.ly/gcFTiL
My memory might be a little fuzzy, but wasn't it the French who refused to let our fighters fly over French airspace when we bombed Libya in the 80s? Didn't the US "accidentally" hit the French Embassy in Libya?
Yes that is true. You want to know why? They thought the intelligence offered as proof , was faulty and come to find out much later, it was.
It would be interesting if Khadaffy would declare a No Fly Zone over France. Send a flight to strike Paris with some Shock and Awe. How long will it take for Sarko to get the running craps?
Apmex.com
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It will not be a service unavailable error when Apmex has nothing to sell.
The front page will just have a massage stating that they have a buy special happening and are paying 80% over (paper) spot price for all PM's (just like Comex).
How about a no fly zone over Palestine, How about that?
Hillary Clinton, President of the United States in charge of International and Foreign Affairs serving at the leisure of the Council on Foreign Relations, aka, TPTB who actually control everything.
Barack Obama, President of the United States in charge of travel and speech giving serving at the leisure of Hillary Clinton. (Currently on location in Brazil - and out of the way where he will do no harm - with an entourage of family and friends courtesy of the American people.)
There was a time in my life when i listened to limbaugh, but those days are long gone now, of course. But , I will say one thing. He was right about one thing that is for sure. He said one time the Clintons would never go away. and you know, he was right about that one. You cannot get rid of the Clintons, no way , no how until they are dead....ha ha ha
Their demon seed is currently in training......
Chelsea Clinton beams with pride as she honours mother Hillary for being 'an inspiration' Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1365621/Chelsea-Clinton-proudly-presents-mum-Hillary-Inspiration-Award.html#ixzz1H4ELybe7That daughter of hers looks like she fell out of the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down. A babe she is not......
Are you saying this doesn't get you hot?
http://www.chinawholesalelots.com/blog/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/b1e02_chelsea-clinton-wedding-dress-vera-wang-marc-mezvinsky-590sc07.jpg
If you look at the pics, you can see the ejected pilot. His chute is unopened in both the first and the second pic. Presumably, he hit the ground and died or was killed by the explosion in the third pic. Sad, but cool.
I think the pilot in the photo may have ejected a bit late. Don't get me wrong, I'm no expert. But I think if you can see the tree tops and no chute deployment you're a bit SOL.
If there is a violent revolution in the US, what country will be enforcing the no-fly-zone, here?
Mexico.
Cuba
Texas.
Xe
That's easy! Van Rompuy!
china, since they have a lot of assets here, they have the most to lose.
The Confederate States will enforce a No-Fly zone over what remains of the Yankee States.
Alaska.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZiqexz7aqQ
and this from the India Times.....
'To my Dear Obama, our son', says Gaddafi, defending attack on rebels PTI | Mar 19, 2011, 06.13pm IST http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/middle-east/To-my-Dear-Obama-ou...
I think we have way bigger issues than this birther shit. I don't care what blog it is, but the golf/Rio/brackets talking points are so over the top that it stinks of an organized effort. Obama sucks enough without all this trifling crap. They ALL suck. There will never be a quick and decisive war, the fine scalpel of strategic targeting technology, or the blunt force of a daisy cutter bomb is only for show and tell, not to end anything quick! it has to drag out to make a buck. Figure heads are not important, you are shadow boxing blindfolded.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-political-lessons-walang-kul...
"...so over the top that it stinks of an organized effort."
Thanks. I was wondering what that smell was. I thought it was come freerepublic or something.
I have a question. What is the endgame? What if this war lasts longer then usual? The United Nothing have passed a resoultion without thinking about the consequences. This reminds me of the War in Iraq. We go in guns blazing but have plans after Baghdad falls. The rebels themselves are not a united force. They are filled with seperatist,jihadist,former soldiers,regular citizens who all have differeing goals. Second Libya is a tribal nation. If you take K-Daffy Duck out of the scene the nation will descend into chaos. And why does dumbass ZerObama need the consent from the UN to go to war. Doesn't the "constituional scholar" know that Congress has the power to delcare war. Not him nor the UN. He cares more about international law then our own Constitution just like the presidents before him.
Yet again we are going to be involved in a war which will not go according to plan. We will blindfully put the rebels in power and the country will descend into chaos.
The end game is to oust Qadhafi and get the oil flowing again so the world does not plunge back into the middle ages.
The trouble is it won't happen quickly and if they have misjudged this situation it may not happen at all. The west will be bogged down in another 10 year occupation.
Well if thats what you think...Close your borders, stop your trade, and shut the F... up. You are out...
I think we need to stay out of other country's business. Its no wonder the world hates Amerika. I say bring all our soldiers home and let the cards fall where they may. How many here would want libyans invading our country? Common sense to us, but the globalists could care less what you think. Our soldiers serve them...not us.
You are correct.
"We go in guns blazing but have plans after Baghdad falls"
I'm not so sure about the "go in guns blazing" part as the POTUS has repeatedly stated that the US will have minimal involvement in this matter. And for the most part I believe it as US is already involved in two middle east wars and jusy doesn't have the stomach to deal with a third theater. Supporting actor on the supply side sure but not much US involvement with respects to offensive operations.
My forecast for the situation is as follows: the french, brits, danes, et al will make a sorry mess of this operation as they dont have the resources or the will to fully take down Kdaffys forces. In Afghanistan the french, brits and danes constantly rely on US air support when the Taliban fighters pin them down time and time again.
Uhhhh, sure. If you say so...
We're setting precedence for the NWO, that simple. Sovereign countries no more. Forget the US Constitution or any other nations' paper. It's NWO now. Very bad $hit heading our way shortly (All of us).
Unless there is a need for some live fire air to air activity I think they will be taking them out while they are on the ground.
Airstrikes to protect civilians.
The civilians' relief must be palpable.
Bill Maher on France:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDPOVZFDOZg
Obama is letting France lead the way, just to piss off neocons.
Vive la Freedom Fries.
Ah...Another delusional moment.
I bet you don't even know what "neocon" means.
I bet you don't know what "sarcasm" means.
Obama is letting France lead the way, just to piss off neocons.
The French are generally much better accepted in the Arab world than any other country. This will be one reason why they are leading the physical process.
Really? How do they feel about the Burqa Ban?
It is annoying to read all these 188 comments @ ZH and none is talking about the cowardness of China, Russia, and Germany...
We didn't talk about the sun rising as usual, either.
Please elaborate.
What, you think it is in the world's interest to liberate Libya? And what are you liberating them into? An economy enslaved to the FRN?
+11789 Another one who has unwrapped the flag from around his head.
I just cut some eye holes out of it. I can see clearly without forgetting the ideals and virtues of American that make/made her great.
I suppose Libya has still slavery. Better for them to start their freedom era the way the US did if they want to learn from the master's ideals and virtues.
OK, I actually don't know what even means. Your black turtle neck may or beret might be too tight.
Please elaborate what you think of when you hear your neighbors wife and children being abused and slaughtered? If US wants to be the King Pin that has a price...otherwise...shut the F-up.
Are really suppose to believe that photo? With fire, there is smoke. Three jets downed in such close proximity, all in the same photo? Please.
"It is annoying to read all these 188 comments @ ZH"
Then why punnish yourself?
U R right...wont happened again...A year ago one might have found some interesting comments here @ ZH....now its filled with people intoxicated with FOX news distorted view of the world.
Well, I guess that is better than your choice, most likely Huff Po!
You just proved it....
BTW...wouldn't touch any American TV channel or paper...they R worse than Pravda use to be...but You don know it.
It did happen again "now its filled with people intoxicated with FOX news distorted view of the world."
Like Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now said. "Judgment defeats us!"
"...While you Americans... you are fighting for the biggest nothing in history!...".
Same movie
"...While you Americans... you are fighting for the biggest nothing in history!...".
Same movie
America is the best thing that has ever happened to the nations of the world.
Daffy does things to his people that are inhumane as a tyrant often does and now the world has to remove him.
Principles before Personalities youngn'.
You can be sure the tab, measured in lives and treasure, will be handed over to the Americans. The Euos, like the deep bench players in a blow out basketball game, will want to get some garbage playing time also so as to proclaim themselves part of the effort and victory.
And do you remember WHO paid for the first Gulf war? Busg senior at least managed to get that paid for by the Saudis and Japan. The US even made a "profit" from it....so get it straight Mr
And do you remember WHO represented the vast majority of troops and airmen in the campaign?
Yes I do...so why didn't you pay for it?
We did, with blood and equipment. Maybe you missed that point.
"We"?????? Wow, you were a GW1 vet? And, with "blood," so we can look you up in the Purple Heart registry.
You fucking pathetic maggot.
...maybe he's a zero-masochist
Release the flood gates of hungry immigrants flooding Europe, and a mass "tell all" book by Quadaffy that exposes the global elite. I wonder if he will make it out alive now, he seems like he is resigned to go Sherman's march to the sea on his own people rather than bow out semi-gracefully
Well Europe (like us) inundated. We were all told that multi culturalism is good and diversity is good and we looked the other way, while this was done. Now the job is complete and many places in our native lands do not look like they did ,even when were young. This was planned and so now begins the second part of the plan. race war. so while we fight each other, they become stronger and we become weaker or so they want. who knows , it might turn out, like they want, but they have displayed abilities of being able to turn on a dime when the time in necessary. so we shall see.
They're outbreeding westerners... and people look down on white trash, hell, they're the only ones keeping the white race going!
facts are facts! 100% true!
Planned how? The US started as a multi racial nation.
And speaking of illegal immigration. In the mouth of the US citizens? I am sure you've got an Indian ancestor. Makes you feel naturalized.
..all this under cover of UN Resolution 1973. Gadhafi and the Libyan state - despicable, yes, but no less legitimate than many others - pose no threat outside their borders. Yet the UN has, in effect, declared war on a member state over an entirely internal matter (oil not withstanding).
This is something new. The UN has always been a sort of Chamber of Commerce for existing states - propping dictators and despots with "peacekeeping forces". Now the UN has somehow empowered itself to intervene militarily in the internal affairs of member states. Uh, oh.
GET OUT NOW!
French fries are now back in vogue. The days of freedom fries are behind us. LOL.
Operation Digital USD$ Keyboard Challenge: Interpretation.. Leave no corrupt Banker behind.
Watching her royal highness speak (Hillary) and I am once again the election of 2008 was well planned with the Clinton's willingly stepping aside and putting the moron in office. This lady will be the democratic candidate in 2012 as Obama will not seek reelection (they have the goods) and she will save the world. Think we have issues today? Wait!
Another war, another bunch of crazies come out to bullshit.
The plane that was shot down WAS THE ONLY FIGHTER BOMBER THE REBELS IN BENGHAZI HAD! That's right, it was a rebel plane, not Libyan airforce. The reports say it was shot down by Gaddafi's forces but if the French shot it down, that would mark the first of many "Friendly fire" killings in this war.
" A fighter plane has been shot down over Benghazi. Although it was initially thought to belong to Gaddafi's forces, rebels in the city have said it was their only jet."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/mar/19/libya-live-blog-ceasefire-nofly
Silence peasant! You must disregard that story.
Interesting not one mention of Obama from Hillary!
I can't stand hilliary but she definitely has a bigger set than obomba.
Sarkozy is trying to regain some popularity (he's about as popular as W. was in 2007-2008). So an international action will give him the grandeur he so desperately needs (or so he thinks).
The punchline? He funded his 2007 election campaign partly with... Ghaddafi's money!
Wow. Those French are such pacifists. Amazing the hypocrisy. I guess they support invasions when their oil interests are involved. Our whole planet makes me want to throw up. Long Live the Empire!
You know guys I am on board here on most every issue. Keep buying gold and silver and really think we are in a morass that is difficult to exit from.
But, so far, and I could be way off here, I am impressed with the way Obama has played down this continuing disaster (today Libya) as far as killing more of our American men and women. The last thing this country wants or needs is another futile war similar to Iraq and Afganistan, at a cost of billions more. I am sick and tired of Americans dying for dictators 10,000 miles away. Let France, England, Germany start taking over. We need to defend our borders and take care of Us. Do you really think Al qaeda is going to rush us in a squadron of F-16s and destroy NY? We already have the most oppressive commercial airport screening on the planet and spend billions on Homeland Security to secure our safety here. Lets stay Home. We cannot police the planet anymore. Our sun is setting, sad but true.
We are broke, bankrupt, insolvent and cannot even take care of us. That is what we need to do.
Would be interested in any opinions. I am a retired AF Colonel, flew in Viet Nam, been on Zero Hedge for almost 2 years and am sick of War. If you think I am being a jerk, it is ok, just say so.
Good Weekend to All, and as always Tyler, Thank You Sir!
Allow me to be the first.
Edit:
In all due respect AF Colonel, you had to know the big picture? I hope you don't tell us that Eisenhower's farewell address was considered tinfoil back in the day?
President Dwight Eisenhower's Farewell Address to the nation January 17, 1961
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWiIYW_fBfY
Thank you for serving our country
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Not a jerk at all. I wish there were more like you in the military. There are days that I wish for a military coup in the US done by people with your kind of sense.
I am not sure the image of a 6'3 president standing behind a 5'3 president is best described as playing it down; perhaps a better description would be "hiding". If the man had cojones he would have not permitted US involvement or at least he would have brought it to the people or the congress. Instead the Commander and Chief and Chair of the UN Security Council heads off to Rio as US military assets are deployed in North Africa.
Correct Sir! You are spot on. You could be a believer in Ron Paul's beliefs.
War is never about high minded ideas and democracy, as sold by slick politicians, but rather self serving interests and corporation's infastructures in foreign lands. Lamar Hunt lost his total investment in Libya. France and England repurchased the same contracts- they won't be pushed around like a Texas oilman- they know the history.
+100%
these wars and death merchants drain the west of its savings and freedom
anybody on board for the useless US invasions and interventions is a traitor to our country
the Mohamed brotherhood is a western creation to stir up a hornets nest in the middle east; these are Soros agents to bring in jack boot solutions
Apparently there is a naval blockade going on as well.
The Lybians have S-6 anti-airplanes missiles, exactly the kind of weapon the Serbs used successfully against the NATO forces in 1999. Milosevic's guys shot down a F117 Night Hawk (not so) stealthy plane with one of these.
The game is going to be interesting. Obama probably knows the Lybians have S-6's so he abstains from sending U.S. planes over Tripoli and he instead pushes the French and the Brits to the front...
Cowardice?
Yes they do have SAM missle batteries. But the problem is with this older technology, the minute they acquire the target with their radar aiming systems they also betray their locations and countermeasures are instituted and homing missles are fired at the missle batteries, using their own radar signals to home in on the target. His SAM's won't last long if he turns on the electronics.
French jet has fired on Gaddafi military locations at 16:45 GMT
The French got run out of North Africa once upon a time, so now they have forgotten those days. The Arabs however, have not.
If the U.S. with its carrier group in position wanted to take the lead in the Libyan attack, it was hampered by the accelerating world view that the U.S. is an empire pushing war in Muslim countries to secure oil.
In addition, there a widening view that U.S. war mongering is tied to the interests of Israel; hence, the continued propaganda targeting Israel’s foremost enemy, Iran.
For these reasons, Defense Secretary Gates stepped forward with his reluctance for a no-fly zone and Obama postured as a background figure. The fact is, only the United States, with its carrier group, its nearby land bases and its vast in-air refueling capabilities, can support the bombing and no-fly zone operations.
The initial tough talk from Britain and the hair trigger response from Sarkozy, along with the continued mention of Arab League jets to be involved, are all used to position the United States as only one of the participants.
France does not have the moral authority or the military capability to carry even a significant part of this operation without the presence of a superpower.
IOW, no planes left their fields without a U.S. okay. This reluctance by the U.S. to show initial leadership in a war of this kind may be an encouraging sign for the future (Obama already ruling out ground troops, and the U.N. resolution prohibiting “occupation”).
Perhaps when the bullets stop flying in Libya and the citizens have a chance for input into their government, the world will be more realistic about the dangers from the United Nations’ role in helping with “justice” – i.e., harder for the U.S. with its tarnished image to push the U.N. into setting up a puppet government the U.S. controls.
This is total rubbish. Libya is on the doorstep of Europe and there are a number of european air bases close enough to Libya that the no fly zone can be enforced without carrier capability or American help. Anyway, the French are sending an aircraft carrier.
The french have 14 air tankers. I don't know how many the UK have but probably more than the french. Air to air refueling capability will not a problem.
Clearly it will be much easier with the USA helping but to say it can't be done without the US is just wrong.
I am not only talking militarily, I am talking politically. France could not do this on its own, with China, Russia, Germany looking on. France has jet air planes, but who’s going to tell them where to bomb; the US has the intelligence planes, the pilot rescue programs… One carrier is not enough… In a war, all kinds of things start happening… and France can’t support it.
The European states have become a hollow military power and the economic crisis is forcing them to cut capabilities more. Nagging them to contribute more to their defense hasn’t worked in the past and it isn’t going to work now. Europe didn’t exactly leap to Obama’s side has he pranced into Afghanistan.
The US needs to stop subsidizing EU member state defense with Bernanke’s printing press, i.e., America's standard of living. End the Fed.
F...ing Bull Shit...this is again and again proving how far out of touch with the rest of the world som eof you american have become. Thanks Mr Murdoch for that...Mr Murdoch "pravda-for-a-buck" Murdoch
Sore delusion. The Fed participates to the welfare of the common US citizen. The Fed is free path to wealth, emission of credits and sending electrons to receive material and immaterial wealth.
"The recognition of the insuperable limits to his knowledge ought indeed to teach the student of society a lesson of humility which should guard him against becoming an accomplice in men's fatal striving to control society – a striving which makes him not only a tyrant over his fellows, but which may well make him the destroyer of a civilization which no brain has designed but which has grown from the free efforts of millions of individuals." -- Friedrich von Hayek in his Nobel Prize address
“It is a mistake to view what happened as some accident, or a natural development. It was a pre-mediated campaign to subvert the economy and the political protections of the vast majority of US citizens.” – Jesse’s Café Americain
“There is perhaps no topic as important to the average American today as rising prices. Whether we consider food, gasoline, or clothing, the cost of living is increasing significantly. At a time of high unemployment, rising prices trap American families between a rock and a hard place. While rising prices colloquially are referred to as "inflation," true inflation is defined as an increase in the money supply, and all other things being equal, an increase in the money supply leads to a rise in prices. Inflation is and always has been throughout history a monetary phenomenon, and its destructive effects have ruined societies from the Roman Empire to Weimar Germany to modern-day Zimbabwe.
“Blame for the most recent round of price increases has been laid at the feet of the Federal Reserve's program of quantitative easing…
“The price of cotton is up more than 170% over the past year, oil is up over 40%, and many categories of food staples are seeing double-digit price growth. This means that food, clothing, and gasoline will become increasingly expensive over the coming year. American families, many of whom already live paycheck to paycheck, increasingly will be forced by these rising prices into unwilling tradeoffs. Rising prices lead to consumers purchasing ground beef rather than steak, drinking water rather than milk, and choosing canned vegetables over fresh. Clothes are worn until they are threadbare, in order to conserve money that keeps food on the table and pays the heating bill. While some might argue that this new frugality is a good thing, frugality is virtuous only when it results from free choice, not when it is forced upon the citizenry by the Fed's ruinous monetary policy.” -- Ron Paul Our Enemy the Fed, before the US House of Representatives Committee on Financial Services Monetary Policy and Rising Prices, March 17, 2011
“The insiders come through ‘with flying colors,’ while millions of victims are ruined, destroyed by forces which they refuse to believe exist. Heartbreak, losses of homes and businesses, breakdowns, suicides, destruction of families, these are the results…” – Eustace Mullins
Ron Paul <3
YEEAH THE SAME SARKOZY WHO GAVE GOOD SLAPS OVER KADHAFI'S SHOULDERS WHEN HE WAS INVITED TO THE ELYSEES !!! WHAT AN HYPOCRIT BASTARD !!
Can we make it "son of a bitch"?
If I am Qadhafi or one of his sons, I go at the weakest link. I plan a terrorist attack in Paris so as to turn the French populace against any French military adventure in the ME. I'll bet money that such plans are already under consideration. It only takes one bomb in a train station or other public place to turn French sentiment 180 degrees, if it even supports current Sarkozy policy today.
If the French back away, what's left? The Brits have lost their appetite for fighting any more wars, the rest of NATO only serves a support role, and the US is already spread too thin. Of course, the US has a penchant for quagmires, and Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan might not fully satisfy.
+1
Oh yeh, its the fifth column. It will happen. He already told them as much if they read between the lines......
And people wont brush up their beliefs.
Nothing substantial will happen. Gaffani has no formidable network of operatives in Europe, bogeyman story.
But people want to believe...
"It only takes one bomb in a train station or other public place..."
Could it be that is exactly what they want him to do? That they are hoping and praying Quadafi will give them exactly the justification they need to put boots and materiel on the ground inside Lybia?
It seems to me that they need him to do something like that if they are to get to their real goal in this.
Queens gambit.
Hey, don't count the Brits out.. they'd have one more go at the French, just for old time's sake.
The British, as well as Americans, often fail to react to the atrocities left behind by their countrymen in wars fought for the monied interests, unawares or misinformed because such topic is taboo in the MSM. This, fortunately, is rapidly changing because of Internet-user source choice.
The Rothschilds' formula of a ‘managed conflict’ for the First World War originated from the difficulty they had encountered in defeating the Boers (early Dutch settlers on virgin land in South Africa) from 1899 to 1901…
“In 1889, because of the discovery of vast wealth in gold and diamonds in South Africa, the Rothschilds came back to loot the nation with 400,000 British soldiers pitted against 30,000 ‘irregulars,’ that is farmers with rifles…
“The British fought a ‘no prisoner,’ scorched earth war, destroying farms, and mercilessly shooting down Boers who tried to surrender,” according to The World Order. “It was in this war that the institution of ‘concentration camps’ was brought to the world…
“This genocidal policy would next be used by the Rothschild financed Bolsheviks in Russia, who adopted the Boer War concept to murder 66 million Russians between 1917 and 1967…”
There was never any "popular reaction" to either of these atrocities… Arthur Ochs in his NYTimes actually praised "Uncle Joe" Stalin during his genocide by starvation of millions in the Ukraine, the breadbasket of Europe...
Yeah, right.
One terrorist attack on US soil and we get the martyr treatment, meanwhile years of terrorist activity in Europe, hundreds more dead didn't make the news.
They are the over-reacting weaklings, lol.