Italian Scientists Claim To Have Discovered Nickel-Hydrogen Cold Fusion, Create Copper As Byproduct

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Mon, 01/24/2011 - 13:58 | 899237 High Plains Drifter
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Again with the cold fusion?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:00 | 899249 Salinger
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"University of Bologna" says it all

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:04 | 899274 end times prophet
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Fusion? Energy?  It isn't worth anything at all.  You can't eat it and it doesn't pay dividends.  How useless.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:19 | 899338 hedgeless_horseman
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AAPL announces nickel-powered iPAD that shits pennies out of its flash drive slot!!!  It's the tablet that pays you back.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:31 | 899392 Lost My Shorts
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Nickel, bitchez !!!

(had to be said, sorry)

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:45 | 899433 More Critical T...
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Italian Scientists Claim To Have Discovered Nickel-Hydrogen Cold Fusion, Create Copper As Byproduct



And before the skeptics scream this is nothing but another scientific fraud,

Dude, all you need to do is to read the fine news articles to become somewhat sceptical:

Rossi and Focardi’s paper on the nuclear reactor has been rejected by peer-reviewed journals, but the scientists aren’t discouraged. They published their paper in the Journal of Nuclear Physics, an online journal founded and run by themselves, which is obviously cause for a great deal of skepticism. They say their paper was rejected because they lack a theory for how the reaction works. According to a press release in Google translate, the scientists say they cannot explain how the cold fusion is triggered, “but the presence of copper and the release of energy are witnesses.”

All those mainstream physics journals, who are usually in a cut-throat competition to publish the next Nobel-winning article all turned these guys down? Not only did they refuse to be associated with the next Nobel prize but they also refused the opportunity to possibly co-author patents that are worth trillions? They refused to be involved in technology that could save the lives of millions of people per year and could catapult this planet into the space age?

What clueless idiots! Tyler, you should invest in these guys instead, you clearly have an edge :-)


Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:56 | 899500 Rusty Shorts
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"They say their paper was rejected because they lack a theory for how the reaction works."

Peer review rejects 99.99% of submitted papers if they do not jive with the Flat Earth Theory. I can't explain the Physics of driving a car, yet still, I can drive a car ... to bad Gold isn't the by-product.


Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:21 | 899568 More Critical T...
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Erm, no, you are missing the finer point here.

"Lack of theory" is the international code word for fraud and junk science.

It's the "get out of jail free" card for fraudsters, because, if it accidentally turns out that no-one else can reproduce their experiments they can claim "well, too bad, we were lucky, unfortunately we have no explanation for it either and cannot reproduce it anymore either".

If the phenomenon is really occuring and repeatable then it's about 1 day of work for a good postgrad physics student to measure the crap out of it and whip up at least 10 theories of how it's possible. Or they could hire one if they really dont want the next ten Nobel prizes for themselves :-)

The 'we cannot explain it' excuse is frequently used by frauds to not be liable legally, so journals are quite cautious in such situations - they got burned enough times in the past, especially when it comes to 'cold fusion' which gets everyone as excited as a Facebook IPO gets US investors crazy.

If you are an investor and if you ever hear those magic weasel words in confidential negotiations then excuse yourself from the room pronto and get the heck out of there - it's a waste of time and money.


Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:22 | 899614 Rusty Shorts
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Okay man I'm with you, yes it is more than likely a con.


Any thoughts on this? Pretty amazing toward the end.


Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:37 | 899651 More Critical T...
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Amazing video! The atmosphere is an amazingly complex system and it keeps surprising us again and again - partly because it's so large which makes it so hard to measure it in a controlled environment and which makes it so hard to model.

(Ball lightning is probably also one of the few remaining unexplained here-on-Earth phenomenons that will give us some really eye-popping explanation IMO.)

Elementary particle physics or even chemistry not so much: especially not in the small-scale, low-energy, common-ingredients setup these guys described. It's very well researched, it has very good tools and it matters economically so if you truly find some excitingly new phenomenon there your path to success will be short, sweet and prosperous - and it will definitely not be marked by rejected articles ...



Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:17 | 900278 Batty Koda
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Ball lightning is probably something to do with plasma physics, a neglected area of science because plsma physicists tend not to believe the nuclear theory of stars so they are sidelined and called kooks by the cosmologists.

Cosmologists like money as much as energy companies do, therefore they ignore the plasma physicists case because they don't want to be out of a job.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 20:30 | 900823 margaris
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If you go to the link

you will find a link to a description paper (PDF)


Now what I find laughable is that in this PDF already in the title there is a grave SPELLING MISTAKE. lol

The date is 2001 instead of 2011.

Now I ask you: As you might know such science papers are usually spellchecked by like 3 different people and have to always be top notch language, perfect grammar and superbly prepared and researched if they are to gain some respect in the science world.

To see such an UNFORGIVABLE Error on the TITLE of the paper really shows us with what kind of people we are dealing here.

Yeah yeah, they cant even proof-read a short article, but are claiming to have found cold fusion. Ridiculous...

Lets see how long it takes them to fix the mistake.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 22:21 | 900985 More Critical T...
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Weird theories you have there.

In reality plasma physicists are highly respected and are building tokamaks or are contributing to particle accelerator development - or are members of one of the teams around satellite based sun observatories. (Not to mention the ones building weapons systems.)

Most cosmologists are busy explaining/simulating galaxy cluster formation patterns and cosmic micro-wave background patterns - not entirely unconnected to plasma physics but hardly in a big overlap.They are either heavy-duty mathematicians or they are programmers. Generally they dont make any 'big money' nor are they embedded with the industry - unless you count the occasional Hawkings book as 'big money'.

Plasma physicists are generally good experimental physicists.

So while the culture does not match, there's not enough overlap for any of your conspiracies.

Ball lightning is under-researched for two simple reasons: it's very, very rare compared to other phenomenons, and it's also very dangerous: ball lightning has killed scores of people - and it's not even the thunderstorms that make them so dangerous - they can move very quickly, often through seemingly solid obstacles, and they can literally burn through or blind people. Not exactly a career magnet.

But yes, it's probably an exotic form of plasma. Or maybe (maybe ...) anti-matter. Or who knows what else. This is certainly an interesting planet to live on.


Tue, 01/25/2011 - 00:27 | 901620 Rusty Shorts
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Once upon a time, Ball Plasma was a common phenomena in the Appalachian Mountains, there are accounts of "floating balls of light" appearing on the mountain side, floating through an open window, and pass through the Cabin, then exit through another window.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 00:37 | 926289 More Critical T...
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You are probably referring to Brown Mountain Lights:

Which are possibly related to, but not the same things as ball lightning. Ball lightning is absolutely deadly, it can kill man and cattle, while Brown Mountain Lights appear to be more benign.

One problem is that such rare natural phenomena often get mixed up with outright fraud such as most UFO sightings or crop circles - which makes real witnesses less reliable and harder to mine for hard data scientifically.

It's also a hard field socially: if you've ever talked to a true UFO believer you'll know what I mean :-)

Real witnesses are also more reluctant to step forward and talk about their experience.

It's not an insurmountable problem though, so I expect it to be solved eventually: the exponential growth of ever improving mobile video capture devices will sooner or later provide a critical mass of hard scientific evidence.

The remaining open, unsolved scientific questions are naturally those which have some inherent difficulty in them - or, as in this case, which have a string of inherent difficulties :-)


Tue, 01/25/2011 - 14:07 | 903296 Batty Koda
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I wasn't implying that cosmologists are being bribed, they simply want to keep their jobs. If electromagnetic phenomenon were found to be more influential then gravity over intergalactic distances then the knowledge base of the current crop of cosmologists would be mostly redundant, not to mention the humiliation of being so horribly wrong while mocking anybody who disagrees with them.

You may not of heard about the controversy between some plasma physicists and mainstream cosmology over the importance of electromagnetism over large distances, it's too complicated to explain here but if your interested in that kind of thing you should look it up.

I'm undecided on the subject but I really don't like the way scientists with unconventional opinions are ostracised by the mainstream.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 00:35 | 926318 More Critical T...
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Sorry, but if you've ever studied physics and checked the data you'll see that the 'Electric Cosmos' is pure quackery - wrapped up in enough terminus technicus for the general public to not recognize it as quackery.

Cosmologists don't care whether it's gravity or electromagnetics that rules the universe over large distances (or both), both involve difficult to solve differential equations :-)

In fact both involve computer simulations in practice, so cosmologists quite literally do not care what the equations are and how they are named - they follow satellite data, create their models and run the simulations and that's it. They are morphing the equations all the time, in search of explaining new phenomena.


Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:02 | 900214 eddiebe
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I'm still not convinced that Pons and Fleischman were'nt silenced. After all, supposedly their experiment was successfully confirmed in Japan. Would 'BIG ENERGY' allow this to get out without wanting to be in complete control? Likely the pair of Bolognese will disappear after being bought out or scared shitless ( or suffering an unfortunate accident) by economic hit men, and it will continue to be business as usual.

 Still it may not hurt to keep alert to news of this and do a bit of research into nickel producers/juniors.

 After all I believe it was another close neighbor of theirs that was laughed at for believing the world was round and another that was nearly killed for claiming the earth was not the center of the solar system not so long ago.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:36 | 899673 margaris
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I second everything you said.

Michael Shermer puts it all together in his Baloney Detection Kit:

Its about critical thinking, not believing and not claiming anything.

Only falsifying is the way to go. As a scientist you MUST try to destroy your own theory ALL THE TIME.

Only this will give your theory enormous credibility if it survives your testing.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:04 | 899773 Sudden Debt
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Italian technology tends to destroy itself anyway.

Anybody forgot about those new Ferraris that cought fire because... of nothing?


My former car used to be a Alfa. B E A U T I F U L L and a chick magnet.

But the local car shop was like a second home and when I crashed it, it looked like wrapped tin foil.


Somehow, Italien "technology" doesn't give me much confidence anymore...

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:51 | 899944 Freddie
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Look you dumb Belgian van Rompuy - see Kimi Raikkonen at Spa circa 2009 in a Ferrari.    You know Spa in Belgium - possibly the greatest race track in the world.

What is he driving?

It's red isn't it?


Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:59 | 900211 viahj
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uhmm, yeah as a Kimi and Ferrari fan, even i have to point out that the KERS caught fire at least once

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:20 | 900295 Batty Koda
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They are either conmen, complete fucking retards who can't count or they have discovered a viable method of cold fusion.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:59 | 899765 LowProfile
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The 'we cannot explain it' excuse is frequently used by frauds

WTF, there is no working theory for the "how" of magnetisim or gravity, either..!

Your douchebaggery must be your super power!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:43 | 899922 More Critical T...
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Erm, this is not the theory of everything - this is in essence old fashioned applied physics and they refuse to offer any tangible (and testable) theory about what's going on. That is, to put it mildly, pretty damn lame. They should at minimum let an experimental physicist close to the experiment for a day or two, if for some reason they want to forfeit the well-deserved Nobel prize to him.


Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:11 | 899797 ATG
Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:11 | 899799 Calmyourself
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Lack of a disprovable theory, in other words Global warming.  Remember no matter what happens its Global Warming, the original disprovable "science".

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 00:59 | 901668 Lower Class Elite
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Let me guess; it's cold where you are right now. Global warming my ass, right? You just keep on believing that homo sapiens aren't shitting in their nest on a scale orders of magnitude greater than any other species in the history of life on Earth.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:10 | 900255 Batty Koda
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I suppose you still believe that we're all going to melt by 2020 because of the dreaded GLOBAL WARMING don't you? After all it's peer reviewed science, scientists aren't corruptable are they?

In case you hadn't noticed scientists are full of bullshit, they are bought and paid for by corporate interests and guess what, energy companies like money, they would be very sad if they all went out of business.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:07 | 899522 King_of_simpletons
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The lack of theoritical explanation cannot be used to disprove/debunk an empirical evidence. This only means more research is needed to formulate a theory.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:11 | 899567 tmosley
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This is true.  If their results are reproducible, they should have at least published in an ENGINEERING publication.  

All they have to do is file a patent, then publish the layout of the device, and provide detailed instructions for how to make the device work for the reviewers.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:14 | 899582 goldmiddelfinger
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They have a patent. Shouldn't you be winding your doomsday clock and checking your peanut butter hoard?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:43 | 899703 FrankIvy
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They don't have a patent.  Patents are published.  If they had a patent, you could link me to it.  You can't.  Because they don't.  They claim to have a patent pending, which means, only that they have filed a patent application.  Patent applications are not public, usually, until 18 months after filing.  And, for the record, filing a patent application does not mean a patent will be granted.  It simply means a patent has been requested.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:13 | 899808 ATG
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5000 C not exactly cold fusion...

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:32 | 899872 Hephasteus
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OMG in farenheit. That's OVER 9000!!!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:27 | 900090 Alienated Serf
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+1 for dragon ball z ref.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:32 | 900107 luigi
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yes but the lower range is 150C...

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 05:34 | 901908 Hephasteus
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OMG in farenheit that's about 300!!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 19:55 | 900697 FrankIvy
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That's not a patent.  That's a patent application filed under the Patent Cooperation Treaty.  Further, they don't appear to use the word "fusion" in the application.


Why not?

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 03:39 | 901826 MrJoy
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Claims only specify exothermal reaction, which is correct from a patent engineer's point of view. If you can, formulate claims that cover as much as possible. Therefore, they use "exothermal" rather than nuclear or chemical reaction.

Also, chech out the actual patent description in addition to the formal claims. It specifies several times that fusion is taking place.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:00 | 899516 Sudden Debt
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Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:07 | 899549 Uncle Sugar
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Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:08 | 899788 Calmyourself
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Nicely played

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:33 | 899376 papaswamp
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You can't eat oil either...but the oil companies pay dividends until someone comes out with something making their purpose obsolete.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:36 | 899417 El Hosel
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Free money with a free copper chaser... Make it  a double.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:42 | 899446 gold mining ceo...
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sigh..I'm always a step behind the "eat it" mantra

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:52 | 900174 NaN
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This slashdot poster nails it:

[ by number6x (626555) on Monday January 24, @12:38PM (#34983290) ]

[...] from the reaction and results this looks like chemistry as well. They have built a very expensive and not very practical chemical battery. Reducing the layer of oxidized nickel in the presence of oxygen and hydrogen is an exothermic reaction that produces heat  at about the levels shown in this experiment. This is chemistry they are doing. The hydrogen is combining with oxygen and producing steam. There are about 50ppm of copper in nickel and they are merely extracting it.

[...] They should call up a mining engineer or just google the 'Sherritt-Gordon process' to learn more about what they are actually doing. What they are doing is [separating] the nickel and the copper that occurs naturally.


Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:07 | 899289 Ckierst1
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You beat me to the punch with this.  About all I can add is that it might be a new Ponsi scheme.

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