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Italian Scientists Claim To Have Discovered Nickel-Hydrogen Cold Fusion, Create Copper As Byproduct

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According to PhysOrg.com, two Italian scientists from the University of Bologna have taken on one of physics' historically most discredited concepts, cold fusion, and have actually succeeded in creating a sustainable reaction. Aside from the major implications of the energy market should this be validated and recreated (an issue that buried the original Cold Fusion discovery by Stanley Pons and Martin Fleishmann), one of the more economically important side effects of this purported rediscovery is that one of the byproducts of the reaction is none other than recently uber-bubbleicious copper. One wonders what the implications for the copper supply and demand curves (and equilibrium price) would be should the reaction documented by Andrea Rossi and Sergio Focardi be proven to not be a hoax. Is modern day alchemy the only thing that can dethrone copper from its historic price highs?

From Physorg:

Few areas of science are more controversial than cold fusion, the hypothetical near-room-temperature reaction in which two smaller nuclei join together to form a single larger nucleus while releasing large amounts of energy. In the 1980s, Stanley Pons and Martin Fleishmann claimed to have demonstrated cold fusion - which could potentially provide the world with a cheap, clean energy source - but their experiment could not be reproduced. Since then, all other claims of cold fusion have been illegitimate, and studies have shown that cold fusion is theoretically implausible, causing mainstream science to become highly speculative of the field in general.

Despite the intense skepticism, a small community of scientists is still investigating near-room-temperature fusion reactions. The latest news occurred last week, when Italian scientists Andrea Rossi and Sergio Focardi of the University of Bologna announced that they developed a cold fusion device capable of producing 12,400 W of heat power with an input of just 400 W. Last Friday, the scientists held a private invitation press conference in Bologna, attended by about 50 people, where they demonstrated what they claim is a nickel-hydrogen fusion reactor. Further, the scientists say that the reactor is well beyond the research phase; they plan to start shipping commercial devices within the next three months and start mass production by the end of 2011.

Rossi and Focardi say that, when the atomic nuclei of nickel and hydrogen are fused in their reactor, the reaction produces copper and a large amount of energy. The reactor uses less than 1 gram of hydrogen and starts with about 1,000 W of electricity, which is reduced to 400 W after a few minutes. Every minute, the reaction can convert 292 grams of 20°C water into dry steam at about 101°C. Since raising the temperature of water by 80°C and converting it to steam requires about 12,400 W of power, the experiment provides a power gain of 12,400/400 = 31. As for costs, the scientists estimate that electricity can be generated at a cost of less than 1 cent/kWh, which is significantly less than coal or natural gas plants.

Several videos highlighting and supposedly validating the discovery have been released which we reproduce below, primarily for the benefit of our Italian-speaking readers, as they have yet to be translated in other languages.



And before the skeptics scream this is nothing but another scientific fraud, here are some of the third party reactions to the finding.

  • Hope Grows as Journals Weigh in on Italian Cold Fusion Breakthrough (link)
  • Specifics of Andrea Rossi’s “Energy Catalyzer” Test, University of Bologna, 1/14/2001 (link)
  • Directory:Andrea A. Rossi Cold Fusion Generator (link)
  • Rossi and Focardi LENR Device: Probably Real, With Credit to Piantelli (link)
  • Rossi Discovery – What to Say? (link)
  • Rossi and Focardi LENR Device: The Melich and Macy Reports (link)
  • Focardi and Rossi Energy Catalyzer first jan 14 demo videos and summary of an online Question and Answer session from Jan 15 (link)

Obviously, should this discovery be validated by the global community and should wholesale cheap energy production based on this principle be adopted, the implications for the global economy will be unparalleled.

 


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Mon, 01/24/2011 - 13:58 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Again with the cold fusion?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Salinger
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"University of Bologna" says it all

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:04 | Link to Comment end times prophet
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Fusion? Energy?  It isn't worth anything at all.  You can't eat it and it doesn't pay dividends.  How useless.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:19 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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AAPL announces nickel-powered iPAD that shits pennies out of its flash drive slot!!!  It's the tablet that pays you back.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:31 | Link to Comment Lost My Shorts
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Nickel, bitchez !!!

(had to be said, sorry)

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:45 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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Italian Scientists Claim To Have Discovered Nickel-Hydrogen Cold Fusion, Create Copper As Byproduct

[...]

 

And before the skeptics scream this is nothing but another scientific fraud,

Dude, all you need to do is to read the fine news articles to become somewhat sceptical:

Rossi and Focardi’s paper on the nuclear reactor has been rejected by peer-reviewed journals, but the scientists aren’t discouraged. They published their paper in the Journal of Nuclear Physics, an online journal founded and run by themselves, which is obviously cause for a great deal of skepticism. They say their paper was rejected because they lack a theory for how the reaction works. According to a press release in Google translate, the scientists say they cannot explain how the cold fusion is triggered, “but the presence of copper and the release of energy are witnesses.”

All those mainstream physics journals, who are usually in a cut-throat competition to publish the next Nobel-winning article all turned these guys down? Not only did they refuse to be associated with the next Nobel prize but they also refused the opportunity to possibly co-author patents that are worth trillions? They refused to be involved in technology that could save the lives of millions of people per year and could catapult this planet into the space age?

What clueless idiots! Tyler, you should invest in these guys instead, you clearly have an edge :-)

 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:56 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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"They say their paper was rejected because they lack a theory for how the reaction works."

Peer review rejects 99.99% of submitted papers if they do not jive with the Flat Earth Theory. I can't explain the Physics of driving a car, yet still, I can drive a car ... to bad Gold isn't the by-product.

 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:21 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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Erm, no, you are missing the finer point here.

"Lack of theory" is the international code word for fraud and junk science.

It's the "get out of jail free" card for fraudsters, because, if it accidentally turns out that no-one else can reproduce their experiments they can claim "well, too bad, we were lucky, unfortunately we have no explanation for it either and cannot reproduce it anymore either".

If the phenomenon is really occuring and repeatable then it's about 1 day of work for a good postgrad physics student to measure the crap out of it and whip up at least 10 theories of how it's possible. Or they could hire one if they really dont want the next ten Nobel prizes for themselves :-)

The 'we cannot explain it' excuse is frequently used by frauds to not be liable legally, so journals are quite cautious in such situations - they got burned enough times in the past, especially when it comes to 'cold fusion' which gets everyone as excited as a Facebook IPO gets US investors crazy.

If you are an investor and if you ever hear those magic weasel words in confidential negotiations then excuse yourself from the room pronto and get the heck out of there - it's a waste of time and money.

 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:22 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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Okay man I'm with you, yes it is more than likely a con.

 

Any thoughts on this? Pretty amazing toward the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDyuI6UM4pQ

 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:37 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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Amazing video! The atmosphere is an amazingly complex system and it keeps surprising us again and again - partly because it's so large which makes it so hard to measure it in a controlled environment and which makes it so hard to model.

(Ball lightning is probably also one of the few remaining unexplained here-on-Earth phenomenons that will give us some really eye-popping explanation IMO.)

Elementary particle physics or even chemistry not so much: especially not in the small-scale, low-energy, common-ingredients setup these guys described. It's very well researched, it has very good tools and it matters economically so if you truly find some excitingly new phenomenon there your path to success will be short, sweet and prosperous - and it will definitely not be marked by rejected articles ...

 

 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:17 | Link to Comment Batty Koda
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Ball lightning is probably something to do with plasma physics, a neglected area of science because plsma physicists tend not to believe the nuclear theory of stars so they are sidelined and called kooks by the cosmologists.

Cosmologists like money as much as energy companies do, therefore they ignore the plasma physicists case because they don't want to be out of a job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7oPdXN_gt4

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 20:30 | Link to Comment margaris
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If you go to the link http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-01-italian-scientists-cold-fusion-video.html

you will find a link to a description paper (PDF) http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MacyMspecificso.pdf

 

Now what I find laughable is that in this PDF already in the title there is a grave SPELLING MISTAKE. lol

The date is 2001 instead of 2011.

Now I ask you: As you might know such science papers are usually spellchecked by like 3 different people and have to always be top notch language, perfect grammar and superbly prepared and researched if they are to gain some respect in the science world.

To see such an UNFORGIVABLE Error on the TITLE of the paper really shows us with what kind of people we are dealing here.

Yeah yeah, they cant even proof-read a short article, but are claiming to have found cold fusion. Ridiculous...

Lets see how long it takes them to fix the mistake.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 22:21 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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Weird theories you have there.

In reality plasma physicists are highly respected and are building tokamaks or are contributing to particle accelerator development - or are members of one of the teams around satellite based sun observatories. (Not to mention the ones building weapons systems.)

Most cosmologists are busy explaining/simulating galaxy cluster formation patterns and cosmic micro-wave background patterns - not entirely unconnected to plasma physics but hardly in a big overlap.They are either heavy-duty mathematicians or they are programmers. Generally they dont make any 'big money' nor are they embedded with the industry - unless you count the occasional Hawkings book as 'big money'.

Plasma physicists are generally good experimental physicists.

So while the culture does not match, there's not enough overlap for any of your conspiracies.

Ball lightning is under-researched for two simple reasons: it's very, very rare compared to other phenomenons, and it's also very dangerous: ball lightning has killed scores of people - and it's not even the thunderstorms that make them so dangerous - they can move very quickly, often through seemingly solid obstacles, and they can literally burn through or blind people. Not exactly a career magnet.

But yes, it's probably an exotic form of plasma. Or maybe (maybe ...) anti-matter. Or who knows what else. This is certainly an interesting planet to live on.

 

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 00:27 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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Once upon a time, Ball Plasma was a common phenomena in the Appalachian Mountains, there are accounts of "floating balls of light" appearing on the mountain side, floating through an open window, and pass through the Cabin, then exit through another window.

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 00:37 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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You are probably referring to Brown Mountain Lights:

http://www.mysticalblaze.com/PlacesBrownMtnLights.htm

Which are possibly related to, but not the same things as ball lightning. Ball lightning is absolutely deadly, it can kill man and cattle, while Brown Mountain Lights appear to be more benign.

One problem is that such rare natural phenomena often get mixed up with outright fraud such as most UFO sightings or crop circles - which makes real witnesses less reliable and harder to mine for hard data scientifically.

It's also a hard field socially: if you've ever talked to a true UFO believer you'll know what I mean :-)

Real witnesses are also more reluctant to step forward and talk about their experience.

It's not an insurmountable problem though, so I expect it to be solved eventually: the exponential growth of ever improving mobile video capture devices will sooner or later provide a critical mass of hard scientific evidence.

The remaining open, unsolved scientific questions are naturally those which have some inherent difficulty in them - or, as in this case, which have a string of inherent difficulties :-)

 

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Batty Koda
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I wasn't implying that cosmologists are being bribed, they simply want to keep their jobs. If electromagnetic phenomenon were found to be more influential then gravity over intergalactic distances then the knowledge base of the current crop of cosmologists would be mostly redundant, not to mention the humiliation of being so horribly wrong while mocking anybody who disagrees with them.

You may not of heard about the controversy between some plasma physicists and mainstream cosmology over the importance of electromagnetism over large distances, it's too complicated to explain here but if your interested in that kind of thing you should look it up.

I'm undecided on the subject but I really don't like the way scientists with unconventional opinions are ostracised by the mainstream.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050211thirtyyears.htm

Wed, 02/02/2011 - 00:35 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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Sorry, but if you've ever studied physics and checked the data you'll see that the 'Electric Cosmos' is pure quackery - wrapped up in enough terminus technicus for the general public to not recognize it as quackery.

Cosmologists don't care whether it's gravity or electromagnetics that rules the universe over large distances (or both), both involve difficult to solve differential equations :-)

In fact both involve computer simulations in practice, so cosmologists quite literally do not care what the equations are and how they are named - they follow satellite data, create their models and run the simulations and that's it. They are morphing the equations all the time, in search of explaining new phenomena.

 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:02 | Link to Comment eddiebe
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I'm still not convinced that Pons and Fleischman were'nt silenced. After all, supposedly their experiment was successfully confirmed in Japan. Would 'BIG ENERGY' allow this to get out without wanting to be in complete control? Likely the pair of Bolognese will disappear after being bought out or scared shitless ( or suffering an unfortunate accident) by economic hit men, and it will continue to be business as usual.

 Still it may not hurt to keep alert to news of this and do a bit of research into nickel producers/juniors.

 After all I believe it was another close neighbor of theirs that was laughed at for believing the world was round and another that was nearly killed for claiming the earth was not the center of the solar system not so long ago.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:36 | Link to Comment margaris
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I second everything you said.

Michael Shermer puts it all together in his Baloney Detection Kit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUB4j0n2UDU

Its about critical thinking, not believing and not claiming anything.

Only falsifying is the way to go. As a scientist you MUST try to destroy your own theory ALL THE TIME.

Only this will give your theory enormous credibility if it survives your testing.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:04 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Italian technology tends to destroy itself anyway.

Anybody forgot about those new Ferraris that cought fire because... of nothing?

 

My former car used to be a Alfa. B E A U T I F U L L and a chick magnet.

But the local car shop was like a second home and when I crashed it, it looked like wrapped tin foil.

 

Somehow, Italien "technology" doesn't give me much confidence anymore...

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:51 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Look you dumb Belgian van Rompuy - see Kimi Raikkonen at Spa circa 2009 in a Ferrari.    You know Spa in Belgium - possibly the greatest race track in the world.

What is he driving?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEBXdv_ZxCA

It's red isn't it?

 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:59 | Link to Comment viahj
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uhmm, yeah as a Kimi and Ferrari fan, even i have to point out that the KERS caught fire at least once

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:20 | Link to Comment Batty Koda
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IT IS NOT A THEORY, IT IS AN INVENTION

They are either conmen, complete fucking retards who can't count or they have discovered a viable method of cold fusion.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:59 | Link to Comment LowProfile
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The 'we cannot explain it' excuse is frequently used by frauds

WTF, there is no working theory for the "how" of magnetisim or gravity, either..!

Your douchebaggery must be your super power!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:43 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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Erm, this is not the theory of everything - this is in essence old fashioned applied physics and they refuse to offer any tangible (and testable) theory about what's going on. That is, to put it mildly, pretty damn lame. They should at minimum let an experimental physicist close to the experiment for a day or two, if for some reason they want to forfeit the well-deserved Nobel prize to him.

 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:11 | Link to Comment ATG
Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:11 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Lack of a disprovable theory, in other words Global warming.  Remember no matter what happens its Global Warming, the original disprovable "science".

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 00:59 | Link to Comment Lower Class Elite
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Let me guess; it's cold where you are right now. Global warming my ass, right? You just keep on believing that homo sapiens aren't shitting in their nest on a scale orders of magnitude greater than any other species in the history of life on Earth.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:10 | Link to Comment Batty Koda
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I suppose you still believe that we're all going to melt by 2020 because of the dreaded GLOBAL WARMING don't you? After all it's peer reviewed science, scientists aren't corruptable are they?

In case you hadn't noticed scientists are full of bullshit, they are bought and paid for by corporate interests and guess what, energy companies like money, they would be very sad if they all went out of business.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:07 | Link to Comment King_of_simpletons
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The lack of theoritical explanation cannot be used to disprove/debunk an empirical evidence. This only means more research is needed to formulate a theory.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:11 | Link to Comment tmosley
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This is true.  If their results are reproducible, they should have at least published in an ENGINEERING publication.  

All they have to do is file a patent, then publish the layout of the device, and provide detailed instructions for how to make the device work for the reviewers.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:14 | Link to Comment goldmiddelfinger
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They have a patent. Shouldn't you be winding your doomsday clock and checking your peanut butter hoard?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:43 | Link to Comment FrankIvy
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They don't have a patent.  Patents are published.  If they had a patent, you could link me to it.  You can't.  Because they don't.  They claim to have a patent pending, which means, only that they have filed a patent application.  Patent applications are not public, usually, until 18 months after filing.  And, for the record, filing a patent application does not mean a patent will be granted.  It simply means a patent has been requested.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:13 | Link to Comment ATG
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5000 C not exactly cold fusion...

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:32 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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OMG in farenheit. That's OVER 9000!!!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:27 | Link to Comment Alienated Serf
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+1 for dragon ball z ref.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:32 | Link to Comment luigi
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yes but the lower range is 150C...

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 05:34 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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OMG in farenheit that's about 300!!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 19:55 | Link to Comment FrankIvy
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That's not a patent.  That's a patent application filed under the Patent Cooperation Treaty.  Further, they don't appear to use the word "fusion" in the application.

 

Why not?

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 03:39 | Link to Comment MrJoy
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Claims only specify exothermal reaction, which is correct from a patent engineer's point of view. If you can, formulate claims that cover as much as possible. Therefore, they use "exothermal" rather than nuclear or chemical reaction.

Also, chech out the actual patent description in addition to the formal claims. It specifies several times that fusion is taking place.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:00 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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+1000000

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:07 | Link to Comment Uncle Sugar
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+1

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:08 | Link to Comment Calmyourself
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Nicely played

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:33 | Link to Comment papaswamp
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You can't eat oil either...but the oil companies pay dividends until someone comes out with something making their purpose obsolete.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:36 | Link to Comment El Hosel
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Free money with a free copper chaser... Make it  a double.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:42 | Link to Comment gold mining ceo...
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sigh..I'm always a step behind the "eat it" mantra

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:52 | Link to Comment NaN
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This slashdot poster nails it:

[ by number6x (626555) on Monday January 24, @12:38PM (#34983290) ]

[...] from the reaction and results this looks like chemistry as well. They have built a very expensive and not very practical chemical battery. Reducing the layer of oxidized nickel in the presence of oxygen and hydrogen is an exothermic reaction that produces heat  at about the levels shown in this experiment. This is chemistry they are doing. The hydrogen is combining with oxygen and producing steam. There are about 50ppm of copper in nickel and they are merely extracting it.

[...] They should call up a mining engineer or just google the 'Sherritt-Gordon process' to learn more about what they are actually doing. What they are doing is [separating] the nickel and the copper that occurs naturally.

 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Ckierst1
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You beat me to the punch with this.  About all I can add is that it might be a new Ponsi scheme.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:08 | Link to Comment txapela
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The University of Bologna, founded in 1088. It is the oldest continually operated university in the world. The word 'universitas' actually comes from this institution, since it is the original university.

 

United States of America, founded in 1776. The land where Snooki is a best selling author.

 

Troll.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:16 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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All is WELL in the US! DOW is up, and Snooki in a drunken stupor showed her coochie to another stranger!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:18 | Link to Comment Whizbang
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If I were you, I'd put all my money into developing this discovery further. You could make a fortune.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:38 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
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what? snooki's coochie?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:11 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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Hey, watch it. Snooki might be a troglodyte, but she's OUR troglodyte.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:13 | Link to Comment Gaston
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What would you say if I told you I had created a cereal that would make everyone who ate it beautiful?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:41 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
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i'd trade you for some of my Einstein fudge

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:46 | Link to Comment Agent P
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I'd ask you why you haven't tried your own product yet.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:17 | Link to Comment Whizbang
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+100,000 degrees k. hey tyler, I've got a car that runs on water too, if you're interested :)

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:48 | Link to Comment Dr. Acula
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>I've got a car that runs on water too

But only if the water is from the Gulf of Mexico.

 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:51 | Link to Comment Dr. Acula
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>I've got a car that runs on water too

But only if the water is from the Gulf of Mexico.

 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:01 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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No, that water is for jet engines only.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:32 | Link to Comment tewkatz
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Depends on where in the water-column you siphon your fuel...fractionization via plankton. (*cry*)

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:19 | Link to Comment Larry Darrell
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You may jest, but I believe it was BMW that built a motorcycle which ran on water in the 1980's.  Concept was fairly simple.  A tightly packed coil of aluminum in the center of a tank filled with water.  Electric sent through the coil caused release of oxygen molecules from the Aluminum coil--Al203 became charged Al202--which would then rip oxygen from water to reoxidize and they were left with released hydrogen gas which was then burned.

The result, however, was that the aluminum coil ended up as a junk bauxite material with no other practical uses, and the coil didn't have a very long life cycle.  Between that and the "other interests" (aka big oil) the product never made the market.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:19 | Link to Comment Piranhanoia
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No baloney; the hospital across town hosts the doctor that has created a treatment that relieves suffering with MS without drugs.  Imagine who wants to suppress that? (the only current treatment being pharma product that costaplenty and works like a placebo) Dr. Paulo Zamboni.   But yeah, they do get the funny names club award due to it being a meat grinder of a city.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:41 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Bingo!  Zamboni's wife suffered from MS. Both of them are fairly young.  His discovery was almost a miracle as he used an MRI to try to figure out why MS sufferers were different from ordinary people.  It was twisted key veins in the neck and upper chest.  As you said - the drug companies have gone after him because MS drugs probably do $20 billion.  Forza Italia!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:24 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Cure for cancer:

http://www.bamboo-delight.com/download/Cure_Cancer_with_Baking_Soda.htm

Money runs thicker than blood.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Orly
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Interesting.  Thanks.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:59 | Link to Comment Rick64
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 Very enlightning. Thanks

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:18 | Link to Comment Biosci
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Yes, there is a giant industry with some fairly rigid, and fairly idiotic, ideas about what constitutes a 'treatment' for cancer, as well as what constitutes a 'better treatment.'

But most of the info in this post is drivel.  The biochemistry is mostly flawed and in some cases flat wrong.  The cancer biology is also badly misinterpreted.  Yes, normal cells require oxygen to generate energy from sugar; yes, cancer cells preferentially go around this requirement but in doing so use a much more inefficient process; no, it does not then follow that increased oxygen to cancer cells will kill them, or harm them in any way.  Also, if your blood had any serious problem transporting oxygen, it wouldn't be red.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:58 | Link to Comment Common_Cents22
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There are no shortcuts to good health and prevention is worth billions of dollars of cure.

Your body tries to maintain a PH balance, in doing so, if you eat more acidic food your body will store it in fat.   Being more alkaline will allow body to break down and burn the fat.

Check out the PH diet books, they talk about the exact same thing, becoming more alkaline.   Because our body stores acid in fat.   Diabetes should rarely exist but it is prevalent in the US along w/ heart trouble but absent in other cultures who eat more veggies/fish and little sugar etc....

 

moderate diet and excercise is always the real answer.  and is the cheapest solution.  That's why it isn't promoted heavily by the medical community.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:36 | Link to Comment Alienated Serf
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i'd rank his invention to clean the ice at halftime slightly higher then his silly medical work.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:05 | Link to Comment dannyadornato
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The University of Bologna was one of, if not the first of the modern universities founded during the Renaissance. Enrico Fermi from Italy and who I believe worked at the same said university was one of the scientists that made the Manhattan project (aka development of the atomic bomb) possible. Get an education, and some culture while your at it instead of letting us all know that you clearly lack one.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:36 | Link to Comment Batty Koda
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How dare you insult a skeptic like that, your the stupid one, you believe in cold fusion. His lackadaisical dismissal of the scientists work clearly displays his higher intellect.

(for all you Americans, that was sarcasm.)

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:24 | Link to Comment luigi
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In a positive sense, yes. The university of Bologna is the ancienst in europe its roots dating back to 1088 a.c. For startesrs you could search in google for Luigi Galvani more or less contemporary to Alessandro Volta, who was at Pavia university ("galvanic"... "volt" anybody?). Maybe the phenomena showed by these researchers is true, mybe not, but this has no relation whatsoever whith the supposed lack of quality of Bologna University. It may be hard to believe abroad, but there is much of Italy which is better than our miserable political image may led you to believe, and it is very hard for the ones among us who are serious and respectable citizens of our disgraced Country, having to defend the little good we still have while the psycodwarf makes international headlines whith his "bunga-bunga". Sorry for the rant

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:43 | Link to Comment Freddie
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A renowned and retired Univ of Bologna with over 800 sci papers to his credit was one of the first to call global warming - total BS.  Contrast this to many major uni's in the USA and NASA who keep pushing the global warming fraud.

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 02:28 | Link to Comment rassillon
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My cold fusion has a first name.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:04 | Link to Comment Bearster
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Ayup.  To credit Pons and Fleishman with "discovering" cold fusion is like crediting Bernanke with discovering how to print wealth on an HP Inkjet!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:07 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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CF == the widow-maker

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:42 | Link to Comment e_goldstein
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yep. hope they don't use hot tubs.

 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:08 | Link to Comment Whatta
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sub byline:

Laws of Thermodynamics Repealed. oy.

Up next, Unicorn sightings in Madrid.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 18:42 | Link to Comment Batty Koda
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Oh the law of thermodynamics, the idiots mantra for protecting the interests of big oil. Do you dispute the theory of nuclear fusion? Or don't you understand the bullshit you are spouting?

If you can find a way to make nuclei bind together without smashing them into each other at high speeds you have discovered cold fusion, thermodynamics doesn't come into it.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:33 | Link to Comment Lucy in the min...
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Yep again!

Here an article from italian newspaper about it:

http://translate.google.it/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=it&ie=UTF-8&layout=...

and here a little view about italian research on cold fusion:

http://translate.google.it/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=it&ie=UTF-8&layout=...

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 13:58 | Link to Comment goldmiddelfinger
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No FDA approval needed.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 13:59 | Link to Comment Kristian
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bad news for JPM?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:03 | Link to Comment bonddude
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Obama and Bush discuss more banking alchemy.

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/8287439/

as for CF, doubt it.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:10 | Link to Comment bonddude
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evildoer bankers call the FDIC "EVIL" -ridiculous

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20110123/ARTICLES/110129792/1036/bu...

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 13:59 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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I bet they both commit suicide within a year.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:02 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Couldnt handle the fame, drunk driving and fell on a bullet to the face twice.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:08 | Link to Comment bigdumbnugly
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lol, yeah, somehow i think this story goes away quietly.  didn't jpm just about corner the long side of the copper market?  this alchemy nuisance by the italians probably wasn't on their chalkboards when they drew up that scheme.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:30 | Link to Comment trav7777
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Look; there is no entity or collection thereof powerful enough to suppress such a scientific breakthrough.

JPM does not control the world; neither does Exxon.  Anyone could produce a perpetual motion device if one were invented and someone outside the reach of the mighty JPM/Exxon axis of evil, and with State backing, would do so.

WTF, would we be nuking Cuba because Castro decided to mass produce these?  Russia?  Brazil?  Any one of us who is not US-centric could rattle off a couple dozen nations we have no real power over.  Even what power we do have, the military and the dollar, rely on energy for their virility.  Nations immune to the petrodollar racket can do as they please and nuclear weapons are no longer hard to come by.

Seriously, if such a device were real, anyone who produced it would CRUSH those who tried to remain on oil alone.  The great wars of the 20th Century were won by those with the energy reserves; the poorer nations of Germany and Japan simply could not compete in terms of power output - that is why they lost.  It is no accident that the world #1 and #2 oil producers became the superpowers of the oil age, a condition which persisted until their production peaked.

It's as ordinary as the nations who had the gold being the richest in the goldmoney era.  Whoever mastered cold fusion would be the dominant power going forward; nothing whatsoever could stop such a thing.  If you had coldfusion, you could very publicly tell JPM and the United States to go fuck themselves.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:59 | Link to Comment Pants McPants
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(yawn)....more peak oil from you.  Some things never change.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:39 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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Peak Baloney (University of) in this case.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:39 | Link to Comment trav7777
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my very own troll...I've arrived!

dance for me cupcake

Tue, 01/25/2011 - 00:36 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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by Pants McPants
on Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:59
#899764

(yawn)....more peak oil from you.  Some things never change.

*********************************************************

Peak affordable oil... Peak Sweet Lite Crude... You dumb fuck! $60bbl oil... instead of the $300bbl that it should be, you dumb fuck... learn something and then come back.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYuLjGQQ-jg

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:00 | Link to Comment patience...
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And JP Morgue has now cornered the Nickel market.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:03 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Just imagine if the byproduct would have been silver :)

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Cdad
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Obviously, should this discovery be validated by the global community and should wholesale cheap energy production based on this principle be adopted, the implications for the global economy will be unparalleled.

Unparalleled...correct, as we watch the JP Morgue attempt to corner a market previously not known to exist...and attempting to do so in milliseconds.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:25 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Quick JP Morgue! Invent a hydrogen ETF!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:36 | Link to Comment trav7777
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If this invention were legitimate, the COMEX and all of JPM's supposed positions are instantly irrelevant.

In fact, the power of the USA in terms of petrodollars would be irrelevant and immediately repudiated.  The long futures contracts JPM possessed would be reneged upon as real materials suppliers told them to go get fucked and aligned themselves with the new coldfusion superpowers.

If you had coldfusion, you could stand up your own reserve currency; energy IS political power.  Major nickel reserves holders and producers would align with you and use the technology in concert.

Who would not want to be out from under the thumb of the US's petrodollar oil cartel?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:43 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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I nominate trav7777 as a committee of one to stay on top of this earth shaking development in the production of energy perpetual motion machine.  If you are willing to take on the job, Trav, get back to us with reports of how the thing is moving along.  I'd do it myself, but keeping track of Mandy's neckline is quite time consuming.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:01 | Link to Comment Thoreau
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This would (re)write the future. I don't see it; but who knows?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:01 | Link to Comment Commander Cody
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Hot fusion scientists get their knickers in a twist!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:01 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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Already been pretty thoroughly debunked.  Everything magical occurs in a black box they will not make available for analysis.  (probably has a battery inside).

 

Odds 99.99% it is bogus.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:03 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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Congrat's! your programing is complete.. please make your way to the Rep's Palin work shop. Praise God!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Crummy
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The catalyst is orphan.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:40 | Link to Comment Cash_is_Trash
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Enrico Fermi bitchezz

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:37 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Maybe it runs on the desperation and broken dreams of the world's working class.  Unfortunately, this device has already been mastered by the federal reserve.  And they actually know why it works.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:01 | Link to Comment nate28jf
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baloney

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:48 | Link to Comment quasimodo
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Bologna, there-fixed it

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:03 | Link to Comment SteveNYC
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Well, we created Mortgage Backed Securities, CDO's (squared AND cubed), CDS, and exotically structured ponzi finance instruments. Stick that in your pipe and smoke, Italy! Heck, we even took an Italian (Ponzi) and turned his ideology into a religion!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:02 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Show me the patent.  As far as I can tell, they have no idea how or why it works, but claim that it does, and does so on a highly repeatable level, such that they have already built multiple prototypes and are apparently going ahead with production on the devices.

I guess we will have a Mr. Fusion before 2015.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:28 | Link to Comment goldmiddelfinger
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Why would anyone show you a patent? You aint got anything but 500 posts per day bulling gold. Useless. Less than.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:37 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Nobody cares what you have to say.  You've got 2000 posts a day calling people names and 0 with any contribution.  Nothing but a drive by troll.

As it happens, I have a scientific background, and can read and understand processes laid out in patents or scientific papers.  They have not published a scientific paper, nor did they release any useful information in their new journal that they made up.  They do claim to be very far along, as they say they are starting mass production.  The only place likely to have a description of what they actually did will be the patent office.  If there is no patent, then if they had a real technology, they would be begging to lose it.  SO again, I say show me the patent.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:44 | Link to Comment goldmiddelfinger
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You're down by 150 posts today and gold is only up $1 now. Post faster, I hear banjo music.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:19 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Drive along by, troll.  Zero contribution.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:22 | Link to Comment goldmiddelfinger
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Did you get paid for that post too?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:49 | Link to Comment dracos_ghost
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Actually they have filed a patent:

http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/wo.jsp?WO=2009125444

But it has been partially rejected:

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2011/36/Rossi-Patent-Application-WO-20...

I have a buddy at a national lab and he looked at some of the numbers and says the energy balances are suspect but they are keeping an open mind. Ni-H surface chemistries are pretty exotic so I think they may have been a little amateurish with their setup.

Who the hell knows. Maybe it is true. Wouldn't be a bad thing except for the NWO types.

These guys actually have production power plants based on a new model of hydrogen.

http://www.blacklightpower.com/

Real interesting stuff.

 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:52 | Link to Comment goldmiddelfinger
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tmosley is a paid poster on sekking alpha. That's scientific.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:26 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Nobody cares, and if they did, they would have no idea what you are talking about.

I haven't even posted there in ages.

What a maroon.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:30 | Link to Comment goldmiddelfinger
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You care.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:37 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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You're a great stalker. Did you used to phone people and ask them if they wanted to switch long distance to AT&T?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:43 | Link to Comment goldmiddelfinger
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You care too. You need to defend tmosley beause he is a hack gold pumper and you are his court joker.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:08 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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I'm not defending mosley. He's a big boy and can defend himself. I was just curious if you've been able to convert this stalker thing into a profitable career.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:25 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Thanks for that.  I'm going to read this over tonight and will post my thoughts.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:29 | Link to Comment goldmiddelfinger
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Why bother? No one will read it but me and I'll find 6 holes in your quack analysis in a quick scan. Stay on kitco you pumper.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:11 | Link to Comment Biosci
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I envy you.  Your life has a clarity of purpose that mine lacks.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 17:27 | Link to Comment Fearless Rick
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Hey, mosley and goldie, instead of arguing, BTFDYFI!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 16:49 | Link to Comment ATG
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Founded in 1991, promised a working prototype by 2000, so far burned $70 M in VC:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacklight_Power

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2000/5/17/academics-question-the-scien...

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:46 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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Plus if fusion was taking place it would create a radioactive isotope of nickel with a half life 70,000 years.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:48 | Link to Comment Dismal Scientist
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Shades of Back To The Future Part II...

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:03 | Link to Comment cowdiddly
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Sorry GE has multiple patents already

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:04 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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all of them? in all jurisdictions..

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:03 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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My Bologna has a first name. It's B-U-L-L...

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:04 | Link to Comment robobbob
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if true:

large amounts of low cost, high purity Cu will be available

crashing the price and leading to the collapse of mining operations

destroying the supply of its major biproduct?

so this article is bullish silver then?

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:04 | Link to Comment gwar5
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Bad news for Middle East and Hugo Chavez, and I wish it were true.

I think it's doubtful though. They have been turned down to be published by two peer reviewed journals.

Apparently, they can't explain exactly how it works themselves. That's the big tell.

 

 

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:08 | Link to Comment flacorps
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Practical applications have preceded theoretical understanding many times in history (though it's true not so much lately). So while I don't think it's necessarily fatal, I do agree with you that these guys are probably not for real.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:40 | Link to Comment Joe Davola
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Having navigated the kangaroo court of peer review, the publication process doesn't necessarily guarantee the resulting paper or data is terribly valid or useful.

As I commented in a discussion of climate change - if the science is correct, you don't need a consensus.  Time and independent confirmation will tell the final tale.  Watch who their initial funding comes from - when that benefactor pulls the plug, it's over (like when Toyota pulled their funds from Pons).

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:05 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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Nickel futures hit the roof. Copper down. JPM will have a field day with this one.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:05 | Link to Comment f16hoser
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Please make JPM's copper holdings worthless! That would be "Priceless!"

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:42 | Link to Comment Freddie
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LOL!  Two Italian scientists screw The JP Morgue and Blythe.  That would be priceless!

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:05 | Link to Comment Ancona
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Uh huh.....we'll see.

Junk science is way to quickly accepted by the sheeple. I will wait for a few months before buying my cold fusion reactor.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:22 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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AH yes, yet junk economics is totaly embraced and never questioned by the sheeple, no matter how ridiculous the farce.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 15:38 | Link to Comment trav7777
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the sheeple latch onto anything that gives them hope that no serious pain or change will be necessary.  Both coldfusion and economics science provide that cornucopian need

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:05 | Link to Comment flacorps
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I believe in cold fusion. But I think these turkeys are just running the long con.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:05 | Link to Comment Bigger Dickus
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AHAHAH. Those guys can't even make reliable cars, let alone run into cold fusion. It would be gunny if it wasn't so sad.

Mon, 01/24/2011 - 14:12 | Link to Comment flacorps
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Actually after taking billions off GM, FIAT actually started making reliable cars. It's one of the signs of the apocalypse, you know.

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