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It's Going To Implode: Buy Physical Gold - NOW

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Evidence seems to be mounting that we are headed towards some sort of implosion in the paper Gold market, and perhaps the currency/bond markets in general. Let’s take a look:

Jacksonville, FL based EverBank – a bank with approximately $8 billion in assets and 1800 employees according to the company website – recently sent this notice to customers (courtesy of Warren Bevan):

"Non-FDIC Insured Metals Select Changes" -

 

Section 6.3.7. General Terms: We have added language clarifying our right to close your account. We may close your Metals Select Account at anytime upon reasonable notice to you. If we believe that it is necessary to close your account immediately in order to limit losses by you or us [GG: We really don’t give a s**t about you; it’s us that we care about], we may close your account prior to providing notice to you. Notice from us to one of you is notice to all of you [GG: the nerve of these people!]. If we close your account, we reserve the right to convert your Precious Metals to U.S. dollars and tender the balance to you by mail [GG: I am willing to bet my entire Gold stash that when you receive these "converted" dollars, they will be nowhere near the market price of physical. What did you think that whole "limit losses" thing meant?] .

If you have a "Non FDIC Insured Metals Select" account with these people, you can pretty much say goodbye to any chances of ever seeing your metal. This is a clear sign that the (already tight) availability of physical metal at the manipulated Comex futures paper price is in danger of vanishing altogether. Think about it. What is the scenario in which they avoid catastrophic losses while at the same time sending you the US dollar value of the metal? When the official or Comex price has fully decoupled from the physical price. Expect to see more such notices from banks offering Metals "Investments".  

Citibank recently issued this notice to its checking account (remember the type of account where you thought you could withdraw your money whenever you wanted? Well, not anymore) customers (via Market Ticker):

Withdrawal Notice:

 

We reserve the right to require seven (7) days advance notice before permitting a withdrawal from all checking, savings and money market accounts. We currently do not exercise this right and have not exercised it in the past.

 

Hmm…let me see. Why would a bank need to impose withdrawal restrictions? Has this kind of a thing happened before somewhere? Could it be because of the danger of a bank run/capital flight from the United States?  Why would Citibank fear bank runs? Why would money flee the US banking system/US? Could it be because the entire US banking system and the US Government is INSOLVENT and people - fearing a collapse in the dollar’s value (in terms of real goods i.e. for all you Prechterites out there) - rush to withdraw money convert it into real goods such as precious metals? You tell me. Also, could they maybe increase this notice period from seven to whatever the hell they want whenever they want? What will you do then? Even if you don’t buy Gold with it, withdrawing your cash from America’s insolvent banks is a very wise strategy at this point.

One of Mish’s readers Construction Insider recently sent him this little nugget:

Hi Mish

I work in the construction business and something has been creeping to the forefront of my attention for the past few weeks and now it seems to be moving full steam ahead.

 

Banks are forcing developers/builders (especially smaller ones) to give up their properties (unsold homes and lots).

 

Banks say the reason is that the properties in question are no longer performing assets. I am sure there are some loans out there that are not performing and the owners are going under. I am equally sure that there are plenty of developers that are still selling homes - just not at the pace originally planned on the pro formas.

 

Having inside information on one of these scenarios that happened today, I cannot help but wonder what is really going on? The bank told a small developer/builder I work for that they were taking back his ongoing subdivision.

 

He is selling houses and updated pro formas would indicate that the current sales pace would exhaust all remaining lots within 33 months. Yet the bank stated they would only give him until April 15 to find alternative financing. The bank is also willing to let him buy the subdivision at a 33% discount to what is currently owed.

 

If he is unable to obtain this backing, the bank will let him walk away without penalty or consequence so they can write it off.

 

I have been on the phone trying to put some of these pieces together. It seems there are many banks doing the same thing. However, there is apparently no interest [or ability - Mish] from anyone wanting to pick up land/lots at 30% - 50% discounts to today's prices.

 

Another interesting point is that the banks all state that they must have these situations written off or taken care of by the end of Q2.

Looks to me like DaBoyz are calling in the loans while the currency still has some value. Does the government plan some type of overt currency devaluation or expect the dollar to collapse on the currency markets of its own sorry weight? The cracks are already appearing in the Bond market. Foreigners are increasingly fleeing the Treasury auctions. The only thing keeping them going is manufactured "deflation" fears from time-to-time. A recent 30 year auction (10th February, 2010 to be precise) practically failed. This is what Mr. Denninger had to say about it:

Bad.  Actually, let's go worse than bad and call it what it is - by any definition this is just one step off from "Failed."

 

The more-worrying factor here is that we've got this "mystery" direct buyers out here again taking nearly 25% of the offered amount (who is bidding for that undisclosed?) and another 11% taken down by The Fed for the SOMA account.

 

Yet even with this Treasury had to pay up to get it to go and the bid-to-cover was anemic at best.

 

Given the Primary Dealer system we have in this country, any BTC under 2.0 is an effective fail.  To get an auction that behaves in this sort of fashion, complete with mystery direct bidders and heavy SOMA (Fed) participation, yet Treasury has to pay up in the form of a significantly higher coupon is not a good sign at all.

And this is what happened on 23rd February, 2010 for a 4-week $37 billion Treasury Bill auction (Per Graham Summers):

There are times in life when one witnesses something so outside the scope of normal experience, that at first you don’t see it.

 

Captain Cook’s diaries tell us that upon first seeing his ships offshore in Australia, the aborigines expressed “neither surprise nor concern.” Cook notes that it was not until he and his men approached the shore in smaller, more familiar vessels that the villagers reacted, arming themselves as “the sight of men in small boats was comprehensible to them: it meant invasion.”

 

Well, I had a similar experience during yesterday’s bond auction.

 

Roughly, 27% of the auction took place at the highest rate. This means nearly one third of the demand from competitive bidders (those who care about yield) came at the HIGHEST yield that was accepted. In plain terms, this alone tells you that investors want higher yields from Treasuries since nearly a full third of the debt issuance took place at the highest REQUIRED yield.

Of the competitive bids (meaning those bids coming from folks who care about yield), roughly 70% went to Primary Dealers (investors who HAVE to buy the debt and who usually turn around and try to sell it afterwards). To put this number into perspective here is the percentage of competitive purchases made by Primary Dealers in the last four 4-week Treasury issuances:

 

 

...yesterday’s auction featured MORE buys from Primary Dealers than almost any of those occurring in 2010. Remember, Primary Dealers HAVE to buy Treasuries. So to see them buying a high percentage of Treasuries at debt auctions means that few investors who can pick and choose what to buy are actually looking to buy US debt.

 

Of the remaining competitive buys (about $8.86 billion), only 32% came from Direct Bidders or those who bought debt directly from the Treasury: orders that can easily be tracked. The other 68% ($5.9 billion) came from Indirect Bidders: folks who we cannot track.

 

Even more bizarre, only $5.9 billion in Indirect Bidder competitive buys were ACTUALLY OFFERED. So we had a 100% acceptance rate for Indirect Bidder competitive buys.

Let’s put this in perspective:

 

 

This means that the Treasury took up EVERY single cent of competitive bids coming from indirect buyers. Remember, indirect buyers are usually assumed to be foreign governments (even the Treasury website admits this).

 

If this was the case yesterday, then foreign governments barely bought much of anything in yesterday’s auction (only 19% of total debt issued). Moreover, it implies that Primary Dealers (those having to buy) had to gorge on the auction to make up for the fact that few if any foreign governments are interested in buying our debt anymore (including even short-term debt).

So basically the demand from the indirects (i.e. foreigners) for US Debt is drying up and the Treasury is taking all of whatever miniscule amounts they are offering. As if that was not enough, we had another similar auction on 9th Match, 2010 (via zerohedge):

Two weeks after the indirect hit ratio in the 4 week auction came at a record 100%, today it was once again at almost at the all time possible high, with Indirect Bids of just $6.744 billion taking down $6.683 billion, resulting in a 99.1% hit ratio. The chart of the recent Indirect hit ratio in recent 4 week bill auctions is attached:

What’s more, the yield doubled from two weeks ago. What we are witnessing here, in my opinion, is the beginning moves of a complete and total repudiation of the US Bond market, and indeed, all dollar denominated paper financial assets.

 

Jim Sinclair recently had two gentlemen from Poland and Russia speak up at his Toronto meeting. This is what they had to say (in Jim’s words):
Dear Extended Family,
 
I believe the most important event at our Toronto CIGA meeting was the testimony of two attendees.
 
Two men spoke independently. One is a Canadian resident from Russia and the other from Poland.

Both said the same thing, "All the signs that preceded our inflation of more than 100% per year are here now in the West."

What more do you need to know?

Regards, 
Jim

Any unbiased observer who knows how to put two and two together will be able to tell that something very fishy is going on. The urgency with which trillions in debt is being shoved down the market's throat at the worst possible time for the US Economy has the distinct smell of the government trying to extract every last bit of money from those stupid enough to buy the bonds before it all blows up. Rest assured, a huge chunk of this money is being funneled to the insiders who are most likely covertly using it up to buy real assets for themselves while keeping the crowds distracted with the stock market circus.
 
The bond market is the backbone of the US Ponzi Finance system. When it goes – and the day is not far in my opinion - the whole enchilada will come crashing down. Any type of financial asset that has a counterparty – which is pretty much all the paper assets in the world – bonds, futures, any and all derivatives and yes, even the paper currency – will crash. What will they crash against? Yes, that’s right - Gold. All the world’s capital – trillions, perhaps quadrillions of it - will come rushing into the very tiny physical (NOT paper) Gold market. Remember, the world’s real physical capital – real assets such as land, oil-refineries, mines, infrastructure, etc. will not vanish, only it will be re-priced in terms of Gold and its ownership transferred to those who hold it. Since everything stays on this planet, it is a zero-sum game and the winner will be Gold. In other words, an ounce of physical Gold will command a lot more in real purchasing power than it does today. Just like a national currency is a claim on goods and assets within that country, Gold will be a claim on global goods and assets worldwide.
 
Paper Gold Will FAIL
 
Today what you think of the price of Gold is nothing but the price of paper Gold. "What is the difference between the two? We are still getting the metal at the price we see on the COMEX, are we not?", you may ask. Sure, but the key word is still. Even today you have to pay "premium" to the futures price to get physical ranging from about $50 for some coins to about $10 for bars. When it all blows, these “premiums” will skyrocket and the price of physical WILL decouple from the official paper price (this is what the guys at EverBank are scared s--tless about), as we already witnessed in 2008 – and this is the good scenario. Indeed, we may have a situation where there is no physical available at any paper price. 
 
1. The GLD ETF
 
The problems with the GLD ETF are too numerous to enlist here but why bother when they have already mentioned 'em all in their prospectus! It is simply another Wall Street scam designed to rip off the retail investor and rest assured, when the SHTF, you will be the last in line since the insiders need somebody to hold the bag in order for them to get bailed out. YOU will be the one left holding the bag. Unless you have a direct line to Ben Bernanke, I suggest you get the hell out of any paper ETF’s such as GLD, SLV, etc. Remember AIG? It’s all good until it isn’t.
 
2. The Gold Futures Market
 
The futures market is nothing but a tool for the dollar managers (US Government/Fed/Bullion banks) to manage/control the price of Gold. Any rational observer with an iota of brain who has watched the gold market for any reasonable length of time can tell that the price is intentionally driven down during the Comex trading hours. If you don’t believe this, either you’re in denial or worse – collusion - and IT WILL end up costing you big time. Given the massive, concentrated and long-term (the entire past decade - they haven't been net-long - not once - during that time period) nature of their short positions, it really isn’t that hard to deduce that the banks do not nearly have enough metal to cover their shorts and that the sole intention of the massive short position is to control the price. Whenever the price rises (or threatens to rise) the big bullion banks ala JP Morgan create massive naked shorts introducing fake supply of Gold in the market, thus driving the price down. “But the price has been rising for the past decade, hasn’t it? So how can you say they are driving it down?”, many people ask. Well, the constraint on the bullion banks has been the availability of the physical metal. If the metal is not available, the fraud of the paper market is exposed and they lose their price managing ability. So they allow the price rise to a level at which there are some weak hands willing to sell and then they hold it there till all the sellers have been exhausted (I am assuming the Fed has already sold all the US Gold during the past decade). So strong are Gold’s fundamentals that despite the massive rigging, all they have been able to do is slow its rise. The weak hands who sell the physical metal at every price rise have helped them in this endeavor. But soon, as the bond market implodes, they will run out of sellers. Treat the availability of real metal at today's paper price a gift and buy as much as you can.

To those who think that the Comex shorts will be crushed one day and the price of paper Gold will do a moonshot, to them I will say that you are dreaming. The Comex shorts will be crushed, but not in their own casino! If and when a majority of paper Gold longs demand delivery a force majure (who do you think the US Government will side with?) will be declared with cash settlements and/or offers of equally worthless GLD shares (don’t tell me you didn’t know about this). By some accounts, this is already happening. What will happen to the paper price then? That’s right – it will utterly collapse even as the physical’s price is rocketing. Paper gold holders will dump it all to buy the physical – which, unfortunately – will most likely not be available at all. Yes, yours truly has been trading the paper [Gold] markets himself, but only with the objective of converting the paper profits onto the metal. Having said that, in light of the sum total of the recent developments mentioned in this update I think it is too risky to be trading right now and one should just sit 100% in physical Gold and some currency for day-to-day needs. 

Additionally, there is increasing evidence that the Europeans have withdrawn support from Wall Street’s paper Gold market (COMEX and the LBMA, which also operates on a fractional reserve basis as documented here) and are in favor of setting up a physical only Gold market (this is quite a long story - for details, I suggest you go through FOFOA’s blog). Jim Willie had this to say in a recent piece (he’s been accurate on many things so far, so I at least pay attention when he has something to say): 
Fast approaching is the event of GAME OVER for London, a condition that has already reached critical level, according to a key reliable source of information with London connections and direct experience with its market events. How long can a major metals exchange sell contracts but have miniscule supply of gold in their vaulted possession? The paper gold market and the physical gold bullion market have finally separated in a practical manner, meaning actual gold has almost no role anymore in London paper contract settlement. The absence of gold in London requires extraordinary tactics to settle contracts and to obtain gold bullion. Red tape procedures delay delivery for individuals, and bribes accompany gold delivery demands as standard practice. The London Bullion Market Assn has almost zero gold, its supply having been drained in high volumes since early December, a process currently in acceleration. The opportunity to convert fiat money into precious metal at prices considered reasonable is also vanishing. The London gold banker said,
 
"There is going on a lot more than meets the eye. The physical system is actually consolidating bigtime and is organizing itself with lightning speed, totally hidden from pretty much anyone, even the so-called insiders. The paper precious metal market and the physical precious metal market have defacto disconnected. The paper and physical gold markets currently operate in parallel universes. The outflow of physical metal from bank vaults is happening at a mind bending pace."
Wall Street and the US Dollar are being increasingly marginalized at the global level with China having instructed its companies to renege on Wall Street’s derivative contracts last year; Russia, Middle-East and China setting up their regional currency blocs; Germany calling for an end to the CDS casino and the recent exclusion of Wall Street banks from European Government bond market. For obvious reasons, none of this is getting much play in the lapdog US media.
 
Physical Gold in your personal possession is the only thing that will survive the coming financial Armageddon. What we are witnessing right now is nothing but the calm before the storm. Keen observers are hearing rumblings beneath the ground signaling an imminent volcanic eruption. Once it blows it will be too late to take action. Trading paper markets for paper gains is like picking up pennies in front of the steamroller. It’s time to stop trading and just buy the physical metal. The window of opportunity to convert your casino chips (fiat money) into real money, i.e. Gold, is getting smaller by the hour. He who panics first, panics best.
 
GET. GOLD. NOW.


Disclaimer: Nothing in this commentary should be construed as investment advice or guidance or any recommendation to buy or sell any financial instrument. It is not intended as investment advice or guidance, nor is it offerred as such. It is solely the opinion of the writer, who is NOT an investment counselor/professional. All content of this commentary is solely an expression of his personal interests and is posted as free-of-charge commentary and is subject to error and change without notice. Please do your own due diligence before investing in ANYTHING. The presence of link to a website does not indicate approval or endorsement of that website or any services, products or opinions that may be offerred by them. 

 

 

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Sun, 03/14/2010 - 22:51 | 265456 Anonymous
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why restrict yourself to physical gold? seems like any physical asset would do no? real estate, firearms, yachts, livestock, vintage 70's hotrods, art. a paper collapse will be JUST that.

Because gold is money.

I will trade you my 70s hot rod for 7 krugerrands, $20 or $50 US coins, etc and 20 silver dollars or a 1/10th ounce if you have one, you can keep the rest, the other stuff I have already, including food, guns (class 3 baby!!!!), and shovels, generators and fuel. When times get tough though, I will probably sell "it" for one krugerrand, but who the hell would want it then? Anyone who wants into this game, even if they dont have many FRNs to spare, should look to ebay and buy rolls of silver, or any "junk" silver coins, there are gold coins there, but on a per piece basis, the premiums are high due to the fees. Dont overpay though, google "current melt value of coins" and pay accordingly and look for bargains! they do happen, I have bought poorly listed by estate sellers of silver for well below spot many times... you may be glad you did.

Sun, 03/14/2010 - 23:21 | 265478 SWRichmond
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ebay?  You gotta be kidding me. 

Sun, 03/14/2010 - 22:31 | 265446 Anonymous
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This author is a nut...However I do believe it all wholeheartedly and I am way ahead of his article on my way of thinking, yes, yes, yes, cash and metals.

If Germanys banks do not feel that the Euro is not worth backing with gold reserves, and China wants some reasurance on the stability RIGHT NOW on the US dollar, (both points international news on Sunday the 14th) what does that say about fiat currency and its relationship to gold? There is a tipping point coming, but not where you would think? will it be Saudi finally refusing to take US dollars for oil?... endgame near.

Robby Dougherty

Sun, 03/14/2010 - 13:06 | 265047 Anonymous
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I've been in a panic since 2007, what took you guys so long? :) I wasn't sure whether I'd get my 2nd big silver order received in time when Bear Stearns collapsed, the crushing of the silver price that month (March, 2008) by their new shorts owner JPM really made me angry. I had been waiting 2.5 months for that order to get in and the price on the paper markets were obliterated. Look out if you order from Northwest Territorial Mint in Auburn, WA..they are dangerous.

I have told everyone I know to buy physical PM's for the past 3 years and most look at me as though I am crazy and some still do. The concept of gold/silver investment is very simple...buy some, hold it somewhere safe and wait...its a pain in the butt compared to mouse-click investing in paper markets. However, I have read the PM related (or some are called contrarians) articles like a fiend for these past years. Jim Willie, Jason Hommel, Ted Butler, Bill Murphy, Adam Brochert, Adrian Douglas, Bix Weir, Trace Mayer, Gerald Celente, Peter Schiff ... even Don Stott's column at Colorado gold among others ... and, of course, Reggie Middleton (Hi Reg!). Reggie wrote an article: 'Anatomy of a sick Bank' that motivated me to really start warning people. That was June 2008 though Reg was on the trail for some time before then. Cudos' Reggie, though no one listened to me back then or even bothered investigating for themselves.

After the fall of 2008 (no pun intended, well maybe) I noticed a plethora of new writers flooded into the PM info arena and some seemed like real-life disinformation artists. So now its much harder for new comers to decipher good from bad info.

Another great article from way back when was Doug Dillon's 'Modelling a Dollar Flight to Gold' at kitco: http://www.kitco.com/ind/Dillon/jan172008.html. I model major components for aircraft so models are near and dear to me as boring as the work may be at times. Its a good thing the financial modeler's on wall street don't do aircraft or missiles...they'd kill everyone instead of just bankrupting them.

Doug did his article in Jan, 2008 ... and here we are with righteous palpable fear in the air. Thanks for the heads up Gordon regarding Everbank. There was a major revision to one of the PM ETF's in recent months where they removed all instances of the word 'bullion' from it, I'm sorry I can't find who pointed that one out

Sun, 03/14/2010 - 09:31 | 264957 Anonymous
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Some great views on this thread. Having fun reading all the theories.

See page 24 line 14. http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/Current/z1.pdf

It seems that the US has sold overseas $190 billion of gold and SDRs (whatever they are) in late 2009. That would be about 6000 tonnes of gold.

Fort Knox is said to hold 8000 tonnes of gold.

Sales and/or purchases for 2005 to 2008 are next to nothing.

What do others make of this?

Where did it go?

Sun, 03/14/2010 - 13:21 | 265050 Gordon_Gekko
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In my opinion they only put on paper whatever Gold they sold off these past decades to suppress the price, and why now? Most likely because we are heading towards some sort of endgame IMO.

Sat, 03/13/2010 - 10:29 | 264275 Anonymous
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Good Job Gordon Gecko

Sat, 03/13/2010 - 10:27 | 264274 Anonymous
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Go long on physical gold!

Sat, 03/13/2010 - 04:07 | 264164 Anonymous
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A big part that is keeping the physical supply from separating too quickly at the moment is all the promotion for the public to bring in their unwanted gold item and get paid about 50 % of what they could get an honest coin dealer shop.

Very Sad.

When this easy scrap gold is gone back to the refiners and then into the hands of investors, then get ready for price separation.

Be prepared, the time to dig a well is before you need the water.

Consider also buying emergency supplies and propane back up generator. http://www.everydaygenerators.com/category/fuel-type/liquid-propane-gene...

Don't think you have lots of time. You don't know that. Be proactive.

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Publisher, EveryDayGenerators.com

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 16:37 | 263615 Anonymous
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why restrict yourself to physical gold? seems like any physical asset would do no? real estate, firearms, yachts, livestock, vintage 70's hotrods, art. a paper collapse will be JUST that.

Sat, 03/13/2010 - 11:08 | 264289 Gordon_Gekko
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Because Gold IS money.

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 12:19 | 263239 Anonymous
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Anyone with an opinion on Goldmoney.com or Bullionvault.com for holding gold?

Sat, 03/13/2010 - 11:09 | 264292 Gordon_Gekko
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Nothing beats personal possession.

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 12:16 | 263236 Anonymous
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After reading all this it makes me wonder if anyone has an opinion on James Turk's Goldmoney.com or Bullionvault.com for holding gold?

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 17:39 | 263683 Anonymous
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there is only one person i would trust to hold your gold for you. that is you. end of story.

Sat, 03/13/2010 - 11:10 | 264293 Gordon_Gekko
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+1000

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 11:27 | 263191 Anonymous
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http://en.trend.az/capital/banks/1652647.html

Issuance of new American bills not to lead to devaluation of dollar

12.03.2010 10:39

Issuance of new American bills not to lead to devaluation of dollar

Azerbaijan, Baku, March 12 / Trend Capital /

Apr.21, the U.S. government will present a 100-dollar bill of the new design, the Central Bank of Azerbaijan reported.

The U.S. government reported that when issuing of the new notes will not require changing the old banknotes for new ones. All U.S. banknotes issued after 1861, retain their full face value.

In addition to the new bill, the old design banknotes remain legal tender and retain their full face value, and it will not lead to the revocation or to the devaluation of any U.S. currency.

"The U.S. government has never devalued its currency and will not do it now," the U.S. government stated.

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Fri, 03/12/2010 - 10:35 | 263140 Anonymous
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Dynomite!

I don't believe there's any doubt about not being able to buy physical gold with fiat at some point.

Now take a look at
what S&P projected [graph]
about 1st World Debt quite some time ago.

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 09:07 | 263091 Anonymous
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For all of you who think their gold can't be confiscated I ask...Is there a paper trail for your transactions? Just like registering your guns, if they want 'em they will take 'em.

Best we all band together today and overthrow the whole bunch. Imagine 100,000 strong marching down Wall Street with ropes for a hangin!....Ohhh what fun!

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 07:47 | 263059 Anonymous
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I was wondering what the consensus is on things like bullionvault.com? The gold there is allocated and can be converted in physical (although at a premium). Is this a safe way to invest or are there also troubles with it?

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 10:59 | 263161 Gordon_Gekko
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I don't think so.

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 05:42 | 263037 Anonymous
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The following is an excerpt from the latest issue of Coin World magazine,from an article entitled "Surrender your gold". The following two paragraphs are from the article.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt was inaugurated on March 4, 1933. One of the first things he did was to command that citizens turn in their gold coins. The market price of an ounce of gold was $20.67. Numismatists were exempted, as were gold coins of obsolete denominations such as $1,$2.50 and $3.
Dutifully, Americans who had such assets went to their safe deposit boxes and other storage places, retrieved their gold and delivered it to one of the banks that was still solvent - as banks acted as receivers. Hundreds of millions of dollars face value in coins were surrendered or confiscated (you pick the word). Within a year, the government raised the price of an ounce of gold to $35, in effect stealing (or you can use another word here) untold wealth from the public.

That's how it played out during the depression of the 1930's. I would imagine that everyone who turned in gold received paper currency to replace it at the time.

I really don't see things devolving into chaos as some here envision. Uncle Sam will just give us a new $20 to replace an old $100 or something along those lines, taking mugging to a new refined level in the name of patriotism.

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 05:36 | 263034 Anonymous
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Discussions of paper gold have not included goldmoney.com (that I have gleaned from the 300 or so comments). Any opinions on this outfit from the experienced gold mongers and investment savy regulars?

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 12:24 | 263246 Anonymous
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I too would be interested in people's comments on Goldmoney. James Turk has a good rep and I have a very substantial holding there. Also, what about Perth Mining?

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 05:17 | 263029 Anonymous
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Thanks for the post, GG.

"Given the massive, concentrated and long-term (the entire past decade - they haven't been net-long - not once - during that time period) nature of their short positions, it really isn’t that hard to deduce that the banks do not nearly have enough metal to cover their shorts and that the sole intention of the massive short position is to control the price."

I would say those banks have the short positions BECAUSE they administer the ETFs. The shorts balance the 'long' ETFs since, obviously, they are not backed with actual metal. The paper price will surely decline eventually; the VALUE of the physical is unrelated, like always.

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 03:51 | 263005 Anonymous
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Get a backup solar power system. get a wood stove. a bike, and lots of tools. stock on wine and vodka in the basement with the caned food, and a crank radio and crank lantern and or flashlight. buying my green wood now for next year.what you need if power goes out may be what you need, plus some gold and silver.

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 02:13 | 262939 Anonymous
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Either you live in a community that will fall apart in a collapse, or you don't. If things fall apart, you'll be living like a scared animal where membership in the largest gang will be the only thing that keeps you alive. Of course, they will demand everything from you.

In communities that remain peaceful and organized, your gold will just be shiny paper weights, while useful things will be used as barter.

In short, gold bugs are just boys playing cowboys and Indians, imagining that they will be the winners in the end.

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 02:10 | 262935 Anonymous
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Either you live in a community that will fall apart in a collapse, or you don't. If things fall apart, you'll be living like a scared animal where membership in the largest gang will be the only thing that keeps you alive. Of course, they will demand everything from you.

In communities that remain peaceful and organized, your gold will just be shiny paper weights, while useful things will be used as barter.

In short, gold bugs are just boys playing cowboys and Indians, imagining that they will be the winners in the end.

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 01:49 | 262910 swamp
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Benjamin Franklin acted as an agent for Pennsylvania, Georgia, New Jersey, and Massachusetts. In 1757 (and again in 1764), he went to England and lived there for several years.

While Franklin was in England, officials at the Bank of London asked him what he thought was the reason for the success of the colony.

“That is simple. In the Colonies we issue our own money. It is called Colonial Scrip. We issue it in proper proportion to the demands of trade and industry to make the products pass easily from the producers to the consumers. In this manner, creating for ourselves our own paper money, we control its purchasing power, and we have no interest to pay to no one.”
- Benjamin Franklin

The bankers apparently didn’t like the colonies printing their own interest free money because the British Parliament quickly passed the Currency Act in 1764. The act prohibited colonial officials from issuing their own money. Colonies were ordered to pay future taxes in gold or silver coins.

“In one year, the conditions were so reversed that the era of prosperity ended, and a depression set in, to such an extent that the streets of the Colonies were filled with unemployed.”
- Benjamin Franklin
Franklin claims this was the real cause for the War of Independence.

“The colonies would gladly have borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been that England took away from the colonies their money, which created unemployment and dissatisfaction. The inability of the colonists to get power to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of George III and the international bankers was the prime reason for the Revolutionary War.”
- Benjamin Franklin autobiography

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 03:00 | 262973 exonomic halfbreed
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I am impressed Swamp.  You are a rare individual.  Very few know of this.   Along the same subject, perhaps you could enlighten me.  I have been told that in the war of 1812, ( which the New Englanders refused to participate in northern excursions) we claimed victory yet gave into our enemies demands that we allow once again a liberalization of our banking rules to quietly allow the agents of the bank of England into our nation and once again start utilizing loose fractional reserve lending.  Is there much credence to this and what other games did these banksters make us play?

 

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 15:08 | 263482 SRV - ES339
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Hope you get back to see this halfbreed... "The Money Masters"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936#

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 01:48 | 262909 exonomic halfbreed
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I was trained as a jeweler many years ago.  I am prepared as you would expect.  Having heard about the possibility of altered gold bars, I did some digging.  There was a verified incident in Germany ten years ago where a 500 gram bar was found to contain a tungsten core. The Hong Kong story (fall of 2009) has turned out to be false (maybe). At the age of 15 (1969) I was beginning to start investing and asked my grandfather (who raised me) which investor should I read about next and he replied Bernard Baruch.  I thought about Baruch recently when I was wondering about the gold in Fort Knox.  Bernard was very close to Wilson and F.D.R. (Churchill too). Go to Wikipedia and read all about him.  I know there is plenty of evidence concerning questionable actions by the federal reserve and possibly others involving the U.S. gold, so I was wondering if anyone could have messed with our gold earlier.  I have heard the rumors about chicanery in the 1990's.  Thinking about the logistical difficulties in a Fort Knox switcheroo ( i.e. thinking as a criminal does) I came to realize that the best time to steal a good portion of the gold owned by the people of the most successful empire ever to have trashed the earth was at the time of confiscation of gold coin followed by meltdown and bar pouring.  Baruch was a wealthy man by age thirty who bought a tungsten mine in California (atolia). While he owned a 17,500 acre estate on the coast of the Carolina's (where heads of state vacationed with him) he chose to stay one month each year from 1906 to 1926 at his tungsten mine in that small desert town (pop. 4,000). I guarantee you that as a smart Jewish fellow he was well aware of the fact that tungsten is just slightly under the density of gold and that a small addition of osmium or iridium could bring the density up to equal that of gold. Many successful families plan with strategies covering generations fully aware that things don't just happen, they are planned.  A secure facility within a meltdown and pour operation site could have allowed for the switch out of bad bars for good at night with complicit personnel rewarded later by disappearance.  On an entirely different subject regarding stock in mining companies....all our stock holdings are collateral for U.S. debt, therefore at a bankruptcy hearing convened by holders of U.S. treasury debt no longer willing to be lied to or injured by wanton destruction of value by over issuance of the currency such stock will be forfeited along with more than we are prepared to envisage.

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 01:56 | 262917 swamp
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Very interesting post.

About the confiscation of shares -- that's why I have paper certificates in mining companies registered in foreign countries (in addition to physical gold and silver). I can take those paper certificates and open a brokerage in a foreign country with those certificates. The certificates are no longer on USA books, haven't been for years.

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 02:46 | 262961 exonomic halfbreed
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There is a small flaw in your logic sir. There is a subsidiary of the Fed which is charged with making a paper copy of every stock transaction.  I learned at a private school ( attended by scions of some pretty powerfull families) that a stock is not truly accepted as changed in ownership umtill this entry has been made by the Fed subsidiary.  This is due to the collateral obligation.  If you purchased stock and took possesion of the certificate this does not negate the call upon this property by holders of failed federal reserve notes. By the way my name is supposed to be economic halfbreed not exonmic.  I typed too quickly.  Obviously I have one foot on each side of the tracks

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 03:44 | 262998 merehuman
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It works with todays EX econonot

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 00:49 | 262857 Anonymous
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http://www.financialsense.com/editorials/casey/2010/0310.html

Check the hockey stick in the graph. Deflation? Ya, sure.

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 00:43 | 262852 sawyer
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If GG's predictions are correct, then all gold mines risk being nationalized for the "greater good" or "national security" or "economic stability" and all citizens would be ordered to deliver all physical gold in their position to the Feds...The new "gold police" will probably start by communicating with the people posting on this board

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 00:34 | 262842 Augustus
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I saw G. Gordon on the tele recommending the purchase of gold.  And do it right Now.  It must be the popular thing to discuss if it takes a hard sell commercial to motivate people to purchase.

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 03:27 | 262989 merehuman
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Well now, take your time, dont hurry. let me get mine first! And all my friends.

Why encourage folks to own gold and silver?

China knows. If china backs their currency with gold and becomes the new reserve currency all their gold owning chinese would be well capitalized. It would increase their spending power and lift their economy. They dont need us anymore.

If my community holds wealth we are all lifted. Gordon would like to see more of us survive and the country to prosper. same motivation many of us have.

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 00:26 | 262839 Anonymous
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To the person (at 17:16) asking about the best way to own physical gold and mentioning that he/she has gold in a depository form in Australia: if you are taking about the Perth Mint's certificate program, then see this copy and paste from their website:
The PMCP is also the only Government Guaranteed certificate program in the world...
If your concern is government confiscation of your gold when the SHTF, then I would not feel comfortable with this program. Perth Mint does sell coins and bars, and I'm sure they will send them anywhere in the world. I'm planning to buy some bars (bigger the better, as the premium over spot price, on a per ounce basis, declines with bar size). The coins are too expensive.

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 02:06 | 262932 Anonymous
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The coins are expensive, but hey, I stick to 1oz gold and 10oz silver, can pay for them cash in hand and then take them home with no record of the transaction (aside from CCTV). That and knowing the coins have come straight from the mint are worth the premium IMHO

As for the PCMP, whilst the Oz govt aren't exactly devious when it comes to citizen's wealth - they are clueless. Thus they might just be led down the path of government confiscation by their 'experts'....

Fri, 03/12/2010 - 15:15 | 263496 Anonymous
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Agreed. The 4% premium for coins is worth the potetial need for granularity bars can not provide.

Also, if this gold is to protect against the end of the world, then a 4% premium is not going to matter.

On the flip side, if it is all for naught and gold falls to $400, the 4% will not matter either. It is a rounding error in the scheme of things.....

Thu, 03/11/2010 - 23:37 | 262783 Janice
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