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It's Official: Assange Will Turn Himself Over To Police Within 24 Hours
The inevitable moment for the Wikileaks founder has arrived: the Telegraph is reporting that Julian Assange will hand himself in to police - possibly as early as Tuesday - after a fresh European Arrest Warrant was issued by the Swedish authorities. "Mr Assange is expected to voluntarily attend a police station within the next 24 hours, and will then appear in a magistrates’ court. He is wanted over allegations of sexual assault in Sweden." We hope this means the imminent release of the decyprion key of the torrent file (which can be downloaded here) which is supposed to be Assange's insurance policy. On the other hand, it could an insurance policy on his life, not his freedom so well we monitor.
From Telegraph:
Mr Assange suffered another setback on Monday when Swiss authorities closed one of his bank accounts, one of the sources of funding for the WikiLeaks site.
The 39-year-old Australian has been under intense pressure since the release of thousands of secret documents in recent weeks.
Kristinn Hrafnsson, spokesman for WikiLeaks, said Mr Assange had been forced to keep a low profile after several threats on his life.
Sweden’s Supreme Court upheld a court order to detain Mr Assange for questioning on suspicion of “rape, sexual molestation and unlawful coercion” after he appealed against two lower court rulings. He denies the allegations.
His details were also added to Interpol’s most wanted website, alerting police forces around the world.
A European Arrest Warrant was issued by the Swedish last month but could not be acted upon because it did not contain sufficient information for the British authorities. A spokesman for Marianne Ny, the Swedish prosecutor, said the extra details were sent last week and were being processed.
Mr Stephens said he would fight any bid to extradite his client. He added that Mr Assange “has been trying to meet with the Swedish prosecutor since August this year”.
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...and release the bank docs?
I hope so, but I know if I was a whistleblower I would look for some organization OTHER than Wikileaks to take care of my data, seeing as how WikiLeaks is good at drawing out the suspense, leaking nominally important documents, and generally acting as a star vehicle for Julian Assange.
When Assange releases 9/11 documents thats when I will truly gain respect for him.
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"top 1% of all earners earn 23% of all the income in this country"
"The media continues to serve purely as the mouthpiece of the Oligarchy. Its not so much what is reported, as what ISN'T reported, and how news is prioritized, that is the problem.
A lot of attention is given to gossip, celebrity 'news' (the worship of glamour), and a host of other sensationalist BS. The content of the latest WikiLeaks is a fitting example, as surely more vital documents could have been leaked. It revealed only that diplomats talk behind each others backs like giddy schoolgirls."
I don't think being a prime target for the governments of superpowers is exactly a celebrity lifestyle. He may have fame, but I don't think he's getting a lot of sleep.
When Assange releases 9/11 documents thats when I will truly gain respect for him.
Why don't you release the documents which prove that Assange is sitting on secret 9/11 information. I will have no respect for you until you do so.
OH! +1.
H.R."--I will truly gain respect for him" You arrogant ass! Who in the fuck are you oh mighty judge! My response: I do not consider my sole rationale in life as being here to please you or the other ass---- like you.
You come accross as being one of the big wheels in a Georgia cotton field--honey hush! Blow it out your ear! Milestones
My comment seems to have struck a nerve for a few people.
But seriously, accepting the 9/11 Commission's findings is the same as believing the magic bullet theory from the JFK assassination.
You don't think Larry Silverstein's insurance policy protecting against terrorism is fishy?
The options (puts on United) trading in the days preceding?
Tora Bora was built by the CIA in the 80s, and we are supposed to believe that is from where Al-Qaeda planned it all? Really? A military installation of the highest quality and we somehow just lost control of it? The stories of Iraq and Afghanistan, the stories of oil and poppies/opiates/morphine/heroine.
I'll bet his life... freedom is overrated ... just ask those Americans who continually give it up everyday. Long live socialism!
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Great video if guys wanna kill 5 minutes.
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Double
I'm sure you know a lot about socialism.
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent" Thomas Jefferson
"The Framers of the Constitution knew that free speech is the friend of change and revolution. But they also knew that it is always the deadliest enemy of tyranny" Hugo Black
How would it be an insurance policy on his life? How would you work that?
Its called MAD - mutual assured destruction. I'll nuke you if you send me to prison and I get gang raped to death.
I'm sure a number of people know the decryption key of the compressed and encrypted "insurance" file, including his lawyer. If the documents hadn't been distributed already, document distribution upon Julian's signal (active or fatal) would require more coordination and infrastructure. These maneuvers essentially rig Assange's "thermonuclear weapon" to a failsafe tripwire, yielding something philosophically equivalent to the coldwar doomsday device. Dr. Stragelove's in the house.
i am not going to believe this one unless he leaks the story first
otherwise its just a CIA coverup
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/11/27/gordon-duff-wikileak-predictions-sticking-my-neck-out-2/
OK -I'm not gonna be shocked at too much of anything - why not Isreal? But, and it's a big BUT, can't see how Israel benefits from damaging USA?
The "theory" is that because Obama is so pro-Palestinian and opposed to war with Iran the Israelis are trying to weaken him politically. Of course, the Obama Administration has done nothing but support Israel and they often threaten Iran so the "theory" makes no sense. Also, the leaked cables go back as far as 1966. Perhaps Israel wants to expose Obama's lackluster days in Kindergarten.
Think again--the parasite has almost done killing it's current host; it now requires a new one. It will bring all kinds of interesting knowledge to its next mate and will have impressive powers because of that knowledge and will be stronger.
And the beat goes on! Milestones.
Is-Ra-El.
Is= Isis -Godess of fertility
Ra= Egyptian Sun God
El=Hebrew for G-d
Its over
ZH seems pretty obsessed with this guy. I, nor anyone else on this forum, know any of the particulars of the evidence against him. He could very well be guilty and thrown in prison like any other criminal.
That is becaue you don't read the articles.
Yeah, get that bareback cowboy!
Your just jealous Harry he can get to do threesomes still.
Harry uses both hands. That is his "threesome"
Mr. HW,
For your consideration:
Focus On The Policy, Not Wikileaks by Ron Paul
"Rather than worry about the disclosure of embarrassing secrets, we should focus on our delusional foreign policy. We are kidding ourselves when we believe spying, intrigue, and outright military intervention can maintain our international status as a superpower while our domestic economy crumbles in an orgy of debt and monetary debasement."
-Ron Paul
Great commentary by Ron Paul, thanks for the link.
You know how many people Sweden has tried to have extradited from other countries due to vague sex crime allegations?
Hint: Less than 2.
Don't tell me you think this warrant really has anything to do with sex crimes?
Classic drive-by Johnny, er... Harry.
I think the obsession stems from the governments attempts to shut him up and shut him down. It is not what he released, it is the REACTION to what he released that is worth obsessing over.
I am not going to opine on what he did. I am amazed that their is not more MSM reports on the REACTION. Of course given the MSM is owned by big business (and a cynical person would speculate run for the benefit of), one is not surprised.
How twitter supressed him, how amazon and paypal shut him down ect. What is the quid pro quo these public companies are recieving for shutting him down?
This is merely one of a number of examples from the last hour:
Days after Columbia University's School of International and Public Affairs (SIPA) sparked national ire by advising students not to discuss WikiLeaks on Facebook or Twitter, the school is walking back its remarks and embracing free speech.
In an email to students last week, SIPA's Office of Career Services warned students that tweeting or posting about WikiLeaks on Facebook could endanger their job prospects with the federal government, according to an alumnus working at the U.S. State Department.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/06/columbia-university-walks_n_792684.html
Exactly. The eBay/PayPal actions are ludicrous. eBay has become the biggest known fence of stollen goods. I'm sure they're motivated to serve the government's interest against others, as long as the spotlight isn't turned on them.
why don't you say that about the economic crimes Harry?
Somehow Assange reminds me of Keyser Soze.
Kiester Soreza, maybe. I'm having trouble envisioning a metrosexual Turk running an international crime syndicate.
Then again, you might be on to something, Kevin Spacey doesn't exactly radiate menace, either.
Hahaha... Kiester Soreza
You are almost as polished as the Colonel.
Kudos!
OT: Top in on the market? US Treasury to Publicly Offer 2.4 Billion Citi Shares
http://www.cnbc.com/id/40536712
Top? No no no. Bottom.
The Fed buys them from Treasury, bidding them up by 50 cents per million.
Citi trading in the hundreds by Christmas.
I'll call that hand. I am heavily short financials, and sleeping like a baby.
(not short C specifically, as I made a killing on C with puts on the first leg down, and I prefer not to ride the same dying horse twice)
He failed to fully disclose on an Initial Pubic Offering. It's not enough just to smell like a red herring.
Shit. This "arrest warrant" assures him clean delivery without other government interference to the place he wants to go.....Sweden.
It's interesting that this arrest warrant and obviously ridiculous (no condom) complaints by two women (remember, they're HUGE wikileaks fans and supporters) preceded the BIG LEAK, thus giving Sweden "first rights" to "arrest" Julian. These complaints assured that Sweden would get custody if competing warrants were issued, no?
Had a second arrest warrant been issued by Australia or the U.S., Sweden would have had a clean legal claim to him first.
That might be a too-clever scenario, but.....you never know. These two females might have created an insurance policy for Assange so the U.S. or Australia couldn't get him. If he has lots of friends in Sweden, he gets the word out that he's in trouble in Britain and needs a rescue. Boom, you get your warrant. Then, Britain can't do what they want anymore...
Extremely interesting theory
other folks have been throwing similar concepts around.
And the facts be damned.
D@mn! Now you come along and wrap my brain around a different axle! Guess I'm gonna have to tap out or go limp here! :>D
Do you think three of them will grab him and throw him face first into the pavement. Jump on him with a knee in the back and an elbow on the side of his face while screaming 'ON THE GROUND'!
Or does that just happen in the land of the free and the home of the brave?
Protective custody lays the security function on the authorities & it wouldn't look good to have him have "an accident" on their watch!
Although that doesn't seem to have particularly stopped authorities in the past.
Even leaving aside things like Abu Ghraib, there is still a lot of people die in police custody.
Free Julian
Yeah.. We better shut down the Internet to stop this guy.. And kill all the Arabs.. and 9/11 truthers.... good grief..
And don't forget, WalMart is watching. If they see something, they'll say something.
Yeah.. We better shut down the Internet to stop this guy
But you are one of the people who wants to stop this guy. Well, good luck to you and Palin and Lieberman in your noble effort to save the Arabs from Julian Assange.
Don't tase him Bro!!
That will look good on his tombstone at Arlington: Killed, for barebacking in Jerkwater, Sweden.
Nice. Thanks for the laugh ;)
I don't know Julian Assange, but I am absolutely certain that the encrypted file is a life insurance policy, first a foremost. It could also be used as a negotiating tool, although I am equally certain that Assange won't reveal its contents while he is still alive.
One thing is certain, it would make absolutely no sense WHATSOEVER to release the key just because he has been arrested. Seriously ZH, use your loaf.
agree
The prosecutor in Sweden is a political leftie. The two female complaining parties are Wikileaks two big supporters, also activists.
You really think they'd nail the world's political hero to the wall for lack of condom use?
He's just getting secure passage to Sweden, with his servers.
Sweden. Wow, tricky... who's have thunk it?
Actually, leaving it as a Left issue doesn't do the situation justice. This is a Mega-Fault Line/cleave issue within the liberal community. The traditional liberal ideal of free speech and free press is faced off against the quiet power of a very facist element within the liberal community, so called "radical" feminism. Big Feminism has absolutely dominated the gender scene and has established guilty until proven innocent as a central and most passionately fought value on its claimed "turf." Allegations of sexual offenses fall upon that turf.
This battle is a Big One, with no sure outcome. These two competing (and often fundamentally conflicting) liberal interests have never been publicly pitched against one another before, as far as I know. It's been THE giant elephant in the room for the last 35 years. Actually, we all know this, but do not talk about it. That's how those elephant in the room things are.
This is equivalent to ACLU v. NOW . We'll find out just where liberals really stand on sexist politics gone wild now when free speech hangs so dramatically in the balance.
+1
Trying to treat Any large movement as monolithic is a lazy habit, and likely to produce erroneous results. Modern "Liberalism" is not exception
As a liberal, I would wish that our house were in better order, but it is what it is. Given the energy expended by my fellow liberals to "keep the peace" for the sake of apparent solidarity, however, I can easily understand those outside the fold being unaware of our internal contradictions and stresses.
I'm afraid a lot of this sort of thing has to do with the history of the movement (left Or right under discussion. A lot of people end up under the same tent because they are fleeing a common enemy at some point in the past, not because of fundamental ideological agreements. Thus you have libertarians uncomfortably rubbing shoulders with ignorant creationists like Hukabee and Palin on one side, and anti-censorship crusaders doing the same with feminazis (and worse) on the other.
Any group gets past a certain size, it starts to fragment. In polarized times, that threshold is lower.
Final thought: It depends upon what drives them most deeply. If they prefer to exploit this situation to advance "awareness" of male "domination of women" . . . well, what do you think they would do with this opportunity?
Everybody involved is on the World Stage now. This brings all their external influences into play. Would that Justice were blind and rational.
Total fraudster doing the bidding of Cass Sunstein. I wanted to believe but this guy's either a useful idiot (manipulated) or a plant (inside job). Either way, its pretty undeniable. People have been suicided for a whole lot less.
He's getting help from friends in high places (Soros and others). Remember, old Voldemort himself paid for Chelsea Clinton wedding. It's time to pay up, bitchez.
Either way, its pretty undeniable.
So much so that no evidence is required.
OH! Tht's twice in one thread. +2!
So what does his bank account have to do with an arrest warrant? He has made his whereabouts known... If the arguement is that he is a flight risk, that' a non-starter.
And who in their right mind would want to flee to the UK in December! If he was truly on the lam, he'd be on some island in the Indian Ocean or somewhere in Central Africa.
That's the hard evidence we've been looking for! The only people who go to the UK in December are Mossad!
Mazel tov! LOL.
L'Chaim!
LMFAO!
I just hope all of the politicians/staffs and big mouth talk TV personalities get a wax job on their asses. I am sure they are about to show them to us all.
he was a hacker from OZ.. got caught and charged criminally for what they did, he was part of a group of kids hacking and "controlling" computers back in the days when one could. "international subversives" was their tag name, assange was given a good behaviour bond. if he was given a criminal convicion then, i doubt he would have had the ease of movement globally and been abe to freely work in the places he has..
one of the members of the group did hack into and stop a NASA space launch. he denies any involvement, but imho that there was a true indication of lack of judgement.
yes the cost a lot of businesses and countries a ton of capital in their efforts to shut out assange and co.
assange became a computer consultant, writing encryption code.. and later was involved with wikileaks
reminds me of a nice saying:
“It always seemed strange to me that the things we admire in men, kindness and generosity, openness, honesty, understanding and feeling are the concomitants of failure in our system. And those traits we detest, sharpness, greed, aquisitiveness, meanness, egotism and selfinterest are the traits of sucess. And while men admire the quality of the first, they love the produce of the second.”
So what is your point? He was charged, big deal. The rest is your imagination. I think you should apply that quote to the targets of Wikilileaks rather than assange.
left home at 16.. became a computer hacker..
he was found guilty, but let off with a good behaviour bond..
to whom you apply the quote is your initiative...
i have my view he was a damn good computer hacker, set straight by the laws of australia, and he was a fortunate he was not charged in the USA. i doubt the US criminal code would have let him off.
piont is he was found guilty without conviction and given a bond.
imho a criminal behaviour and the path one takes is a curious meld.
lets see if history repeats and his previous history of paths crossing the law continue until jailed.
he has had a taste of criminal behaviour, court cases, and the joy of getting off without a conviction.
will that continue? we shall see
the issues are a little broader than your dance
As far as I can tell, he should spill all the bank beans separately, and immediately, while keeping his insurance file encrypted, so the US has an interest in keeping him alive.
he is going in to answer some questions, not to be arrested. i believe if he is arrested when he is there, that the insurance file will be released unfiltered which he described as a thermonuclear data dump.
http://readersupportednews.org/off-site-news-section/368-wikileaks/4160-...
Assange is a little bit like a modern day Gallileo. But Gallileo was more egotistical, condescending, lustful and drunk than Assange.
Both were in fact correct. Both pissed off the power structure. Both were reviled for dismissing their contemporaries.
Like Gallileo, Assange will become another folk hero.
this whole assange saga is like nothing ive ever witnessed. if it were a novel you would think it was far-fetched, but it appears this is really happening. after being chased by death threats from politicians and militants of various stripes and anti-castro intelligence agent blond swedish ex lovers, he is going into a police station threatening to bring the foreign policy of the entire world into chaos with a "thermonuclear" internet data release if his demands aren't met...
not bad.
The Australian government doing its best to demonise Wikkileaks with crap like this:
And this is the cable they are talking about....a schoolboy list
http://213.251.145.96/cable/2009/02/09STATE15113.html
It's a Catch-22, if the list isn't that important, then they are grandstanding and trying to make more of it than it is so they can nail Assange to the wall.
If the list really IS important, why did an Army Pfc have such easy access to it, and why could he download it onto a CD and take it home with him?
Either way, it's the government that looks stupid.
Either way, it IS stupid.
Yes! "The goggles, they do nothing!" -- Wolfcastle
Assange Accuser Worked with US-Funded, CIA-Tied Anti-Castro GroupYesterday Alexander Cockburn reminded us of the news Israel Shamir and Paul Bennett broke at Counterpunch in September. Julian Assange's chief accuser in Sweden has a significant history of work with anti-Castro groups, at least one of which is US funded and openly supported by a former CIA agent convicted in the mass murder of seventy three Cubans on an airliner he was involved in blowing up.
Anna Ardin (the official complainant) is often described by the media as a "leftist". She has ties to the US-financed anti-Castro and anti-communist groups. She published her anti-Castro diatribes (see here and here ) in the Swedish-language publication Revista de Asignaturas Cubanas put out by Misceláneas de Cuba. From Oslo, Professor Michael Seltzer points out that this periodical is the product of a well-financed anti-Castro organization in Sweden. He further notes that the group is connected with Union Liberal Cubana led by Carlos Alberto Montaner whose CIA ties were exposed here .
snip
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Assange-Accuser-Worked-wit-by-Kirk-Jame...
Looks like a group of hackers have launched a DDOS attack (successfully) on the Swiss bank that froze JA's account:
http://twitter.com/Anon_Operation#
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/06/wikileaks/i...
Per Greenwald today... this is the way to help out now.
UPDATE II: Those wishing to donate to WikiLeaks can still do so here, via Options 2 (online credit card) or 3 (wire to bank in Iceland). http://213.251.145.96/support.html
I'm doing it as an act of defiance, if nothing else.
thanks
junked for thanking someone
Yes, thank you, timely and useful info.
Defiance! Hell, Yes!
I just tried to send 50 Euros to Wikileaks on a platimun Bank of America Visa card, and it was refused. The phone rang within 3 minutes from the Bank of A. guy, asking me if I had actually done that.
Wooo, Wooo! Bank of America, dig your own grave and go stand facing it, for me, please!
By the way, don't know if they updated the site since you posted that , but the options you list are now numbered 1 & 2. Just want to keep folks from being discouraged by confusion.
Looks like MasterCard is pulling out all the stops too.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20024776-281.html
Cancelling my Mastercard today as well.
In the event that Julian Assange is arrested, Assange---who runs a site that publishes secret documents--threatens to...
Are you ready?
Publish secret documents.
Lets make one thing clear, if the reports circulating about "rape" being defined as a broken rubber then this case illustrates how perverted and self serving justice has become (in the Western context).
Perhaps they should trot out that twat that filed these allegations and shake that bitch and see how many broken rubbers and closet artifacts fall out.
Call it, "reasonable suspicion."
Did she go to Columbia or something?
so a broken rubber would not be a wikileak but a dickieleak?????
Will Queen sing a song about Assange. Doesn't have the same ring to it as Gallileo, Gallileo,Gallileo Gallileo...Figaro
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And that is a? spot on answer. Bendover and grab your ankles America.
If this is happening tomorrow, better be on the look out for what this event is distracting you from. Obviously there's some deals to be made, nevertheless, it's a distraction imho.
Tomorrow is Dec 7 - run on the banks day.
Irish elections of some sort, as well. (Oh, and Pearl Harbor day)
This whole thing stinks, it seems to me that the US is sitting on, or trying to, every government in the attempt to stop wikileaks.
Why are they afraid of disclosure of public information??
Speaks for itself, doesn't it?
The beautiful thing is that it's driving cyber-freedom fighters worldwide to stand up and fight against it. Ignoring national boundaries and fascist sovereign powers.
We'll find out who owns the web . . . and, indeed, freedom itself.
L3 Communications "Owns" much of the infrastructure that makes up what we think of (US Stateside) as the Internet.
They control the traffic flow across major backbones via their L3 NOCs.
If they decide that the Internet stops working. It stops working.
L3 is a very big defense contractor too... Btw.
Other big players are equally impressively pedigreed.
Your typical hacker is reduced to little more than a puddle without a network to get around on.
They might get to Amazon, Verizon, etc... But ZH? 4Chan? anything not sheeple vanilla will be gone.
They won't be attacking these sites, or for long, as they will get locked out fairly fast.
Enjoy surfing fringe sites like CNN, FOX, and MSN endlessly for entertainment.
Looks like a shake-out of the bullshit. I expect the creative commons community to be more resourceful, however. TPTB will have to either reduce the web to another commercial stretch of blighted highway or leave it free enough to be useful for greater purposes and needs, imo.
We'll see. But I think it's for the best that this question is settled now, rather than later.
I've had enough internet entertainment.
I agree with you completely on your summation.
I wish it were different, but we have been asleep at the wheel for years...
All those years, things were lining up to be as they are now.
All that remains is the end game and the fall out.
I don't think they'll push this one. It would be slitting their own throats.
It would unite people worldwide. Even the American "sheeple" would be aroused. All the energy that so many of us arguably waste bitching on the web would no longer be impotently diverted. Hackers would declare outright war--and they would be like no enemy TPTB have ever known before. Freedom would be exposed as a Lie.
Way too much downside to that proposition and they wouldn't win the War of Spin. Only lunatics would grab that tiger by the tail, imo.
Not that lunatics aren't prominant in our ruling elite. But I don't think they're that crazy as a group. My bet is on the narcissists and sociopaths keeping the psychopaths in check.
I think of it as "Martial Law Light".
It's good enough to keep people in the dark while big gnarly things get done that can't be done with the current level of scrutiny that occurs via the Interwebs.
Too many people wised up and the internet is the force multiplier they use. It scares the Elite and they want to shut it down.
They want to go back to "Your Regularly Scheduled Programming"... And they will use WL as the vehicle they need to get there.
My impression is that this little suffle inspired by wikileaks has lit a fire under the independent IT community. They can see that it's not only about a few people in Iran or a sadly walled society in China anymore. It's modern liberal Western civilization that's at risk.
From what I see, it's looking like the techies are getting out ahead of this risk. TPTB can either shut the web down or deal with reality . . .
There is a lot of room for nuance in the control of network traffic.
They can do minimal economic damage and still lock er down.
It's not an either/or scenario. Look at China. Our guys (L3, Cisco, Brocade, Marconi, Foundry, Etc) practiced on a big scale over there already.
Techies all get a paycheck, and when push comes to shove... Well don't get between a fella and his paycheck, it'll get ugly.
We are nada.
Our anger unchanneled or not, will have nowhere to go but the local county lock-up if it gets too outta hand.
It sucks eggs, but at this point, all we can do is wait for a FRN collapse. And then be ready with viable leadership.
Maybe I've seen too many movies and over-estimate the American spirit. We'll see.
Interesting times to be alive.
It is fascinating. On another thread someone quoted Marshall McLuhan:
World War III will be a global information war with no division between civilian and military participation.
Regardless of the debate on whether or not Assange is the real deal or a willing asset or an unwilling one, he has succeeded in bringing into the open the gulf that currently exists between most governments and the people they say they represent. And the fact that so many global corporations are joining the fight ... is a telling as well.
As to the charge that Wikileaks hasn't released anything that people didn't know about before ... well, most cables haven't contained anything that surprised me. But I read foreign news and even sometimes some foreign policy mags. Most people do not. For example, did the cable regarding Saudi funding for extremist groups surprise me - Not! But, it may be news for a wider swath of people and they may start connecting the dots. Hmm, how many of the 911 hijackers came from Saudi Arabia? I forget the actual number but it was fairly high.
I think what is scaring most of the elite is that this data is being dumped and not contextualized. People can come to their own conclusions.
"I think what is scaring most of the elite is that this data is being dumped and not contextualized"
The Elite control what the security aparatus are "allowed" to do.
Scare them bad enough and they will allow the Internet to be completely controlled.
It worked real good when they got the Patriot Act passed. (Not saying they caused 9/11, but they sure pounced on it for their purposes).
I can see it plain as day.
Check this out and see what I mean:
FCC crosses the Rubicon into online regulationhttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/2/wave-goodbye-to-internet-...
Why are you quoting the Washington Times? It's owned by the Rev. Moon who has documented connections to the Bush family and the CIA. Maybe they are just a little bit biased against Assange?
What do you have against facts?
Your battle isn't with me guy, it's with the Truth.
You are not winning either.
I have nothing against the facts. I've begged you for even one fact to back up your claims.
More and more people are wising up to the BS.
It would seem, despite your efforts.
What is your agenda? The Truth or your version of it?
Still waiting for you to present even one fact.
It's coming....
Just keep holding that breath...
Wait...
Wait...
Hahaha. Moron.
Well that's reasonable. How can I argue with that?
You bring up a great point in the growing rifts this has created between governments.
In light of the current global economic situation this may very well be a hydra of a project, with multiple goals.
There is one "plumb" goal though. I am starting to hope it is only control over the internet.
Nigel Farage sucks anyway. I hope he will turn himself over to suicide within 24 hours.
Only like 2% of the total cable leak documents have come out yet. This will go on for weeks, and the damage to the US foreign policy and credibility is already significant. The US knows what might be in those files. I'm sure there must be some more juicy stuff.
Some of the cables go back to 1966. Definitely intriguing.
My favorite is Mitch McConnell calling for an ex-post facto:
Sen. Mitch McConnell: "I think the man is a high-tech terrorist. He’s done an enormous damage to our country, and I think he needs to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. And if that becomes a problem, we need to change the law."
high tech terrorist...is that anything like a drone operator?
Assange is not an American.
How would US laws ever rightfully be imposed against him?
And does that mean China can hold Americans accountable for violating their laws regarding speaking out against the Party?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/2/wave-goodbye-to-internet-...
Here you go...
This IS the goal of this WL Back Burn Op.
This IS the goal of this WL Back Burn Op.
Care to release your evidence? Or are you another Mossad agent?
Tee Hee... Mossad? Whodat?
You again...
Read the article please.
There is nothing to argue about.
The Washington Times is owned by Reverend Moon (who claims to be God incarnate) as a part of New World Communications, Inc. Moon has been linked to George H W Bush and the CIA.
The more I experience your enlightening character the more I'm starting to think it won't be so bad when they clamp down...
That's not a surprising statement coming from a guy who quotes a known CIA front like the Rev. Moon's Washington Times.
Things to cross off the list so far
Amazon
PayPal
Mastercard
- Thanatos
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1335699/WikiLeaks-cables-These...
Somebody said the real purpose of wikileaks is to give governments, the reason to control the internet. Looks like they were right.
So if a teacher sees Jimmy chewing gum and makes all the kids empty their pockets of any candy then you would be convinced that that was Jimmy's purpose all along?
If Jimmy were smart. Yes.
No, you're not paranoid.
You would be owned instantly in any real world environment.
You should stay wherever you are and do not deviate from your assigned tasks.
Someone will obviously miss their idiot if you wander off.
I use observation, intuition, interpretation and efficient action to bring about the conditions I seek for myself. I don't expect that one who is allergic to facts would understand.
Could you be my pet?
I like ankle biters.
Heck, I could even train you.
That's a tempting offer but I got some Russ Myer movies in the mail today so I'm going to have to beg off for now.
Who is this guy?
He is really degrading the quality of any discussion between reasonable people.
The gigantic post he throws up in this thread is a totally insane reponse to the post he is replying to.
He spams all over the place... Take a look.
He is a king size jerk.
No wonder the Old Timers don't come around much anymore.
Sheesh.
EOT
That was me cowboy!
Check this too:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/2/wave-goodbye-to-internet-...
Thanatos knows a Back Burn when he sees one...
The Washington Times is owned by the Rev. Moon who is connected to the Bush family and the CIA. Why do you promote them?