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It's Official: White House Brands Wikileaks, And All Those Associated, As Criminals
Just a headline from Reuters right now: "White House says WikiLeaks and people who share information with them are criminals"
Unclear is Assange is about to be charged with treason. It is also unclear if the First Amendment is still valid. If so, we will try to bring you an update on this situation.
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Wow.
Wow indeed - I just had a look at those leaked materials.
The contrast between what they say publicly and what they report back to the US privately could not be starker. Lots of dubious activities, some of them even seem illegal. Lots of diplomat 'reassignments' to be expected I suspect.
Seeing the duplicity and the various diplomatic machinations documented in their own words is worth whatever security cost the leaks may mean. This is how government transparency should be like.
(Btw., I have not seen a single informant's name - they were redacted out.)
Ummm,
Are socialist hippies like you not disappointed with the leaks ?
Why no 9/11 conspiracy evidence ?
Why is it that the whole middle east wants to bomb Iran ? Not just Israel as the hippies like you believe ?
Apparently everything is not as the US would like to paint it. Remember the Wikileaks video footage of the reporters getting shot up? Yeah that was some "National Security" shit-all-right.
The world is indeed a very dangerous place and there are a lot more enemies than one would like to think.
You mean the same video where Assange admit to removing the clip that shows insurgents holding rocket launchers? The same insurrgents that brought out US forces to that area in the first place?
Assange has an agenda... try to cause maximum harm to US interest anywhere. That's the reason why many of those initially involved with Wikileaks are distancing themselves from Assange. It's a shame that we have so-called "Americans" here who will let their dislike of the current administration blind them to the real harm that individuals like Assange are causing to the USA.
your screen name is blasphemous in my opinion.
Nobody gives a fuck about what you believe is blasphemous.
that was probably the point.
I concur with H Weaver... That is the tetragrammaton... Sacred to millions of people...
Wow, you really are out of your mind.
Those Reuters guys were hanging out with insurgents carrying RPGs and such, so they got wasted. Then some jack wagon thought it a good idea to drive a minivan with children inside into the carnage.
In the end, US interests were served by sending a clear message to the press that they cannot consort with the enemy and expect a free pass when the shooting starts.
Why no 9/11 evidence?
A. IF (and this is a big if) the United States planned and carried out 9/11 as a false flag event, it would NEVER have involved any foreign intelligence sources or powers. That would be the equivalent of handing over the keys to kingdom to whoever found out about it and had hard evidence, as they would have the power to cause a revolution in the US overnight.
B. There was no 9/11 conspiracy by anyone other than two dozen Arabians and a few peripheral support people.
C. Arab states have always been subject to infighting, and can only be united by an external threat. As such, any Arab state is going to try to use any external militaristic power to both further its own ends by having them smite their enemies, and further their own ends by distancing themselves from said external threat, and even supporting terrorist organizations to attack said external state. This reaction is directly proportional to the US presence within that country. This is why we were attacked by Saudis (we have permanent military bases in SA) as opposed to Egyptians, Libyans, or Indonesians.
We were attacked by Saudi's because we occupy their country and support their dictator.
There is a grea website that lays this out plain and simple. The evidence is overwhelming. That is - if you never took any physics in college, or just happen to think that A: 40,000 tons of structural steel is meltable in an open air keroseen fire, or B: Objects collapse through the path of greatest resistance, or C: Those people standing and waiving for help one floor above the 2,000+ degree temperatures it would take to melt the steel are just super used to face-melting heat, or D: Governments are there to help people. Check out Alpha Echo Nine One One truth dot Oscar Romeo Golf. Over one thousand architects and engineers agree that the buildings were wired.
I think you can get a decent sized building in an empty part of Detroit for cheap these days. You could hold a conspiracy convention in the lobby and then ignite a massive kerosene fire on one of the top floors to prove your theory once and for all. Since steel retains 100% of it's strength when heated - up until the second it melts of course - and since you will be standing within the path of most resistance you should be as safe as in church.
I'm sure Geraldo would cover it live...you might even turn a profit.
That's why blacksmiths can't work with steel. It doesn't soften when heated.
That's also why steel can't be heated and shaped, except by molding is when molten...
Wait a sec, that's not true at all!
¨Socialist hippies¨? You are just another name calling asshole. Get a mind.
Daily Bell weighs in:
"Free-Market Analysis: Is Julian Assange the rebel-with-a-cause that he makes himself out to be? We gave him the benefit of the doubt for months, and still do, but with less and less certainty. We don't remember when our suspicions became more pronounced, but (credit where credit is due) the ever-sleuthing blogger and Bell feedbacker Lila Rajiva was there before us, believing for one reason or another that Assange was part of a larger disinformation campaign by the powers-that-be.
Now we are not willing to suggest this is a certainty (and maybe Ms. Rajiva is still not certain either.) But every time his WikiLeaks does another one of these data dumps, Assange takes another step backward in our view. Back in July after a massive WikiLeaks "dump" seemed to set a narrative that Pakistan was at fault for the Afghan war, we'd had enough and wrote a fictional narrative in which we imagined two CIA agents coming up with the idea for an Assange-like character. You can read our analysis here: Comes a Blond Stranger.
This latest effort by Assange raises even more doubts so far as we are concerned. First, there is the constant (annoying) advance dissemination of information to the likes of mainstream leftist publications such as the UK Guardian and Le Monde ... and previously to the New York Times. Anyone who believes that the New York Times (or the Guardian for that matter) is not in cahoots with the powers-that-be, has got to be terminally naïve in our opinion. That goes for Assange, too.
Does Assange, for all his apparent cynicism, not get it? He believes that the mainstream media is worth cultivating for his purposes? Apparently, he is fairly sure of their cooperation. Not that Assange puts it that way. There's plenty of information on the Internet about the way the world works. But rather than focus on the mercantilist intrigues of the Anglosphere, which uses the levers of government to advance its own private interests, Assange focuses attention on the government itself with his endless leaks of hundreds of thousands of low-level documents that are somehow "classified."
It's early days and much more is sure to emerge from this latest massive dissemination of raw, "secret" data, but from our point of view the Anglosphere, maybe, doesn't have much to worry about. (We could still be wrong.) Here's the narrative – the COINTELPRO promotion (if that is what is) – as we see it. Below we list the "news" as it pertains to the secret data that's been revealed and then the "result" – which is often favorable to the Anglosphere and its "war on terror" in our humble view ..."
more here:
http://www.thedailybell.com/1561/WikiLeaks-Clever-PsyOps.html
So many "leaks" encouraging an Iran invasion look suspicious. Anyway, suspicious is not enough for a definitive statement, but adds for one.
socialist hippies are in any case far superior to warmongering little conservative empire building twats in any case, ready to support everything the darth lord obama does as puppet of the powers that be.
Will the government now go back and throw Daniel Elseberg in jail for releasing the Pentagon Papers?
I wonder under what laws it is that these dastardly UnAmerican wikileakers are criminals. Obviously American law does not apply to non-Americans in other countries.
Yet the US continues to reject jurisdiction under the World Court. Of course, that's when the shoe is on the other foot . . . and would likely result in half of our Government facing trial for War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity, etc. .
Ok, so if somebody intercepts your private e-mail and publishes it on the 'net, you are cool with that? No crime, so long as the poster is not an American?
If this was the case, it would serve to stifle freedom of speech, not enhance it. If you, I, or agents of government cannot have a private conversation, then we have lost a basic freedom.
Governments cannot possess freedom, only individuals can. Giving "freedom" to the government to have "private conversation" is giving away your own individual freedom, as a government, for and by the people, should have absolutely NO secrets, NONE, from its people. You are a douchebag.
An absolutely excellent point, no doubt lost on all douchebags. From a comment I read earlier today:
This is simply a calculated information leak by the CIA, pure US propaganda. Who knows how much of it is true and how much is pure fabrication? This is being used to push this country into another war to benefit the military industrial complex and push New World Order agenda.
The main goal of this information leak just may be to help push through new legislation to let the government restrict internet access and shut down domains at their discretion. The Obama administration has been going after this for quite awhile. Part of this legislation was hidden in the Obamacare bill. The US Government is out to censor what you can see/read on the internet
Clint - I think you are correct. The Bloomberg take-away was "see all the countries that say the US needs to invade Iran".
It is a setup.
Which just points out in stark relief that perhaps the Iranians are completely justified in developing nucular weapons! Sometimes, paranoia and truth coincide.
The US Government would be crapping their pants for real if Ahmadinejad spoke English and could clearly articulate his points about Israel, the difference between Semitic and Khazarian Jews, 9-11, etc. If Mahmoud got a copy of Rosetta Stone and spent an hour a day on it, he'd make the hype about Assange (who is probably a CIA spook anyway) pale significantly.
I too think that Wikileaks is a way to get the sheeple to beg for censorship, and to give an excuse to shut Iran up before too many people connect the dots.
"The US Government would be crapping their pants for real if Ahmadinejad spoke English and could clearly articulate his points..."
Whether the government would understand I dunno, I think we already do.
He believes some damn Imam is going to come popping up out of a water well which will be a sign of the last days.
We got.
If the surveilance and intrusion we all now endure as a condition of the "war on terror" are fair, then turn-about is fair play.
But crime is a matter of definition. Most everything my government is doing these days is criminal if I make the definitions.
Our government can only make the definitions for its own territory and citizens, however.
Maybe there's a legitimately applicable law, but I haven't heard it yet in the present case.
Try having a "Private Conversation" about bombing another country, or selling arms to another country that is not supposed to have them, or taking money from an oil well you may have and sending that money to Al Quada to fund their operations --- Let me Know how THOSE "Private Conversations" go for you.
oh get a life. with a name like team america though what can one expect? still playing with the GI joe toys? better get that evil cobra.
in any case our government is so full of corruption, duplicity, secrecy and manipulation that a wikileaks is exactly what it deserves.
Wiki-Leaks is truly going to be one of those things that is pervasive on the Internet. As someone who enjoys substantial personal freedom, the nay-sayers vs America should consider experiencing life abroad. Opening a business, saving money, employing people, working with the government. Wiki-leaks opens this can of worms in a vaccuum. To believe for one moment that all nations do not have similar policies is completely absurd. Wiki-leaks is only evidence that America allows significant freedom of speech. This release, however incendiary, is outrageous, and damaging to our hard-earned freedom at the expense of our brothers. Shawn A. Mesaros, Pamria, LLC
Action = Consequence. There are no accidents any longer.
http://www.thedailybell.com/1561/WikiLeaks-Clever-PsyOps.html
Seems plausible enough, good analysis and breakdown of key features.
Is this an admission on the part of our intelligence agencies that the US is planning on retreating from the middle east? That because the necessary forces have not been adequately trained and/or social tensions sufficiently remedied, the war would essentially be never ending. As a result, given our budgetary and other inherent constraints, we must descend the region into chaos so that the in fighting among middle eastern countries masks our retreat? Will this give us more nations desperate for our "protection" and, thus, willing to drop their oil panties? Is this a seed to sprout a larger middle eastern campaign instead of a retreat? Did the negatively implicated ME countries not strike a backdoor deal with us? All very curious.
I always thought it to be the strangest thing that TPTB had advance notice of the leaks in order to announce upcoming WikiLeaks postings, ensuring maximum publicity.
It's not only a psy-op, but a poor one at that. (gov't incompetence, right?)
Contrarian to the point of insanity, aren't you? You get a peek behind the curtain, but you cannot accept that The Mighty Oz didn't plan it that way.
See, we knew that you would know that we knew, so we planned accordingly. In order to make the leak believable we had to actually leak stuff we didn't want leaked, and lots of it, so that the leak would be so big that nobody would believe it. It's that dang "big lie" concept again. If you want to cover up leaks, leak more, and if you want to be totally preemptive about leaks you just leak it all in advance, thus beating the leakers at their own game.
Now tap your ruby slippers three times and you'll feel much better about it.
on which situation, the 1st amendment?
that's easy, D.O.A.
Hmmmm, criminals. What does that make the government officials who perform the "duties" that these leaks describe??
Priceless, Tyler!
You might want to be careful Tyler, bringing the wrong information could subject you to the nazi boot prints of the white house.
What I find astonishing about this whole WIKILEAKS saga is – NOBODY seems to be talking about the SLEAZY Tactics of the U.S. and many of the other counterparties – But Rather about how we need to prosecute the people who leaked the information, Forget about the fact that while you were sleeping – governments were secretly encouraging each other to bomb other countries to start wars, engaging in Arms Smuggling and Nuclear Material (Missiles) being shipped to countries that were not supposed to have them, Sabotage, Cyber Attacks --- NO – Let's NOT Talk About That – Let's put on a full court press to catch the Bastards who leaked the information and make sure we put them in prison for the rest of their lives for bringing this sort of bullshit into the open for all to see!!
Again – WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE – And Where is The MSM?
worshipping their hope god and covering up
Guess what numb nuts, evidently the leaks are quite dissapointing to the socialist hippie conspiracy crowd.
Of Course "Numb Nuts" - just like the missile off the coast of California -- No Big Deal I'm Sure. Now - can we get on with the really important things like when is the wedding set for Prince William -- and who was behind the conspiracy to keep Bristol Palin from winning Dancing with the Stars?
So is Wiki on your hippie conspiracy side or not ?
Wiki was yestarday but it looks like its not today. Why is that ? Because Wiki didn't find any evidence of NWO bullshit ?
Because Wiki didn't find any evidence of NWO bullshit ?
Yes - Of Course -- spoken from someone who seems to have read them from cover to cover. Define NOW Bullshit - Becuase from what I have read - there seems to be plenty. But of course there isn't any - and that is why they are crying to have the guy arrested and tried for Treason, conducting cyber attacks on the site trying to scub all of it off of the internet so nobody can read about it -- Nothing To See Here.
If I were Assange, I'd pull an ImADinnerJacket and deliver a speech before the UN, then go back home. Just what planet are some folks on? The US can be "displeased" all damn day about this, but Assange IS NOT a US Citizen and therefore is NOT a traitor to the USA, in Law at any rate.
You don't need anyone to leak NWO "bullshit"-quotes by rockefeller and kissinger do the trick
Troll, or e-bot, have you actually ever read anything in your life?
Those leaked cables tell an awesome story.
Just like reading all that predatory legislation vomited forth from the US congress over the past thirty to forty years, and that predatory jurisprudence spewed forth from the US Supreme Court explains exactly the crimes perpetrated upon us.
Nothing surprising to those of us who can read....
That was the point I was trying to make to Mr. Spitzer -- IF he had read any of the documents or stories - he would find that there was PLENTY of NWO "Bullshit" as he calls it - I call it Treason. Instead of going after the "Leakers" - the MSM should be going after those who comitted the acts that were leaked. Typical case of Shoot The Messenger but pay no attention to the message.
WTF! You haven't heard of the War On Terror? Nothing could be more terrifying than the truth.
We must tirelessly eliminate it at every turn lest it detroy our precious freedoms.
The MSM is working overtime to castrate said outrage.
WTF! You haven't heard of the War On Terror? Nothing could be more terrifying than the truth.
We must tirelessly eliminate it at every turn lest it detroy our precious freedoms.
When you refer to "NOBODY" you are referring to the NONmedia owned and operated by the five corporations who control the vast majority of CorporateMcNews.
Obviously, EVERYONE else is discussing EXACTLY what you mentioned.
And I brand the Bushes, Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld, Barack Obama, Timothy Geithner and Daniel Zelikow as criminals and traitors to the nation.
Where are those $17.7 billion of unaccounted for monies in Afghanistan?
We now know, thanks to Wikileaks, that the VP of Afghanistan brought $52 million into the UAE (United Arab Emirates) to establish an offshore account.
Guess that's what happened to the rest.
And how about that unaccounted for $8.7 billion in Iraqi reconstruction funds, kept on account at NY Federal Reserve's account (when Geithner was the chairman), and managed by JPMorgan Chase's managing director, Daniel Zelikow, who also happens to be Timothy Geithner's best-friend-forever.
next stop "internet terrorists" ..now where's that kill button again?
How's that "transparency" thingy working out for ya?
Does that include Der Spiegel, The Guardian, The New York Times, etc ?
Exactly, how is what they are doing through publishing the material any different than what Assange has done himself?
Failure is not an option, it's mandatory!
Assange is not an American citizen.
Therefore (drum roll please).... he is an ENEMY COMBATANT!
Please notify your nearest dittohead at once.
You're right! Assange Goes To Gitmo.
Until they convince Sweden to take him back for coffee & donuts with Obama and then he's back to where he started
A red swingline for him!
"Until they convince Sweden to take him back for coffee & donuts with Obama and then he's back to where he started."
ROTFL.
It's like some shady dude on a street corner.
Psssst...heh youze...yeah youze...over heahh...come eeehaah...I ain't gonna bite cha.
Can I interest youze in a nice barely used gitmo? (he says opening one side of his coat).
No?
Ow bout some bonds...right off da press...the good stuff...inks dry an everthin (opening the other side of his coat).
No?
Ok...gimme ya fuckin wallet asshole!...LOL.
Geez, IF ONLY he were, for he's a true hero.
Unfortunately, America is beset with scumbags like Dick Cheney, and Eric Holder, and George Weasel Bush, and Barry "the Wall Street lackey" Obama, and the two Clintons, those rightwing nuts who have made millions in the offshoring of America, and Peter G. Peterson, and David Rockefeller, and Larry Summers, and Robert Rubin, and all the rest of that trash.
Yup, when a real hero like a Bradley Manning, or a Bradley Birkenfeld comes along, they are immediately jailed.
Wow sarge, I guess I didn't realize that only right-wing nuts are the ones who have made millions from off-shoring jobs, made millions from investments in companies that off-shore jobs or spent some their ill-gotten gains on political "contributions" or lobbying efforts.
Just wow.
If my servant the government can have secrets from me and use its resources to defend them, then I can have secrets from my servant the government and defend them similarly.
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A statement of the obvious. Did you think this controversial?
I think it is often important to clearly state the obvious; the dot gov might, in fact, find my statement controversial.
Ummm, I guess you would have to be a US Citizen to be charged with treason.
Perhaps he should be given a medal for making us realize how little we receive from foreign aid, expensive diplomacy etc.
That's a good guess.
As for the rest, I think these leaks will reveal exactly the opposite. The money we spend on aid & diplomacy buys a lot...or at least it did until now. In the future nobody will trust us to keep a secret.
Instead of low-cost cooperation behind closed doors we'll have to do transparent stuff. Like wars. Way to go, WikiLeaks! Business will be BOOMING for TeamAmerica!
Is it treason if Assange is not a US citizen?
How about "Enemy of the State?"
Assange is on the NSA payroll. He's just a shill out there to divert attention from real issues. He's the puppet chosen to conveniently dish out "classified" information when and how TPTB need it. They need to start the ball rolling around Iran. What better way to "expose" the true feelings of Iran's arab "friends". Smells like a war brewing out there, but the US/EU involvement will be as arms suppliers and rebuilders of several new states that will come out as a result of yet another "partition" in the middle east.
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Thank you.. Finally someone that sees this psy op for what it really is..
Give me a break.. "Iran may have missles from North Korea".. " Saudi wants U.S. to bomb Iran"...
What dumb ass is buying this load of horse shit?... People are so fucking stupid, it amazes me..
ohhhh
So now that the leaks don't support the hippie socialist conspiracy agenda, all of a sudden the leaks are fabricated !!! I thought Assage was your hero ?
Fucking pathetic.
You thought?.. You don't know me you fucking moron..
Sorry to hear about your wage freeze.. Ohhh.. well.. that might not apply to clueless dumbfuck shills like you.
Thats right, nobody knows you because you just started a new conspiracy today.
"Assange was never my hero" yeah right
"Fucking pathetic."
You most certainly are.
Hippie socialist conspirators in every remark? Wow, that's pathetic. This is the problem when they send the shills from marketwatch to ZH. No step up in their game.
Is there one shred of evidence in one of these Wikileaks that supports any of the hot conspiracies of the day ?
Why would you use "hippie, socialist conspirators". Name calling is not an argument. If you have one make it. It's not like I use zionist banker scum in every post.
Right on, Spitzer.
All kinds of actual conspiracies are being revealed in these leaks, and yet the truthers feel compelled to become the deniers. Pathetic.
WOW TREASON? FUCK THIS COUNTRY! TREASON? I'm sure some will have mixed opionions on this but what exactly could be in those documents that could hurt us? we are fighting towel heads in shit huts...no offence...we are the ones who the planes, boats and bombs. oh what is everyone finally about to find out all of this war was a fraud faught for oil and for power freaks like kissinger to get their last nut before they die? fucking disgusting.
Treasonous are the congressmen who signed onto a letter requesting Obama to treat Israel differently after Petraeus testified our support for their apartheid regime is endangering our troops.
What could hurt us? Not avoiding conflicts could hurt us.
Leaks like this can destroy diplomacy. Ask yourself what happens when diplomacy fails.
You decry war, yet praise actions that may well make future wars more likely.
Diplomacy, schliplomacy. Hillary and her State Dept. diplomats are failures extroadinaire. Why else is it necessary to have US troops in 136 different countries? And we pay for that.
"Hillary and her State Dept. diplomats are failures extroadinaire. Why else is it necessary to have US troops in 136 different countries?"
Exactly.
I'm sittin here trying to figger out how, with 3 million government employees having access to these materials, they can be considered secrets...LOL.
This guy covers it pretty well;
http://www.salon.com/news/wikileaks/index.html?story=/tech/dan_gillmor/2010/11/29/wikileaks_a_few_questions
free market, free:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Govt-opens-probes-of-Honda-apf-4200043341.html?x=0
3 y.o. probe to the best selling direct competitor to the Gov Motors.
What is the next, a political kill? (using media & NSA to dig dirt on political opponents...sad)
If the above is not indicator of "welcome to and all hail the new banana republic" I do not know what is...
Leaking classified documents is a crime. Does anyone really need to be told that? Is this really a shocker that signals the end of the First Amendment?
As for Wikileaks, just designate it as a foreign intelligence service, which it clearly wants to be, and authorize the CIA and FBI to treat it accordingly.
There is a difference between law and legislation. Those who live by the force of arms of the government want you to think they are the same, but they are not.
Leaking classified documents is no more a crime than leaking trade secrets from a corporation. If those trade secrets involve acts of violent aggression, then it is the corporation that should face judgement, not the leaker.
"If those trade secrets involve acts of violent aggression, then it is the corporation that should face judgement, not the leaker."
Pretty much everything I have seen about these leaks so far says they haven't revealed any acts of violent aggression or crimes. They're just a bunch of cables from diplomats using frank language. Their sum result will be to make it more difficult to conduct our foreign policy by insulting/embarrassing a bunch of people we have to work with.
I think it is worthwhile for people in our foreign policy establishment to be able to have frank confidential discussions with each other. The better to hash out real problems and be clear about where they stand.
Wikileaks and many people here seem to think that a US foreign policy establishment where everyone feels that every word or comment will be seen by the public would be some sort of improvement.
I say let Americans who are working with Iran and Pakistan and China, etc. do their jobs and be able to express themselves in confidence.
These leaks are only valuable to those who want to see US foreign policy stumble. I am deeply suspect of any American who would take that position.
I wonder if you would have said the same thing if you had lived in Nazi Germany?
Sorry, "intelligence" is not what built America, nor is it vital to our continued freedom. Indeed, the opposite is demonstrably the case. If you want a culture of absolute secrecy in matters of state, I would suggest you apply for North Korean citizenship. They could always use another blind state-worshiper.
Um, there's this modern invention called Encryption! While it's an annoyance to use, apparently US Diplomats are too ignorant (or lazy! [more likely]) to figure out how to secure their communications!
Encryption only covers transit between endpoints.
I Agree chet, but what happens when the govt. goes on a classification binge as evidenced by Dick Cheny's term of offence?
Say, chet the douchbagger, ever you ever actually read anything in your putrid life?
Ever hear about the CIA's counterproliferation division called "Brewster Jennings" -- and how Cheney and company outed and compromised it by outing CIA agent supervisor Valerie Plame?
Ever hear the ONLY thing the FBI can do, which is to recruit rather dimwitted Africans, set them up with explosives, then "bust" them?
Ever hear about what happened in Oregon recently? Or what happened with that "underwear bomber" last Christmas?
WTF am I humoring this moron for????
I was standing about 50 feet from that white van in Portland last friday.
Classification and "national security" can certainly be abused. The Bush Admin was the grand champion of such abuse.
I just find the argument ridiculous that US foreign policy should be conducted with 100% transparency. If a diplomat thinks that some foreign leader is full of shit, shouldn't they be able to communicate that back to Washington? Don't other people in the State Dept need to know that the leader of Country X is full of shit? Well, now the diplomat won't be able to put that in writing.
And for what? What have we gained from limiting the way that the State Department can communicate in the future? What "leak" have you read in the last couple of days that was so earthshattering that it proves that the State Dept needs to be 100% transparent?
ENCRYPTION!! Why is this such a difficult concept?
The first ammendment is still valid.
Sharing classified and secret cables between diplomats is not valid. It never has nor should it ever be.
Also, yelling "bomb" on a plane is not valid.
"curiouser and curiouser" yet soooo predictable. Still wondering about Wiki's real agenda, and who's behind the curtain(s)
Wiki leaks is an arm of the CIA. It gives uncle Sam a reason to "tighten security nad secrecy" not a legit reason but a reason. It also serves as a distraction from the real activites the government doen't want us paying attention to.
But wasn't the hippies like you saying a few days ago that Assage was being sabotaged by the CIA in that rape case ?
Now the leaks come out, and don't support your conspiracy so you start a new conspiracy. Now your saying that Assange is in bed with the CIA !
Holy fuck !
Hey dumb ass.. Try to grip this... Wikileaks starts out strong, to get people's attention.. Then, it directs the people's confidence towards their brand of truth..
It's called controling dissent by leading dissent.. That may be beyond your anti-hippie grasp but nonetheless, it's real..
What a fucking tool.. So what are you gonna do with your time between dancing with the stars and american idol?... Some good ole fashin hippie bashing and moooslem killing?
Let me guess....Another conspiracy ?
So I guess the only thing the world should ever believe is from MaxHunterLeaks.
Just take your head out of your ass for about 6 seconds and take an objective view of the world around you.. Ohh.. sorry... nevermind
I tire of your (see ur 1st post on thread and repeats throughout thread) disassociating argument. But then again I don't know what you and your online lover are so passionately spitting bout!
The Daily Bell agrees with you: http://www.thedailybell.com/1561/WikiLeaks-Clever-PsyOps.html
Hey dip shit. I've always maintained that wiki leaks is an arm of the cia. Documents of this magnitude don't get "leaked". They are put out for a reason. An for your info dumb ass I am about as conservative free market person as they come. But I know bullshit when I see it.
Ya mean like profiting from "Drug Prohibition?" Or, how about arms dealing? You can be sure those missing Billion$ in Iraq and Afghanistan didn't go unused.
so the government can just classify the facts in your speech and control the scope of the 1st Amendment?
I don't understand this logic at all. Sharing corporate secrets is also typically illegal, but no so when the party is acting as a whistleblower on illegal activities. Apparently, there is no such protection for any actor within the federal government.
The worst part is it is the same entity under suspicion, the government, that defines what is "classified". I guess any illegal activity by the government is A-OK, as long as they don't forget to stamp it CLASSIFIED.
Pretty much.
I don't write the laws.
My point is that the law is wrong, not Assange's actions. Americans ought to be rallying to his defense, not villainizing him.
Actually he has given us what FOIA promised and never delivered.
cognitive dissonance. Uhmericans can't handle the fact that a) governments are evil and b) THEIR (my) government is evil.
I for one applaud the leaks...pull back the freaking curtains and let the evil out for all to see. We can never have peace, trust and a level playing field as it is.
cognitive dissonance. Uhmericans can't handle the fact that a) governments are evil and b) THEIR (my) government is evil.
I for one applaud the leaks...pull back the freaking curtains and let the evil out for all to see. We can never have peace, trust and a level playing field as it is.
cognitive dissonance. Uhmericans can't handle the fact that a) governments are evil and b) THEIR (my) government is evil.
I for one applaud the leaks...pull back the freaking curtains and let the evil out for all to see. We can never have peace, trust and a level playing field as it is.
You can't write laws, only legislation. There is a big difference. Laws are absolute. The state pretends that it represents that absolute, when they instead call legislation "law", when said legislation is in fact exactly contrary to the law.
Life, liberty, property, and decendent rights are the only true law.
Yeah, but you KNOW that principles really have little to do with RealPolitik!
Assange has simply been turning over the rocks that the US Govt. has been hiding under -- why should anyone with a brain be surprised to see creepy crawlies in the company of Govt agencies?
Huh? WTF are you talking about?? Laws are made by legislation!! Milestones
Cops can strip search an individual on a NYC subway without a warrant....in what is supposed to be a liberal state.
1st amendment.....that's nuthin'.
Not if he's a registered democratic party member.
Assange couldn't be charged with treason, as he isn't a citizen of the US.
Also, the First Amendment largely only applies to prior restraints on speech. It never served as a guarantee that a person would not be held accountable for what was said after the fact (e.g., inciting a riot is a criminal offense).
USGovt. operatives: "But my Lord, Assange has gone underground, he is out of our range"
Emperor: "Not for the Sith"
+1!
The Sith can do nothing at this point except hope that Assange has a long life and dies from natural causes! Anything else will only increase the speculation of Sith shady-dealings.
I don't see a connection between leaking classified documents and the First Amendment, sorry. Of course they are crooks and any US Citizen involved an act of treason, yes.
I predict we won't see anything from Wikileaks shedding light on 9/11 discrepancies.
That's as sound a prediction as the sun rising in the east..
If such documents ever existed (and I'm not saying they did) these and any indexes to them no longer exist to be leaked even if the leaker had such extreme level of access.
Another disappointed hippie socialist.
Maybe because there is no discrepancies on 9/11 ?
One day Wiki is the hippies hero, the next day its all a part of the conspiracy.
Hippie??... What... are you fucking Nixon now?
Are you 13 years old? WTF is the matter with you? What do "hippie socialists" have anything whatsoever to do with this conversation? I'm going to junk you everytime I see "hippie" anything on your comments because there have not been any "hippies" since 1975. Grow up.
Is Wikileaks an arm of the CIA or not ?
It apparently is now.. Don't forget Mossad.. Dumbass.. Always leaving out the good stuff.. How convenient... I see Israel is quite happy with the leaks.. Who would have thunk it..
I rest my case
Not a moment too soon... Moron
Another disappointed hippie socialist.
Maybe because there is no discrepancies on 9/11 ?
One day Wiki is the hippies hero, the next day its all a part of the conspiracy.
You are on a roll.
Someone said No hippies since 1975? You should tell Joan Baez maybe she can stop sleeping in the tree.
Assange, chanelling Jon Steward has already confessed that 911 was an outside job.
As evidenced by Wikileaks and GM's Bailout?
How did Wickey get the documents to begin with?
Supposedly one guy leaked all of them. How him downloading 250,000 classified documents didn't raise a red flag in the computer systems is beyond me though...
sheer incompetence? You guys think degubmint, which hires staff based upon diversity criteria as primary is full of what, crackerjacks?
People SO refuse to believe that the gov is that incompetent that they are forced to invent massive conspiracy theories in order to explain things like 9/11.
That is very true and often overlooked. The truth is that everything government does - from delivering mail to waging war - it does poorly. It only manages to achieve what it does by expending vast (stolen) resources to overcome the massive inefficiencies within the system.
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incomptence."
which is why I don't think OUR government planned it.. It's not that hard for them to cover up what they know though. Keep living in your fantasy world..
Nice touch.. Almost believable..
I would venture to guess that they have enough competent people at their disposal to demolish 3 buildings send a rocket into another and then misinform the public about it. In fact we know they thrive on disinfo. Wait they even had a motivation to do it, and many people benefited. But a plan, no-rich, powerful people don't make plans, its all chaos, coincidence. Their unwillingness to address legitimate questions regarding 911 is enough evidence of their complicity. Conspiracy Theory=when what you see contradicts the "official" story