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Janet Tavakoli On Why Meltdown Risk Now Is Greater Than It Was In 2007

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One of the foremost experts on structured finance and derivatives presents a holistic overview of not only the current economic fiasco, and in 10 brief minutes with Max Keiser she provides more succinct, unbiased and relevant information that most pundits are able to convey in years on and off TV, but also highlights the bigger problem of how the administration keeps treating the US public as a bunch of stupid infants, throwing paper blankets over raging systematic fires that are anything but doused. And yet, the administration's ploy so far is successful, unfortunately speaking volumes about the intellectual rigor of the average gullible American.

Futhermore, Zero Hedge joins in endorsing Mr. Keiser's glowing recommendation of Janet's book "Dear Mr. Buffett: What An Investor Learns 1,269 Miles From Wall Street" a must read for anyone who wishes to get a deep understanding of the real severity of America's economic debacle (we receive absolutely no compensation for recommending this book).




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Sat, 10/03/2009 - 15:23 | Link to Comment BabaJ
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People in structured finance and the shadow financial system are among the few to truly realize the magnitude of the problem.

Great piece.

 

Sat, 10/03/2009 - 18:55 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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Yeah, most of the people I talk to are in denial.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 17:35 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/03/2009 - 15:40 | Link to Comment Lionhead
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Bullish!!  Look for new highs on SPX, 1200 perhaps... Euphoria now will surely displace the loss of jobs and declining wages. Fools with tons of money will supply the fodder to keep rolling over debt in perpetuity.  Hedge funds, get LONG now! ;)

Sat, 10/03/2009 - 15:43 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/03/2009 - 16:54 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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Yup.

BTW... If nominal GDP was down 5% and the GDP deflator was -10%... we'd actually have Real GDP growth of 5%.

I think that's the 'green shoots' angle Timmy and Ben are working on.

I love macroeconomics...

Sat, 10/03/2009 - 23:26 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Post of the day

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 14:04 | Link to Comment AN0NYM0US
Sat, 10/03/2009 - 22:11 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sun, 10/04/2009 - 10:25 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sun, 10/04/2009 - 12:44 | Link to Comment DaddyWarbucks
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"The cash has to be there to make the payments, where's the cash coming from.."

That's a lot of common sense from someone who works in the "high" financial system. Many small business owners ask themselves that question so often that they should be walking around with a set of prayer beads.

An acquaintance who runs( oops I mean ran) a franchise sandwich shop shut down Friday. The in depth analysis was "I can't pay the bills anymore.." The reality of that is 17 employees out of work come monday. I read comments from so many people yakking about inflation/deflation, GDP this, CPI that, blah, blah, blah and I wonder how many have ever had to meet even a small payroll with THEIR OWN MONEY ( this last condition rules out almost all the corporate executives). Anyone reading this who has ever had to do this understands that the difference between OPM and My Own Money is what separates the men from the boys( apologies to Marla and other ladies, it's just a saying).

 

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 11:37 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/03/2009 - 15:46 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Mon, 10/05/2009 - 13:47 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 18:46 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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+1

 

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 09:27 | Link to Comment dnarby
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OMFG...

I'm going to give you a chance to name said Zionists in the Fed.

But if you can't... STFU f-tard.

And war is not a cause of economic instablity, it is a result.

Flagged as junk.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 00:42 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 14:27 | Link to Comment jesusonline
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Ben Shalom Bernanke looks like a zionist to me alright

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 13:53 | Link to Comment JR
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In my opinion, there’s a general understanding in American politics that Zionists, not Jews per se, are Jews who want to use American political, economic and military power to support the interests of the state of Israel.  And they have been accused accurately, IMO, of using U.S. support of Israel even when it jeopardizes the national interests of the United States.

I think the war in Iraq urged on the United States by the Zionist neo-cons in the Bush Administration, using every thin pretext possible including manipulating Intelligence, forced an attack on a sovereign nation that was not a serious threat to the stability of the United States.  The airwaves are now awash with every conceivable danger illuminated concerning Iran’s nuclear program.

Given the fact that the pro-Israel political forces are so strong within the U.S. government--top to bottom in the Obama administration and in the financial sectors (yes, including Zionist influence in the Federal Reserve System)--the American people are now faced with a wake-up call.  Are we to fight another undeclared war where Congress takes no action to be on record without clear evidence as to what American interests are at stake?  It is childish and foolish to call inquiries of this kind as anti-Semitic.  We are talking about the largest economic decision of this new century, let alone the blood and sacrifice for peoples in the Middle East and families in the United States.

Are there no statesmen left who will put the interests of the United States ahead of these dangers?

Sat, 10/03/2009 - 15:56 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/03/2009 - 15:56 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/03/2009 - 18:03 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/03/2009 - 21:15 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sun, 10/04/2009 - 02:01 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sun, 10/04/2009 - 11:06 | Link to Comment Lndmvr
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From time to time I look around the midwest city I moved to and now I don't want to any more! Check this out and look at the dates, then think of the FED, then develop a conspiracy theory, then move forwards to today. We are so screwed.http://www.villiscaiowa.com/  

 

 

Sat, 10/03/2009 - 18:36 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/03/2009 - 20:40 | Link to Comment Fish Gone Bad
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Ouch!  She has written numerous books, and been on Max Keiser.  Got any suggestions?  Now that you apparently know, are you going to do your best to head off the disaster? 

Sat, 10/03/2009 - 19:38 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/03/2009 - 21:07 | Link to Comment ZerOhead
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PANIC !!!!

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 00:22 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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| Runs around screaming with Zerohead!!!!

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 12:54 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/03/2009 - 16:01 | Link to Comment geopol
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The inflation folks are right, however we don't have enough juice to fill the derivatives hole, so that protracts the time-line for it's effect on the general CPI. 

 

On a long enough time-line the survival rate for everyone drops to ZERO. Hmm sounds familiar.

 

 

Sat, 10/03/2009 - 16:04 | Link to Comment DBLTapViper
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Hey Tyler get this lady to be one of your contributors

Sat, 10/03/2009 - 16:28 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 02:43 | Link to Comment agrotera
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me too!

Sat, 10/03/2009 - 20:41 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/03/2009 - 16:08 | Link to Comment Sqworl
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Thank you...just download her book to my KindleDX...+100...love Maxi

 

Cheeky, relax...x

Sat, 10/03/2009 - 16:51 | Link to Comment defender
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Sqworl, what happened to your avatar?  Also, is the kindle any good?  I always thought that they sounded like a lot of money for a lot of headache.

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 10:48 | Link to Comment Sqworl
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My avitar passed....

 

@Defender:

I love my kindleDX.  It was a gift.  downloading best sellers in 2 seconds for $9.98 is a wonderful thing!  I also can adjust the font size..has built in tools and you never have to touch paper or get ink on your hands...Love it.

Sat, 10/03/2009 - 16:11 | Link to Comment exportbank
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Bad tax policy encourages bad monetary decisions.

A dollar of earnings should be taxed at the same rate regardless of how it came about. You shouldn't need 80,000 pages to spell out fair and equitable tax rules.

Sat, 10/03/2009 - 16:31 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Sat, 10/03/2009 - 17:55 | Link to Comment ozziindaus
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I like Max and have been listening to him for a while now but I just can't confirm whether he believes in the deflation argument yet. Also I'm starting to hear alot of prominant Inflationists put out a case for deflation. I don't care about what's going to happen three, four years from now. My timeframe is immediate to 6 months away at most. Massive asset inflation through dollar devaluation in 5 years means nothing if I don't have my house by the end of the year.

Sat, 10/03/2009 - 19:24 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sun, 10/04/2009 - 11:34 | Link to Comment bonddude
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I agree with this. 

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 13:17 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sun, 10/04/2009 - 19:13 | Link to Comment sgt_doom
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Exactly & spot on, Anon to the Ozz!

We are in the murkiest of territory here...nothing like this scenario has ever existed before.  All predictions are invalid at this point due to insufficient historic data.

My recommendation for the best read on the economic meltdown and necessary reforms to avoid its continuance: Nomi Prins' It Takes a Pillage --- an outstanding text on this subject. Janet Tavakoli, Nomi Prins, Prof. James Galbraith, Prof. Michael Hudson, Prof. Ravi Batra should have been Pres. Obama's appointments in the capacity of economic advisors, not those corrupt clowns he now has.

Sat, 10/03/2009 - 19:26 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Sat, 10/03/2009 - 20:46 | Link to Comment Fish Gone Bad
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@ "...unfortunately speaking volumes about the intellectual rigor of the average gullible American."  That is so sad and true (at least in my circle). 

Sat, 10/03/2009 - 20:47 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/03/2009 - 22:25 | Link to Comment MountainHawk
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What's up w/ Max's hair do?

Sat, 10/03/2009 - 22:38 | Link to Comment MountainHawk
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I'd like hear her go up against Peter Schiff on the inflation vs deflation argument.

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 13:01 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/03/2009 - 23:26 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sat, 10/03/2009 - 23:32 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Janet's analysis does an excellent job of taking this subject matter to a place most folks can ingest.  Rare feat.

Sat, 10/03/2009 - 23:56 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Sun, 10/04/2009 - 03:09 | Link to Comment Joe Sixpack
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Janet Tavakoli seems to "get it". I've been coming across her work for the last 2 years while I studied this collapse.

 

www.derivativescollapse.com (formerly siv0.com)

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 03:12 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sun, 10/04/2009 - 07:20 | Link to Comment Ned Zeppelin
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You're right. Watched the video.  He's unhinged and missing some essential software updates.

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 13:11 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 19:22 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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+1

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 04:06 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sun, 10/04/2009 - 07:25 | Link to Comment Ned Zeppelin
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People with real, earned US dollars in their hands get a tad irritated when they see someone else get the some dollars by simply printing them.  QE by its nature must be announced (i.e., "overt") and must have a stated quantity or end point to avoid the danger of currency collapse. Right now, I'd say we are in overt QE mode, soon to end as to Treasuries, but have been in covert mode for quite some time.

Whatever happened to those billions of US bonds intercepted in Italy? That incident was either something or nothing, and more likely something. If so,  evidence of massive covert QE.

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 04:16 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sun, 10/04/2009 - 09:50 | Link to Comment Project Mayhem
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Janet darling, marry me!!!

 

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 10:32 | Link to Comment Stargroves
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For those of us who know Janet a little bit - you have to take her with a huge grain of salt.  I think a takeoff of Elvis Costello's "Radio, Radio" .."where she wants to bite the hand that fed her.." has never been more appropriate.  Such a more dramatic Cassandra I have yet to meet.  That said I will give her props for exposing some of this stuff for what it is.

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 10:32 | Link to Comment Rama V
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"SEC is a captive regulator, the slumbering esquires' club...had they choked off the money supply by shutting down the financial meth labs (JPM, MS, Lehman Brothers, GS, Bear Sterns) creating the securitizations upon which the credit derivatives and derivatives were based, choked off the money supply, stopped the  ponzi scheme in its tracks, our problem would be much smaller...where are the felony indictments of senior officers who created these derivative in the first place? ..These peple are now merged with our banks!"

This next downturn will be surprising in its severity.

 

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 11:11 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sun, 10/04/2009 - 12:37 | Link to Comment Chumly
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I love her answer regarding the Fed's toxic balance sheet.

Max: "Is that going to explode?"

Janet: "Yes"

Enough said.  You'd never get a such straight answer from Barry, Larry, Timmy or Benny, those fraudulant bastards enabling their crooked bankstah buddies.

 

 

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 13:16 | Link to Comment Leo Kolivakis
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Tavakoli is superb but I pray she is wrong. One thing about derivatives is that we need to create an exchange to make OTC derivatives more transparent. I also think the notional figures are scary, but what is the real damage on banks' balance sheets? It still haven't found credible information on that, just a lot of fear mongering and obscure claims that cannot be verified.

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 19:46 | Link to Comment sgt_doom
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So Leo, you sound familiar?  Goldman, perhaps? Or JPM?  Naaah...I think it's Morgan Stanley, right?

Newsflash: Former derivatives dealer, who flunked HS Algebra, found dead from exploding head syndrome!

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 13:22 | Link to Comment blackebitda
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"unfortunately speaking volumes about the intellectual rigor of the average gullible American."

herein lies the lack of information and knowledge productivity, coupled with the added stress of too much credit in the global financial system, that spurs the global economy down the necessary yet painful long term path of deflation and depression. 

yet the 20/80 rule, where those who do not lack the intel rigor...are able to extract wealth for ourselves and the fiduciary interests we may or may not serve. 

 


Sun, 10/04/2009 - 13:37 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Sun, 10/04/2009 - 18:11 | Link to Comment Douglasnew
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THE PROBLEM IS THAT PEOPLE LIKE JANET TAVAKOLI ARE NOT IN POLITICS. JANET TAVAKOLI EXPLORATORY COMMITTEE ANYONE?

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 10:51 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sun, 10/04/2009 - 19:07 | Link to Comment Ruth
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Here's a good piece explaining the latest attempts deferred by states on CDS'  http://www.metrocorpcounsel.com/current.php?artType=view&EntryNo=10049

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 19:53 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Sun, 10/04/2009 - 20:13 | Link to Comment contrabandista13
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My ears always perk up when "Capacity Utilization" is mentioned in commentary, few mention this.  I also find it odd that the "Unemployment Rate" is still being referred  to as a lagging indicator by your regular sundry economic commentator.

 

Not withstanding some progress in a recovery overseas, I see little prospect of a sustainable effort being able to manifest itself domestically without moving the implementation of policy from the ridiculous to the obscene. 

I can't cry therefore I must laugh....

 

Best regards,

 

Econolicious

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 20:31 | Link to Comment Grand Supercycle
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Daily charts still look toppy and USD bullish signals continue.

http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/market-outlook-0

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 21:36 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sun, 10/04/2009 - 23:24 | Link to Comment Douglasnew
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You sound like a young retired jerkoff to me.

Sun, 10/04/2009 - 23:35 | Link to Comment Grand Supercycle
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#88490 is boasting, but it sounds like it's justified.

Good on him.

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 08:10 | Link to Comment Green Sharts
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Do you believe everything you read on the internet?

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 00:02 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 10/05/2009 - 00:48 | Link to Comment Leo Kolivakis
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To that young retired broker...start a blog, spread the wealth. :)

Mon, 10/05/2009 - 08:11 | Link to Comment Green Sharts
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It's not surprising that you're gullible enough to buy that story.

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