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Japan-China Conflict Escalates (Again): 4 Japanese Nationals Detained In China
Things are getting wierder and wiered: China has confirmed it has detained 4 Japanese officials due to "violation of a Chinese law relating to protection of military facilities." Xinhua reports: "The state security authorities in Shijiazhuang, capital of Hebei, have taken measures against the four people according to law after receiving a report about their illegal activities." It is unclear if the four suggested recommending nuking the 3 Gorges dam for risk of cracks and terminal collapse during the next massive earthquake. Next up: Chinese defense forces amassing in Manchuria. In other news President Obama believes he can tell Hu Jintao what to do...
From Reuters:
A Japanese foreign ministry spokesman confirmed on Friday that four Japanese nationals had been detained in China on suspicion of violating Chinese law regarding the protection of military facilities, as tensions rise between Asia's two biggest economies.
The two sides are already locked in an increasingly heated dispute triggered by Japan's detention of a Chinese fishing boat captain whose trawler collided earlier this month with a Japanese patrol boat in waters near islands both sides claim.
Analysts say the trawler dispute is largely a row over sovereignty in an area with rich natural gas resources.
The islands are known as the Diaoyu islands in China and the Senkaku islands in Japan.
"We were told the reason for the detention of the four Japanese people is violation of Chinese law relating to protection of military facilities," said Hidenobu Sobashima, deputy foreign ministry spokesman.
"We will monitor closely the developments. We were told they violated Chinese law and we need to monitory closely what will be the conclusion," he added.
Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshito Sengoku, commenting on the affair, said it was important for the two countries to foster strategic, mutually beneficial relations -- a nod to the deep economic ties that would be at risk if the row worsens.
China's Xinhua news agency said on Thursday: "The state security authorities in Shijiazhuang, capital of Hebei, have taken measures against the four people according to law after receiving a report about their illegal activities." It gave no details.
A spokeswoman for Japan's Fujita Corp, an unlisted construction company, said that five of its employees were missing in China -- four Japanese nationals and one Chinese national. But they had no firm information on their whereabouts
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Again,
Obama Admin, watch & learn how two old-school Asian guys fight it out. Maybe China won't bitch-slap you so badly again....you pack of fools.
Will there be nunchucks?
No but there will be lunch - and the Chinese will be eating yours.
Good, because I serve plenty of Kool-Aid. I see you've imbibed.
Japan has (hastily) released the boat captain they held.
The US is re-opening a rare earth mine in CA.
And so on. Stress fractures beginning to show? Or simply pressure relieved?
Your so fucking stupid you sit on the tv and watch the couch.
What?
Big Yuan Rise Would Mean Bankruptcies: Chinese Premier
An appreciation of 20 percent in China's currency would cause widespread bankruptcies in China's export sector, where firms operate on thin margins, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao said on Wednesday.
"The conditions for a major appreciation of the renminbi do not exist," Wen said in a speech to U.S. businessmen in New York. He said the appeciation of China's currency demanded by U.S. lawmakers would not bring jobs back to the United States because U.S. firms no longer make such labor-intensive products.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/39317675
Update-
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Have you hugged your Chinese peasants lately?
The China Post :
In other words, some 310 million people in China have an income that is on a par with that of people in France or the United States, but there are also hundreds of millions living at the bottom of society in abject poverty. “Don't forget, China's current success is built on 300 million people taking advantage of 1 billion cheap laborers. And the unfair judicial system and the unfair distribution of wealth are making the challenges even greater,” Zhou says with a tone of stern reproach.
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/commentary/the-china-post/special-to-the-china-post/2010/06/28/262505/Chinas-unequal.htm
China Daily:
President Hu Jintao recently and clearly suggested that the nation further adjust its national income distribution. China has responded, initiating broad reforms of how income is spread among the population.
Thirty years of booming economic development has created mounting national wealth. But uneven wealth distribution not only creates imbalances in the nation's economic structure and in international and domestic demands, but it also weakens domestic demand, one of the most important factors for sustainable development in the Chinese economy.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/thinktank/2010-01/21/content_9354134.htm
Sorry, but they are not going to be able to reshape Chinese society before the West has recurring unemployment rates of 20% plus across the board (oh, maybe not Germany). This will take years.
Time for a nudge?
Sho-Nuff!
Correction: ... pack of complacent ignorant fools.
I just went to Asia for the first time two weeks ago. The U.S. is a third world country compared with what I saw. It was embarrassing enough to return LAX - could have been worse - could have been JFK.
Potemkin villages are good for doing that.
there are abundant "unauthorized" exposes on the massive pollution and environmental catastrophe that is the real China
I hate JFK and just heard something recently about getting my data to HMS 3 days in advance before flying ??? People can come see me or we will Skype. I used to love travelling ....
Keep travelling, just avoid the arseholes employed by US border patrol.
I gave up even transiting through the USA years ago.
You're kidding right ? Most of Asia, including China, is quite poor. Please leave Hong Kong and your 5 star hotel and the airports. Or just look at per cap GDP numbers.
Yeah, it looks fucking great...when are you leaving again?
http://www.asianoffbeat.com/default.asp?Display=993
I love watching tai chi and other "internal martial artists" get their asses kicked in. But up until the fight they look all cool and shit.
Seriously, Obama is a dufus, but China has a fuck load of problems, like 1.2 trillion in US bonds and currency! Now, Japan is in a mess because they don't have nukes. So solly, your neighbor does!
Obligatory re-post of SNL instant classic:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/110317/saturday-night-live-china-cold-open
Thank you.
Japan has been asleep for twenty years. I applaud China for giving her a poke; it will be interesting to see a re-awakened Japan.
Re-awakening? Their population is depressed and rapidly aging. Expect Japan to be China's lap dog going forward - I can even see it being absorbed into the collective.
Like your head has been reabsorbed up your ass? Since when did chimps access the internet?
You got on, didn't you, Fab?
You of all people should understand that Japan has been waking up - I mean you do know what your avatar is, right?
I assume you've watched all of GITS/SAC/2G, right? And hopefully Code Geass, and Bleach.
With Geass, they really give away the whole game when Lelouch vi Britannia has a scene imploring the entire nation of Japan: what does it mean to be Japanese? A certain segment of Japanes anime producers have been working busily to rehabilitate bushido (which is basically the entire point of Bleach) and re-instill Japanese national identity in the next generation.
Those with ears have already listened.
I'm betting Japan doesn't back down very easily.
Hahaha, I would have taken you seriously a couple years ago but not anymore. Bushidou spirit in Bleach and Lelouch? I guess you missed the Bushidou spirit in K-On!, because that's where Japan's moving. Don't know about Bleach, but Code Geass is more about royalty, anglo-saxon, military and mecha fetish than anything else. Bleach is purely a children show.
Anime as a whole tends to be very little political, and more about "form", specially the marketable form which now is moe in its current appearance. There are very little anime titles related strictly to politics, I could name 2: Ginga Eiyuu Densetsu and Higashi no Eden. The first one is a masterpiece in all aspects but it's more of an extended (and less misery centred) Les Miserables in space, very general in politics, but very interesting as it shows the 2 sides of the aisle very good (not in black and white as many others do). Higashi no Eden ends up in nothing, so not very much political ideas there.
Japan is asleep more than ever at the wheel, even now. Except for a few, those who decide to live smaller and with less, the rest are in a stupor. I'm sorry, but no Bleach, no One Piece, and no other animu (now so famous) revolving around 20th century Japanese literature will change that.
They will have to recapture that Okinawa base. Lately, as a democracy, they elected a government with a mandate to perform the task.
The guy in charge of performing the operation was sacked as he failed.
Politicians like obama and the rest tell themselves that they are powerful and important because America is powerful and important. Its just not that way anymore.
http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/09.10/decline.html
Just curious - did you spell weird weird on purpose? I before E except after C and a bunch of of exceptions :) Interesting post - I don't judge on spelling errors - I make a ton of them myself but couldn't help but notice.
You wanna get nuts? LET'S GET NUTS!!!!
TiES, SPIES, THAIS
http://williambanzai7.blogspot.com/2010/09/ties-spies-and-thais.html
That's too funny. All of this has come about because Hu looked into Obama's eyes and saw a metro-sexual globalist. There seems to be a lot of issues going on in this pissing contest, not the least of which is the US reaction. Biden warned that Obama will be tested.
Amended to add that Hu sees the same thing in PM Kan.
Biden is a full fledged fuck wad. Hey JOE how about those 250-500k jobs a month coming along!
Once upon a time, a Chinese princess fucked a monkey.
Comically, the slut got pregnant, so she fled to the eastern islands and had her baby with her simian lover.
The descendants of this pair are what we now call the "japanese." Or at least, that's what my people believe.
and they are clearly your people. stick with them.
Jealous that your kind is not a contender for the title of "master race?" I would be too, if my culture were so inferior.
Time to go long dolphin and whale.
Not a surprise about the islands, they've been bitching at each other for a long time over those specks of rock.
Wake me up when someone launches something.
Did you know that China has a very active germ warfare program that possibly involves the use of influenza as a weaponized virus, one that could not be distinguished from a supposedly naturally occurring virus?
The Pentagon in fairly recent literature has worried about the use of influenza as a weaponized virus. It would "paint" with a very broad brush, creating Lebensraum EVERYWHERE.
It would be sort of the ultimate Check-Mate in this brewing Resource War, especially if our deepening Global Depression puts at risk the continued rule of the PRC Politburo/PLA.
Watch the headlines in East Asia. Our future will likely be violently decided there, but not as many expect, and sooner than they would expect.
NoBama should tell the Chinese officials that he wants a 15% revaluation of the Yuan within 6 weeks. China will scoff. NoBama should then spend all weekend working on an economic development package that will encourage the onshoring of manufacturing directly from China. Go on prime-time TV and tell the sheeple that you are bringing jobs back to Amerika, dare the other party to vote this one down!
"NoBama should tell the Chinese officials that he wants a 15% revaluation of the Yuan within 6 weeks."
Assuming he found the stones to do that, the Chinese would devalue the currency by 15%.
"assuming he found the stones". that's funny.
If China actually revalued the Yuan 15% the manufacturing jobs would not come back to the United States. They would just move from China to Bangladesh or Vietnam or anywhere else that labor is cheap.
...and next time around, the US cuts a larger amount of those countries out.
Mainichi is reporting that the charges against the four carry the death penalty. From a Xinhua report.
China is just fucking crazy...you can't get away with stupid shit like this forever.
yep, this is stupid and crazy. They are not indespensible. The CCP has substitued nationalism for Maoism and the world will pay the price.
Do they realize just how fragile the whole worldwide, containerized, just-in-time shipping infrastructure is? And that they are completely dependent upon it for all their income and half their raw materials?
The Pacific is huge, and container ships could just start "disappearing" out in the middle of nowhere... no idea why it sank or if it was an accident or an "accident".
Don't forget about this ....
A defensible retaliation to the Japanese detaining of Paris Hilton, IMO.
Paris now suck Wang in China !!!
Here is my prediction:
Several years ago I was in china negotiating a project. We spent four days and got nowhere. The fifth day, my Japanese colleagues took the Chinese executives out to dinner, karaoke and drinking afterwards and the next day we came to terms.
The Chinese and the Japanese will find a way to save face on both sides.
Nothing big will happen.
Last time, there was a similar conflict, Japan stopped exporting cars and AC units to China and China stopped exporting tatami reed. A few months later... silence.
On the lite side:
The Chinese are negotiating with Greece to run the main port of Pereaus and for negotiating leverage, they stopped exporting vaseline to the Greeks.
There you go. They are about to sign.
LOL
+1
I went to work today, and had a talk about this matter in the morning with my colleagues.
We very quickly came to the same conclusion you got to.
Is it possible that China and Japan are actually fighting over who gets to dump the most U.S. Treasuries first? They're our two biggest creditors, and the second round of quantitative easing is about to begin.
+
+1
Other than the MiddleEast the only other folks that fight more are the Asian countries.
Damn Gina oh I mean Lee, Li, Lu, Yoshi... just relax like Frankie. Share a bowl and not of rice- Bud Green will do all of you alot of good. LOL
Smoke up/Drink up and enjoy.... you only get one shot, no matter what Buddha says.
Be like Rock and be still.
Don't be like rolling stone and cause kaos. Missed me by that much.... LOL
Cheers
Oh the comedy.
First chapter:
Paris Hilton arrives back in the U.S. after being denied entry to Japan following cocaine conviction
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1314168/Paris-Hilton-denied-entry-Japan-following-cocaine-conviction.html?ito=feeds-newsxml#ixzz10Po2oFJf
Second:
China halts mineral exports to Japan
http://www.silobreaker.com/china-halts-mineral-exports-to-japan-5_2263743843931258915
Third:
Japan confirms 4 nationals detained in China
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100924/wl_nm/us_china_japan
The drama whores are out in full force. These minerals must have some value. LOL
It's not just any 'mineral' either, it's the rare earths that everyone depends on.
yah, this will upset electronics manufacturing essp hybrid cars and wind turbines (so at least nobody will notice)... anyone else know what else is likely to be effected?
Magnets (critical), batteries, catalysts (like in the cat converter of every Japanese car).
It's a big squeeze if they go through or continue with it.
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com
Without going into wartime history, there is another 'sordid' chapter that I recall from several years ago.
400 Japanese men flew down to a 5-star hotel in South China, and proceeded to run amok in the hotel; a three-day riotous orgy ensued with 500 local women.
I remember the furore well, as it happened on an anniversary of a Japanese invasion of China and did not go down well. A couple of the women who organized all the chicks got life, and I believe they were trying to pin down the main Japanese guys who organized the mayhem as well.
Well, it's not for nothing that Japan has been building one of largest and most sophisticated "defense" forces in the world, under the guise of it's patently false and thin veneer pacifist constitution. Which the US helped it write. Ha!
Total sham and readying for probably just this kind of confrontation.
To my mind, with every such incident, the fallacy of "democracy" as is commonly understood by sheeple. becomes clearer.
Power to the people? The ultimate piece of doublespeak. People do not want war.
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com
Two things:
1) The US has been urging Japan to build up the SDF during their every military foray into Asia. They have even been urging them to change their constitution to allow SDF to give them military support in the Middle East. To be sure there are nationalists who want a bigger force, but most of these people are the same ones who don't want US troops in Japan. For now, the majority are still pacifist and depend on the US for protection.
2) They run a shortfall on recruitment in the volunteer force and are chronically understaffed.
Something is going to happen somewhere, its happend over & over when things are this FUBARed war seems to be, the cure all.
Agreed. Too much in flux in too many places. Someone is gonna make a move; either lashing out 'cause they're losing too much, or to solidify gains and access to land/resources.
Hi there 2nd "round' of Yen intervention!...
And gold sells off a bit on the correlation; another opportunity!
also: ES spike incoming
BOJ was nasty on that. Did it early than even to wait for it to hit the previous level. Probably does a good job of keeping the spectators at bay, making them more gun shy as they dont know when the next wave will hit.
Looks like BOJ is at it again
Let's see if China buys it all up and slaps em in yet another arena.
Read s/where that America's RacistPowersThatBe do all they can to maintain hostility and distrust between China and Japan., as those 2 countries together are potential giants of success if their mutual distrust evaporates.
Japan and USA both suffer from a rotten, unacknowledged core of past racism:
To wit, Japan's rape of Nanking, Manchurian and other insults in China. America's promotion of Black Slavery.
Those harmful acts have not been clearly acknowledged and fully dealt with...and that continued failure will always trump and disable any full healing and forsaking...of Japan-China enmities... and of American internal degradations and stresses.
21st-century Japanese and Americans can just look around and, with your own senses, you will understand much of the failures in your respective histories. Then confront and handle what is true for you.
Bingo, spot on and hard to swallow for people of said nations.
Same can be said for most of the white race though. Omission or commission, all the same. Belgium, Netherlands, France, the UK. And look at Africa, India, China and the most modern vassal state Japan. The Phillipines, Vietnam...
Ugh!
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com
Yes, those Westerners sure are a racist bunch. I mean, why can't Western countries be open like China, Japan, Malaysia, etc., who have welcomed and incorporated into society and governing all of those Caucasian economic immigrants. Never in a million years would it happen that the US would have, for example, a state governor of Indian or Chinese ancestry, or ethnic Japanese Congressmen, or a President of African origins, or allow immigrants to start companies and get rich. No Sir, only the enlightened peoples of Asia would allow that sort of openess to the gwai lo's.
Such an endearing term, gwai lo. White devil. It was so cute when that Chinese legislator used the term in an official debate...to save time he said, as it flows so quickly off the lips.
Geez, that darn US with its Dalits and Shudras and burakumin and baekjeong...when will they ever learn!
What has variety of population has to do with racism and the specific history of the Western world?
Racism needs populations to express on it. Welcoming different populations to target them with racism.
Obama is such a good example. First, he does not come from the US black population but from one black population in Africa.
Secondly, and most importantly, having a black president is certainly not an evidence of a non racist society.
For this to be true, the elected president should enjoy the same priviledges in power than any of his predecessors. Obama is likely to be the president who has exerted the least personal power in the last six decades. He is watched and scrutinized every second.
The US is a racist society, was built upon racism and it is an illusion to believe that the US society can exist without racism.
Weak attempt at sarcasm Chindit.
The world's history stands in stark opposition to your statement.
And by the way, the Indian population currently worships an Italian woman, of dubious heritage at that, as their supreme leader.
Peru was screwed by a Japanese arsehole for decades.
And the leaders of all the countries you mention are post-colonial white-man's pawns.
I suggest you go shine up your real histroy and pour some of that sarcasm (weak) with tonights drink and stuff it.
ORI
http:/aadivaahan.wordpress.com
I believe there was some JP market selling of Yen just before the BoJ intervention. Almost as though they knew this line in the sand and/or it was coming...
The "China halting Rare Eare shipments to Japan" story is going to get a lot of play.
I sort of doubt it. That story is widely regarded as Grade A bullshit.
Wrong time of the month for China.
It's 5:58am EST... Gold is $1300.20...Do you know where your gold is?
Who would have thought that it wasn't Iran that was going to spark ww3...
@ anonnn
South Carolina has a female of Indian descent running for governor as a candidate in the Republican party.
South Carolina also has a male of African descent running for the senate on the Republican ticket.
America acknowledges it history of racism.
We are not perfect. But we are working on it.
Despite the magnitude of our achievements we are very young as nations go.
I think our hyperpower spooks you and causes you to make clearly false irrational and idiotic statements.
We are scary and beautiful, I can see where that might cause feelings of inferiority.
Wallow in your lunacy and delusion.
But if you're going to change many minds, try reality.
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