Japan Considers Extending Evacuation Radius After IAEA Finds Excessive Radiation 40 km Away From Fukushima

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Wed, 03/30/2011 - 15:57 | 1118543 TaxEstate
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Nothing to see here. Move along...

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:04 | 1118582 the mad hatter
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Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:21 | 1118667 Sudden Debt
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easier said then done.

If they expand to 50 km, that means evacuating 2 MILLION people.

140 miles = 11  MILLION PEOPLE!!!


and to be save, they should evacuate to 500 KM!!


just saying. They better do some brainstorming to solve that little problem...


Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:48 | 1118803 the mad hatter
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i would dump the entire nuclear plant into a volcano and call it a day.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:45 | 1119047 Filthy Rotter
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Pretty hard to pick up, what is essentially, a "nuclear volcano" and put that into a boring old "vanilla volcano."

Ye mad bastard...er hatter!

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:25 | 1119200 IQ 145
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 It would be much better to dump the entire UN in an active volcano. These are the wack jobs that paid for and created the phoney "science" of global warming. No numbers, no measurement methods, no nothing; "in our opinion" Fuck their opinion.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:28 | 1118975 divide_by_zero
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This is extremely bullish, think of all that new housing required and the increase in GDP!

Don't even think I need to look at the futures.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:38 | 1119016 TruthInSunshine
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People that lose everything don't boost GDP.

Now, the Japanese Government will probably print a few quadrillion Yen a month, bringing Japanese living standards back to circa-1904, in an effort to rebuild.

I honestly feel for the Japanese People.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:54 | 1119072 MsCreant
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It's so bright, ya gotta have shades...

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:01 | 1119090 thatthingcanfly
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Sudden Debt: It's "easier said THAN done."

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:10 | 1119122 MsCreant
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He is not a native speaker.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 12:24 | 1121717 cpaspareil
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Why not send them to these Chinese ghost town?

Or start a new house bubble in the state- the house are their, just need new buyers...


Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:49 | 1119064 I am more equal...
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So much for trusting in your government. 

The cumulative lies, distortions, manipulation, and waste of resources and money has to be near a tipping point.  Can people be this dull and never respond?  My word, the amount of debt piled on the enormous pile of debt to sustain the unsustainable has to reach the point of combustion.  Every nation seems to have the same problem - inept leadership.  When this fire starts, it will be large, intense and not end well for most.  Thankfully, I loaded up on graham cracker, marshmallows and chocolate.  S'mores to the very end. 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 18:28 | 1119218 IQ 145
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 Flory said the agency "had heard" there might be recriticality. Do you even read this crap? Gee, I had heard there might anti-gravity; in which case the sky may up with rocks. These people are the sworn enemies of every type of every power plant in the world; they are your enemies; and they are indulging in cheap, no-science, propaganda; as always. We need a UN like a goldfish needs a bicycle.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 02:31 | 1120501 johnQpublic
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IAEA....IKEA...whats the difference




Wed, 03/30/2011 - 15:58 | 1118548 Racer
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While I accept that radiation is a far more direct and obvious threat to life, surely the Chairsatan's constant printing and fuelling high inflation in necessities of life for the poorest is also putting lives at risk too?

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:09 | 1118603 AN0NYM0US
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While I accept that radiation is a far more direct and obvious threat to life


so are cars, but this is like a slowmo plane crash with the potential that some of the debris could land in your backyard but in the end those four wheels driving down the streets of the world will kill more people today than this Fuku thing will ever kill 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:01 | 1118550 the mad hatter
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jesus tyler, it must be a slow news day over at 1537 Paper St

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 15:59 | 1118553 AN0NYM0US
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not more greenpeace

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:13 | 1118621 Zina
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I'm imagine how it should be difficult to a conservative to be in the same side of the enviromentalists...

Or will you side with the Japanese government on this, instead of siding with the enviromentalists?

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:38 | 1118748 InconvenientCou...
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or... you could commit to continuing to collect data and resist the urge to reduce the situation to binary just yet.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 15:59 | 1118555 tallen
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Radioactive cabbage, a great addition to your 5 fruit and veg a day.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:06 | 1118556 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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We're ruled by the scum of the earth. Liars, murderers, thieves.. absolute human filth the lot of them... didn't you know?

Evil runs amuck.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:08 | 1118609 philgramm
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I hear ya man. I've been despondent about the recent events lately. Had to change the internal paradigm. Had a good night last night. Smoked some good herb, watched the matrix, listened to some pink Floyd. Woke up scared this morning realizing that this world is more of a matrix than portrayed in movie. Smoked more herb. Feel better now. I don't know about the rest of you but don't know how I'd deal without the old thc.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:16 | 1118655 sabra1
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did you ever smoke fish?

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:23 | 1118681 medicalstudent
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how evolution dovetails with the 2nd law of thermodynamics


entropy will increase...


individual order is individual survival.


collective humanity meltdown in progress.


Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:47 | 1119055 tmosley
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We have a little energy input to drive it.  The sun produces all the entropy we need to produce localized "order".

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:31 | 1118719 Bob
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It's all horrifically depressing, to be perfectly honest.  Enjoy the herb while it works . . .  oil may be next. 

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:30 | 1118984 Saxxon
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The truth frightens you?  You have a big decision to make.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:41 | 1119025 goldfish1
Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:03 | 1118564 carbonmutant
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The "Ghosts of Fukushima Past"...

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:01 | 1118567 jkruffin
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It's funny how this is not being talked about in the media anymore, it's all about Libya night and day.  Who gives a rats a$$ about Libya? Other than Obama of course.  This President has shown he is nothing but a liar through and through. He flat out ran a campaign on nothing but lies, then carries out the exact opposite of what he said to get him elected. 

Man, I can't wait to run for office in 2012.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:14 | 1118918 whstlblwr
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I like it. I'll vote for you. for President? Do you have lots money and look nice? Oh, speak great too.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:03 | 1118568 Count Laszlo
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liq·uid scin·til·la·tion

The scintillation of a solvent molecule when a radioactive solute molecule undergoes beta decay and emits an electron

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:02 | 1118576 Rayden
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(Apologies for the repost. I'd really like people to be aware of this, just in case.  I won't repost again)

I share the feeling of many here that the risk of the Fukushima Daiichi meltdown is underestimated and the likelyhood that it will spin completely out of control is significant.  I would like to try to help in any constructive way I can.

Therefore: I give you a method to prepare iodide (as a substitute to commercial potassium iodide pills) from povidone-iodine disinfectant ("Betadine" or any other iodophor) and commonly available other ingredients (vitamin C).  Potassium iodide pills are probably not available in the vast quantities that might be needed in a worst case scenario (a few billion doses?), and even if they were available would be hard to distribute, whereas this method uses commonly available ingredients that many people have at home and which are also available in hospitals and farms in very large quantities.  The method does work, the chemistry is very simple, and I've tested it.

I hope this is not necessary and Fukushima Daiichi can be contained, but I think that someone in the Japanese authorities should be aware of this just in case, and ready to use it quickly if needed.  I really don't know *who* to tell about this.  I've sent this to every Japanese government contact I could find, every major newspaper, etc.  I'm posting it here, to a group of people intensely concerned about the problem, in the hope that the more people know about it, the more likely it is to actually be applied if needed.  Pass it along.

P.S. Yes I'm aware that iodide pills only solve a small part of the problem, it doesn't help with cesium and strontium and a bunch of other nasty isotopes.  Still, much better to have iodide than not.


Preparing iodide from povidone-iodine disinfectant

1. Povidone-iodine disinfectant (Betadine tm or generic equivalent)
2. Vitamin C (ascorbic acid) pills, ideally generic 1000mg pills.
3. Baking soda (sodium bicarbonate)

1. 3000 mg ascorbic acid (Vitamin C, for example three 1000mg pills) are crushed and dissolved in 100 ml (~1/2 cup) of water, then let sit for an hour with occasional stirring.  There may be some undissolved residue from the pills.

2. 15 ml (1 tbsp) povidone-iodine disinfectant (Betadine or generic equivalent) is added to the solution of ascorbic acid and stirred.

3. The brown-purple color from the povidone-iodine should disappear almost instantly.  If it does not, more of the ascorbic acid solution is made and added slowly to the mixture until it is clear.  The mixture MUST be clear and not brown at the end of this step.

4. (optional) 1 tsp baking soda is added slowly, a few grains at a time, until adding more does not produce foam.

The resulting solution contains the iodide equivalent to 2000mg or twelve 165mg pills of potassium iodide (in this case as hydrogen iodide or, with the optional step, as sodium iodide).  It is made entirely from food-grade or pharmaceutical-grade ingredients, and is IN THEORY a substitute for potassium iodide pills.  One twelfth (9.6 ml, ~2 tsp) of the solution above (roughly equivalent to one 165mg pill of potassium iodide), measured out and taken with at a cup of milk or juice, would be IN THEORY the daly dose for an adult.

Ascorbic acid is a mild reducing agent, in step 2 it reduces the free iodine in Betadine to iodide, and is itself oxidized to dehydroascorbic acid.  This causes more of the iodine bound to povidone to be released and reduced to iodide until all the iodine is reduced.  In step 3, the disappearance of iodine color confirms the reaction is complete.  In step 4, the solution is neutralized from fairly acidic to neutral pH with baking soda.

Oxalic acid might be used instead of ascorbic acid, but is less preferable.  Electrochemical reduction might also be used.

This is not medical advice or a recommendation to do anything or to consume any chemicals/medicines, merely information on how to convert iodine to iodide by titration with a reducing agent, as may be found in many chemistry textbooks.



Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:07 | 1118590 Count Laszlo
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liq·uid scin·til·la·tion
The scintillation of a solvent molecule when a radioactive solute molecule undergoes beta decay and emits an electron.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:54 | 1118826 davidgn
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While we're on the topic of nuclear prophylaxis, anybody know if anyone is working on this sort of thing besides the government of India? Have they trialed this stuff, can anyone make it, and will they share?

"US Patent Application 20080145448 - Calcium Potassium Ferrocyanide, a Prophylactic Mixture Comprising this Compound and the Use Thereof for Decorporation of Radiocesium in Subjects Affected by Nuclear Radiation"



Wed, 03/30/2011 - 21:11 | 1119765 Rayden
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Thank you, interesting.  I favor alginate, it may prevent the absorption of Cs and Sr from food and it may (not very well though) remove them from the body.  It is completely nontoxic, which is good because you'd have to eat pounds of the stuff for it to have an effect.  You can make it fruit flavored :)  Ferrocyanide as in the patent is a bit toxic, in the required doses it probably won't kill you but might make you pretty sick esp if you have a weak liver.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:13 | 1118921 whstlblwr
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Thank you.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:50 | 1119062 MsCreant
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All the studies here are testing the level of vitamin C in something. In these the Iodide turns into Iodine, not what we want. I am not getting how this extrapolates to Betadine being turned into iodide via Viatmin C and the optional baking soda. Also, how do I know that even if it does turn Betadine into iodide, are there other harmful things in the mix we should not drink?

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 20:50 | 1119711 Rayden
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"In these the Iodide turns into Iodine" - read them more carefully, it's the other way around, ie exactly what we want.  Iodine is colored, iodide is clear, so you can *see* it is working.  Some of the titrations then back-titrate the other way for better sensitivity (with thiosulphate, etc) but that is not relevant in this case.  The reaction works as intended.

"are there other harmful things in the mix we should not drink?" - I don't know of any, but I certainly can't guarantee it.  Betadine  contains povidone (which is non-toxic even if ingested, used as an excipient in many tablets for example), iodine, iodide, and a detergent.  Dehydroascorbic acid, a byproduct of this reaction, is non-toxic, and readily converted in the body back into vitamin C.  I can't speak for what else might be in the vitamin C tablets and how it might react with iodine, that depends.  If this recipe is carried out with pure vitamin C, I would personally drink the product.  YMMV.  The question though isn't are there any harmful things - heck, iodide itself can be quite harmful - the question is are they more harmful than radioactive iodine in your thyroid :(

This is an emergency measure only, if there are official iodide tablets they would of course be preferable.  I just want there to be *some* option for people if things go very badly, and there is a sudden need for a few hundred million doses of iodide.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 23:03 | 1120109 perchprism
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I think you can just paint a small place on your belly with tincture of iodine from your medicine cabinet.

Thu, 03/31/2011 - 00:30 | 1120313 MsCreant
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Thanks for your answer. I saw you left this post on at least one other blog. I have ordered the tablets from two places (the Saturday after all this started) but alas, one order cancelled (they were sending their stuff rightfully to Japan) and the other order is still waiting to be filled. I cut and pasted this to a set of files I have for things like this. I have betadine, always, but I think I will get some fresh tomorrow.

Thanks for the post. I thought getting KI was over the top in my preps so I didn't do it (too worried about being too tin hat, I should trust my gut). Now I have none and feel stupid. I live 200 miles from plants, ON A FAULT LINE. I don't need to be worried about Japan, I should have always been self suficient on this issue. If your post is accurate, I will be fine. Thanks again.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:05 | 1118578 Guinny_Ire
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In my future I see a future grandchild asking "Grandpa, what were the Japanese?".

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:03 | 1118581 Count Laszlo
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It's gone full retard.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:06 | 1118585 jkruffin
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In case some don't know what "recriticality" is:  Massive Explosion plain and simple.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:40 | 1118704 TomJoad
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Incorrect. Even more massive contamination almost certainly. Small pockets of criticality could have been occurring in the damaged reactors all along. The recently detected "neutron beam" would be evidence of this given the likely meltdown scenario in reactors 1,2, and 3. There will likely be a large steam explosion if an uncontained fissioning critical mass should encounter a large amount of water, such as the water table. That would be (in technical terms even Trav can understand) "Bad."

A very interesting link in a post from the earlier IAEA thread:


by AlaricBalth 
on Wed, 03/30/2011 - 12:33


A similar scenario was studied a number of years ago by the Swedish Nuclear Power Inspectorate. 3 computer models were used in their analysis, and in each hypothetical model recriticality was predicted.

Severe Accident Recriticality Analyses


"Recriticality is possible during reflooding with unborated water of a partly degraded




Wed, 03/30/2011 - 16:48 | 1118796 InconvenientCou...
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remember the bit about neutron beams being detected?

I believe that's what happens when the fuel reaches criticality. Besides fission reactions, in a context of insufficient containment, I don't know of any other plausible explanation.

In other words, Nuclear Boy now has colorectal prolapse.



Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:07 | 1118882 tkoski6600
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Thank you.  That's why I love this site.  Now, I know what rectal prolapse is.

Wed, 03/30/2011 - 17:11 | 1118912 reload
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The wind has so far been pretty favourable at blowing most of the radiation out to sea and away to the north. If the weather maps are right, there will be an area of slow moving high  pressure sitting right over Northern Japan thisweekend. Winds will tend to circulate around this, so the airflow will be down the coast towardsTokyo. They do not have any time at all to get this thing under controll, and they have to be completely open about what Isotopes are spewing out because they are going to be spewed back inland. If not this weekend, then sometime soon.

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