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Japan Finds Plutonium One Mile Away From Fukushima, Doubles Radiation Leak Estimate

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In a double whammy of bad news from the mainstream media blackouted Fukushima (or perhaps the general population just doesn't care any more) today we learn that not only did The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) double its estimate of the radiation leak in the early days of the Fukushima catastrophe, something we had predicted would happen eventually courtesy of the secretive Japanese government, but that Plutonium from Fukushima has now been found in the town of Okuma, over 1 mile away from the stricken Nuclear Power Plant.

On the fallout estimate doubling:

The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency says it believes the earthquake-stricken Fukushima plant emitted nearly 800,000 terabecquerels of radioactive material into the air in the days after it was hit by a massive tsunami.

That is more than double the original estimate and is based on new information suggesting the No.1 and No.2 reactors suffered meltdowns much earlier than thought.

The revision reveals the failure to contain the disaster resulted in much more radioactive contamination of the soil, sea and air than the plant's operators had acknowledged.

And far more importantly, on the plutonium and its 87 year half life:

Plutonium that is believed to have come from the crippled Fukushima No. 1 power plant has been detected in the town of Okuma about 1.7 km away from the plant's front gate, a Kanazawa University researcher said Sunday.

It is the first time plutonium ejected by the stricken facility has been found in soil beyond its premises since the March 11 megaquake and tsunami led to a core meltdown there.

Naturally, coming from Japan there had to be a silver lining of lies with the latest mushroom cloud:

Professor Masayoshi Yamamoto of Kanazawa University said the level of plutonium detected in soil in Okuma, Fukushima Prefecture, is lower than the average level observed in Japan after nuclear tests were conducted abroad.

This was the last resort after earlier attempts to lie about the source of the material failed:

The Education, Culture, Sports, Science and Technology Ministry has found plutonium in soil on the nuke plant's grounds, but it was believed to have been fallout from bomb tests abroad.

By analyzing the ratio of three types of isotopes in the plutonium, Yamamoto was able to determine that it was emitted by Fukushima No. 1 and not past bomb tests.

The soil samples were collected by a team of researchers from Hokkaido University before April 22.

Somehow we think by the time this is all over, mutated rabbits will be the least of the demoralized Japanese population, which already is experiencing a demographic crunch.

 


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Mon, 06/06/2011 - 20:47 | Link to Comment Spalding_Smailes
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Tokyo Electric Power Co. shares fell the most on record after the head of Japan’s biggest stock exchange said the utility should follow the same route as Japan Airlines Co. in 2010 and file for bankruptcy protection.

The owner of the crippled Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear plant plunged as much as 28 percent to 206 yen, the most since at least September 1974, and was the biggest decliner on the MSCI Asia Pacific Index. The cost of protecting the debt of the utility known as Tepco traded at a record 1,150 basis points today, Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc prices show.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 20:45 | Link to Comment trav7777
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they're totally fucked...a cleanup of this scope cannot even be costed out

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 20:52 | Link to Comment Spalding_Smailes
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What's up G they be scroomed I tell ya', scroomed

 

 

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 01:46 | Link to Comment redpill
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This shit has been so fucking obvious for so long, and the entire world doesn't care anymore.  Damnit it if it doesn't make one think we're destined to just extinct ourselves through rampant apathy and stupidity.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 06:56 | Link to Comment johnnynaps
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Ironically, the minute it went to a level 7 event, it ceased to exist from the news. Even worse, the Nikkei isn't even close to its lows. Insanity is bullish! Let's drop a bomb on Cali and maybe the DOW can hit 13k and we can shake this depression! I really wish I lived 200 years ago:(

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 07:32 | Link to Comment ToNYC
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Lying is worse than dying. A diet of Truth is the essential food  for the brain to operate properly.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:29 | Link to Comment Bicycle Repairman
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Too bad they don't factor the costs of clean ups when they build these dirty bombs.  They'd never build one of them.  Of course when BK is an option, no need to factor in meltdowns.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:58 | Link to Comment HarryWanqer
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Sounds like an excellent opportunity for an entrepreneur to buy some cheap land.

Fukushima Farms.  We grow them like no where else.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 01:36 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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Fuckin A Harry....where you been?

Good to see you back.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 06:09 | Link to Comment The Profit Prophet
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Could it be???? It seems rumours of his death were somewhat exagerated. I guess we will just have to wait until he comments on the recovery....or how well dildo sales have been going...to know for sure.

T.E.I.N. everyone

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 10:22 | Link to Comment Diogenes
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That is not Harry Wanger it's Harry Wanqer. The original Wanger is long gone.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 07:46 | Link to Comment MassDecep
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Hey, don't give Israel ideas!!

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 09:13 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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Fukushima Farms.

Raise earless rabbits by the billions.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 22:01 | Link to Comment rsnoble
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Even if it could be costed in how would you do it?  They're finished.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:36 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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We're finished.

ORI

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:56 | Link to Comment Boxed Merlot
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if it could be costed in how would you do it?...

 

Thankfully we won't have to.  We can wait for the smartest men in the room to do it for us when the start offering radiation credits for sale and trade instead of the silly carbon ones they've got Gore peddling. 

 

It's all good.  Nothing a new and healthy tax won't fix. 

 

Besides, I still don't understand why every city doesn't follow Berkeley, CA's lead and just declare themselves "nuclear free".   That way the stuff just bypasses the borders and voila, we're safe!

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 08:47 | Link to Comment tonyw
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declare themselves "nuclear free", that's exactly what the French did after Chernobyl exploded, we ain't seen no radiation clouds - strange how they have some people with the same types of radiation illness.

The film "The True Battle of Chernobyl Uncensored" can be Googled and shows just how terrible these acidents can be.

 

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 01:15 | Link to Comment Fedophile
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Science, Math and a giant concrete tome. QED.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 23:02 | Link to Comment vxpatel
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Don't worry, remember it'll be GDP positive! 

 

CNBC!

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 23:47 | Link to Comment Ahmeexnal
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Relax, nothing going here, move along.

Those plutonium samples are vestiges of Fat Man.

Funny how those idiots should point to "nuclear tests abroad" and not the two detonations in their own soil.

Regardless, one has to wonder why the Iternational Criminal Court has not issued arrest warrants for TEPCO officials and Japanese politicians involved in this genocidal crime.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:12 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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Agree, north central Japan is finished.

Even if they could put a number on it, they can't physically clean it up. It apperars spent fuel is scattered all over the site and up to a mile away.  The site and suurounding area is too radioactive to get people in there for any significant cleanup. 

It's way worse than Chernobyl where a single reactor blew more or less straight up, radioactive material contained in a relatively small area.  Fukushima had 4 reactors blow in all directions, plus spent fuel pools, way more radioactive material scattered over a broader area.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:25 | Link to Comment Fukushima Sam
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I feel powerless... like a man with no arms, trying to fight back at the system...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UoGfEc2iTgE

 

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:28 | Link to Comment Dr Zaius
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The water table will be the real factor in the coming decades. How much of the contamination is water soluble? How much of the water they dumped on the fuel early on has already escaped under the site?

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 01:12 | Link to Comment Ben Dover
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The water table... or the next earthquake resulting in the next tsunami resulting in the next environmental crisis.

This video plotted the japanese debris spread from the last tsunami -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwMvsN6y9fo

While radiation probably spreads differently this might serve as notice that California beachfront property may become affordable in my lifetime.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 18:03 | Link to Comment widget
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Yes that's correct. Tsunamis are just waveforms that moves particles vertically (until they break or flood some beach). However the ocean currents will bring it to cali in a couple of years, and evaporated water will rain down a lot sooner.

I'm confused as to why this is alleged to be the furthest away that plutunium has been found since the accident. Isn't the US west coast further than a mile? http://blog.alexanderhiggins.com/2011/04/21/radioactive-fukushima-pluton...

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 06:39 | Link to Comment Stormdancer
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I'd say just about all of it.  They've been pumping highly radioactive water out of the basements of reactors five and six since early May.

 

That's over five hundred meters north of reactor 1...and there's no way for that water to travel that route over ground.  It traveled five hundred-plus meters in 7 short weeks and there's no reason to believe it limited itself to travelling northward.

They're now estimating that the amount of water to be disposed of under reactors 1-4 is running 105,000 tonnes.  The faster they pump the faster the water rises...and all available storage (including the tanks they're building) will amount to less than 50,000 tonnes capacity....and, over 20,000 of that is already full.

They're lying about all of it so I wouldn't take any of those numbers to the bank.  What you can take to the bank is that there's more radioactive water than they can possibly contain and more is being generated every day.

The sea hasn't seen all the radioactive water it's going to get.  Not by a long shot.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 06:44 | Link to Comment Stormdancer
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Tue, 06/07/2011 - 07:20 | Link to Comment writingsonthewall
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Where is the market when you need it? - surely someone out there is seeing the opportunity to be 'entrepenurial' and set up a nuclear cleaning company to meet this demand.......no? - what do you mean the market fails in these cases - but these are the most vital cases!

Thank goodness for the state - ready to bailout companies like Tepco who made a lot of profit over the years but was too shortsighted to see this potential issue.

...it's almost like the market only sees short term - not very good for dealing with something which has a half life of 80 years or so.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 07:52 | Link to Comment ArrestBobRubin
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Who's THEY? Just because all Fuk U news has been blacked out hardly means that you and I aren't totally fuk-ed as well.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 20:43 | Link to Comment Cdad
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Remember Fukushima?

So much for Doug Kass and his call to buy Japan...which he referred to as a generational "buying opportunity."  Any day now, he is going to release his revised thoughts on this matter...right along with his revised thoughts on buying shares of GM.

Holding my breath...

 

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 07:59 | Link to Comment ArrestBobRubin
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Is that Doug "AU $800" Kass? Or Doug Ass?

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 20:44 | Link to Comment trav7777
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the levels are infinitesimal...bitchez

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 20:46 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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Ann Coulter must love hearing you whipser sweet nothings in her ear at night...as she rubs infintesimal plutonium lotion on you both to make you stronger.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 20:53 | Link to Comment trav7777
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you can call me all the epithets you want and it won't make my statement any less factual, bitch

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:02 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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I often find myself in agreement with you, but any exposure carries some risk. This is not harmless. This is also not over. Not by a longshot.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:08 | Link to Comment trav7777
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look; you're exposed to radiation constantly.  It's coming from that big burning nuclear fireball in the sky, from your granite countertops, from bananas, from lots of places.

Pu is particularly nasty in the lungs, sure.  The amounts in the topsoil here are minute, though.  It's a GREAT headline for chicken littles who think ANY radiation is harmful.

Well, then you need to move underground.  Oh wait, that's radioactive too.  So is altitude.  There are people living fine in places with 100x normal background.  Radiation in large quantities MAY be harmful.  There simply isn't much in the way of data on it, nor on REAL Pu toxicity.

I referenced what data there was when Mosely-claven started bleating about how a nanogram would kill the whole world and shit.  We've already been over this.

You guys are too desperate for everything to be "TSHTF," jfc, this is confirmation bias writ large.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 03:22 | Link to Comment Reptil
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Oh man, you're on this "harmless radiation" trip still?

It's cumulative. All radiation is harmful. More radiation is increasingly harmful. If animals, and people live on contaminated soil, they will die off slowly. The japanese don't have the luxury of the russians to just close off a part of their country and throw in a hundred thousand troops to clean up the mess. Their country will take a serious setback, because they will not be able to recover contaminated land. That is not yet "priced in", because everyone is still in "pretend" mode (incl. schools). Because they're not taking serious action (dig a trench to prevent further ground water contamination) right now, they're going to have much more problems in the near and far future. With the prospect of the reactors remaining unstable, the chance this crisis will get worse is very large. (This is "typhoon ally" after all.)

Sayonara Fukushima :'-\

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-11023530

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 06:41 | Link to Comment Stormdancer
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Tue, 06/07/2011 - 18:11 | Link to Comment widget
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The million people who died after the "harmless" chernobyl accident begs to disagree http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/apr2010/2010-04-26-01.html. You need to go by the actual health effects witnessed, not the fictional models provided to you by the nuclear industry.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:21 | Link to Comment majia
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Let us look at the facts trav(esty)7777

Plutonium: the gift that keeps on giving, even if presented in miniscule amounts:

"If plutonium were to enter your lungs today, much of the plutonium would still be in your body 30-50 years later”

“The isotope 239Pu was first used in fission weapons beginning in 1945 and is produced during the bombardment of uranium (235U) by neutrons in nuclear reactors. Approximately one-third of the total energy produced in a typical commercial nuclear power plant comes from the fission of 239Pu produced from 235U”… Approximately 1,855 metric tons of plutonium was estimated to exist worldwide at the end of 2003; most of which was found in spent fuel from nuclear power plants.

Atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons, which ended in 1980, is the source of most of the plutonium in the environment worldwide, which released approximately 10,000 kilograms of plutonium. Trace amounts of plutonium (including 238Pu, 239Pu, 240Pu, and 241Pu) are found worldwide, mostly due to fallout from atmospheric nuclear testing…

Plutonium released to the atmosphere reaches the earth's surface through wet and dry deposition to the soil and surface water. Once in these media, soluble plutonium can sorb to soil and sediment particles or bioaccumulate in terrestrial and aquatic food chains….

…Most of the body burden of plutonium resides in the skeleton and liver, and following inhalation exposures, in the lung and lung-associated lymph nodes. As a result, these tissues receive relatively high radiation doses following exposures to plutonium. Radiation-induced toxicity to these tissues has been documented in human epidemiological studies and in animal models…

Possible associations between exposure to plutonium and mortality have been examined in studies of workers... The Mayak studies provide relatively strong evidence for an association between cancer mortality (bone, liver, lung) and exposure to plutonium….

Read More About the Fun Effects at http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/ToxProfiles/tp143.pdf

 

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:08 | Link to Comment trav7777
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IF my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle and more of a man than you.

We already have Pu in our lungs from atmospheric testing and occasional burnup of satellites with radioisotope generators.

You're not telling me anything I haven't already known for a long time about Plutonium.  Sheesh

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 08:39 | Link to Comment Ruffcut
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Fuck you travtroll. YOu got pluto in what's left of your brain.

Go to fuku and fix this shit. You don't know shit about this matter.

I can't wait for assholes like you to die. It's the main thing I look forward to.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 12:12 | Link to Comment majia
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I'm a woman and don't need balls because i have something better...

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:22 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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I am not trying to start shit with this question, I really want to know what you think. Do you honestly believe that doubling the estimate gets us closer to the truth of what has really happened? I don't. I think doubling it is no where near the truth in terms of magnitude AND I think the global environment can withstand more than we realize and heal from it. Japan is screwed. Other nearby areas "ditto."

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 23:38 | Link to Comment seek
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I think we're still quite a ways away from the truth. The hysteria about radiation outside of Japan is seriously overblown -- I've run my own monitor since the day after the event, and it's barely detectable here, but certainly a large chunk of Japanese real estate is perma-fucked.

What troubles me far more is the degree that they lied. I'm a huge cynic, and a bit of a conspiracy theorist, and didn't buy into the happy-happy-joy-joy after the event, and thought my understanding was fairly well grounded in reality, but it was far from it. The true reality is there were three simultaneous full-scale meltdowns, and both the Japanese government and US government knew this within a few hours after the earthquake, and presented the situation as almost benign. I think at this point it's safe to assume thing are at least 10-20 times worse than is presented, and keep assuming this until you're proved wrong.

I knew they couldn't be trusted, but we're at a whole new level now, folks. Between overt market manipulations and meltdowns, they've made it clear there's no limit to how far they'll take their deceit and nothing they'll stop at the achieve their goals. It's said that the first victim of war is truth, and looking around and seeing myself surrounded by hundreds of dead truths, I must conclude we're at war, and per Pogo, the enemy (to them) is us.

 

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:14 | Link to Comment trav7777
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Oh christ, you are pissed off at "lies" that you didn't believe?

Are you a bitch or something?

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 22:48 | Link to Comment hardcleareye
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"the levels are infinitesimal".....

Trav, the word  infinitesimal is a "relative term"... ie the distance from the moon to the earth is infinitesimal compared to the distance from the earth to the next solar system.....

Your statement is NOT a "factual statement", (claims that can be verified as true or false).

Sloppy, sloppy.... you can do better than that.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 23:29 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Not without abandoning his pride and arrogance.

That will never happen.  He is too small a man.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:16 | Link to Comment trav7777
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keep dancing bitch.

Or else keep making ridiculous predictions and falling flat on your face.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:23 | Link to Comment tmosley
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So small.  It would be sad if you weren't a psychopath.  As it is, you are just disgusting.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:32 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Also funny that the guy who thought they could fix Fukushima in ten minutes by DRILLING A HOLE IN THE FUCKING REACTOR and pumping in some borax is bitching about how other people, who have been pretty much totally correct in every prediction they have made, are "falling on their face".

Also funny that you own silver, even as you tell others that it is such a horrible investment, and how you knew before hand that it would crash, and that the unprecedented margin hikes were perfectly predictable, yet didn't sell.

You are a fool of the highest caliber, Trav.  Even without mentioning your jerk off fantasies of mass sterilization.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:38 | Link to Comment trav7777
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I didn't say that would fix it, you dipshit, I said that would SCRAM it.

You don't even understand enough about how these things WORK to even participate in a discussion.

So you just keep saying stupid shit and dancing.  You motherfuckin jester.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:16 | Link to Comment trav7777
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ok, how about this, your IQ is infinitesimal to think you could go ignoratio elenchi on me and have it not get pointed out to you.

The context of my statement was clear and so was the fucking data.  Eat it

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:26 | Link to Comment tmosley
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Better sterilize him, then.

Funny how in all your ravings about how we should sterilize those with low IQs, you never thought about the demographic nightmare you would produce.  I guess that means your IQ isn't quite as high as you seem to estimate.

Such a small man.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:39 | Link to Comment trav7777
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what demographic nightmare?

We'd have disproportionately more caucasians and east asians...good schools around the country seem to have them in abundance.  They seem to be associated with cohesive societies, low crime, high achievement, innovation, etc.

So the nightmare is where, exactly?

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 20:51 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 I'm BURNT!

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 03:19 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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<points to headline><shudders>

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:02 | Link to Comment That Peak Oil Guy
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Don't discount future emissions just yet.  ;-)

TPOG

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 20:45 | Link to Comment I think I need ...
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does anyone have any idea when gold revaluation is??????

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 20:47 | Link to Comment mynhair
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Yes.  Just after you sell.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:14 | Link to Comment equity_momo
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.....to the nice man from the government at his insistance.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:17 | Link to Comment knukles
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All clearly outlined in the Book of Revaluations.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 22:48 | Link to Comment Temporalist
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So PMs carried me away in the spirit in the wilderness; And I saw The Bernank, sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

And The Bernank was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with FRNs and Bonds and Derivatives, having a beggars cup in its hand full of abominations, and filthiness of its fornications:

And upon The Bernanks forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

And I saw The Bernank drunken with the blood of saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of sound money: And when I saw The Bernank, I wondered with great admiration.

Book of Revaluation 17:3-6

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 23:14 | Link to Comment traderjoe
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Nicely done.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 01:13 | Link to Comment Oh regional Indian
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Haaaaha. Well done temporalist.

ORI

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 01:33 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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+S&P666

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 02:04 | Link to Comment RichardP
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If John had had  an iPad, would he have written the Book of Revaluations?

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 04:12 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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John the Temporalist?

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 04:54 | Link to Comment old naughty
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+1  (I am in).

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 06:06 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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And I saw The Bernank, sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

Nicely done, but FTR John is speaking of the catholic church, the "great false church" rising up after Christ, applying his nane to an ancient pagan religion, weaving Christ into its ancient pagan rituals like christmas (rebirth of the sun festival on the winter solstice) and easter (fertility festival on the spring equinox), and beliefs like "going to heaven" merely by "accepting christ" (ancient "nirvana" belief), resulting in "christianity" we see today, ergo explaining why all "christians" are lost.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 06:13 | Link to Comment Clay Hill
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+1

The Harlot is organised (false) Religion, the Beast she rides is the Political system, which will turn against, and devour her.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 09:08 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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thanks for the explanation, geezer.   this fits in nicely with the whole John on magic mushrooms myth.     makes sense actually.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 12:52 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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not to mention that the other two 'Abrahamics' are just as loopy

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:42 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 It's about time you step up!

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 03:25 | Link to Comment Reptil
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lol coffee up the nose

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 20:50 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 Knowing TEPCO plutonium will be the next (WARP DRIVE)

  Accidents happen! I appoligise for the mis- spelll

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 20:51 | Link to Comment Solid
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I heard on the radio that they have admitted to melt-downs on the four reactors.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 20:54 | Link to Comment mynhair
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On the 'bright' side, night time Keyhole pics of Nippon will never look like NOK.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:19 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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Umai Futoi Oki, U2 can see through the Keyhole, there is much more affect than first declared. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7536hqkeheI

Huston, we have ''horse hoof hotties''.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 11:27 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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What in the HELL did I just see???

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 20:56 | Link to Comment SYantiss
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Are you suggesting that plutonium mi-grates?

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:40 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
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 R- you?  Share some Requime?

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 02:33 | Link to Comment SYantiss
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Domus eques dominae...

What's the wingspan on a north Japanese swallow? Wait a month... Might be bigger...

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:00 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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I keep flashing back to the idiot on Blog TV http://www.blogtv.com/livenow/My_Interests/Japan/ right after the quake hit a few hours later (or was it a day?) He works in Tokyo for NHK (can't imagine if he still goes on the site) and is an American from NYC. The guy was so delusional, just like the dumbshits that I met that work for the national news in D.C. (and some from  NYC). If they are young and dumb enough, like this poor kid, they will not only feed you the bullshit (for money) they will actually accept (being punk'd out whores) the script. Most of that is the ''partyline'' delusion (majority Dummy Craps)

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:04 | Link to Comment Atomizer
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Just proves that hiding secrets will ultimately backfire on storytelling con artists. Sort of like hiding the insolvency of many well known US banking institutions. Each day the pot boils, no one quite knows how the break the news.

 

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:11 | Link to Comment djsmps
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We aporogize for this ommission in our repote.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:07 | Link to Comment bud-wiser
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Does anyone believe the measurements from www.radiationnetwork.com?

Does it really make sense that radiation readings out of Phoenix are actually higher than those in Fukushima?

Come on. Nobody believes that site anymore, right?

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 22:31 | Link to Comment hardcleareye
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I looked into this site a while back.  I noticed the same thing and did some more research.  Anyone can "plug in" their Monitor by buying the software.  There is no "calibration" or standard of were the monitor is to be located.

"Tin foil hat time",,,,Say I was a TEPCO employee who wanted to help keep the panic level down, I could contribute by putting my monitor in a shielded environment and transmitting the data to the web.......  or if I was an I&E Tech, no shortage of those skills in power plants,  I could modify the instrument to make it read what I wanted....

It really is hard to draw any "firm" conclusion from that site, but I think the US locations are good faith efforts.  The trends of the readings are interesting to watch, (that really is all the site is good for because instrument readings are not standardized or calibrated) The readings vary in the US, as you would expect them to given weather, winds etc, unlike the ones in Japan, which appear to read constant steady readings. 

Last I checked, only two sites in Japan...

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 23:49 | Link to Comment seek
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I would agree with the US take. I run my own station, but don't report in to any of the aggregation sites, and my numbers have agreed fairly closely with the AZ sites that do report, and with the EPA RadNet results. The only "wierd" thing I've seen so far is one day (5/14) when my monitor was showing a fair bit of activity, the EPA Radnet results for Phoenix area (where I am) flatlined and were obviously offline.

So that's a tad suspicious. Interestingly, though, the wave of radiation I picked up from 4/14-4/20 was also shown on EPA Radnet, though the overall peak strength was much lower than on 5/14 (the 5/14 event was a short few-hour, intense burst rather than a long, slow build the way the 4/20 event was.)

As far as calibration goes, the instruments are all geiger counters, and for a given tube size the calibration (such as it is, geiger's can differentiate source energies) is pretty standard. Now siting, indoors and out, exposure, etc, is all up in the air.

 

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 01:00 | Link to Comment Let em push you...
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I live in the same area, would you share your email with me since you have a geiger?

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 01:04 | Link to Comment Let em push you...
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Also ment to ask if you saw any higher readings about 8 days after the quake when we were lucky enough to get rain and the weather showed the jet stream floating directly here...all I know is there were some different looking clouds.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 03:44 | Link to Comment majia
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We've had many, may days over 100 beta. The highest I saw reported on radnet for beta was 170. I know that levels were higher because raw milk was found to measure 50 picocuries per litre. Levels have been down recently below 100 except for that smaller peak mentioned in May

 

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 13:37 | Link to Comment seek
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Rain actually lowers the counts -- in the data I posted below you might see a couple days with lower backrounds around the times of rain. However, I did collect rainwater and found it generated about 2X the counts of background, but I don't have a good control sample to compare it against (I think it's somewhat normal for rain to be slightly more radioactive from carbon-14 in the atmosphere.)

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 00:57 | Link to Comment Let em push you...
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Thanks for the information, yeah my concern with the rain was perhaps that it might make things settle onto...well everything.  Did my post asking if you can email me get deleted? It would be nice to know an honest guy with a geiger counter.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 01:28 | Link to Comment majia
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Seek

I live near Phoenix and have been watching radnet data almost daily since late March, although I've noted radnet goes offline when a high radiation cloud comes in from southern California. First LA, then Anaheim, Bakersfield, Yuma, etc are "under review" then Phoenix. (actually Yuma is usually NOT available at all)

Is there anyway you could share your data? I don't trust the radnet, although I do think it reveals general trends, which your data support.

I would love to see local data, particularly if building #4 collapses, 3 goes up in a big boom, or some other such event occurs...

In March I practically force-fed my kids seaweed, kept them indoors, etc and everyone thought I was crazy but now after hearing Gunderson's account of the radiation levels in Seattle in April I feel I didn't do enough to protect my kids...

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 02:56 | Link to Comment Ratscam
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alpha, beta and gamma measures in northern Switzerland, measured with a Gamma Scout Recharcheable unit show normal readings of 0.15 to 0.35 mikro sieverts per hour

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 13:34 | Link to Comment seek
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SInce I've had a couple requests and this is now off the front page, hopefully no one will mind a longer post with the data.

With the exception of the holes in the RadNet data, I think it's better because their equipment is better, they're running volume air sampling and doing gamma energy profiles. All I am doing is random ir sampling by having a detector hanging out in the breeze, so to speak.

A (very) brief explanation. First of all, we've never had anything that raised the background level more than a few percent. The first number after the date is the daily dose in microsieverts, the remaining numbers are a statistcal analysis of the data set, which is comprised of total counts over one-minute intervals. Lots of analysis math results in the 1-in-xxx odds of seeing the data by random chance based on the sample set for the day. This is basically a measure of how unusual the data is from background. Lines that end in a "*" show statistically significant detections events (p=0.05 or 1-in-20 odds.)

This is measured using a Black Cat Systems GM-10 counter and logging software.

Date        Dose    Max     Max     STD       1/probability
            uSv     uSv/h   STD     DEV       (1-in-x odds)
03/15/2011  3.62    0.27    3.29    0.035         1 
03/16/2011  3.70    0.27    3.22    0.035         0 
03/17/2011  3.70    0.28    3.54    0.034         0 
03/18/2011  3.71    0.31    4.35    0.035        70 *
03/19/2011  3.67    0.33    5.19    0.035     23652 *
03/20/2011  3.75    0.26    2.97    0.034         0 
03/21/2011  3.67    0.29    3.93    0.035         3 
03/22/2011  3.61    0.27    3.36    0.035         0 
03/23/2011  3.62    0.26    3.15    0.034         0 
03/24/2011  3.65    0.28    3.79    0.035        42 *
03/25/2011  3.67    0.27    3.27    0.035         0 
03/26/2011  3.66    0.30    4.38    0.034        71 *
03/27/2011  3.65    0.28    3.57    0.034         0 
03/28/2011  3.68    0.28    3.42    0.036         0 
03/29/2011  3.64    0.27    3.39    0.034         0 
03/30/2011  3.62    0.28    3.60    0.035         1 
03/31/2011  3.62    0.28    3.88    0.034        21 *
04/01/2011  3.67    0.29    3.96    0.035         9 
04/02/2011  3.73    0.28    3.71    0.035         1 
04/03/2011  3.63    0.27    3.38    0.034         0 
04/04/2011  3.59    0.28    4.03    0.033        17 
04/05/2011  3.67    0.28    3.60    0.036         2 
04/06/2011  3.71    0.28    3.41    0.035         0 
04/07/2011  3.63    0.26    3.10    0.034         0 
04/08/2011  3.64    0.27    3.31    0.035         0 
04/09/2011  3.55    0.31    4.65    0.034       147 *
04/10/2011  3.56    0.29    4.28    0.034        20 
04/11/2011  3.58    0.28    3.63    0.035         1 
04/12/2011  3.66    0.28    3.60    0.034         1 
04/13/2011  3.64    0.55    9.46    0.042     -----   ** This is bad data, my cat disconnected the counter lol.
04/14/2011  3.64    0.28    3.62    0.034         1 
04/15/2011  3.62    0.26    3.05    0.035         0 
04/16/2011  3.69    0.33    4.74    0.036       677 *
04/17/2011  3.70    0.31    4.37    0.035       206 *
04/18/2011  3.67    0.27    3.22    0.035         0 
04/19/2011  3.60    0.30    4.41    0.034       105 *
04/20/2011  3.68    0.32    4.61    0.035      4270 *
04/21/2011  3.65    0.28    3.66    0.034         9 
04/22/2011  3.66    0.29    3.97    0.035        63 *
04/23/2011  3.67    0.28    3.77    0.035         3 
04/24/2011  3.63    0.28    3.52    0.035         5 
04/25/2011  3.64    0.28    3.56    0.035         0 
04/26/2011  3.66    0.29    3.90    0.036        28 *
04/27/2011  3.54    0.27    3.53    0.034         0 
04/28/2011  3.65    0.28    3.76    0.035         5 
04/29/2011  3.70    0.28    3.73    0.035         4 
04/30/2011  3.61    0.28    3.62    0.034         1 
05/01/2011  3.60    0.28    3.81    0.035         4 
05/02/2011  3.55    0.25    3.01    0.034         0 
05/03/2011  3.57    0.27    3.44    0.034         0 
05/04/2011  3.64    0.29    4.00    0.035        34 *
05/05/2011  3.71    0.28    3.63    0.035         1 
05/06/2011  3.68    0.31    4.56    0.034       109 *
05/07/2011  3.73    0.30    3.98    0.036         5 
05/08/2011  3.91    0.24    2.24    0.035         0 
05/09/2011  3.63    0.28    3.58    0.035         1 
05/10/2011  3.67    0.29    3.97    0.035        10 
05/11/2011  3.71    0.26    3.00    0.035         0 
05/12/2011  3.71    0.28    3.63    0.035         1 
05/13/2011  3.66    0.30    4.15    0.036        15 
05/14/2011  3.69    0.33    5.30    0.034     27599 *
05/15/2011  3.69    0.28    3.49    0.035         1 
05/16/2011  3.66    0.28    3.85    0.034         6 
05/17/2011  3.67    0.28    3.52    0.035         1 
05/18/2011  3.59    0.28    3.66    0.034        10 
05/19/2011  3.59    0.27    3.37    0.035         0 
05/20/2011  3.57    0.30    4.49    0.034        18 
05/21/2011  3.71    0.28    3.58    0.034         1 
05/22/2011  3.70    0.29    3.90    0.035         2 
05/23/2011  3.67    0.27    3.23    0.035         0 
05/24/2011  3.64    0.28    3.53    0.035         1 
05/25/2011  3.62    0.28    3.59    0.035         1 
05/26/2011  3.64    0.28    3.68    0.034         1 
05/27/2011  3.68    0.27    3.27    0.035         0 
05/28/2011  3.67    0.28    3.42    0.036         0 
05/29/2011  3.61    0.29    3.98    0.035         5 
05/30/2011  3.60    0.28    3.90    0.034        63 *
05/31/2011  3.66    0.29    3.96    0.035         9 
06/01/2011  3.66    0.28    3.81    0.034         1 
06/02/2011  3.67    0.28    3.76    0.035         5 
06/03/2011  3.69    0.28    3.78    0.034         6 
06/04/2011  3.64    0.28    3.76    0.035         2 
06/05/2011  3.66    0.28    3.73    0.035         4 
06/06/2011  3.63    0.28    3.70    0.036         1 

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 16:10 | Link to Comment majia
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Thank you for posting. What is strange about your data is that the numbers remain near their highs in June? Curious...

If those are nomral background levels, then how is it that our milk became so contaminated with 50 picocuries per liter in raw milk?

any ideas?

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 18:47 | Link to Comment seek
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Fallout gets concentrated by all the things that lead to milk -- it settles on the forage the cows eat, the cows concentrate it and it gets passed on into the milk. It's as if you took all the radioactive particles in a large volume of air and filtered them out -- what you'd have in the filter would be far more radioactive than the dilute version in the air.

Note that not all of the radioactive material release gets concentrated; some things line Xenon gas don't really mix or just absorbed by anything, while others, like iodine and strontium, are rapidly absorbed by living things.

 

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 06:29 | Link to Comment Felix-be
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Thank you for all your great updates here, and on your blog Majia!

 

I quote you almost on a daily basis on http://lunaticoutpost.com/Topic-Nuclear-Power-plant-Onagawa-on-fire-Fuku...

There is an extensive (but certainly not complete) link post on page 1310**.

I tried to reach you on your blog, but unsuccesfully (I am a certified computer nitwit). If you want, you can contact me on pietebe@gmail.com (which is not my real name), or else just access the (HUGE) Lunaticoutpost thread.

 

Best regards,

 

Felix-be

 

PS : ** I mentioned on my link post that imo Rense’s site is “Suspect”. That is just a personal appreciation. I don’t know the guy and he could be honest (if I would think he was dishonest I wouldn't have used the “”)

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:13 | Link to Comment Concentrated po...
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I usually pile on with snarky comments or try to say something funny while my country burns around us.   And I'm sure I'll continue to do so.

However, I must say it's truly sad what is happening in Japan.  I know they have screwed up with all of the cover ups and whatever, but it's terrifying to think what it would feel like trying to raise kids over there right now...

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:12 | Link to Comment Robslob
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There goes my West Coast vacation this August...but on the bright side I have always wanted to take photos of Godzilla...always knew Godzilla was the real thing and Bigfoot was BS!

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:16 | Link to Comment knukles
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Try 5,000 miles and 10 generations.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:26 | Link to Comment augie
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Sad but +1

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 04:02 | Link to Comment Reptil
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+1

What they should've done is evacuate everyone from that area inmediately. Then have the japanese people migrate to other countries like South America. (creative thinking based on logical conclusions) Then put EVERYTHING they got on preventing further contamination and cleaning up the mess. At some point human beings WILL figure out to clean up radioactive contamination. It's insane to put a population in harms' way, not a functional descision at all.

Of course that would've produced an instant economic meltdown. This shows how vulnerable the whole "global market construct" really is in the face of real challenges. MUCH more vulnerable than the preceding system of autarkic nation states. Instead of making use of this construct, by moving people and economies around like chess pieces (like ancient tribes of human beings and animals migrated, to find greener pastures), the banks perpetuate the myth of the nation state, to keep the people from realising their role in this construct. This with the purpose of retaining the upper hand, even in a face of a breakdown of the structural bonds that hold one part of it together. Like proud captains of a ghost ship.

Keeping the japanese people in the dark about what awaits them is going to result in a simular economic meltdown, but streched out over a longer period of time. Thus the inflexibillity of controlling forces (Government, banks, multinational industry) right now, and their unwillingness to regard a highly educated, healthy population as an important asset, will result in far greater damage later to the whole of humanity.

We need new leadership. We need an economic structure that allows incompetent leaders to be replaced. We need a revolution. As a species, we don't need to be like a dying animal, with parasites incapacitating the brain function of the host.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGSUU3E9ZoM

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 09:06 | Link to Comment tip e. canoe
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debt = snail slime?

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 06:24 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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... extending exclusion zone around Fukushima plant

It's all of northern Japan ...whether they admit it or not.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:19 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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So if a couple of months ago it was rated a maximum seven on the international nuclear accident scale (the same level as the Chernobyl meltdown 25 years ago), would not doubling the radiation estimates mean they need to re-assess this and "seven" on the scale being the maximum?

Thanks for this Tyler, it really ticks me off that we don't hear more from the MSM here in the states, you and George are my best source of updates and links.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 22:10 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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it's not really a rating on how bad it is, it is a rating on how much effort to control the damage..  once you get to 7 it means you can't do dick to stop it.  Not doing dick a hundred times is still not doing dick so the scale stops at 7

 

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 22:53 | Link to Comment HK
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Some engineers are encouraging IAEA to create a level 8 just for Fukushima, but you could make it 8 squared and most of the general public would have trouble with the Captcha.  The other problem with an 8 is that most scales go 1-10, like dancing with the stars, so an 8 doesn't sound that bad.  If instead, they would use descriptive titles like "we're fukked beyond belief", then the average american could understand that.  Of course, we wouldn't want that, now would we?  Energy news is a good site and some of the commentary reminds me of ZH, intelligent and witty.

http://enenews.com/nuclear-engineers-urging-iaea-to-create-level-8-on-in...

 

 

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 03:34 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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Some engineers are encouraging IAEA to create a level 8 just for Fukushima,

 

Made my day. Totally unconnected to reality.

The situation in Fukushima might require indeed a new level 8 to better represent what is going on.

But the Fukushima situation is kept under the radar in order to prevent damage to the world economy.

The vegetables crisis in Europe was met by Russia, Ukraine frontier closure to Europe vegetables imports.

Japan is an export economy by many sides, is stalling in terms of economic growth and a nuclear disaster requesting a new level to be accurately reported raises undubiously the question of importing from Japan. And this not punctually as for the vegetables crisis but years.

No cant do. Especially when one considers the size of Japan economy vs world economy. Losing a big player here.

These guys would have a better chance downplaying this disaster than trying to stay scientific and try to get the more accurate representation of it possible. 

Totally counterproductive when it comes to the general direction given to reports about Fukushima: keep it a low profile as to lessen the impact of this disaster on the world economy that can not afford it at the moment (so economists have decided)

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:20 | Link to Comment Cruzan Stomp Revival
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I'd encourage everyone to watch the excellent documentary, "The Battle of Chernobyl":

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-battle-of-chernobyl/

Watching Soviet soldiers shovel hyper-radioactive waste (enough to make a camera get "spots" during filming) off the destroyed reactor with improvised lead body armor will always stick in my mind. Each man was allowed only a couple of minutes to work; another crew would take their place instantly. And on it went, two shovel-fulls at a time.

Dozens of the USSR's finest helicopter pilots were pulled from Afghanistan and sent on missions to drop water directly over the meltdown. They were dead in weeks.

The USSR did what Japan cannot, that is, conscript tens of thousands of people and force them to work in suicidal conditions. I fear that the Japanese situation is much, much worse and that it will require a larger sacrifice.

Can a free society ask tens of thousands of citizens to either commit suicide or shorten their lives radically? I pray that we won't have to find out, but I bet that we do.

God help Japan.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:26 | Link to Comment Concentrated po...
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well written, I'm heartbroken.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:27 | Link to Comment Cdad
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Someone else posted that documentary link months ago, and I watched it.  Chilling.  Well worth the time, all Fukushima things considered.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:57 | Link to Comment SirIssacNewton
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The great tragedy has already happened and the sooner we face up to this reality....the sooner real solutions can be achieved.  The challenge in this situation is that it is not if people are going to die, but rather how many...... 10,000 now or millions later.  There is no room for anyone to hestitate because everyday our environment, our air and our planet are under assault for this nuclear event.  Everyday people are being exposed and are losing their life span.... to think otherwise is to ignore the facts and information gained from Chernoybl.  The Japanese Government has and will continue to lie to everyone to save face and they will do analysis paralysis.  People are going to die..... people are already dying.... it's just a silent death that will never be linked to this event until 20 years from now.  If the Japanese Government was honest and asked for 10,000 citizens to step up and save their nation and the world...... I think the Japanese people would.  This catastrophe is a war and it must be fought hard now, not later...and before its too late and it causes too much irreparable damage.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:07 | Link to Comment IndianDancer
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There is no doubt that the increased radiation will shorten the lifespan of millions, the millions that are genetically weaker. The incident will help the Japanese in particular evolve genetically (most of them want to be taller, have larger eyes and sharper noses anyway!). It will also help the Japanese to re-assess their government, their nuclear policy and technology.  If you look at this from an individual point of view, it may be a catastrophe. From a larger perspective, it's just another step forward in the human evolution.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 01:36 | Link to Comment Ben Dover
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You liked the X-Men movies, didn't you?

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 09:23 | Link to Comment mayhem_korner
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it's just another step forward in the human evolution.

What were the last couple steps, Dr. Galapagos?  Take your time...

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:18 | Link to Comment trav7777
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cut the insane hyperbole

millions later?  HOW?

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 16:41 | Link to Comment SirIssacNewton
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The April 2006 IPPNW report

According to an April 2006 report by the German affiliate of the International Physicians for Prevention of Nuclear Warfare (IPPNW), entitled "Health Effects of Chernobyl", more than 10,000 people are today affected by thyroid cancer and 50,000 cases are expected. The report projected tens of thousands dead among the liquidators. In Europe, it alleges that 10,000 deformities have been observed in newborns because of Chernobyl's radioactive discharge, with 5000 deaths among newborn children. They also claimed that several hundreds of thousands of the people who worked on the site after the accident are now sick because of radiation, and tens of thousands are dead.

Fukushima is magitudes larger than Chernoybl and, months later, is still spewing radioactive materials into the atmosphere.....and the Japanese government is no where near even starting any containment.  There is NOTHING INSANE in stating the real issues we are facing, but I understnad you just want to leave crappy comments.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 22:46 | Link to Comment Matte_Black
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Can a free society ask tens of thousands of citizens to either commit suicide or...

 

Excellent question. Clearly, the answer is no. Given this is true, then what? Well, we have the oldsters who have volunteered for suicide duty at Fukushima. Pretty sad, and failing.

 

One wonders what this says about modern society, our liberal governments, our mores. How have we failed so? Katrina, the GOM, Fukushima, ongoing flooding in MO, and on and on. Oh I know ZH has no shortage of opinions on the matter, but really one must admit that govs of every form and stripe are failing huge. I suppose that centralized command and control is failing everywhere and all at once.

 

This is like watching a house burn to the ground while its owners fiddle with lawn ornaments in the back yard.

 

 

 

 

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 23:22 | Link to Comment SirIssacNewton
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I agree with you.... a free society can't force its citizens to march into breach by gun point and still have the foundation of freedom.  However, an honest government dealing with its citizens with facts and the truth could ask people to step forward to volunteer.  And, yes, I think people would do it to save their nation.  Its no different than a volunteer soilder placing their life in danger on the battlefield....in this case, the war and the battle is a runaway nuclear event.  Maybe I am just wishing for the best of humankind.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 23:43 | Link to Comment Matte_Black
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And you, sir are a prince. I salute you. lol...

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:37 | Link to Comment Goldenhands57
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So...some background on this topic because this needs to be told as it happend then. NO doubt that Japan has been delt a terrible mess. I'm not advertising this link for any other reason than perhaps the daughter one directly involved in Chernobyl might offer an insight. I'm tellin ya this site really disturbs my sense of what we are going to deal with. I also wish to let everyone know I live in Western Washington State. Anyway..copy/paste her name then take a ride with Elena on her bike and see her photos for yourself. This is some seriously tragic shit!

  Elena Filatova

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:28 | Link to Comment fredquimby
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Great blog about her chernobyl rides.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 22:35 | Link to Comment Fukushima Sam
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If they had it in them they would have started it already.

Fri, 06/24/2011 - 16:43 | Link to Comment SirIssacNewton
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You're right and we, the world, are worse for it.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:25 | Link to Comment oogs66
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its stories like this that make me remember why zh is awesome!  with one click i can find out all the stuff everyone else is avoiding publishing on, and some well thought out interesting articles that others are publishing on, just not as well.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:31 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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Want more?

Here's News That Was Sanitized Out of US MSM:

 

Bahrain medical staff 'tortured for confessions'

Doctors and nurses put on trial in Bahrain yesterday told relatives they were beaten with hoses and wooden boards embedded with nails and made to eat faeces. They also had to stand without moving for hours, or even days, and were deprived of sleep in order to force them to sign false confessions.

The Bahraini authorities have put on trial 47 doctors and nurses before a security tribunal, accusing them of trying to overthrow the government, though they say all they did was treat injured pro-democracy protesters. 

LINK

 

 

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 22:20 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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something you'll never see in our MSM

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dSHl3C9kgY

 

Zionist hate vs Judism

 

yet how many Zionists run America? And are unquestioned of their motives?

 

 

 

 

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 06:59 | Link to Comment Clay Hill
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Actually did see that on Fox several years ago.

They only showed 20 - 30 seconds of that rabid ignoranus attacking the protesters. Then something like 2 minutes of Megan Kelly interviewing a Rabbi to explain principled opposition to the existence of a Jewish State.

The whole thing seemed slanted toward confirming the myth of the "self-hating Jew".

Hmmm, wonder why they would do that? 

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 09:54 | Link to Comment cranky-old-geezer
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The original Israelites chronicled all through  the bible, old and new testament, looked just like Americans, British, Russians, etc today.  

Jews of today are a subset of the original Israelites who intermarried with darker-skinned peoples around them (Arab, Muslum, etc) while most Israelites didn't.  Much of the intermarrying resulted from being in Babylonian and Assyrian captivity where they were slaves more or less.

Likewise the original Jewish religion practiced by the Israelites and chronicled in the bible was nothing like Judaism today. 

Zionists come from both groups, Israelites who didn't intermarry, and the subset who did. 

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:35 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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...And More Sanitized News: 

 

BEIRUT — The Syrian government asserted Monday that 120 soldiers had been killed by armed protesters in the northern town of Jisr al-Shughour, amid indications that what began as a peaceful protest movement is turning into an armed rebellion in at least some parts of the country.

LINK

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:28 | Link to Comment Caviar Emptor
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I smell discount!! Discount air fares, hotels and meals....and souvenirs!! Fuku snow globes with little glittering particles

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 00:22 | Link to Comment trav7777
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what an insane crock of shit

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 07:34 | Link to Comment Plumplechook
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Certifiably insane.   Conspiracy nut-jobs like this just divert attention from the genuine catastrophe of Fukushima.  Don't waste once second of your life reading this idiot Jim Stone's lunatic ramblings.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 20:39 | Link to Comment Element
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This linked site has the dumbest crap ever.

Is it so difficult (for the writer of it) to accept that massive natural disasters have been occurring routinely on Earth for billions of years?

Or that Japan is about the most prone of all countriesl to such massive Earthquakes and Tsunamis?

Why do you think they coined the word 'Tsunami' eh dickhead?

Or are you just there as a hack, to actually attempt to make ALL conspiracies (even real ones) look like utterly stupid crap to everyone, thus allowing actually culpable conspiricists to escape detection examination and lawful punishment?

 

Or are you really that stupid?

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:33 | Link to Comment kekekekekekeke
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I am going to Japan on Saturday for 2 weeks

I fly into Tokyo but will spend most of my time in the southwest part of the country

how terrible of an idea is this?

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:48 | Link to Comment blindman
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if you're pregnant you should be arrested,
otherwise, you pay your ticket and you take your
ride. imo

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 21:54 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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Well probably not bad unless you planning on having kids in this lifetime.

If so you might want to make a deposit at local sperm bank prior to departure.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 16:19 | Link to Comment kekekekekekeke
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I do want kids in 5-7 years

 

I'm taking my bottles of zeolite and potassium iodide with me

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 22:03 | Link to Comment SirIssacNewton
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This is the worst idea ever..... sorry but its just not worth the risk.  There are still places in the Ukraine and eastern europe that are too contaminated to go safely.  Why would you want to go to a place where the winds are shifting towards Tokyo and risk cancer?  Is it too late to cancel the tickets?  I know it sucks, but think about it.  There's no way for you to know exactly where the food and water you're eating is coming from.....and the air you breathe might contain minute particles and once in your lungs cannot be expelled....and become internal radioactive emitters.

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 22:17 | Link to Comment BlackholeDivestment
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Are you kidding Keke? ...ain't it Bonidori time err somthing? It's Summer Time, drink Sake and sweat it out while you get squeezed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqSgQmRRBIg

Oh, and there is this Weiner Fest too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0B-xisssPY

Mon, 06/06/2011 - 23:19 | Link to Comment HK
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Keke, we have a Japanese American neighbor whose 89 year old mother was supposed to take a trip to Japan in May.  This trip had been planned for a while and she was supposed to visit relatives, temples, all the usual stuff.  I told the neighbor, you can't see, smell or taste this stuff, it's nothing but the luck of the draw if she comes back with no collateral damage.  He worked like heck to convince her and finally she agreed to postpone the trip until things got better.  I don't think that's going to happen anytime soon and the risk/reward is just too great towards the risk side.  I'd tell you to come to Hawaii, but heck, I don't know what's floating around here anymore since the EPA discontinued testing.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 01:10 | Link to Comment Dave Thomas
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Strikes me as kind of alarmist. She is EIGHTY NINE years old. A life well lived. Her RNA has taken quite the beating. Now if I was 19 years old I might consider holding off. But at 89 at that point who gives a crap.

Tue, 06/07/2011 - 05:28 | Link to Comment Mec-sick-o
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Agree.  Yet she deserves the benefit of the doubt of living 20 more years with relatively good health and die from old age, and not from a prematurely induced painful cancer.

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