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Japan: Land Of The Rising Sun And The Irradiated Ground

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Wed, 06/08/2011 - 07:57 | 1350097 the not so migh...
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This is a form of genocide.  The media not reporting the truth is guilty of crimes against humanity.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:18 | 1350151 Hammer Time
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My estimate is slacks under the asphalt. Those are always radio active.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 13:54 | 1351623 Harmonious_Diss...
Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:34 | 1350188 trav7777
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Cut the hysterical bullshit, you and Tyler.

This was 5 uSv/hr...there are probably natural alpha emitters like GRANITE in the freakin pavement.

His rad detector was showing .1uSv ambient, which is normal.  IOW, Tokyo is not a smoldering radioactive wasteland.  Certainly everyone there will not be "dead or evacuated" by April 2.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:35 | 1350201 High Plains Drifter
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here we go again...........

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 09:57 | 1350527 fuu
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It's like clockwork.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:42 | 1350224 scratch_and_sniff
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Explain the earless bunny rabbit then? Are rabbit ears a new Japanese delicacy?

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 09:14 | 1350325 TheTmfreak
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Birth deformaties happen all the time. Literally, all the time. Considering evolution is based off of "random" mutations, which weren't caused by failing nuclear power plants.

Also, if I'm not mistaken the rabbits were significantly closer to the plant.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 10:34 | 1350750 Robsabi
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As a commenter pointed out in a previous entry here about Fukushima, earless rabbits are not unheard of.  The fact that *one* happened to show up in an area near Fukushima doesn't signify much. We'd need to see a statistically unusual rise in earless bunnies in the area before we can say this was anything other than a coincidence.

Check out this 2009 forum from the UK about earless rabbits: http://forums.rabbitrehome.org.uk/showthread.php?t=194355

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 12:04 | 1351187 dark pools of soros
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they are definitely unheard of to that rabbit!

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 12:58 | 1351398 mortgageguy
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Hah! Good one.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 13:50 | 1350311 TheTmfreak
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I agree. This is about as sensational as it gets.

Some amateur guy walking around with a geiger counter who doesn't know two shits about radioactivity.

There is trace radioactive particles all over the globes soil. In fact one might want to check here in Virginia where there is a serious problem with edit: (Radon) gas produced by uranium soil...

(I doubt it was granite considering Japan is mafic rich island)

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 09:13 | 1350338 Fiat2Zero
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Background is about .07 micros. .10 may indicate you've got some particles in the wind. A huge slab of granite produces .11.

6 micros is a somewhat, dangerous amount for everyday exposure. If exposed continuously, this would give you 2.5 the limit of the dose limit for a nuclear worker is (20 milli per year). That's 365 x 24 x 6 = 52 millis. Criterion for relocation at Chernobyl was 350 millis per lifetime. So after 7 years you'd need to move.

But the severity is just one aspect. It assumes the level is constant. Sine the winds have only just started blowing onto Tokyo, with dinges and the arrival of typhoon season, we can expect levels to increase.

More importantly, the difference between the two areas shows that our current ways of measuring threat are so wrong it's laughable (e.g. Radnet).

But these things are known by those who have lived through Chernobyl.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 10:33 | 1350745 tmosley
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No one seems to notice the trend--the radiation dose is increasing as he gets closer to the storm drain, where some radioactive particles have settled.  What about the levels in the water supply?  The levels around that drain were 50x ambient.  What happens when levels in the bottom of the water supply are 50x THAT?

That is the important thing here, as that is the thing that will eventually force a broad based evacuation.  If non-radiated water is not available, people will leave by any means necessary, even if it means diaspora.  

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 09:25 | 1350379 Fanatic
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"His rad detector was showing .1uSv ambient, which is normal."


Correct. Even 0.2 uSv/hr would be normal in the US as background radiation. There were some radiation in the stone dust on the pavement there, but that could be due to granite, shale, etc. The fact that the background radiation is 0.10 shows that there is no excessive radiation in the air at the present time.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 10:42 | 1350781 medicalstudent
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hot particles. atoms wont register on geiger counters, plumes will.


gunderson says seattle residents breathed in 5 per day in april. 10 per day for tose in tokyo.


denial --> anger --> ... get to acceptance already.



Wed, 06/08/2011 - 12:07 | 1351184 Fiat2Zero
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Hot particles do show up as a spike that recedes, if you have the right type of dosimeter (some may average over a very long period, making spikes go away).

Also, you can hear lots of beeps (decays) despite the measurement being only slightly elevated.

A really hot particle will set off the alarm on my dosimeter.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 12:00 | 1351152 Fiat2Zero
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.2 in boulder CO maybe.

You are smoking crack if you think 6 micros is due to granite.

Numbers and facts matter.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 10:20 | 1350680 tmosley
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I love how you continuously misquote me in every realm of discourse.

I never said Tokyo would be dead or evacuated due to radiation.  THE FUCKING WATER WAS OFF AND THERE WAS NO BOTTLED WATER.

This is why you have no fucking credibility, it's because you fucking lie at every opportunity, like the sociopath that you are.

Go castrate a gibbon and leave the discussion to the adults.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 10:05 | 1350558 downrodeo
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This feels like the GOM all over again. Months and months go by with little or no mention of the event in the MSM, which then means that the general populace doesn't think about it. Outta sight, outta mind... 

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 11:11 | 1350940 lolmao500
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About the GOM... One year later, the clean up crews are dying.


Wed, 06/08/2011 - 20:55 | 1353167 Thunder_Downunder
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Give it another year or so and see how they explain dozens of Japanese coming down with 'golf war syndrome'.


Governments seem happy to poison their citizens when it comes to radiation... it's just too scary and too expensive to clean up, better to leave it for the future...

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 07:57 | 1350098 swissinv
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Have you seen the exsiting russian mutate human bunnies? Well, I don't wanna see it again.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:01 | 1350100 Sandy15
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How scary is that?

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:01 | 1350101 earnulf
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This is not funny, this is a Snagglepuss "Exit, stage left" moment

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:02 | 1350104 Mongo
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Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:02 | 1350105 cossack55
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Go long balloons.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:11 | 1350106 TheJudge2012
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Since we've been told we're safe from radiation spewed into the sea because it settles to the bottom of the ocean, likewise how much radiation will settle to the bottom of a glass of milk?

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:20 | 1350156 High Plains Drifter
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according to gunderson, many of the plutonium fuel rods that were in reactor 3 , wound up on the ocean , after the explosion there. what do hot plutonium fuel rods do to fish and the oceanic waters? maybe no one really wants to know about this?  very scarey stuff.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:07 | 1350107 TuesdayBen
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Get outta dodge, bitchez.....as in, Sayonara Nippon

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:04 | 1350112 Ruffcut
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The gov was saying low rads, 18 meters from the ground. If you get on stilts, you are all set.

It would match will with colorful circus tents.

Maybe the epa and fda should go over there and give the masterful smell tests, like they did with gulf shrimp.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:01 | 1350114 pepperspray
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My congressman who even 2 weeks after the tsunami was still advocating for new nuke energy in our district, has now STFU on the topic.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:14 | 1350142 TheJudge2012
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Which nuke-owned dickhead was that?

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:23 | 1350161 pepperspray
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Gibson still supports nuclear power plant
Despite situation in Japan, congressman wants plant in district
Tuesday, March 15, 2011


Wed, 06/08/2011 - 13:14 | 1351458 jmc8888
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Why not nuclear? Because you're scared? You being scared doesn't change facts.

What happened in japan is a travesty, but could have been avoided...hello...where did they build it? Ok.  Somehow anti-nuclear idiots forget that key point.  Location. Location. Location.

The alternative until fusion is nothing. (and since we have energy crunches now...just wait a few decades...)

Wind/solar are complete horseshit, and there is not enough oil.  Natural gas is a pipe dream but of course we can increase usuage by a bit.  That said, if there is a 30-50 year lead time WITH a Manhattan style fusion project...(and right now we're without such a program)...can anyone forecast what the energy shortfall will mean? Billions of deaths unless nuclear is there to BRIDGE the gap.  That's it...not a forever situation...just a few decades.

The only way is nuclear until fusion.  Then when we get fusion, we start retiring the nuke plants.  To say that today's plants are the same as those built in Japan is asinine.  Last I checked there are plenty of places in this country that aren't in a fukushima situation, AND are still running just fine.  You already aren't safe, you might as well have enough energy to live. 

The alternative is perhaps a few billion people dying from lack of energy.  IN REALITY, as sad as it is, as much as I DON"T want nuclear, is the fact that WE NEED nuclear. Or we can die without it.  Real death is assured without nuclear.  Only given fuckups are some people exposed.  There won't be billions of deaths from fukushima.  There will be without nuclear.  So unless someone can show me that billions of deaths will occur with fukushima, and I see those many people dropping dead, then Nuclear still is better decision than no-nuclear. 

If you want to shorten the timeframe we need it, fund fusion up the ass.  There is no other alternative.

Nuclear until fusion, and there is nothing else except death.  We must risk death, in order to not actually have death.  Sad, but true. No way to get around it, and I'm not going to advocate everyone dying from lack of energy (yes they would) because some people are too scared of it.

Nuclear tip #1...don't put it next to the sea

Nuclear tip #2....don't put it next to a fault line

Nuclear tip #3....use a better design (pebble bed...or different like thorium)

Nuclear tip #4....federally fund it....without bankster loans so you can shut it down whenever you need to, because there is no bankster calling for his loan payments.

We need nuclear, and you just have to accept that, or else are you going to sacrifice yourself FIRST when the world doesn't have the energy (needlessly) to feed you?

People are fucking stupid.  There's risk in everything, and until fusion, unless you want guaranteed genocide over the coming decades, we need nuclear.

Germany just screwed itself because the same idiocy that let Nazi-ism rise, that same part of the brain activated then, has been activated again, by them, by you, and that's letting ones insane emotions override reality.  Billion die without nuclear.  Billions won't die from multiple nuclear disasters....and we can certainly control the situation better than fukushima to ENSURE billions or even millions won't die because they'll use better reactors in safer locations.

A blanket...we can't use nuclear...is akin to nazi non-thought.  Seriously.  Use your head and quit pandering to emotions.  They're allowing you to make a genocidal deicison (and think you're right) when in reality, the situation in your head, is nothing like what it's really like.  Sorry that you may let billions die.  I won't. 

If you think billions will die from Fukushima, I'm sure Goldman Sachs has some sub-prime 'shitty deal' products to sell you.

If your congressmen sucks, do it on real reasons like they support wall street bailouts or don't support Glass-Steagall.  Don't blame your senator for wanting in this one case to provide power to be part of the makeup of power that doesn't allow for billions to die needlessly. 

I'm being realistic, and I'm not scared.  But in reality burying our head in the sand, will allow everything to rot around us, and billions would die.  That's reality.  Quit acting like a scaredy cat.


Wed, 06/08/2011 - 13:30 | 1351533 TheTmfreak
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I'm with you but Nuclear has its disadvantages as well. As right now the "storage" issue is FAR from solved. Nuclear waste material is stored well over its capacity in temporary locations at the various Nuclear Plant sites. (If anything happens to this stuff, big time local environment problems happen).

Everybody likes to quote Yucca mountain. Which is closed, and not going to open anytime soon. I talked to a geologist who was working the Yucca Mountain deal, and due to politics (and politics alone) it was closed. The political opponents want things such as millions of years guarrantee for storage, which will never happen.

Also, people like to quote Fusion which is total and complete bullshit. I'm not saying to stop research, but you're making the VERY bold leap that cold fusion that can be used to create power WILL (or can) be created. You even have a timeline. (really? 30-50 years? Since when did major technological breakthroughs ever have a timescale behind them? In fact its WELL known that major technological breakthroughs are happening at a dramatically slower, and slowing pace. Claiming that "this will be the future" before its even created, is dangerous and recklass.)

It seems like you might want to check your assumptions, definitives, and strongly held beliefs before you label everyone who might be skeptical or critical as stupid. Its not nearly as simple and cut and dry as you make it sound.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 21:21 | 1353233 Element
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Nuclear tip #5....Don't put it anywhere near scarce agri cropping land and other food sources

Rational assessment of a hazard.

I like that.

But Japan does not have any spare cropping land that it can just risk on nuclear fallout. It's population really is pushing up against what the country can physically support, and something like 3x somewhat unconfined 100% melted reactor cores is just making that a whole LOT more of a problem. And not just for Japan.

Also, if we are going to take this rational choice that we don't mind enhanced death rates and shortened lives, as long as we have affordable electrickery always that make our life much nicer, but for a shorter period, then you can justify almost any policy with that sort of argument (and not saying it is wrong - for you).

Just saying, because this goes against almost everything medicine, health-&-safety Nazis, and almost all societies stand for, and definitely expect, otherwise we would not have hospitals full of sick and old  people, who's life is less than pleasant - we could just rationalise them all away (please don't take this as a shallow straw-man to defeat your rational argument - just saying - but mostly I agree, people have been trained to be "fucking stupid").

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:02 | 1350116 apberusdisvet
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For my grandchildren I have deep concerns; for me, not so much.  I am tempted to buy a geiger counter and check out the veggie and dairy sections at my local supermarket. but I just know that I'll be arrested for distrubing the peace or some such.  The EPA site screams "don't worry, be happy", but I'm more than skeptical.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 10:13 | 1350638 MachoMan
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Not likely...  but you could certainly get asked to leave (if you cause a scene, then maybe).  Further, if it is a supermarket you frequent, you might risk getting permanently banned (walmart does this) and they might have facial recognition software and active monitoring of their clientele...  (i.e. you get booted asap upon entrance and get slapped with trespassing charges).

My suggestion would be to go to a supermarket in your general area that has the same produce as the place you usually shop (same brand, etc.) and try there...  you might also ask a smaller store to test their produce during off peak hours...  and then you could report to them the findings...  they might care...

If you're going to go to a big supermarket without permission, go when there are a shit ton of people there... 

Better than average chance no one is gonna care/notice you and it would seem there is significant public policy to do what you're doing.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 13:24 | 1351493 AGuy
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Using a Geiger counter to measure food and liquids doesn't work. Most of the radiation emitted is alpha and beta, which cannot penetrate into the air for the geiger to detect emissions. The small amount of Gamma radiation emitted is also difficult to detect because gieger-mueller tubes are not very sensitive to gamma radiation. Radiation detection in food and liquids is measured using specialize process and expensive equipment.


Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:06 | 1350117 bob_dabolina
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Put this in your pipe and smoke it:

Nowhere to Run: Hot radioactive particles in Seattle at 50 percent of levels seen in Tokyo — Latches onto lung tissue (VIDEO)



Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:36 | 1350206 High Plains Drifter
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radiation is the gift that keeps on giving and never goes away.  south america anyone?

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 12:16 | 1351231 slewie the pi-rat
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makes aluminum look transitory.  who knows what the real situ is?  well, the japanese & the nuclear peeps and other engineering types must be studying it.  so, if this is what tyler presents from "the press" then slewie would assume not quite the worst, but close, which is, here, not good. 

i'll bet tyler could raise the money for zH to send tmosely & trav to do some research and report back thru bob_d.  hahaha.  [trying to piss everybody off @ once dept]

human sacrifice, BiCheZ!

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:03 | 1350118 swissinv
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Time to leave the earth and go to the moon. Sadly, I even don't believe in a moon landing...

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 09:56 | 1350518 Mec-sick-o
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Can we send you to the moons of Saturn?

Fly me to the moons of Saturn


Wed, 06/08/2011 - 13:24 | 1351508 AGuy
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There is far-far more radiation on the Moon than virtually anywhere on Earth.  Mars also has more radiation (cosmic rays) than Earth.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 19:11 | 1352894 slewie the pi-rat
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well, that totally explains why everyone keeps showing up here...

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:09 | 1350119 Robslob
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Governments lie to survive.

Politicians lie for power.

Bankers lie for money.

Lawyers destroy anything and everything just to lie.


Accountants unkowingly lie.

People knowingly believe lies until the lies no longer suit their purpose...then they rebel.

It is possible our own government (through too many lies) is slowly awaking the sleeping giant of freedom...believe it.

Wed, 06/08/2011 - 08:08 | 1350120 writingsonthewall
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Did anyone else notice that the reading is taken near a drain? Maybe it's the water that's the problem.

However - for balance, I do recall that natural radiation is greater at ground level.....but I'm not sure this level is expected.

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