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Thu, 12/03/2009 - 11:57 | Link to Comment Brother Revegen...
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So... it seems to be the beginning of the end?

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 11:58 | Link to Comment TaroASSo
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I told ya...

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:08 | Link to Comment Brian Griffin
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Ha ha.  You Funny.  Ha ha. 

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 17:06 | Link to Comment YukioHatoYAma
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Whaale!

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 17:43 | Link to Comment TaroASSo
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Hey, you SOB!

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 17:40 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:01 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:58 | Link to Comment aaronvelasquez
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It's from "Animal House."  Foreigner.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:13 | Link to Comment heatbarrier
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Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:35 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:02 | Link to Comment bonddude
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"That boy is a P-I-G pig !"

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 19:57 | Link to Comment dot_bust
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And everybody thought the Stork was brain damaged!

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:40 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:41 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 16:25 | Link to Comment Unscarred
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZOg8bzVT5s (1:25)

"Yeah.  Well, better make it 75-"

"OKAY!"

Fri, 12/04/2009 - 00:13 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 12/04/2009 - 01:50 | Link to Comment tom a taxpayer
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Road Trip is too optimistic. They made it to the other side of the creek in Road Trip.

 

The final scene in the movie Thelma and Louise is more realistic for current situation. 

 

(Running from the police, Thelma and Louise stop their open convertible car near the edge of a desert mesa cliff.)

 

Thelma (GS and Wall Street criminal enterprise): "O.K. then, let's not get caught."

Louise (Fed, Treasury, BOJ): "What are you talking about?"

Thelma (GS and Wall Street criminal enterprise): "Let's keep going."

Louise (Fed, Treasury, BOJ): "What do you mean?"

Thelma (GS and Wall Street criminal enterprise): "GO!"

Louise (Fed, Treasury, BOJ): "You sure?"

Thelma (GS and Wall Street criminal enterprise): "Yeah."

(Thelma and Louise kiss. Louise hits the gas pedal. The car accelerates in a cloud of dust across mesa and flies off the mesa cliff into thin air.)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z88U915uq8

 

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:57 | Link to Comment aaronvelasquez
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He's on a roll.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:25 | Link to Comment Overpowered By Funk
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You guys up for a toga party?

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 19:57 | Link to Comment dot_bust
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Toga! Toga!

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 20:37 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 18:34 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:01 | Link to Comment Zombie Investor
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What's going on with Gibbs at the WH?  I heard that he said earlier today that the UE will tick higher tomorrow,  and now he claims he doesn't know what the UE will be.  Did the Marx Brothers take over the WH?

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:06 | Link to Comment Gilgamesh
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Yes, but wrong Marx family.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:12 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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+1... now that's funny!

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:07 | Link to Comment jedwards
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he said he was referring to the ADP report, but I guess he was just being a dumbass for not understanding that his words are listened to very closely.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:19 | Link to Comment CreditcalMass
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No, he's just a a flatout dumbass.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:18 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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Smugg Gibbs takes his usual stance: "Again, we don't know."

From Fly On The Wall:

Robert Gibbs says I don't have slightest idea of what unemployment rate will be 12/03/2009 - 07:49
Which is a lie because they know this ship is going dowwwwwwn!


Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:03 | Link to Comment heatbarrier
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Back to QE. Need the funds to buy JGBs?

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:03 | Link to Comment bruce wayne
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Due to liquidity needs?  Sovereign default looming?

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:35 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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Watchers have been worried about Japan for a while now; their exports have fallen through the floor. We can probably assume they are gearing up for all kinds of sovereign "yard sales" to raise cash across the board.

Gads, imagine. Japan having a national yard sale.

Will be interesting to see who buys, and at what street price.

cougar

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:07 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:17 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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I think we know who will buy the best 'cuts'....

and 'revenge' is a dish best served cold.

 

 

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:55 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 12/04/2009 - 08:08 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:03 | Link to Comment Psquared
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They can't give it away. The good stuff is made in China anyway.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:04 | Link to Comment Anton LaVey
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If this is true, the US$ is toast. T-O-A-S-T.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:07 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:07 | Link to Comment TaroASSo
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Current PM Hatoyama and his buddies have no sence of enonomics, politics, or even jokes. They just need to raise cash without increasing tax or monetizing the goverment debt to achieve "30000 Yen for every child, every month" policy, and found Japan was holding tens of billions of US Treasuries.

 

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:19 | Link to Comment Divided States ...
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The Japanese have a lot of creativity when it comes to Porn though. You gotta give credit where its due.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:42 | Link to Comment TaroASSo
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I agree to you. Would you like to watch a new porn featuring Ms. Mizuho Fuckshima, the head of Consumer Affairs Agency?

 

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:09 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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If it's got goldman sachs tentacles in it. I've seen it.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:19 | Link to Comment tetsuotrees
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+1

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:07 | Link to Comment assumptionblindness
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Well well well...it looks as if we can take Japan off of the list of potential buyers for our Treasury offerings next week, next month and next year.  

Someone just farted in the diving bell! 

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:08 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:47 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:48 | Link to Comment SWRichmond
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Only if by "rise" you mean "stop crashing".

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:59 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:49 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 16:35 | Link to Comment faustian bargain
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Maybe Japan wants to trade the dollars for gold...

Fri, 12/04/2009 - 08:10 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:11 | Link to Comment Tommy
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I guess since their previous attempt to sell some USTs in secret was foiled by an Italian cop, they have no choice but to sell them in the open market.

How will we know if this is true, aren't all parties served by keeping it private lest someone other than GS starts front-running?

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:42 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:15 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:20 | Link to Comment AnonymousMonetarist
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'Here on this mountaintop
I got some wild, wild life
Here comes the doctor in charge
{he's} got some wild, wild life
Check out Mr. Businessman
He bought some wild, wild life
On the way to the stock exchange
He got some wild, wild life
Thought control!
You get on board anytime you like!
'
-Talking Heads

'Gonna break loose
Gonna keep a movin' wild
Gonna keep a swingin'
Baby
I'm a real wild child
.'
-Iggy Pop

'The distribution of price changes in a financial market scales.
Given that event X has happened, what are the odds that Y will happen next?
With financial prices, scaling means that the odds of a massive price movement given a large one are akin to those of a large movement given a merely sizable one. Such is the confusion of scaling. It makes decisions difficult, prediction perilous, and bubbles a certainty
.'
-Benoit Mandelbrot 

'This subtle but extremely consequential property of scalable randomness is unusually counter intuitive. It is often said that "is wise he who can see things coming." Perhaps the wise one is the one who knows he cannot see things far away. Newspapers are excellent at predicting movie and theater schedules.'
-Nassim Taleb

As a youngster always read comic books, now its' the Wall Street Journal and the Financial Times. Both fluffy, with an occasional interesting tidbit and sometimes cool art; each medium presents fiction as fact. The latter though specializes in the prognostication of unknowns that through their presentation become knowns. The former usually throws an unknown unknown plot twist at ya.

Recently posted here:

'But there are unknown unknowns.

What we do not know we don't know is what the long finger of instability from the Hand will ultimately do to the markets and the economy that are still the home of the brave but alas are now a different land.

What we do not know that we don't know is how the continuing liquidation of Main Street and bifurcation of America will interact with the bankrupt ideology of the rich that had greatly succeeded in drafting the inner monologue of regular folks so that they would vote against their self interests and are trying to do it again.'

Would like to make the correction that these are known unknowns. Presumptuous and fictional to suggest otherwise.

Easy enough for an anonymous blogger to offer a correction, experts can't. For if they did how could they be experts? 

Speaking of expert opinion, here are two examples straight from today's 'funny pages.'

First. Iraq and Afghanistan 'unsettled' about our announced withdrawal date. 

Second, the financial industry 'unsettled' about an amendment that would require secured creditors under certain circumstances to take losses up to 20% should a financial firm fail.

Both show the conundrum of the government being 'all in' : they just can't ever 'pull out' lest the fragile system collapses. Of course the pablum narrative fails to consider that the only reason the system is so flippin' fragile is because 'we're there' in the first place.

I bet you one rentenmark Mortimer that by the time my newborn goes to college we will still have boots on the ground in Iraq and Afghanistan and the Hand will still be up the back of the 'markets'.

The first 'prediction' based on the imagining of Rahm telling Barry that if we are not over there and something happens over here he won't be able to cut his f%#$@&g legacy out of a wet paper bag with a steak knife and the second 'prediction' based on the Amerikantura knowing the game is so rigged that nostalgia for the good old days of the 'free markets' is for dreamers not schemers. 'Tis the rich man's burden it tis.

We speak of a mild outcome to all this, a new normal, as we stuff the pig on the scale of fate. We are so far down the rabbit hole Alice, so arse over tit, that it is quite plausible that the power law being applied here is masquerading mild as wild as well as its' converse.

What if the mild prognostication is deflation or hyperinflation with either A cascading to B or B cascading to A?

What if the Black Swan is just, hope upon hope, muddling through?

Never fast enough with the mute button after Santelli comes on CNBC, I caught one of the canuckleheads on Hee-Haw muse that golly gee willikers maybe we have to destroy the currency in order to create jobs! Destroy your standard of living to improve it? Nancy Capitalists in a Sovereign Democracy that are hell bent to seek rent.

And the Blacker Swan? Teleportation, room temperature superconductors, fusion ... something 'game changing'. that allows the game to go on?

Damn dirty apes.

Its' a madhouse!

 

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:28 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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And your point is...?

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:37 | Link to Comment AnonymousMonetarist
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Anonymity is a warm blanket

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:17 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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+1

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 22:28 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 16:11 | Link to Comment Rollerball
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He wants you to believe in the infinite randomness of chaos theory. 

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 18:11 | Link to Comment msjimmied
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Gawd I love you guys!

"What we do not know that we don't know is how the continuing liquidation of Main Street and bifurcation of America will interact with the bankrupt ideology of the rich that had greatly succeeded in drafting the inner monologue of regular folks so that they would vote against their self interests and are trying to do it again.'

along those lines..

http://trueslant.com/matttaibbi/2009/04/14/americas-peasant-mentality/

Fri, 12/04/2009 - 01:27 | Link to Comment The Matrix
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...so that they would vote against their self interests and are trying to do it again.'

And in case you fools ever wake-up in mass and vote against us we have these new electronic voting machines which our expert programmers say can give us the results we need to squeak by.

After all, there's no independent verifiable means of checking the results.  We're always on step ahead of you.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:21 | Link to Comment BobPaulson
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Rumours are often cooked up for a reason. Again, are we seeing double triple reverse psychology head fakes here?

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:21 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:27 | Link to Comment Brick
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With Japan very keen to reduce the value of the yen and talk of currency intervention how exactly are they going to do this without affecting the dollar. Yes the dollar is seperate from US treasuries but any change in circulation of US treasuries will affect yields and fed through to mortgage rates,strangling any potential US economic recovery and hence the value of the dollar. The only way this rumour could have any basis in fact is if things are that desperate that Japan has decided to sever trade ties with the US. The other possibilities are that this is some sort of gamesmanship to get the US to withdraw stimulus and stop QE, which is unlikely or that by signalling something really stupid investors in the yen finally get the message that things are not going that well in Japan. I would be surprised if this rumour hass any basis to be honest.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:48 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 12/04/2009 - 09:06 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:31 | Link to Comment curbyourrisk
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Good thing the FED tested the Reverse REPO today.  Will they be the direct buyer from Japan?  Is this what they have been bracing for??  Enquiring minds want to know!

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:42 | Link to Comment nonclaim
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It has such a clear plausibility it is hard to deny... could be indirect though, but still the buyer of last resort.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:01 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:05 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:04 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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If you look at what the Fed has been doing as a form of money laundering - swapping illiquid securities of all kinds for cash, no questions asked, no strings attached - it would be reasonable that the Japanese would like a piece of the action.

Their business insider yakuza are no different from our business insider yakuza (except for the tattoos).

Treasuries in BOJ custody are as illiquid as MBS @ BofA. Certainly the Fed will buy ... as long as Bernanke is chairman, that is.

I think it's funny that all the smart- money insiders are leaving 'Financeville' in the middle of the day, bags packed and moving vans in front of houses ... and nobody is paying attention.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:31 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:31 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:33 | Link to Comment bugs_
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Your skills are weak Currency Ninja.  I sense your inner conflict.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:50 | Link to Comment TaroASSo
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I'm afraid to say this, but the word "weak" is way too much over evaluation.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:51 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:18 | Link to Comment Reductio ad Absurdum
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Absolutely correct. The natural liberal and socialistic tendencies of women have doomed us since they got the right to vote.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:55 | Link to Comment Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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Please pick up your knuckles, they are dragging across the floor as you walk again.

 

Keep your angst about your mother ending your brastfeeding when you turned 49, to yourself, please.

 

Ps- I'm telling your wife. She won't let you sign on here for a week when she finds out! LOL

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 16:48 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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Making cookies for neighbors does not make you socialist. Didn't you read Atlas Shrugged? What a mistake to discount a brain because of gender.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 19:21 | Link to Comment faustian bargain
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but damn, they do make some good cookies.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 16:48 | Link to Comment Unscarred
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@Anonymous - You are absolutely right!  I can't believe that I never thought of that.  It's the FEMINISTS that convinced the Japanese to sell Treasurys.  Wow!  Do your best to keep them occupied baking fine confectioneries during the holidays, and for God's sake man, keep them away from the Chinese!

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 12:55 | Link to Comment Gordon_Gekko
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One more nail in the coffin of the dollar.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:46 | Link to Comment T-888
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yeah, but its an open casket memorial.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 16:17 | Link to Comment Rollerball
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More like rotisserie cremation.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:00 | Link to Comment jm
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This is pure posturing.  The BOJ is royally pissed at the Fed for not stopping the dollar beat down. 

Unless they are willing to let the yen go vertical and make the currency war turn into a trade war, there's not a damn thing they can do about it.

 

 

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:05 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Stevm30
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That doesn't make sense to me... If the FED raises interest rates, the dollar will rise, since people will prefer to save.  However, if the FED is still loaning at zero, but interest rates rise, due to market forces, that will not have an effect on the dollar.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:11 | Link to Comment pivot
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are you serious?  I can't believe I just read this.  please tell me you are kidding.

Fri, 12/04/2009 - 09:11 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:17 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:21 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:23 | Link to Comment chunkylover42
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those SOBs.  We should retaliate by selling our Sonys.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:11 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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The army just bought a bunch of Play Station 3's too.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:52 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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Sony bailout make happy Japan?

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:24 | Link to Comment trav777
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If the Japs were truly to bail, we're done

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:43 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:23 | Link to Comment trav777
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where do you park the dollars? 

Higher yields won't strengthen the dollar insofar as high yields can be caused by sovereign default risk.  Yields are supposed to represent a coupon above and beyond the "print inflation" risk.

This is how it works everywhere else...it's why Greece's spreads are blowing out for example.  Nobody thinks the bond is safe so they demand risk premium.

Any treasury yield spike will boost the dollar?  The dollar IS the treasury.  Last time we saw a collapse in bond values we got devaluations; the yield spike was due to default premium.

If JPY wants to devalue, simple...peg it

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 17:22 | Link to Comment Apocalypse Now
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And here we have the answer the bankers want.

The race to the bottom in currency devaluation will inspire other countries to state this isn't fair and that most of the energy is being used on things that don't contribute to real growth - the solution?  Every country pegs their currency, and we have a defacto one world currency. 

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:36 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:02 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:43 | Link to Comment Shameful
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Am I the only one who would laugh his balls off if they did a massive dump of the treasuries on Dec 7?  I can see Obama now... "A date which will live in infame..."

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:45 | Link to Comment Kurtieboy
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Here is a question.

Who would be the buyer of the bonds?

 

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 23:32 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:47 | Link to Comment Commander Cody
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Pearl Harbor redux, but in a not-so-subtle way.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:50 | Link to Comment Ben Graham Redux
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Total Bullshit - neither Japan nor China can dump their treasuries without a massive increase in their currencies, which would destroy their export industries.  The US dollar is the roach motel - there's no leaving!

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:14 | Link to Comment pivot
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agree.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:19 | Link to Comment nope-1004
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Second  the motion.  This is a total rumour and any attempt to actually follow through would see the US$ carry trade unwind bigtime.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:36 | Link to Comment nonclaim
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A soft unwind (fear check) of the dollar would please the japanese, no? Dollar strengthening against the yen would help exports. These rumours might keep coming...

Fri, 12/04/2009 - 09:18 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Fri, 12/04/2009 - 09:15 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:51 | Link to Comment Jus7tme
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Wait a second, Japan Inc supposedly wants a weaker Yen, and they are going to get it by selling dollar and  buying yen? Now that is very backwards. It will cause a *rising* yen.

Unless of course they buy something denominated in dollars. Stocks? MBS?

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:45 | Link to Comment gmrpeabody
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as in...GOLD

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 19:30 | Link to Comment Jus7tme
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Indeed. Gold may be what they are buying.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 13:58 | Link to Comment Prophet of Wise
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Add one more leg in the march to self actualizing prophecies. One can take away no solace in the behemouth level of debt re-roll scheduled for 2010 at >$2 trillion before the affects of deficit finance lump on an estimated additional $1.4 trillion. At the incomprehensible total 2010 credit reload demand level of $3.5 trillion, now all appearances ex-empire of the sun, the corporation formerly known as the United States of America faces certain permanent and irrevocable insolvency. Notwithstanding the economic and financial value of the US non-productive assets now significantly outweigh the value of its productive or contributing assets. The value of any financial asset equals the sum of its future cash flows properly discounted over time. You can discount negative cash flow from the day God breathed life into Adam and it won't change the result! This corporation should be plunged headlong into bankruptcy.    

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:02 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:26 | Link to Comment trav777
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A dollar-only transaction has no FX implication.

 

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:03 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:24 | Link to Comment rstora01
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you die......Joe!

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 14:54 | Link to Comment bigzenodog
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Ben to JPN: "You f--cked up, you trusted us ..."

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:12 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 12/04/2009 - 09:20 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 12/04/2009 - 09:20 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:12 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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Weren't we putting all our debt on the HSBC tungten card anyway?

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:54 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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LOLZ.

I am Chumbawamba.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:21 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:25 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Thu, 12/03/2009 - 15:29 | Link to Comment trav777
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Stampede out of US Debt means immediate insolvency and default unless printing.

Douchinger - write a ticker!

We're rolling over ST debt...let's um do a thought experiment on what that would mean in terms of interest service costs in the event of a yield spike.

The gov't will either collapse in default or else devalue, just like last time.  Either way I don't want to be holding their paper.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 16:35 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Thu, 12/03/2009 - 18:28 | Link to Comment Joe Sixpack
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Any news from the Italian border to Switzerland?

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 18:34 | Link to Comment johngaltfla
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Despite what one might think, start contemplating the idea of decoupling one more time.If Japan, China and India decided that they wanted a new Asian centric unified trading currency Malaysia, Thailand, Vietnam, Indonesia and probably Australia would have to sign up and participate. The dollar is in its death throes now and if this final intervention in early 2010 fails, all bets are off until we see USDX around 49-52.

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 20:07 | Link to Comment spanish inquisition
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I would expect to see big moves to maintain the dollar drop on a steady pace to maintain commodity prices. The oil bubble is next up.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/floating-oil-tankers-here-to-stay/article1385585/

Thu, 12/03/2009 - 21:59 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 12/04/2009 - 02:52 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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This is connected to the new Japanese government wanting to start negotiations to evict the US military from their premises.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6915855.ece

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/02/world/asia/02japan.html?_r=2&scp=4&sq=...

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