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Japan Prepares To "Bury The Problem" Following News Of Uncontrolled Reactor 1 Chain Reactions
And once again our prediction about Fukushima (namely the inevitable entombment of the entire facility in thousands of tons of concrete) is about to be realized. Bloomberg reports that Japan will consider pouring concrete into its crippled Fukushima atomic plant to reduce radiation and contain the worst nuclear disaster in 25 years. The reason for the admission of total defeat is the gradual comprehension that the worst case scenario has come to pass: "The risk to workers might be greater than previously thought because melted fuel in the No. 1 reactor building may be causing isolated, uncontrolled nuclear chain reactions, Denis Flory, nuclear safety director for the International Atomic Energy Agency, said at a press conference in Vienna." Not one to cover up the worst case outcome for a week, TEPCO only did so... for five days: "Radioactive chlorine found March 25 in the Unit 1 turbine building suggests chain reactions continued after the reactor shut down, physicist Ferenc Dalnoki-Veress of the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies in Monterey, California, wrote in a March 28 paper." It's good thought" Radioactive chlorine has a half-life of 37 minutes, according to the report." It appears Japan is willing to give up, and write off a several hundred square kilometer area, as nobody in their right mind will ever agree to move in next to a territory that, contrary to lies, er, promises, will not seep radioactivity in the soil and in the water. This is an unprecedented admission of defeat by the Japanese which unfortunately may be the only solution, which will certainly have major implications for the Japanese economy.
The now much expected spin on this last ditch effort:
Tokyo Electric mixed boron, an element that absorbs neutrons and hinders nuclear fission, with emergency cooling water to prevent accidental chain reactions, Kathryn Higley, head of nuclear engineering and radiation health physics at Oregon State University in Corvallis, said in an e-mail.
Dismantling the plant and decontaminating the site may take 30 years and cost Tokyo Electric more than 1 trillion yen ($12 billion), engineers and analysts said. The government hasn’t ruled out pouring concrete over the whole facility as one way to shut it down, Edano said at a press conference.
Dumping concrete on the plant would serve a second purpose: it would trap contaminated water, said Tony Roulstone, an atomic engineer who directs the University of Cambridge’s masters program in nuclear energy.
How anyone could think the outcome would be anything but following a brief look at the latest overflight of Fukushima is beyond us.
As for what happens after a concrete tomb, which increases the surrounding pressure by orders of magnitude, is put over what now appears is still a live fision reaction, well, we won't make any predictions. Suffice to say if historical precedent of how TEPCO has handled this situation to date is any indication, expect the sarcophagus to crack, and a 100 km "No Live Zone" radius to be extended around Fukushima in perpetuity.
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Bullish for concrete producers?
And really I think we all knew it would end this way. After the reactors started exploding got to think might be hard to save them.
Gonna be worse than Chenobyl... due to the casual, uncreative Japanese response. At 3 weeks the Russians had 10,000 people on site building a liquid nitrogen cooling system by tunnelling underneath the reactor, baby. Whatever the Japanese authorities are saying... just ignore.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/7731?page=1
FYI - Everyone thinks that the sarcophagus is sealed and airtight, but that is just a misconception. Chernobyl sarcophagus actually has large holes and openings. The main purpose of the sarcophagus is to shield the radioactive area from rain and wind that can carry away further particles into the surrounding area.
In Chernobyl's sarcophagus birds frequently fly in and out of all the openings. It is just like an umbrella versus a sealed container.
Concrete sarcophagus strikes me as absurd. The cooling pipes are in communication with turbine buildings and seaway underneath. Do they propose to pour concrete over everything? - including a couple acres of water?
Burying the reactors and SFPs guarantees more fission and explosive atmospheric contamination above ground. Impossible to bury all 4 reactors, SFPs, and turbine halls simultaneously. Argh.
Fight fire with fire and nuke it then. All kidding aside, maybe stack a bunch of TNT in a line along the backside of the reactors and blow that shit out into the ocean. Scatter the core and stop the chain reaction I'd imagine. Of course you'd blow radioactive material in the air and ocean... I'll leave it to the physicists to debate the wisdom of that.
Trust me, that's not necessary.
I can't take posts about nuclear issues seriously from a 3 eyed person.
Why not? He must have experience with being irradiated and then mutating.
Here is an idea, get all the terminally ill people in the country (or countries), and ask them to volunteer driving heavy earth moving equipment to dismantle the damn thing. The people will get irradiated and die, but not before they die, they will help out their country. This is a kinder, gentler version of the Kamikaze.
A blast from the past shows its ass.
Think we could get a few other disposable demographics in there while you're at it?
There's a lot unemployed fisherman down in the gulf. What about them?
Hell... Detroit... the remains of Now Orleans.... christ... think of it.
Breaking as of 1:35 am EST, March 31.
Nuclear Engineer Arnie Gunderson has new video update out. This guy is very good at presenting the facts, and then gives his theories as to what's happening, why, and what the possible and likely outcomes might be.
Very grim.
A must see (top video, March 31st):
http://www.fairewinds.com/multimedia
I watched your video. It is NOT 200 MILLION Becquerels. At 2:14 in the video he cites 2,000,000 Becquerels / M^2.
Everything else is dead on and 2M Bec is more than enough to force evacuations.
Sorry about that. I was typing it while watching the video in another window.
What about the "burning spent fuel pool?"
Am I right to say this is looking worse than Chernobyl based on what he remarked upon?
heres a question for our nuclear expert stafff....
with 40-100 picocuries /liter measured in the rain in pennsylvania, how long before it rains enuf i shouldnt use my swimming pool?
80 days til I-131 decays out of the water
how long do we avoid our swimming pools?
months,years,decades? more than I-131 floating around out there
One it's too cold in Pa to swim so you're safe there.
Two, worry about the Cs-137 amounts. When you get some good measurements on those then we'll be albe to start calculations. :)
damn. godamn.
t.y., TIS! also on utoob, now.
Its not an eye, its an entry wound! ;-)
bingo
LULZ
The Japanese can build you an IPod... but the Russians can do heavy lifting.
Here is more on their Chernobyl reposnse: "A plan was devised: to freeze the earth around the reactor with liquid nitrogen, and then build a heat exchanger in the ground beneath it to cool the core and prevent meltdown. To freeze the ground, all the liquid nitrogen in the western Soviet Union was sent to Chernobyl: when it didn't arrive quickly enough, director Brukhanov received a late-night telephone call from the minister in charge of the operation. 'Find the nitrogen,' he was told, 'or you'll be shot.'".
Maybe shooting a TEPCO manager or two would spark an idea better than hosing it down with water, baby.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/mar/26/nuclear.russia
I'm no geologist, but take note of the fixed camera position relative to the Fukushima Power Plant before and after quake ... between :25 and, well the rest of the video.
These images imply a major geological deformation (sinking) of the area around Fukushima.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FobcdNqlcVw
Rusty,
I have not taken the time to post something to you, but I have been blown away by some of the stuff you are finding and leaving for us in other threads. The stuff with the water coming up during the quake, OMFG. Good finds, good catch. That prefecture does look screwed, BAAAAD.
This one too seems to be a very solid record of things as they were.
Thanks for posting.
Thank you MsCreant
Yeah, that video of the water in that Japanese Park during the quake, coming up from the shifting earth...great stuff.
Richard Feynman talks about light
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjHJ7FmV0M4&feature=related
Maybe the camera moved or rotated.
Maybe terra firma moved or rotated.
Yes, Rusty. They wouldn't have moved the camera for lots of reasons.
I think you are right.
Good post.
Thanks, Rusty. I can't remember where I saw it, but there was an article that said that side of the island dropped by over a foot from the earthquake.
NOVA / PBS reported parts of the Japanese coast sank 1 meter/3 feet.
full report at:
http://video.pbs.org/video/1863101157/
so someone said plant was on bedrock, it looks to me the sea walls sunk in relation to plant, were they on material that compressed/settled? And what geology is camer mountedon compared to plant that they should move differently. Unless some sort of fault right between plant and camera, any difference in elevation between tw I would attribute to differential settlement, on are on solid rock that did not move, another area on wet sand that did sink/liquify etc.
but they didn't even end up using that liquid nitrogen did they?
just put it all in some old space shuttles and shoot it to mercury.. just hope they dont explode in the sky.. that never happens
Yes, the site is, to say the least, difficult, and the aftershocks show that the whole damn thing is destined to fall into the ocean and eventually be subducted. It's just the next few centuries that may be a problem. The sheer volume of the spent fuel rods will fuck them over.
They need a large crane, preferably remote controlled and the balls to load this shit on barges and sink it, or maybe not. We at least need some original thinking and a few sane options. Burial just increases the rubble pile.
drop it into Mt Fuji
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the navy has rail gun technology. Put in a plan to contain this thing for 20 years. During that time build another nuke plant and a rail gun designed to throw this stuff into the sun. One lead capsule at a time, gathered, loaded and fired by a bunch of wall-e's. Who load themselves into the gun as they they are damaged/EOL. Pull every hard science PhD currently writing HFT aglo's, reits, CDOs, MBS, etc to do it.
Then deliver a Saturn V to the location. Hook a chain to the rail gun and throw it into the sun too.
I am <50% sarc> with this. it will take several generations to clean this up, so lots of options are actually on the table.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WALL-E
yep, rail guns, lead capsules, and robots ... in the mean time they can't keep the water pumps operational.
I know we need immeadiate containment/control but somebody needs to get the big picture 100 year time frame going or there is no point at all, for anyone one on the planet. Whether it is this reactor or the next one to go tits up. Take all those global warming grant writing scientists and put them on this. Same tech would be used to clean up chernobyl.
And if we do it right we could use the launches as a mass driver to alter our orbit enough to dodge some of the near earth objects that we KNOW are going to be too close for comfort over the next 100 years.
Henry Ford would say (para) "No problem is all that difficult when you break it up into manageble tasks"
We probably should just invest everything we have in geothermal, it's slightly safer. In 100 years I'm sure Monsanto will have developed a bacteria that eats radioactive material.
Radiation can't be broken up into manageable tasks when it kills you if you get too close.
I've heard the same.
Fukushima radioactive fallout nears Chernobyl levels
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20285-fukushima-radioactive-fallou...
The Battle for Chernobyl shows water coming in the sarcophagus from rather large openings.
Here is a fairly freaky video of the Chernobyl sarcophagus undergoing maintenance work in 2006 with guys in white plastic suits and oxygen tanks crawling all over the inside of the damn thing. This is not a solid structure.
Death by trial and error !! Is that what they want to do ?
Meanwhile, it seems the Chernobyl sarcophagus is also falling apart but Ukraine & belarus have no money to fix it !!
The Soviets did not use the liquid N cooling system. The temperature suddenly dropped off (the fuel combined with the sand in the walls) as the lava poued into the various spaces. Instead they filled the void with concrete.
Nice avatar.
> Instead they filled the void with concrete.
What void cant concrete fill?
The one in my heart?
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The Church of the Subgenius is not amused.
Amused by default.
cut em some slack
Several hundred miners from Toula, 1,000 km distant from Chernobyl, hand dug a 150 meter tunnel to directly under the destroyed number four reactor. At the end of the tunnel they dug, again by hand, a 30 meter long by 30 meter wide by 2 meter high chamber that was supposed to house the liquid nitrogen cooling system you are referring to. The complex liquid nitrogen cooling system was ultimately not used and the underground chamber was filled with...concrete.
DeeDeeTwo
If I understand this correctly reactors one two and three are now in meltdown. Each article over the last few days stated a different reactor.
dp
Japan Times story this morning that there maybe 1000 bodies in the irradiated zone not just the one the Maiinichi Shimbun reported yesterday.
Most were probably killed by the tsunami but it will be impossible to know as they are all dangerously radioactive now and autopsies too risky. Worse they can't cremate them either and burial would create a nuclear waste site!
I have been attempting to fix this ever since I posted it, but it appears immune to any fixes. I should have posted the original article in the Japan Times, which is referenced at the end of the article. Sorry for this. Just skip to the end, and I'll make a contribution to offset the idiotic bandwidth. Sometimes highlighting and pasting just doesn't deliver what one expects it to do...
thx
Tyler, thank you!
I know you probably want to keep the hyperlinks, but you can cut and paste stuff like this into a text only editor like notepad and then paste into the comment box to drop the formatting stuff.
then put a single link to the original document on the web where the original links will be preserved.
you can cut and paste stuff like this into a text only editor like notepad
You can also simply disable rich-text from the bottom of the comments window. Disabling rich-text also allows you to directly edit and insert html in your comments so you can do things like embed links. Lastly, there is a preview button below the comments window for a reason.
What about embedding images?
Contributors only.
Very well.
The have to do that to keep people from clogging up the page with cherry picked graphs and tittie pics.
Best quote of the day. So true.
And put your posts at the END of the thread where they belong!
If that is the worst thing you do here, you probably don't belong here ;-) Welcome, and don't sweat it.
"When I asked the reporters why they had come so far from Tokyo to hear an American geoscientist, I was told it was because no foreigner had ever come to tell them how dangerous Japan's nuclear power plants are."
And there you have it in spades. Of course Trav says TD and ZH are lying about all of this and spreading hysteria.
hysteria, inarguably...lying? when you attribute something to someone that you know that they did not say, we call that a lie.
Jeezus Trav7777, were you born a douchewad? Can you truly be so ignorant of your own hypocrisy?
When starting to get interested in mushroom collection, I had to admit that most mushrooms do not correspond exactly with the picture I had under the eyes. But a few of them were. That is what is called a fine specimen that exhibit the most characterizing features.
For this poster, it is the same: he is a fine specimen of the US citizens.
Duplicity is high and everything is the fault of others, sequence repeated no matter what he is lying at his feet.
Even US citizens should learn that among them, some embody better the US american spirit and bear with it.
Pretty sure anyone paying attention did. Unfortunately, that number is relatively low.
Breaking:
GTFO out of that entire area, citizens of Japan.
cesium 137
Cesium 137 Isotope Found 25 Miles From Japanese Plant By MATTHEW L. WALD and DAVID JOLLY 17 minutes agodata like this is what is useful in assessing the scope of the disaster
At 3.7 MegaBecquerels of CS-137 at a 1cm distance the gamma dosage is 2.82 mSv/hr OR roughly 1 Sievert in 2 weeks OR about 100 rem over the course of two weeks. Same distances and decay rates yields 74 rads/hour of BETA radiation as well.
They better get the fuck out of there.
Beta Calculator : http://www.radprocalculator.com/Beta.aspx
Gamma Calculator: http://www.radprocalculator.com/Gamma.aspx
we need about 2 more of these and the planet will be gone....this is beyond serious
Uhhh...no. We had dozens of times this in the 50's when we tested nukes above ground.
The significance of this is that it is 200km from the largest city on the planet in one of the two countries left on Earth that are still buying treasuries.
There is far more fuel in these reactors than in the bombs. These reactors have 35 years worth of fuel, I read a figure online of the cesium is 270x hiroshima, just 1 year of fuel in the core, not counting the spent fuel pools. It's really the density of the radiation that is the problem, it's like all the nuclear bombs ever tested sitting on a couple acres.
***IAEA: “Uncontrolled nuclear chain reactions” may be coming from melted fuel in No. 1 reactor
March 30th, 2011
Japan Weighs Entombing Nuclear Plant in Bid to Halt Radiation
Bloomberg, March 30, 2011 :
What good will it do to encase anything in concrete when it is on a fault line? The whole damn plant is made of concrete and how long did it last, 30 years? What makes you think they can entomb the radioactive waste for thousands of years?
How do you say " Get out of here Stalker" in Japanese?
Kyoto alert, as of 1016et
radiation levels now 4,385 times legal limit up about 1,000 since the other day.
That's super bullish for stock markets.
Sayonara Japan.
What commission do zerohedge 'consultants' get for suggesting concrete encasement in week 1?
What a total waste of time - and where are these 'experts' who say "this cannot be another Chernobyl'? mmmmmmmmmmm?
This is not bullish, at all.
This is going to be an economic catastrophe for the ages.
Everyone keeps saying this is great for reconstruction, etc.
The Yen is going to be shredded as Japan tries to print itself back into some semblance of normalcy.
The water, drinking and otherwise, is going to be a massive issue, alone.
Agreed, this is an absolute tragedy that will attempt to be papered over with Yen printing.
as all tragedies, inconveniences, and untold numbers of bad policies are handled these days.
Yes, because banksters and financial markets are the only things that matter anymore. Keep those markets going higher so banksters keep making bonuses.
Only way to do that when the real world is crumbling around them is print currency and dump it into those markets ...and into bankster's pockets of course.
The financial camel back of the world is already broken. This straw is about to rip the camel in half.
"Party on Wayne" "Party on Garth"
"Party on Bitchez"
It's no use trying to tell them to get out. I tried to tell a relative's Japanese wife that the government was covering this up and that her family should GTFO back on the 19th. Her response was that they don't want to leave all their friends and family over there.
The Japanese people need to be told what to do by someone in a position of power, who is also of Japanese descent. They will not listen to Gaijin even if it means they will die from this. They would rather die in Japan than in a foreign country. I wished them well... what more can you do?
I really don't see a slab of concrete containing this monster; it's going to crack almost as soon as it dries. This is not going to end well for humanity, let alone the people of Japan.
Had the saem experience with my Japanese business partner. He was here (In India) when it happened. Parents in Tokyo. He sais they will nto move and then spoke of a quick rebound because things were not that bad and they would fight it.
You cannot fight this. In fact you cannot fight anything of thsi scale.
Lateral thinking is lost to the world of engineers. Thus the Concrete it non-solution. As folks pointed out above, look at Chernobyl, 25+ years on, still impacting, leaking, spewing.
The age of what looked like cheap energy is over. An attempt will be made in thsi dying last gasp of the "elite" to shove more expensive volts and dumb wind-mills down our collective thhroats.
Good luck with that and good luck to everyone. We are all going to need it.
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com
ORI,
After reading WB7's "casatration" piece yesterday, this symbolic gesture by the Japan Emperor and Queen may have said more that it was bad.
Perhaps the son is more approachable, but admission of defeat is now in plain sight...de jevu 66 years later!
http://hk.apple.nextmedia.com//images/apple-photos/apple/20110331/small/31wh211p.jpg
A lesson for all? Indeed, good luck to us all, we all need it.
Thanks ZH, for sharing great info.
AUD/JPY is currently jumping. That has been bullish.
Expanding the evacuation zone from 20 km to 40 km, which is a doubling of the radius, results in four times the area of the 20 km evacuation zone!
Was there ever a doubt? ZH called it Spot On 1st!
All Hail Z, All Hail Z !!!!!!!!
Where is New Tokyo going to be built ?
Tripoli.
Telling you, kill two birds with one stone. Have Japan take over Libya rename it and move in. Get the Keynesian GDP boost of rebuilding all those factories in North Africa. Boosts the continents GDP, solves Japans oil needs it's a total winner. And gets another US puppet...err ally in the region. Now the locals may not be happy, but come on. We are the West we don't respect property rights unless you can fend our armies off.
no no no, they already built it in China.
Yeah...you do know Japan and China sorta have a history right? Just going to toss that out, turns out the Chinese are still a little sore over the Rape of Nanking. Thinking a relocation there might involve a fight, neither of which would want.
On the other hand no one in the West cares if brown people are killed so no one would raise a hue and cry about a purging of Libya. Hell spin a line about Japan bringing bibles into Libya and the red idiots will fall over themselves orgasmic in their support. Say they will respect women's rights and the blues will not their approval.
The more I remember about the Japanese, the more I see this as a fitting retribution. From Nanking, to the Phillipines.
Sometimes karma is a bitch.
pods
fuck off.
Most of the affected people had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with Nanking or the Philippines
Correct. Most people have a cross to bear, myself included. Seems whenever people get organized to a certain degree, the individual ceases, and the group can do terrible things.
That is why I said karma.
pods
Excuse me, but what in the fucking fuck are people like you thinking?
Nobody alive today was there when these events happened.
Should we all be condemned for the actions of our ancestors?
Go fuck yourself, sir.
That is what Karma is.
But as a side note, here's a question: people in the US (and some other places) laudated the founding generations of US citizens for their 'hard work', 'ethics' and all that turned the US in that fine place and consider themselves as heirs to the magnificent work accomplished so far (very often to exhibit how some specific populations are going to screw it all)
Now how is it possible to refer to the past and accept the perceived good things as an inheritance while leaving aside the perceived bad things?
People admit they benefit from the 'good' actions of their ancestors, yet do not want to foot the bill for the 'past' actions. Very US citizen indeed but how is it?
In stark contrast to Germany, they as a country, and individually, NEVER admitted to the unspeakable atrocities they committed during WII.
Their emporor continue to worship and glorify the war criminals at the Yasukuni shrine in downtown Tokyo every year.
The old crew and direct descendants still continue to run and rule over their industries and corporations.
And they whitewash their text books of their atrocities so their kids never learn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_history_textbook_controversies
These are present day deeds of the criminals that never atoned for their crimes.
Why do you think people all over asia, other than greedy governments, are still seething in anger?!
Do either of you give a fuck about extraordinary renditions that the US is running into Gitmo and Basra?
Sorry. No play. You are imbeciles.
All nations ar guilty. Don't give us that karma or just retribution bullshit. It's bullshit.
All nations are guilty? Really? If they are not guilty, that's because they do not matter. US citizen logics.
I dont care that much about Gitmo and all the secret prisons. I acknowledge the events as typically US citizen like.
Name calling people does not really answer to my previous question about the inheritance of the past.
And people do not let the Japanese get all the spotlight. The Japanese denial was enabled by the extraordinary behaviour of the US on the case, that cleared the board in exchange of the biological data the Japanese mined during WW2.
People inherit the consequences of their ancestors' actions, not their moral culpability. In the US, we inherited a great deal, based moreso on circumstance (location and natural resources, namely oil) than on our "hard work ethic." Nevertheless we are the recipients of that. It's not good or evil; it's just how it is.
Saying that the Japanese deserve to have their country destroyed by natural disasters and nuclear catastrophe is beyond idiotic. If, say, the people of Nanking had bombed Japan, you might be able to say it was "fitting" in some vague sense, but it is inherently ridiculous to hold someone morally accountable for something they never did.
So I second the hearty f-bombs tossed your way, and suggest that you choke on a penis.
Just heard on NHK that they've detected levels about 1200 times (can't remember exact number) above the legal limit of iodine in the sea 1.7km from the plant. That's not very rapid dispersion, it seems.
Which defines temporary morality then.
After long as the originator of a doing is dead, there is no morality attached to accepting the consequences of the doing.
In other words, someone steals, delays the issue until his death and it is over. At this point, anyone is free from benefiting from the actions with no morality issue as morality is temporal.
Exactly the type of game the US is playing. Which is very funny as the US kind of proclaims to have developped an untemporal morality set, connected to human nature, which is eternal.
And the US inherited mostly what they stole from others.
Never said that the Japanese deserved this or that. Simply stated that Karma was that, pay back for actions in a previous life.
I only questioned the selective attitude of people towards their inheritance.
You're obviously unreasonable and looking for any way you can to whine about US citizens and how evil we are. Every nation has its faults, but if anyone here is being bigoted, it's you. You are ascribing negative qualities to 310 million people based on your personal experiences with a very small subset of that group.
Guess what? Every nation has inherited much of what they don't deserve. If you want to take that route, you can blame every nation in history, and say "karma" ought to punish all of them as well. But your own karmic beliefs are irrational too, because you're not even following your own rules. Karma punishes or rewards people for what they did in a previous life, right? So does that mean, when people are reincarnated, they're only reincarnated as the same nationality? I guess so, if you want to punish the Japanese today for what Japanese people did over a half century ago.
How do you know that the modern Japanese people, at least some of them, aren't reincarnations of the victims of Nanking? Or people who suffered in the Holocaust? Or the Armenian genocide? Hm?
The truth is you just want an excuse to berate people from the US, and apparently the Japanese as well. So I'm done with you.
You are such a dipshit. Where to start?
Have you ever ASKED a Japanese citizen about the atrocities and had them deny them to your face?
Yasukuni Shrine has not been visited by a Japanese emperor since WWII. I beleive even Google could have told you that. Yasukuni is Japan's equivalent of Arlington and was build long before they became famous for war crimes. You don't like war criminals? Track down Curtis LeMay's bones and spit on them then why don't ya? Robert McNamara even called LeMay a war criminal.
You don't think US history books are whitewashed? Step 1: Become literate. Step 2: Go into a high school classroom. Step 3: Crack open a US history book and see how wrong you are.
People all over Asia? The Vietnamese have gotten over it. They are more pissed at us. The Indoesians are STILL grateful for Japan wiping out the Dutch. THe Philippines has moved on. Taiwan never had much of a problem to begin with. Maybe you're refering to the perennially feverish DPRK or PRC spokes-organs.
And now you've wasted 3 minutes of my day, you idiot.
The US duplicity is well known. Us citizens have deep troubles picturing themselves as they are.
This reminded, how does it explain the behaviour of the Japaneses towards their war crimes? Looking for worse is made easy as the US exists but still Japanese could behave.
As to Japanese denying the war crimes, just check the Internet, the Youtube channel or so to find your content. You can grow quite popular to Japanese if you turn into an apologist for their war crimes. They will even translate your video comments in Japanese to get to a Japanese audience.
To a certain degree, we all are condemed for the actions of our ancestors.
And what do you care what I think?
Seems you may have the wrong avatar there joker.
pods
Whilst intelligence can be partially defined as being able to recognise the interconnectedness of events, you're rather barking up the wrong tree here - and doing so in a way that shows up some obviously unattainable aspirations on your part.
Evil you wish on others comes on you.
Yep, karma's a bitch alright.
Better yet, just give them the land around Jerusalem. Why not, its been given away before, and not too long ago. None of the locals there would really have any grounds for legitimate complaint.
Putting Israel in Arab territory went so well. But I do applaud how you enjoy life with all your heavy drinking and pot smoking.
No need to do that, Tokyo is far from Fukushima. Look I know the Japanese government is lying about a lot of stuff, but many comments on here are saying things like tokyo is a ghost town and wrongly claim that the major earthquake hit tokyo(well technically it did, but little damage and no people died). tokyo is fine and well, only people panicking are the foreigners. Yes fukushima-ken is likely going to be a ghost prefecture, but tokyo will stand.
Assuming this thing doesnt' get any worse, right? Well, we're speculators here, if this were a startup I'd bet on at least a 10x valuation in a years time. That's 10x the radiation, just speculating, that'll have a pretty dramatic effect on Tokyo which is already telling babies not to drink the water.
If they found Cesium 137 in significant quantity 25 miles from Fukushima, Tokyo just got a whole lot closer, and that's not considering the ground water, aquifers, rain, wind, or God know's what else has been strewn all about, let alone what's going to continue to belch from this heaping, molten pile of nuclear material.
I would NOT want to be in Japan, let alone Tokyo, now or anywhere in the future.
if they have a cesium problem, they need to start scraping soil now...that shit will sink over time
Kudos to ZH for its prescient coverage of this tragedy.
Prescient? How about only?
I sense a massive money printing effort coming soon.
Concrete cover-up, bitchez!
Don't you mean "fission reaction"?
Nods to David.
"Fission" is correct.
From Mainichi Shimbun.
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The body of an adult man was found on March 27 in Okuma, Fukushima Prefecture, about 5-6 kilometers from the nuclear power plant crippled by the March 11 earthquake and ensuing tsunami. Police officers, clad in protective suits, measured the radiation level of the surface of the body and thought the level was so high that it would be dangerous to carry it. They also feared that the radiation could spread. They put the body in a bag and left it in a building nearby."
are you sure it wasn't blowfish?
Why, oh why, is it:
During this tragedy of epic glow-in-the-dark fail, when I read something like this, why do I instantly think: The Zombie Apocalypse Begins This Way. I guess it's either laugh or cry, or both.
Mutant crying zombies with subzero hedges. bitchez.
Yeah, but these mutant zombies will never get my silver! Never! My precious!
I am sure Max Brooks is already working on a Fukushima updated edition of The Zombie Survival Guide.
This would have been a good idea weeks ago -- now it's a clusterflock of seagulls
Clusterflock of Seagulls.
One of my favourite 80s bands. Had a big hit with the appropriately titled 'I Ran (I ran so far awaaaay....)':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUjIA3Rt7gk
I had the incident filed under the "colossal goatfuck" category a couple of weeks ago.
I used "monkey fucking a football" myself.
I prefer the PC term, Primates Porking Pigskin. Cleans it up for the sensitive types.
Hey, no seagulls. That's my job.
The Japs will do another PR show here. I don't trust them.
Let's see what the sunshine boys have to say now. MELTDOWN;o
She's gone from suck to blow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWNJZrdn7i4
Cemex...buy buy buy!
The terrifying thing is they still don't know exactly why the chain reaction stopped at Chernobyl. I don't think there is any degree of certainty that encasing in concrete is going to work.
was it due to the core being blown all over the place? separate the stuff and the chain is broken...
Concrete isn't even a plausible option - however tempting the "bury it and run away" solution might appear.
It only [half] worked for Chernobyl because the accident had self-stabilized and literally "frozen" - here the cooling efforts must be maintained, or it gets many times worse... fast!
There are thousands of tons of fuel on that site, much of which is now unrecoverable; evacuate, stop the cooling efforts and it would all eventually end up burning in the ground - and the groundwater that close to the shore will be tidal.
I said two weeks ago that reactor 2's parameters showed that it had melted down and was holed at it's base - something that TEPCO have only recently got around to admitting. [Only reported on ZH...]
I still believe that the fuel pond in building 4 went critical on the night of the 15/16th and its 1331 fuel assemblies are now somewhere below that building in the ground. TEPCO claimed that "Lubricating oil spontaneously combusted.." and caused the whole building to melt. [Yeah; right... Where's the soot?]
A dome to contain airborne emissions makes sense - if it's even physically possible - as they will be trapped there for years, fighting to contain an ongoing fiasco of their own making, until the fuel gradually loses its potency.
Good point about the groundwater. That could be the source of some of the inconsistent readings, and of course, the monsoon season is coming.