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Japan Preparing To Launch Quantitative Easing; What Are Three Lost Decades Among Hyperdeflationary Friends

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As if the newsflow from the last few days could get any more surreal, Dow Jones concludes the ticker with this stunner:

Japan Hirano: Expect BOJ Gov, PM To Discuss Quantitative Easing

TOKYO (Dow Jones)--Japan's top government spokesman said he expects Prime
Minister Yukio Hatoyama and Bank of Japan Gov. Masaaki Shirakawa to exchange
opinions on the economy and to discuss the possibility of the central bank
adopting a policy of quantitative easing, local media reported Monday.

The BOJ head and the prime minister will also talk about whether they share
similar views on the economy, Nikkei News cited Chief Cabinet Secretary
Hirofumi Hirano as saying at a press conference earlier in the day.

Questions, questions, questions: Does that mean the Yen will be the carry currency of choice once again? And if so, will the dollar shorts promptly bail as they flee for the traditionally shorted Japanese currency? Will Japan now pay investors to borrow and short its currency? Is Richard Koo, well, Koo-Koo? Just how thin is the thin white line between deflation and dementia-induced hyperdeflation (and here we were thinking only the Chairman was able to come up with such brilliance)? Will Japan issue exclusively dollar denominated debt as this action does nothing to moderate the trade deficit as the world forgets what foreign trade is all about? And will the US return the favor and start raising 30 Year denominated in Yen? Does anybody even give a rat's ass anymore?




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Mon, 11/30/2009 - 00:09 | Link to Comment glenlloyd
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idiocy is obviously contagious.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 07:02 | Link to Comment rigger mortice
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that is a fine summation of the situation.very well put.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 09:39 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 11/30/2009 - 13:59 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 11/30/2009 - 00:14 | Link to Comment Lux Fiat
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Hmmm.  Maybe the $, at least in the short-term, is going to do its best impersonation of Lazarus.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 00:15 | Link to Comment trav777
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Next phase: currency wars.

Japan is legitimately faced with sovereign default if they suffer any material deflation.  They have no choice.

Export economies are on the same path.  This will end...badly.  Everyone wants a weak currency and to fuck their citizens.

If this drives the dollar up the Fed will respond with outright printing.  Nobody can tolerate deflation, not China, not the US, not Japan, not nobody.  They're either in massive debt or else dependent upon that same debt for their export ponzi

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 00:22 | Link to Comment truont
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Yup.  There has been speculation for weeks that Japan would do something to defend their export-based economy.  Their export-industries were getting creamed by the plummeting dollar.  Enter the competitive devaluation rate to the bottom!  Who can print fiat the fastest?! 

Got gold?

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 00:36 | Link to Comment trav777
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Everyone will push on the string with the money flood.

Problem...all the money in the world doesn't matter once the earth passes peak energy.  At that point, from there forward, infinity dollars at 0% WILL NOT make more net energy supply manifest itself. 

There's a nice thesis over on TF saying what I've been saying for 5 years - energy is what causes economic growth, not interest rate regimes.  In fact, the author relates GDP to energy consumption as a freaking CONSTANT.

Energy is what does things, money isn't.  A grumbling stomach does not make a sandwich appear.  Demand does not cause supply irrespective of credit and money.

Without a new, growable energy source, the world economy has peaked.  They can offer a bazillion dollars to anyone to get more net oil out of Cantarell or Burgan or Ghawar next year than last and it cannot be done.  Helium peaked in 2002, now, go ahead, offer $1T interest free to someone to produce more helium this year than last...can't be done.

The earth decides what it will supply, we do not.

And, without increases in the single critical input that does all the doing, energy, there will no additional economic activity in the aggregate.

As EROI slides down to unity, new economic activity becomes marginally ever less profitable; thus, the insane leverage ratios and synthetic economics needed to maintain the credit system against its own weight.

In a way, the barely economic nature of sovereign bonds now creates their own low rate regime because to make any profit, you simply have to lever and buy gazillions of them.

In the end, this will result in a complete rogue wave, spectacular collapse of paper everywhere.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 00:59 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 11/30/2009 - 02:43 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 11/30/2009 - 08:58 | Link to Comment Invisible Hand
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Build Nucs.  Drill on the continental shelf (everywhere).  Use coal. (AGW is--mostly--a hoax, y'know)

We have the answers if we will just use them.  Is America joining the largest suicide pact in history?  Looks like it.  The biggest problem is that you get to join (even if you don't agree) just because you live here.

At least I'm old so they can't take that much of my life.  Sorry for you young folks.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 12:44 | Link to Comment WaterWings
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"Now leaving Prosperity. Next stop, Jonestown."

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 12:12 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Sun, 06/20/2010 - 19:51 | Link to Comment Unscarred
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Peak Intelligence

Global Dimming

Classic.  I'm gonna use those going forwards if you don't mind.

+2

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 04:30 | Link to Comment Assetman
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Energy is, indeed, a limited resource.

Now being creative and inventing new ways to exploit energy resources are abundant.  It's time that's the constrining factor.

As for expected ROI, producers will invest if the see a strong enough incentive for profit.  As a global resource, oil is a prime example of global supply and demand in action.  If supply is shrinking, demand will need to follow-- or prices will go higher... perhaps much higher.

But as a result, energy consumption habits will change as well-- and quite likely-- more time and effort will be spent on advancing alterative energy resources and more advanced exploitation techniques. 

It's advances in technology and a possible buildout of new infrastructure to support it that will alter the peak energy equation.  Although I do think that energy consumption habits will change drastically as the supply variable shrinks (i.e., nat gas cars and riding buses will be more common).

At the end of the day, if one can economically exploit the hydrogen atom, peak energy won't be an issue.  We are a long, long ways from that, I'm afraid.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 10:14 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 11/30/2009 - 12:25 | Link to Comment PierreLegrand
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NO you miss the point! Central Planning has NEVER worked! It is a scam. The sole purpose of the scam is to enrich bureaucrats and the politicians who support them. Whenever someone starts quoting ridiculous nonsense about energy I remember all the times in the past we have been DOOMED DOOMED I tell you to run out of energy.

Oil was worthless until a man with mind decided to turn it into something useful. What you should be clamoring for is FREEDOM so that we can invent out way out of these mess. The statists INTENT is to destroy this economy...never let a crisis go unused.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 13:09 | Link to Comment trav777
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I hear idiots all the time implying that energy supply can grow forever.

Tell me that you believe that exponential growth can be indefinitely sustained within a finite system.

That is IDIOTIC.

Yet that is what EVERY SINGLE PERSON who denies the concept of Peak Oil does.

At some point, net energy supply will peak.  The world will have bazillions of barrels left, they just cannot be supplied at a faster rate than before.

Shit, look at it this way...there are essentially INFINITE reserves of methane on Titan.  What is the MAXIMUM rate of supply of those infinite reserves that we can achieve?

THAT is an example of how peak and reserves are irrelevant to one another.  What matters ONLY is how fast something can be supplied, not how much of it exists.

BTW, gold peaked in 2000 - look it up.  Supply achieved a maxima in 2000 and has declined since.  Helium peaked in 2002 - look it up.

The US peaked in oil in 1970.  The USSR in 1989.  54/65 oil producing nations are in supply decline.  I'm sure they'd LOVE to produce more next year than last but they CANNOT.  That is the reality of finite and of REAL science like geology and thermodynamics, as opposed to BULLSHIT like economics.

You mfers are implying that if we just all collectively WISH hard enough, we can violate the laws of physics!

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 12:39 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Tue, 12/01/2009 - 04:10 | Link to Comment Assetman
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Simple questions, my @$$.

I grasp the issues much more comprehesively than you think.  If we are moving in a direction as fast and furious as you imply, we revert back to a global society well before it became oil-based. 

That means inefficient food production and possbile global famine, perhaps resulting in a real decimation of the global population and a non-productiveness at night.  So, not to belittle the point of peak oil, that's pretty gnarly stuff.  We lived much of the 1800's that way... China lived most of the 1900's accordingly.

But again, this is an issue that will be knocking on our door for quite some time.  Demand destruction and a fundamental change in consumption habits is underestimated, perhaps because it's been over 40 years since we've forced ourselves into a real conservation effort.  But that will be a reality under a lower supply umbrella.  The salient point is that economics of it will really hit home (and you might agree with this)-- the hope is that it comes sooner than you think.

And given the economics behind it, there will be a frantic push to develop alternatives and there will be an increaing reliance on substitution, especially in transportation (eg. natural gas) and in power generation (coal, nuclear).  Either we get there or we don't.  My bet is we get there techologically, but it will be a challenging transition.  

Quite frankly, I'm much more worried about potable water supply than I am about oil.

 

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 12:22 | Link to Comment trav777
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Energy consumption habits WILL change.  Just as eating habits of people in famine plagued regions change!  LOL

The earth gives us as much oil as it wants, not the other way around.

Technological advances will not suffice here; we have to have a quantum leap.  Nuclear power is not a solution.

OK, here's where everyone goes wrong:  they CONTINUE to assert we can just build nuke plants.  OK, that's HALF the problem.  As oil supply declines inexorably we MUST replace not only the energy BTUs lost due to supply decline but we must also meet our GROWTH EXPECTATIONS to sustain the ponzi that is the industrial revolution!

If we can economically "exploit" the hydrogen atom?  LOL.  How about antigravity while we're up?

There aren't any hydrogen atoms just laying around.  Unfortunately, economists don't seem to understand thermodynamics.  What a bunch of jackasses

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 14:13 | Link to Comment aaronvelasquez
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With enough nuclear power plant devoted to cracking water and extracting hydrogen, one could conceivably develop a hydrogen economy and circumvent the burning of coal and oil (and wood, I suppose).  However, check out "Deep Hot Biosphere" and consider whether Peak Oil might be part of the Global Warming morass that is now being reviewed by all and sundry and their dogs.  

I suspect there is far more oil, coal and gas out there than the ecologists would like to admit.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 15:08 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Mon, 11/30/2009 - 11:54 | Link to Comment trav777
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are you effing crazy?

Free mind?  WTF is this "the Secret" bullshit?

Free minds need to go visit Cantarell.

Try driving your car across the street with your free mind powering the motor.

Does you free mind lift concrete?  Can it melt steel?  Does it power vehicles?

God, I hope you were being sarcastic.  Wishes of man do not dictate reality.  Free fucking mind ROTFL

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 01:19 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Mon, 11/30/2009 - 12:13 | Link to Comment trav777
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can't remember the thread, sorry.

EROI is easy to look up...once you understand the relationship between EROI and economic growth you will be much further along into understanding how a ponzi finally collapses

EVERY SINGLE ponzi collapses when the necessary inputs cannot be achieved from the finite system in which it operates.  Every ponzi is functionally an exponential growth problem where the SYSTEM requires a doubling of inputs along a predictable growth interval.  At SOME POINT, EVERY SINGLE finite system achieves headroom. 

If you must grow your ponzi inputs by 10% next year (on a 7.2yr doubling interval), and there are not 10% more people to sucker into the ponzi, it collapses.  Simple as that.

Dividing bacteria eventually fill up the bottle.  They cannot grow more within that finite system.  Exponential growth is what economic "growth" is.  We expect a certain rate, which gives a certain doubling factor.

People don't seem to be able to grasp what growth means and what growth requires.  Study the old parable of the indian king, the rice, and the chessboard.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 03:06 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Mon, 11/30/2009 - 12:06 | Link to Comment trav777
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Are you stupid?

I thought I was abundantly clear...we achieved a peak in terms of energy production, and against THAT realization, a future of sustained growth is impossible.  The instantaneous supply/demand equation is immaterial to that.

SURE, mfer, we can grow like a dead cat bounce off this recession's bottom, STRAIGHT BACK INTO THE ENERGY SUPPLY CURVE which sits overhead.  Then we end up right back where we started, unable to grow beyond that. 

Tankers sitting out there full of oil...lol.  Have you ANY clue what world consumption is?  You'd need FORTY VLCCs loaded up to even account for one DAY of consumption.  EVERY DAY.

Efficiency gains do not lead to less consumption; they don't change the picture much at all.  Freakin look at consumption per capita over time if you do not believe me.

I am tired of dealing with fucking nitwits who do not have the vaguest clue about energy supply or demand and who think we can just freaking print oil or other real things, who don't understand what debt IS and what it means and how it works.

The ponzi bubble is the problem, EXACTLY...but you don't know WHY it's a problem, do you?

Why is excess debt a problem?  Why can't we just fuckin GROW our way out of it?  Use YOUR freakin brain

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 13:04 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 11/30/2009 - 14:39 | Link to Comment trav777
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LOSE composure, ok??  The word is LOSE, not LOOSE.

Besides, I didn't LOSE composure, that's just the way I respond to patronizing comments

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 03:17 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Mon, 11/30/2009 - 00:22 | Link to Comment spekulatn
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Does anybody even give a rat's ass anymore?

 

No.


Mon, 11/30/2009 - 00:31 | Link to Comment truont
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Well, if the dollar is dethroned as the currency carry trade, then the dollar index could go up in a hurry from the dollar-short covering and deleveraging.  Then whatever assets that the borrowed dollars went in would go down in price.  It is not an issue now but it is best to pay attention to any further developments...

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 00:25 | Link to Comment carbonmutant
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Well it's either print or buy dollars...

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 14:14 | Link to Comment aaronvelasquez
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Or both. At the same time.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 00:38 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 11/30/2009 - 00:44 | Link to Comment cocoablini
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I expect neither. I see the uncontrollable EURO as a flight to safety-and the EUROPEAN UNION going through a huge divorce as Ireland,Greece,Italy and Spain(the dogs of Europe)careen into depression because whatever little they make cannot be exported. The age of FIAT currency is rolling over-it will be a decade or more but FIAT is essentially dead now. Grab gold,silver,rocks,hookers,BBQ's and anything of value. It's over.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 00:54 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 11/30/2009 - 00:47 | Link to Comment SayTabserb
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Another step on the path toward worldwide barter economies. How much can Fuld get for his rug?

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 01:03 | Link to Comment Thaisleeze (not verified)
Mon, 11/30/2009 - 09:51 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 11/30/2009 - 13:14 | Link to Comment trav777
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Priced in what?  Sovereign debt promises that can only be paid at par if there's aggregate economic growth?  Ink on paper?

LOL.

Gold's going to get priced in oil or wheat or people's nubile daughters and vice versa

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 01:03 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 11/30/2009 - 01:21 | Link to Comment Shiznit Diggity
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2 points:

It's Richard Koo, not Robert.

If the PM and BOJ Governor are meeting, all it means is that the gov't is (still) pressuring the BOJ to be more accommodative. It doesn't necessarily mean that the BOJ will play ball. The BOJ gained independence relatively recently and they take their independence much more seriously than the Fed does. You can't take it for granted that the BOJ will do what the gov't wants.

 

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 01:23 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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HI! TUMBLINGDICE HERE WITH A GREAT NEW WAY TO SOLVE ECONOMY!

INTRODUCING, QUANTATATIVE EASING! WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT THE SOLUTION WAS THIS SIMPLE: FREE MONEY! IT COMES RECOMMENDED BY EXPERTS AS BEN BERNANKE, TIMOTHY GEITHNER, JAPAN AND EVERY BANKRUPT STATE EVER! JUST APPLY QUANTATATIVE EASING TO THE OPEN GASH IN YOUR ECONOMY AND WATCH IT FESTER! FOR THE ONE TIME (permanent) PRICE OF TURNING YOUR WHOLE ECONOMY INTO A MORAL HAZARD, YOU TOO CAN ENJOY THE CONTINUED BENEFITS OF HAVING A CARTEL RUN YOUR MONETARY SYSTEM.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 01:40 | Link to Comment kurt_cagle
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+1 (or, to borrow Marla's Captcha: -59 - (-60)

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 01:30 | Link to Comment Tahoe
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what r we going to end up with a american-japanese spaghetti western with dueling printing machines?  I'll put my money on the japanese technology beating the ole printing presses in Washington, but anything can happen.  as has been said, this will end too, babdly.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 01:43 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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The race to the fx bottom continues unabated with the ECB fashionably late as ever.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 04:05 | Link to Comment Assetman
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Correct.  The Japanese are flirting with upping the ante, as they are being strangled with the giant US/China pissing match.  Exports to both countries must be really hurting Japan's domestic economy, and the benefits of lower import prices (i.e. oil) only go so far on a society of savers.

So it's back to QE for Japan... or it's severe deflation.  Not a good choice for a country with high sovereign debt levels.  Can you imagine where their sovereign CDS goes if/when QE is actually announced?

Again, I think we are entering a very dangerous phase of this global recession... and there are risk assets that are priced way too high for this.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 12:44 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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The quandary shared by the trade weighted worlds, both raw materials and finished goods (with the intermediate & finished goods world, especially regional intermediate & finished goods producers leading at this particular juncture) outside of the Anglo-Saxon financial worlds is reaching an intermediate inflection point.  I cannot but consider that these effects go hand in hand with the efforts to create asset class inflation, especially in emerging markets.  As you note, some asset class valuations appear to be in mismatch given the underlying facts as they are generally understood.  This, in conjunction with the rolling variations in sovereign CDS spreads presents a potentially excellent place to further my own research.

Have an interesting and profitable week Assetman.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 01:49 | Link to Comment dark pools of soros
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rats asses up pre-market - but most likely sell deep into the news and become worthless again by end of week 

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 01:55 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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lol

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 02:47 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 11/30/2009 - 02:55 | Link to Comment CombustibleAssets
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Well, quantitative easing did help Japanese deflation when they first tried it. Since the deflationary presssures have returned it's logical to assume they would try it again.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 03:04 | Link to Comment Burnbright
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Yes, because lost decades really help economies grow and flourish.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 09:05 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Mon, 11/30/2009 - 03:27 | Link to Comment hooligan2009
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wait wait wait...it get better...this is a real letter..i think the ackowledgement has come..just waiting for the plan now!

 

NIGEL JOHNSON-HILL,

PARKFARM, MILLAND, LIPHOOK GU30 7JT

Rt Hon David Miliband MP
Secretary of State.
Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (DEFRA),
Nobel House
17 Smith Square
London
SW1P 3JR

16 July 2009

Dear Secretary of State,

My friend, who is in farming at the moment, recently received a cheque for £3,000 from the Rural Payments Agency for not rearing pigs. I would now like to join the "not rearing pigs" business.

In your opinion, what is the best kind of farm not to rear pigs on, and which is the best breed of pigs not to rear? I want to be sure I approach this endeavour in keeping with all government policies, as dictated by the EU under the Common Agricultural Policy.

I would prefer not to rear bacon pigs, but if this is not the type you want not rearing, I will just as gladly not rear porkers. Are there any advantages in not rearing rare breeds such as Saddlebacks or Gloucester Old Spots, or are there too many people already not rearing these?

As I see it, the hardest part of this programme will be keeping an accurate record of how many pigs I haven't reared. Are there any Government or Local Authority courses on this?

My friend is very satisfied with this business. He has been rearing pigs for forty years or so, and the best he ever made on them was £1,422 in 1968. That is - until this year, when he received a cheque for not rearing any.

If I get £3,000 for not rearing 50 pigs, will I get £6,000 for not rearing 100?  I plan to operate on a small scale at first, holding myself down to about 4,000 pigs not raised, which will mean about £240,000 for the first year. As I become more expert in not rearing pigs, I plan to be more ambitious, perhaps increasing to, say, 40,000 pigs not reared in my second year, for which I should expect about £2.4 million from your department. Incidentally, I wonder if I would be eligible to receive tradable carbon credits for all these pigs not producing harmful and polluting methane gases?

Another point: These pigs that I plan not to rear will not eat 2,000 tonnes of cereals. I understand that you also pay farmers for not growing crops. Will I qualify for payments for not growing cereals to not feed the pigs I don't rear?

I am also considering the "not milking cows" business, so please send any information you have on that too. Please could you also include the current Defra advice on set aside fields? Can this be done on an e-commerce basis with virtual fields (of which I seem to have several thousand hectares)?

In view of the above you will realise that I will be totally unemployed, and will therefore qualify for unemployment benefits.  I shall of course be voting for your party at the next general election.
 

Yours faithfully,
 
 
Nigel Johnson-Hill

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 09:02 | Link to Comment gatopeich
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+1

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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These are private secrete scams that are not meant for wide public consumption. Please disreguard this knowledge and maintain these rules for only the small few they are intended for. Do you NOT know what a government is for. Do not get everyone you know to go on massive government program assaults forcing us to close these loopholes.

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 03:36 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Mon, 11/30/2009 - 05:22 | Link to Comment Jim ODonnell
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Time has come to encourage these assholes to do ANYTHING which will disable their ability to operate but which they already agree to in "their theories" of economics. Since hyper-inflation is well on its way, why not Japan also?

Some ideas they can consider:

[1] Help Real Estate Prices: A FED funds rate of -10% on banks which agree to grant -5% mortgages for 30 years. A "consumer" if they borrow NINJA style $10 million for a home will now be a millionare and have to pay taxes on their $1 million annual "mortgage interest income." Also will "help" the banks as they will also "earn" $1 million on the mortgage. Don't worry, the FED will just print it all. 

[2] Free Gold For Everyone: The Treasury will issue claims on its [non-existant] gold stock to each citizen in the amount of $1 million which will serve as collateral for any loan by law. These can be traded on the COMEX for zero margin but only at prices which equal the price of actual physical gold which is trading only in China now.

[.....]

I'll stop with these two, but a can think of a million more easily.

  

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 09:56 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Mon, 11/30/2009 - 09:13 | Link to Comment gatopeich
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This makes me feel dizzy... What's to stop every central banker in the world from deflating the currencies in a mad race?

I can't think of a reason. Just maybe if Bernanke gets publicly and summarily... (You know what).

On a side note, why this had to happen precisely to my generation? Some of us are supporting parents who went bankrupt after years of spending as much as they wanted... It is not like "the grandsons of the grandsons will pay".

Mon, 11/30/2009 - 09:51 | Link to Comment junkacc
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Looks like gen X gets phuked everyway.

 

Next step: get rounded up by me-me-gen Y into FEMA camps.

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Mon, 11/30/2009 - 14:50 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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LOL

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