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Japanese Metropolitan Radiation Readings Spike Once Again, As Wind Turns Toward Land

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One of the Fukushima fallout's saving graces so far has been that the winds over Japan had traditionally been blowing radiation out to sea and away from major cities. Alas, as the meteorological office indicates, this is no longer the case and border breezes are now tugging each and every way, with the result being a lot of the radiation already accumulated east over the Pacific coming back with a vengeance. Unfortunately,the latest SPEEDI readings, indicate that the expected jump in gamma radiation has indeed been confirmed with reading every ten minutes over Ibaraki surging from mid triple digits over the past several days, to nearly 3000 nGy/h. While in the grand scheme of things this is still not a material threshold reading, it does confirm that the NPP continues to leak a dangerous amount of radiation, and the only key variable is the wind direction. Should winds continue to blow from the sea, it is only a matter of time before more and more Tokyo residents ask themselves if it is worth finding out if the government is lying about this latest data figure.

From SPEEDI, the latest print out:

A continuously updated spreadsheet of radiation counts over all prefectures - link.

And the latest windmap:

 

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Sun, 03/20/2011 - 17:55 | 1079601 Malcolm Tucker
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AMAZING speech by a brave Iraq war veteran. So inspiring!

http://fedupmontrealer.blogspot.com/2011/03/amazing-speech-by-war-veteran.html

I can see clearly now...

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:09 | 1079624 Ahmeexnal
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Nice speech. Let's see if it evolves from there. Or if it ends in just another speech.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:15 | 1079641 mrgneiss
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What happened to the other radiation post?  It looked interesting and I didn't get a chance to read it..................did the MIT legal dept. call by chance?

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 23:51 | 1080581 dick cheneys ghost
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for those who have not seen it, National Radiation Map, updated every minute. We have moved the blog.......

 

http://nakedempire2.blogspot.com/2011/03/national-radiation-map.html

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 03:13 | 1080871 herewego...
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True, radioactive rain in that area is something to worry about. Folks should stay indoors and keep windows closed. This is not your usual scaremongering, and those simple measures will help.

But please note: IN THAT AREA. Not elsewhere.

BBC - Japan nuclear threat: The tsunami is the bigger tragedy

By David Spiegelhalter, Professor of the Public Understanding of Risk, Cambridge University

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12785274

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 09:21 | 1081336 Bicycle Repairman
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"BBC - Japan nuclear threat: The tsunami is the bigger tragedy"

No doubt it is, but the tsunami damage is the rug under which the nuclear damage will be swept.  Act of G-d.  What are ya gonna do?

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:49 | 1079740 Golden monkey
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Faggot voiced. Should join the secret service, to provide Obama close "protection".

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:59 | 1079923 Bob
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I don't know if that's in any way representative, but I find it interesting to see that the "experts" being hawked as representatives of good judgment on nuclear risks by the corporate media are technical experts.  Nerds. 

I don't think nerds are the people I want making decisions profoundly affecting people, knowhutimean? 

Technocrats have little rightful role in decisions like those.  They tend to be freaks--even the ones who aren't sock puppets of sociopathic corporate interests. 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 20:07 | 1079952 Flakmeister
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Catch-22 my friend... Anyone who is capable of commenting on the techical aspects appears to be compromised in your view.

Be careful not to paint with too broad a brush....

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 20:26 | 1079992 Bob
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What is acceptable risk for society is not a technical decision is what I'm saying.  They're being thrust onto the podium as if they operate upon some superior scale and speak for higher social consciousness by virtue of technical knowledge.  I was being tongue in cheek about nerds . . . until I really thought about it. 

Sorry, I've known too many Ph.D.'s. 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 22:00 | 1080306 beanieville
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Ph.D. Jim Berkland:

Massive earthquake to hit California between march 19 to 26.
http://tinyurl.com/4upfcwm

 

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 00:27 | 1080642 Flakmeister
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I've noticed a big difference between public and private Ph.Ds... The private ones sold their soul to a certain extent, esp. if they are working any where near their field... The academics are much more in tune with your line of thought..

All the time, keeping in mind, the brush is fairly large.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 09:24 | 1081343 Bicycle Repairman
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Catch-22?  Hardly.  The technical details are trivia in the end.  Those who know such details are obviously part of the system and are completely and irreparably biased.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 09:29 | 1081363 Flakmeister
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You do have strong opinions on things you know nothing about... You are a poster boy for the Downing Effect....

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 20:09 | 1079953 barkingbill
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go to afghanistan yourself monkey boy and maybe some friendly fire will put an end to your arrogance. 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:51 | 1079746 reader2010
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He couldn't understand they need perpetual wars for profit$. War is peace.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:58 | 1079924 oh_bama
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QE!! ONLY QE can save JAPAN!!

BOJ: YOU GUYS NEED TO PRINT 1 quardrillion yen!! 100 TRILLION IS NOT ENOUGH!!!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 21:19 | 1080164 Gimp
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Good speech but the question is nothing has changed in the last 1,000+ years. The elite always get the  poor, working class stiffs to fight the wars. War to the wealthy means one thing - transfer of assets -   now get out and vote every election and let's keep replacing the bums in office till we get somebody decent.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:00 | 1079603 Dr. Porkchop
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Blowback bitchez!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:04 | 1079607 M4570D0N
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Those figures (30-90nGy/h) are essentially harmless. That is not a high amount. At all. 30nGy/h = 0.000003 rem/h

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:06 | 1079621 nwskii
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spoken like a true politician, next your going to say that radioactive iodine in my water is good for me

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:12 | 1079803 Brother can you...
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It is, if they mix it just right with the flouride, it's tastes like kool-aid... yummmmy

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 20:12 | 1079956 M4570D0N
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Ok, genius. Show me how that level is harmful.

A nuclear plant worker is not allowed to have more than 5 rem/year exposure. That's 0.000570776 rem/hr, or 190 times more than 30nGy/h and 63 times more than 90nGy/h.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 20:35 | 1080028 d_senti
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Obviously no one thinks those levels (which are just background) are harmful. The concern is about the areas where they've shown 4000 ngy/h. If they SHOW that level, then what would you guess the level is in the "under survey" prefectures? You say correctly that around 5700/hr is the harmful threshold, and we can be certain that it's been over 4000 in at least 3 prefectures for days. That's the real issue, genius. Elementary math skills aren't all that's required to understand what's happening there.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 21:43 | 1080262 Cursive
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@M4570D0N

Fuck your analysis of the readings.  If Japanese passengers deplaning at O'Hare set off radioactivity alarms, that's enough for me.  Oh, and just for good measure, China is sending back planes to Japan because the readings are too great.  That's not a win for the Nipponese.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 00:27 | 1080647 Flakmeister
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I set off the scanner once at a lab once, 1 week after I had a bone scan. The dectectors are very good...

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 22:01 | 1080313 LeBalance
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/anology ON/

I have in my hand a small speck of shit.  I dissolve it in a bucket of water and you drink it over several days.  But the fun part is; I never told you about the shit.

How much shit would you really prefer eating?

Some, alot, or zero?

/anology OFF/

Got Beef?

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 22:48 | 1080444 herewego...
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Heh, love the anology. Is that why you sleep alone?

Sleeping next to someone is 0.05 Silverts radiation.

http://blog.xkcd.com/2011/03/19/radiation-chart/

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 23:30 | 1080527 MSimon
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Shit is part of food. Don't like it? Stop eating.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:16 | 1079804 Bob
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I suspected as much and when Tyler acknowledged that it was not material, I was glad I didn't have to bother doing the conversion.  I think the operative variable in his analysis is the wind, whose whims effectively determine radiation concentrations.  Even if that particular data set is legit.  Another major venting of radiation at the plants on a day when the wind is not friendly will likely be a much worse day in Tokyo. 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:22 | 1079826 Judge Judy Scheinlok
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I believe Tyler puts it out there for us to digest.

Some do not believe the official number that are being released. Some have proof that they are fictitious.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:27 | 1079842 Yen Cross
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fictitious Judy! Party time.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:36 | 1079864 Bob
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People quibble when they're small.  Tens of thousands of people in metro Tokyo are wearing personal dosimeters.  This is a culture where people wearing surgical masks on a good day of summer draw no looks--because they're actually common.  In combination with such locals, there are the western corporate media hawkers who are wearing them on air (and they are still on air from Tokyo.)  When concentrations/levels become material, the word will get out quick. 

But if you watch the plant drama and know the winds, it gets real simple. 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 21:41 | 1080195 herewego...
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NW Pacific Wind Chart

http://magicseaweed.com/msw-surf-charts2.php?chart=50&res=750&type=wind&...

Some more wind data for y'all. Winds are blowing generally away from Tokyo. Though further south the winds are, at the moment, going against the prevailing east to west direction.

What we are dealing with here is prevailing winds caused by the rotation of the Earth. These generally blow away from Tokyo.

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Additionally, the radiation levels are so small outside of a 20k radius (aside from occasional spikes) that Tokyo is not and will not be in danger, even if the Earth suddenly starts spinning the other way round and Tokyo gets a constant breeze from the plant.

Can we stop blowing the alarmist trumpet now? Even the MSM has moved on now they have something else to get their page-views from.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 23:01 | 1080475 Oligarchs Gone Wild
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Whenever I need meteorological data in the future, I'll make sure I bookmark magicseaweed.com, your first stop in wind forecasting products. 

I am Cowabunga dude.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:27 | 1079684 Oligarchs Gone Wild
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Winds definitely showing out of the Northeast, more real time data w/ wind direction.

http://bit.ly/fbR2e2

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:33 | 1079854 Yen Cross
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Putin Jailed all of them. Or he used umbrellas to inject radioactive isotopes into his adversaries. Love that Red(water based) paint on the Kremlin. Does it come with the matching Siberian Tiger?

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:06 | 1079615 Rockfish
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Nothing like a slow low drip of Rads, you won't even notice the build up.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:06 | 1079616 Jim in MN
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It was ad seeing the chief of the Tokyo Fire Department choke up (not weep like the TEPCO director) as he said "I am very sorry for the families left behind."  The cream of the country's largest fire department is being sacrificed to try to save the Kanto Plain (Japan's largest arable/buildable area) from significant contamination.  Along with the TEPCO workers.

Best of luck to them.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:06 | 1079623 Rockfish
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+1000 Heros.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:12 | 1079627 cossack55
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Too bad Lloyd is doing "Gods work".  I guess these poor schlubs are doing "BoJs" work. Bankers need to die soon(radiation sickness has a kind of happy karma ring).

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 21:57 | 1080303 herewego...
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Thanks for the heads up on the Kanto Plain - it looked like an agri centre but I couldn't be sure. 

Back of the envelope calculations I made before this new data suggests a loss of 50% of that region's agriculture due to saltwater inundation. This will reduce rice production in the short term at a time when the price is going up anyway. Looks like even more of Thailand's rice will go to Japan.

You are right about the workers and firemen being heroes, and the sacrifice they are making.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:06 | 1079619 PY-129-20
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Japan nuclear crisis: 'Fukushima Fifty' cut off from family

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8393018/Japan-nucle...

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:07 | 1079620 Boilermaker
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Futures are UP and climbing, of course.  The world's largest city becoming a toxic wasteland is great for equities.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:13 | 1079637 Larry Darrell
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Not just futures up on worthless dollar.

Silver got a nice opening bid.

 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:13 | 1079642 Boilermaker
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One makes perfect sense and one doesn't.  I'll wager that the TSE also goes up.  In fact, just take that wager across the board on literally everything.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:22 | 1079672 A Man without Q...
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I think it's a bank holiday in Japan today, but the boys in Sydney have the futures up a good 2%.  The financial markets continue to wage battle against reality - Sunday night is always their favorite time.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:26 | 1079686 EscapeKey
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It's not a fight against reality, it's the onset of inflation.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:34 | 1079707 robertocarlos
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TD Bank calls for 8% food inflation in the next 2 months.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:35 | 1079713 Boilermaker
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Kind of...if we hadn't already doubled the equities.  Seriously, how disconnected can it get?  Can they literally ramrod it to 20,000?

 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:48 | 1079741 A Man without Q...
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How long are we going to continue this fantasy that input price inflation and no rise in incomes or debt, is good for equities?  

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:50 | 1079744 EscapeKey
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That's basically what historic evidence tells us; equities will go up in nominal terms.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:25 | 1079837 A Man without Q...
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Not really - historical evidence tells us it's complicated.  Is it demand pull inflation (great for equities as you can maintain margins) or cost push (not good as margins get depressed and the pv of future cash flows is reduced by the higher real yield).  Also, recent inflation has been limited to certain markets, Southern Europe, prior Euro, Latam, Turkey other emerging markets, where most large listed equities are exporters, so the inflation is in many ways currency weakness, therefore the equities benefit in local currency real terms.  The only period similar to today was around the oil shocks of 73, and this was not a good time for equities, with recovery only really coming at the end of the decade, as interest rates started to trend down...

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:52 | 1079745 Boilermaker
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Longer...evidently.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:39 | 1079874 Yen Cross
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I'll take that wager. Risk reward and all.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:17 | 1079647 SilverRhino
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Silver is up too.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:23 | 1079831 Ruffcut
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Don't worry Rhino. Jpm will wake up and try to stomp on it.

Silver and Gold, Silver and Gold, bitchez.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:19 | 1079655 Cdad
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Boiler,

I think it is part of the natural order of things in this wasteland that Ben Bernanke made.  It is the death of the market's credibility, the end of government credibility, the wasteland that once was the trust between borrowers and bankers. 

We saw it most clearly in the Japanese markets when the tsunami had come...the algo marking the entire country down 14% in a matter of hours, followed by a 4% bounce and the rise of legions of sick criminal syndicate Wall Street bankers calling the situation "bullish because of infrastructure rebuilding" before the death toll had even hit 100.  I rather think credibility is also gone in Japan now...with many more places to follow.

That E minis can catch a bid on Sunday night could be the weakest and the most simple-minded and paniced people of all looking for safety...but it says nothing about the state of things or the "value" of equity futures.

We have all known how this would end [not well]...and it seems to me that the end game is already afoot.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:23 | 1079669 cossack55
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Very well stated, Cdad. Poignant. Damn near beautiful.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:25 | 1079674 Boilermaker
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I doubt that Uncle Ben did it single-handedly but I'm sure he 'quarterbacked' the effort along with the other scum that speak different languages.  A destruction of market and government credibility *should* drop equities and sharply along with government issued debt.  But, it doesn't, it just continues to climb.

I generally agree with almost everything you said except for the thought that equities represent the entire wealth of a nation.  That's not valid, IMO.  Equity values can go into the shitter while tangible assets stay fixed.  Their perceived value my go down but, generally, so does everything else.

This is just an enormous bag of shit at this point.  I don't know whether to be enraged, sad, or scared.  Probably, a good cocktail of all three is the best elixir.

What a fucking joke this has become.  Every week you think you've seen the most blantant shit...until the next week arrrives.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:28 | 1079693 cosmictrainwreck
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yep... "I swear! I'll never do it again! (till next time)"

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:57 | 1079758 A Man without Q...
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In the good old days, the thing that mattered with blue chip stocks was dividends, because this actually transfered to money in the pocket.  Now it's all about notional values, and we only have more money if we sell or if we borrow against it.  The last 2 decades have all been about the latter, and now we are at debt saturation point.  All we are left with is trying to prop up the solvency of pension funds and masking the failure of inept politicians.  Oh, and Brent Crude's up to $116 as well, so we must all be rich!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:38 | 1079872 Founders Keeper
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[In the good old days, the thing that mattered with blue chip stocks was dividends, because this actually transfered to money in the pocket.]---A Man without Q...

Wow, seems like forever since I heard the term "blue ship stocks." Each day feels like a week.

Thanks for your post, Q.

 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 20:37 | 1080034 Yen Cross
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Circular?

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:08 | 1079789 buzzsaw99
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I doubt that Uncle Ben did it single-handedly but I'm sure he 'quarterbacked' the effort...

 

The Bernank is a water boy.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 21:11 | 1080137 Moe Howard
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+Shalom

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 23:45 | 1080565 tmosley
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His mama invented currency debasement.  Alan Greenspan is the DEBBIL!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:33 | 1079710 John Law Lives
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Stocks are not cheap right now (considering historical P/E ratios and dividend yields).  You would think $100+ oil (WTI) would crimp EPS projections in many sectors.  Amazing how the market seems to absorb so much bad news.

The power of the printing presses...

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:53 | 1079748 Boilermaker
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Fundamentals??  Why even bother.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:25 | 1079838 Ruffcut
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"Fundamentals??"

I heard of that once. Isn't that old school?

Make way for new math and take that all the way to the bank.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 21:44 | 1080268 Drag Racer
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fundamentals - ha, you mean 'fund the mentals' in power

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:09 | 1079626 Devout Republican
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I'm afraid with all the gamma radiation creating millions of Japanses Hulks we may be in for another war.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:33 | 1079702 VyseLegendaire
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Haha! I think we are in for another war either way...

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:37 | 1079717 Boilermaker
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Think of all the tattered purple pants to be produced.  This is bullish.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:10 | 1079631 US Uncut
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Also, remember this from March 13. Might be the source and not Fukushima.

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFTKG00708120110313

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:12 | 1079632 ThePhysicist
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Give it up ZH, the nuclear plant is being brought under control without a significant release of radiation and no loss of life.

In fact, the plant operators have done a pretty damn good job considering a 7 m tsunami overran the plant. (Which was designed for a 6 m tsunami. You can't plan for every contingency.)

According to GW, the Gulf should be a lifeless deadzone by now. And a methane fuel-air explosion should have killed everyone along the Gulf coast.

The sky isn't falling, Chicken Little... get back to lambasting the Fed.

 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:15 | 1079644 cossack55
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No kidding. Huh. I thought for sure there were 7.0+ earthquakes on the planet before.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 22:12 | 1080346 herewego...
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I'm gonna work my way thru all you scaremongers.

7m wave.

9.0 on the Richter scale.

This combination has never been seen before.

NEXT!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:17 | 1079650 yabyum
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Physicist, Let us Know how your great grand sons third testicle works out for him.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:21 | 1079668 Seer
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+3!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:30 | 1079846 Ruffcut
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No, he wants his boyfirend to grow another ballsack, for him to play with.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 22:19 | 1080351 herewego...
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Educate yourself on radiation levels:

http://blog.xkcd.com/2011/03/19/radiation-chart/

NEXT!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:19 | 1079657 SilverRhino
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>>without a significant release of radiation and no loss of life.

Bullshit.  Get back to me with the inventory, cancer rates and absorbed doses from the fukushima plant workers in a few months before pop off another round of idiocy like that.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:27 | 1079692 Boilermaker
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I'm sure we can start seeing the real-time thermal imagine then.  You know, since it's under control.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 22:27 | 1080385 herewego...
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Yes, the workers are heroes. No question. But this is very localized. Just don't eat the food from the immediate area.  

Educate yourself on radiation levels:

 

http://blog.xkcd.com/2011/03/19/radiation-chart/

Or actually read a post from zerohedge:

Direct link to the  (pdf)

1st posted by TD here: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/understanding-radioactivity-fukushima-p...

NEXT!

 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:18 | 1079658 mrgneiss
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Yes, let's just ignore the situation and it will go away and get back to more crucial matters of national importance like the latest tigerblood tweet or Lilo's plea deal..........

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 22:28 | 1080392 herewego...
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No, let's ignore this pathetic hysteria and talk about what actually matters: 10,000 deadfurther thousands homeless after losing loved ones.

NEXT!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:21 | 1079667 Reptil
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And you call yourself ThePhysicist? How convenient.

The Gulf is a dead zone BTW. And you are a shill.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 22:33 | 1080403 herewego...
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Hey, if you want a real physicist then read this:  (pdf)

1st posted by TD here: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/understanding-radioactivity-fukushima-p...

Unless of course you are just have an internal dissonance wank with yer group think mateys - if so carry on - you never saw this.

NEXT!

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 09:14 | 1081289 Flakmeister
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 Yes... a good thread, you might enjoy the two calculations of the attenuation length of Li6 for D-T fusion neutrons :)

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:31 | 1079696 Flakmeister
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Hey ThePhysicist, are you a real one or a wannabe? If you are, surprise me.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:41 | 1079726 Boilermaker
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He's trav7777 cloaked.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:05 | 1079784 Flakmeister
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Naw... hard to disguise writing styles and Trav is unique.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 02:09 | 1080821 herewego...
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I refer the honourable gentleman to the reply I gave some moments ago.

#1080403

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Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:53 | 1079723 Mr. Foot The Bill
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Show me the data sources or before and after pictures that this Nuclear facility was hit by a 7m tsunami. I don't believe any reports from Tepco. None. Zip. Zero. If the so called diesiel generators where rendered useless by the Morton Salt Girl, then why not the entire facility including the control rooms.

Then too, show me the reports for structural damage from the earthquake to this facility.

This has been a loss of power and electricity from land lines issue from the beginning. Nature threw a punch, but I can guarantee that it was poor engineering and planning that is the cause of this catastrophe.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 02:13 | 1080825 herewego...
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And where exactly, other than tin-foil-hat-crazies, do you intednt to get any data AT ALL to support your theory that this isn't as the man descibed:

Give it up ZH, the nuclear plant is being brought under control without a significant release of radiation and no loss of life.

NEXT!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:53 | 1079750 EscapeKey
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Perhaps ZeroHedge just isn't your thing... perhaps you should try reddit economics, a land where Keynesian economists were RIGHT about the financial meltdown, where Peter Schiff was "right for all the wrong reasons", and gold "is just a yellow metal".

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 02:19 | 1080830 herewego...
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Since when did zerohedge become a refuge for group-think, internal-dissonance wracked fools?

Since you decided? Or just since financials experts decided to try their hand at armchair nuclear physics?

NEXT!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:57 | 1079767 whoopsing
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fizzy,i'm starting to think you are FOS,your post yesterday about metal and salt and ship's really got to me.The  thing you did not consider(temp) is the one thing you should have considered. You ain't no pysicist,you are just a cyst-fuck off chicken shit-and yes,I junked you, pussy

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 20:58 | 1080091 slewie the pi-rat
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a physicist reduced to a cyst.  i like that! 

is this the same guy who said that heat didn't cause radioactivity, yest?  of course, he was right then, too.  but he was poo-ing the need for thermal imaging and data, and someone pointed out that it might be useful b/c radioctivity causes heat...

...lol---i confess; i pointed that out!  this gentleman may have been ann coulter's professor of sophistry. 

disclosure:  i hope that prof cyst is 100% right! 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:25 | 1079839 majia
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Why then is Kyodo reporting spinach with 27 times limit, which (!!!) is perfectly safe to eat!

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/79856.html

Spinach with radiation 27 times higher than limit found in Japan
TOKYO, March 21, Kyodo

Spinach with radioactive iodine 27 times more than the government-regulated limit was found in the city of Hitachi in Ibaraki Prefecture, more than 100 kilometers south of the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, but the radiation levels do not affect human health, local authorities said Sunday.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:42 | 1079878 BigJim
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Maybe they're reporting it because they're only now looking for it.

Maybe Kyodo spinach has always been a little fizzy, just no one measured it before.

(edit) because of the half life of Iodine-131. D'oh! Junked myself.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 21:06 | 1080118 serotonindumptruck
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The primary route of exposure for I-131 is via inhalation. I'm not certain as to uptake risk through ingestion. Researching...

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 21:54 | 1080295 Cursive
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@BigJim

Maybe eating lead paint chips is healthy for kids. Maybe (insert ridiculous thought here)....repeat loop....

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 02:24 | 1080836 herewego...
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So don't eat from that farmland? I hate to point this out but eating from radioactive farmland is actually something we can all agree on. And if no-one disagrees then who, precisely, are you arguing against? No-one?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Nice in your little echo-chamber is it?

NEXT!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 20:19 | 1079990 Creed
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30 junks, wow, my new hero

 

post more please

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 21:32 | 1080218 disabledvet
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You forgot to shout the requisite "MUTANTS FOR NUKES" there physicist(?).  Of course "not for nothing" but "nukes are for chemistry majors" so you are a physicist indeed.  Not "let us explore this notion of control" shall we?  Or shall we simply sing "Everything gives you cancer/There's no cure, there's no answer"?  Good song--one of my fav's....

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 22:03 | 1080324 herewego...
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I agree with you. If you are attracting this much attention then you are really fucking with their internal dissonance. Screw this group think.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 22:34 | 1080413 ThePhysicist
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A stick in a hornets nest is a lot of fun! Poke, run like hell.

And, I do have a Ph.D. in Physics.

 

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 00:32 | 1080653 Flakmeister
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Dissertation on what? Experimental Particle Physics in my case.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 02:56 | 1080859 herewego...
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Just so we can start up our own little echo chamber too, doc:

BBC - Japan nuclear threat: The tsunami is the bigger tragedy

By David Spiegelhalter, Professor of the Public Understanding of Risk, Cambridge University

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12785274

 

 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 23:36 | 1080545 TruthInSunshine
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ThePhysicist= proof that 'Operation Sock Puppet' has gone real time.

Mon, 03/21/2011 - 02:31 | 1080845 herewego...
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Gee, didn't ZEROHEDGE itself produce a PDF that backs up what he says? Or do you just read the conspiricy theory blogs? 

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Hey, if you want a real physicist then read this:  (pdf)

1st posted by TD here: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/understanding-radioactivity-fukushima-p...

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Otherwise, I hear Prince Phillip is a lizard that controls the Earth! Go long mealworms!

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/reptile-supplies/reptile-foods/ps/c/6016/7891

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:13 | 1079635 malikai
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Hopefully that big high pressure system over to the east will move eastward. That should allow the winds to resume back to the pacific.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:13 | 1079636 i_dont_see_no_bubble
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I see the world's longest survey continues as well

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:12 | 1079639 Ahmeexnal
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And...SILVER is taking off like a Tomahawk cruise missile. Target acquired...Blythe Masters!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:18 | 1079656 SwingForce
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Pabst Blue Ribbon cans, in my garbage pail. Silver = 2x shit.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:30 | 1079699 mrgneiss
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Ahhh.........there's nothing like the smell of a commercial signal failure first thing on a Sunday night, or any day of the week for that matter.

I wonder if JPM/Blythe has already picked out the next "Jerome Kerviel".

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:16 | 1079651 SwingForce
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Dream On Easy In The Chair That Really Fits You, YES.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:19 | 1079654 NERVEAGENTVX
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What's the weather like in your mom's basement Mr.Physicist?

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:20 | 1079660 Lapri
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Things cannot be that bad over there, can they, when they are about to open the Spring High School Baseball Invitational Tournament, as scheduled? They can't deny those high school players the chance of a lifetime, can they? Rain or shine, rad or no rad. (The tournament is held in Osaka, far away from radiation.)

http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/03/koshien-high-school-baseball.html

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:21 | 1079664 SwingForce
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Fucking Bullshit Merchants.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:25 | 1079679 duncecap rack
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Under survey must be Japanese for "we don't want to tell you" or "move along folkis, nothing to see here"

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:13 | 1079802 djsmps
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You may be right. I've been to Japan over 3 dozen times, and on my first visit I learned that the phrase "We will study this" meant "No".

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 21:10 | 1080129 slewie the pi-rat
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what did you do?  show 'em 7 inches?

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 21:13 | 1080149 Boilermaker
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My guess is that he probably tried to get something actually done.  That doesn't work very well with the Japanese.  You'll need to re-discuss it until it's beaten to a pulp, then petition management for a decision, then fax Tokyo and wait.

I have no desire to ever do business with them again.  They are truly fucking ridiculous (at least in the auto industry...not sure about the others).

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 23:42 | 1080558 TruthInSunshine
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Japanese cultural affinity of and proclivity for consensus building gives sararymen working for large multinationals saving face way to delay forever.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:27 | 1079680 Subprime JD
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The Japanese will contain the nuclear reactors and the nikkei will rally, please, BTFD as the Fukushima story is a non-story.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:54 | 1079754 taraxias
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I junked you because you forgot  "/sarcasm" at the end of your post 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:27 | 1079685 US Uncut
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CHECK THIS OUT!  Pause at 31 seconds. Marshmallows anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3Lg88ECaCE

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:12 | 1079798 tom a taxpayer
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At 53 seconds, see the broken pipeline in mid-air.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:12 | 1079801 buzzsaw99
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Was that something glowing red hot? Molten? Out in the open?

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:34 | 1079855 bob_dabolina
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Looked like the core or at least part of the core to me.

Don't know what else it would have been

So much for the theory about the containment being fine.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:15 | 1079809 buzzsaw99
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I also noticed that they spent just one minute over the plant and didn't turn around for a second look.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 20:14 | 1079974 valachus
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Also at 38-39 secs, it seems to me there's a big chunk of something with the same warm orange hue on top of Reactor 3.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 20:31 | 1080018 SilverRhino
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What's not so funny is about 5 seconds after that molten metal is shown they IMMEDIATELY scramble for altitude, like someone noticed it and told the pilot "GET THE FUCK UP NOW!"

 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 21:05 | 1080119 Money Squid
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My guess is the red glow is the fuel in the pool, cause the reactor fuel is inside the steel reactor vessel and inside the containment. To see the reactor fuel near the top like that the top of the steel reactor vessel and top of the containment structure would have to be open, or the reactor fuel blown out. Seems more likely the fuel in now dry pool overheating. You can see the extensive damage to the concrete pillars and floors, seems likely the power of those blasts would have no problem destroying the piping needed for the reactor's cooling water and for the pools. In the video you can easily all the piping runs are obliterated. I think its also likely that it is not possible to pump water from the plants systems into the fuel pools at suffient quantity, if at all, to cool the fuel since the pools are problably heavily damaged if not out right destroyed.

There is many reactor loads of fuel in those pools. Moving them to new pools means having something strong enough to pick the rods up from the twisted debris (once all of the collapsed building structures and equipment are moved out) and transporting it in its highly radioactive state to another located on site (common pool). But according "The Physicist" everything is ok.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:26 | 1079689 Long-John-Silver
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All PM's straight up. Will they attain Low earth orbit, Geostationary Orbit, or Lunar Orbit?

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:05 | 1079780 Golden monkey
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I know it's hard to believe, but you will not want to sell your physical silver when it will reach the lunar orbit level.

The problem is, the Arabic will do the same with their (soon) sky high oil... 

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:19 | 1079820 SilverRhino
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It takes a lot less of my PM's to acquire food than it does with their oil.  

I have a bicycle and solar.   Fuck em.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 20:36 | 1080031 Ahmeexnal
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Sergei, a good old Trabant can run on cheap vodka. Fuck oil!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:27 | 1079691 Subprime JD
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Power on at reactors 5 and 6.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:31 | 1079701 Boilermaker
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Sweet, the two that aren't in jeopardy and have no structural damage are saved!

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:55 | 1079757 Trillax
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+1

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:12 | 1079797 Yen Cross
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I want your shades.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 19:36 | 1079869 Ruffcut
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Great. Power on.

"now who forgot the light bulbs?"

Go on in now, you first.

Sun, 03/20/2011 - 18:30 | 1079694 Yen Cross
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Golly gee wizz Beaver. The (on) shore flow is pretty windy here in So. Cal. Today

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