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Japanese Tanker Damaged In Straits Of Hormuz; Outside Attack Considered

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Some unpleasant possibilities to consider in the aftermath of what appears to have been an attack on a Japanese VLCC. And, of course, if this is another Cheonan in the making, why pick a Japanese false flag scenario? With two US aircraft carriers in the vicinity, one would imagine we should have a pretty good picture of what really happened. Something tells us the official explanation of an "earthquake" as responsible for the boat damage just won't fly.

From Reuters:

A Japanese oil tanker damaged in an explosion in the Strait of Hormuz, one of the world's most important shipping lanes, was being diverted to a port in the UAE on Wednesday.

One of the 31 crew aboard was injured but no oil leaked from the M Star very large crude carrier (VLCC), according to the Japanese transport ministry.

It said an explosion occurred onboard at around 00:30 a.m. local time (2030 GMT Tuesday), but the cause was unclear.

"A crew member saw light on the horizon just before the explosion, so (ship owner Mitsui O.S.K.) believes there is a possibility it was caused by an outside attack," Japan's ministry said in a statement.

Oman's coastguard said there was no evidence of any attack on the tanker and instead cited an earthquake.

"The boat was hit by a tremor ...we have no information of an attack," an Omani coastguard official told Reuters.

The Strait of Hormuz remained open and it was "business as usual," an official from the Omani ministry of transport said.

Al Qaeda has threatened to attack shipping in the Strait of Hormuz, a route used by some 40 percent of the world's seaborne oil.

The ship was sailing under its own power toward Fujairah port in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) to check the damage, a Mitsui O.S.K. Lines spokesman said.

The tanker bound for Chiba, near Tokyo, was carrying around 2.3 million barrels of Qatar Land and Abu Dhabi Lower Zakum crudes, industry sources said.

It carried 16 Filipino and 15 Indian crew members.

Any impact on the Asian spot crude market would be negligible and the tanker would have taken three weeks to arrive in Japan, traders said.

"This (event) won't stop the flow of crude, so there will be no impact on what is able to be bought," a Tokyo-based crude trader said.

Around 17 million barrels per day of oil flow via the Strait of Hormuz, and Middle East crude accounts for 90 percent of Japan's total imports.


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Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:03 | 492145 carbonmutant
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"A more detailed assessment of the damage and the cause of the explosion is expected to be carried out once the ship reaches Fujairah. "

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:30 | 492374 anynonmous
Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:29 | 492498 MsCreant
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Wed, 07/28/2010 - 15:29 | 492657 merehuman
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My asshat comment. devoid of meaning

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:03 | 492146 Cognitive Dissonance
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Something tells us the official explanation of an "earthquake" as responsible for the boat damage just won't fly.

Oman's coastguard said there was no evidence of any attack on the tanker and instead cited an earthquake.

"The boat was hit by a tremor ...we have no information of an attack," an Omani coastguard official told Reuters.

I know. Someone "spilled" a little oil in the Strait, causing the ships to start slip sliding away, which in turn caused a "waterquake". You heard it here first Boys and Girls.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:23 | 492203 LeBalance
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I farted in the bathtub and that caused a .357 bullet to pass through my head.  Direct causation is proven!

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:34 | 492512 Whizbang
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*Flagged as Hilarious!


I wonder what the odds are that some of the money getting airlifted out of afghanistan is being used to buy oil futures. Imagine if one of these tankers goes down and shuts the straits down. 200$ oil baby!

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 15:05 | 492585 Trundle
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Are you saying we need another Warren commission?

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:59 | 492316 DoChenRollingBearing
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CogDis to the rescue!

ZH has helped me climb out of the blues today.  Since my friend died Monday, I take humor where I find it.

ZH rocks.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:14 | 492463 J.B. Books
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I'm sorry for your loss.


Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:45 | 492545 DoChenRollingBearing
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Thanks for your kind words Books.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:53 | 492425 knukles
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Was this report from CNBC?

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:18 | 492472 Cognitive Dissonance
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You mean Creating News Because they Can?

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:25 | 492490 carbonmutant
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Good one.

+ a bunch

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:30 | 492501 MayIMommaDogFac...
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That is SO much more acronymic than:

Just Makin' Shit Up...

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:03 | 492147 -Michelle-
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That would be some earthquake to affect a boat at sea. 

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:29 | 492231 Eternal Student
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Yeah. Whenever there's an earthquake in California, those ships in port are always the first to go. </joke>

I was wondering what happened to Iraq's Minister of Information, and where he went to. Now we know.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:45 | 492406 MachoMan
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We clear the whole lot of them!

As the split screen pans to our troops at Baghdad Airport.

It's a bitch when all of your information is controlled by the enemy...

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:42 | 492400 RichardP
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There were earthquakes reported in Iran shortly before the incident.  The news report says "a wave caused by the earthquake" may be responsible - which is much more understandable.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:29 | 492497 seventree
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A wave caused by an earthquake is called a tsunami if it's big enough. And even then the wave height and period as it travels in deep water are almost undetectable from an average size boat, let alone a super tanker. This is something altogether different (or possibly a non-event).

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:30 | 492503 carbonmutant
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"...earthquakes reported in Iran shortly before the incident"

You mean the earthquake on Saturday? And the wave hit on Wednesday...

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:35 | 492515 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Well-known phenomenon -- liquids concentrate rather than dissipate energy...

For instance, when you're standing waist-deep in the lake, slapping the surface gently with your hands, there are fish miles away getting knocked senseless from the concentrated, amplified shock...


Has anyone read "Post-Normal Science" (Ravetz I think).  I have not, but just the title has my curiousity piqued.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 15:24 | 492640 Missing_Link
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No.  Google "Strait of Hormuz."  It's a very narrow, very shallow strait -- it is not "at sea."

There have been many estimates that Iran could easily block off the Strait of Hormuz -- AND THE ENTIRE PERSIAN GULF AND ALL ITS OIL SUPPLIES -- by sinking a single large oil tanker in just the right part of the Strait of Hormuz.

That gives you an idea of how small and shallow it is.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 16:45 | 492813 WaterWings
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ZH still lets you post around here? Paraphrasing you, from numerous occasions, "I'm starting to wonder about this site."

Depths in this area reach over 650 feet, but the Omani government restricts access to this area to smaller vessels in normal, peacetime situations. Prior to 1979, the Inshore Traffic Zone served as the main shipping channel through the Strait.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 17:27 | 492929 SilverIsKing
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Very narrow and shallow in the Strait of Hormuz.

Check this old pic of me and my bro swimming in the SOH:

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:07 | 492158 trav7777
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WTF is it every time ANYTHING happens, they trot out the "AL QAIDA blablabla"??  WTF, is AQ causing sunspots now?!

My money is on Somali stowaways

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:27 | 492215 LeBalance
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Trav, trav, trav....Come on Dude.  This is FEAR central you are dealing with.  Its all the alien zombie witch whores fault.  !!!!!

Tim Osman is a CIA asset.  Tim Osman is Osama bin Laden.  Osama is Al Queda's figure head, but not the reality of "The Base."  The Base is CIA.

/tin foil condom: off/

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:21 | 492477 old_turk
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Its all the alien zombie witch whores fault.  !!!!!


I knew it!!!!!

I was actually worried there for a moment that it was Dal-Lecs or the Cybermen.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:08 | 492159 whatsinaname
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there is no oil now in the GOM.

must have slipped into hormuz.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:54 | 492170 Oh regional Indian
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Wow! What an on-time signal.

Another pre-echo of what is coming.

Wonder what the name of the Japanese ship is...

Update Edit: M Star..... hmmmmmm.....Brown Dwarf..

Update 2: M Star most often refers to Morning Star, Venus... Lucifer..

I think, unlike Clif High Et. al, that we are going to see a church implosion, possibly via the mysterious Mr. Assange? A big leak on the church.

T-2 days. Or  so. The plot thickens...




Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:10 | 492173 walcott
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tora, tora, tora!

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:40 | 492264's picture

Torah, Torah, Torah?

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:39 | 492524 aheady
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: D

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:39 | 492526 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:49 | 492551 LeBalance
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Toga! Toga! Toga!

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 17:25 | 492918 MsCreant
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I tink hee say tora, tora, tora, for da bull.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:10 | 492174 walcott
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tora, tora, tora!

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 17:29 | 492927 MsCreant
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Fight de bull Señor.


Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:10 | 492175 traderjoe
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Please people, Larry Kudlow is trying to turn pessimism into hope. Can we stick to the message that everything is ok?

See the gas riots in India the other week? How about the gas shortages in Greece and other countries due to supply concerns from Russia? How about the Russian heat wave/drought decimating crops? Not to try to read something into everything, but the sheeple are feeling the impacts of the PTB's manipulations...

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:11 | 492176 Payne
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blast from a large explosion would resemble an earthquake at sea.  I wonder what direction the bright light in the sky was?  

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:43 | 492271's picture

I wonder what direction the bright light in the sky was?

Not to worry, Caspar, Melchior, and Balthasar. are on it.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:44 | 492540 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Not to worry, Caspar, Melchior, and Balthasar. are on it.

BWAWHAHAHA.  Two Magi and a cartoon Ghost!!!

What the @#$% good is frankincense or myrrh?  GOLD BITCHEZ!!!

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:12 | 492178 Cincitucky
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What we didn't know was the Strait is only a few feet deep and this tanker is fording this large (but shallow) body of water with the hundreds of Goodyear tires lining both sides of it.

I now believe the earthquake explanation.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:43 | 492401 trav7777
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I suspect the same thing as you:  that underinflation of these tires caused a high speed blowout and resulting crash

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:46 | 492412 RichardP
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There were several earthquakes in Iran along the Strait of Hormuz shortly before this incident.  Some speculate that the ship was struck by a large wave generated by the earthquake(s).

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:20 | 492475 Cognitive Dissonance
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Could you provide a link or news source please? Thanks.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:34 | 492511 carbonmutant
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 Unfortunately these virtual "quakes" aren't showing up on any of the seismometers in the region.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:48 | 492549 MayIMommaDogFac...
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They'll wheel out "Baghdad Bob" later today with his own personal, specially-calibrated seismometer.

Should clear up everything...Including the multi-day time lag...

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:57 | 492567 Cognitive Dissonance
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Here it is folks, courtesy of Augustus further down this thread, a poor hungry bedragled escapee from the BP/GW GOM threads. Looks like everyone has their story's set now that it's been released by the MSM.

It might be helpful if there were pictures of the wave or at least the damage. HD TV images from any of the dozen BP ROV's will be considered acceptable. Thank you.

<joke alert, this is a joke folks, please hold the junks, it was all just a silly joke>

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 15:26 | 492643 Cincitucky
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See a freak wave, call it an explosion.  Witness an explosion, its a freak wave.  Don't worry, the two are frequently confused. 

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 15:31 | 492664 carbonmutant
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Looks a lot like N. Korean wave impact...

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:16 | 492180 Anarchist
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Wait for it Wait for it.......

Faux News Alert:

Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, North Korea, Cuba and Venezuela have teamed with Al CIAda to destroy western civilization. Update to follow....

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:04 | 492326 EscapeKey
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You left out Obama.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:41 | 492397 Anarchist
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True for the Teabaggers. Most people actually believe Odummo is a Socialist when his policies are clearly Facist since they reward the elite and pour debt on the lower classes.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:48 | 492416 MacedonianGlory
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Fascists are Socialists in case you don't know.

Read history.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:55 | 492431 knukles
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Thank you. 

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:38 | 492459 Anarchist
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Handing out a few goodies to the peons is done in all societies, Democratic, Socialist or Fascist. Odummo is following the example of the Fascists in Italy and Germany.    

Italian and German Fascists co-opted the elite familes and corporations in their respective countries. Socialists in Russia and China destroyed the elite familes and corporations in their respective countries and replaced them by state owned enterprises.

Why don't you two read a little history?


Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:49 | 492552 ZakuKommander
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Anyone with a nuanced historical sense which runs contrary to the Faux News propaganda machine is itching to get junked.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:53 | 492558 LeBalance
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National Socialist Party?  Deutschland Uber Alles!

And you can't spell Deutschland (Sig Heil!) without EU!

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 16:03 | 492755 Clycntct
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Zeechhh. I thought I was doing good reading ZH Now Ive got to read history too?

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:47 | 492548 A Nanny Moose
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Bingo. And the end result is dictatorship. So eventually the neo-progressives will get their efficient government.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:49 | 492553 MayIMommaDogFac...
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the neo-progressives will get their efficient government.

Efficient as defined by Rube Goldberg.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:57 | 492569 shargash
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The Nazis had "socialist" in their name. End of connection between fascism and socialism. Mussolini (the inventor of Fascism) called it "the perfect marriage of business and government."

Read history carefully.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 15:03 | 492579 Citizen of an I...
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The Nazis had "socialist" in their name. End of connection between fascism and socialism.

No.  Just the end of the connections YOU know about them.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 15:11 | 492597 Anarchist
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Most of the elite familes and businesses in Germany and Italy who became wealthy in WWI and WWII are still around and prospering. You cannot say the same for Russia or China.  

The elite familes and businesses in the US have no problem with Odummo. He has continued most of the policies of W and added more that will make the elite even more money.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 16:19 | 492783 Breaker
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Of course. Children of former generals in the People's army in China are treated just the same as peasants. Party officials from the 1960's and their families today get no special treatment. None of them are part of the elite in China today. Socialism is great because it actually makes everyone equal.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 16:45 | 492836 Anarchist
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It is not uncommon for one of the elites in China to meet their makers if they cause the party or a higher up to lose face. You cannot say that about many of the elites of Germany and Italy who participated in mass war crimes and oversaw the destruction of their countries. They came out smelling like roses and their families and companies are stronger than ever.

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 17:27 | 492926 Moneygrove
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Most of the elite familes and businesses in Germany and Italy who became wealthy in WWI and WWII are still around and prospering.   Don`t forget about the bush`s in usa , old presscott bush sold nazi war bonds in the usa .

Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:17 | 492191 Gloomy
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Adding to Tyler's earlier post on durable goods propaganda confusion are 2 back to back Bloomberg headlines:


Capital Goods Orders in U.S. Climb, Signaling Investment Pickup

Business investment in the U.S. picked up in the second quarter, helping sustain the economic recovery, June data on durable goods showed today.

  • Stocks, Oil Retreat on Economy; Dollar Slips Versus Yen

    U.S. stocks fell, Europe’s benchmark equity index halted a six-day rally and the dollar declined versus the yen as an unexpected drop in American durable-goods orders deepened concern the economic recovery is slowing.

  • Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:18 | 492195 Mad Max
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    Remember the Maine!!!

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:44 | 492403 merehuman
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    remember ME! In your will. Thank you in advance

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:50 | 492554 DoChenRollingBearing
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    Another badly needed laugh!

    Way to go merehuman.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 15:41 | 492675 merehuman
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    Let there be light! Breathe benzine and feel lighter! Yea for human flight!

    Coreexit and banks selling derivatives on life insurance + shedding useless eaters=saves  Social security and the beat goes on....

    My sincere apologies for the negativity and sarcasm. I could not help myself.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:19 | 492198 alexwest
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    well.. light 9-2010 futures touched 50avg

    and somehow something hapened..

    somebody in longs upto his eyeballs :)


    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:21 | 492201 PicassoInActions
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    The only way to pull us out of economic Armageddon is to start the new war. During the war period trough the history, we can see that people are more cooperative with the government and less concern about the domestic issues. 

    Every presidency used this tactics before. North Korea... Here we come...

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:26 | 492216 hedgeless_horseman
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    NK is too hard.  We are 0-0-1 against them.  Let's invade Panama (again) and take back our canal!  We are 2-0-0 down at the Isthmus.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:43 | 492275 Amish Hacker
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    Yeah, the Panama "police action" was OK, but the snorkeling was better in Granada.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:47 | 492288 QQQBall
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    That's a real leaner there on the 0-0-1 against NK.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:29 | 492233 Herd Redirectio...
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    Yep, war is the reason I was dreading the depression.  Unemployment is a big problem, but the biggest problem from depressions is the conflict that inevitably erupts.

    Once they bailed out the fraud-laden financial system but left Main Street to flounder (a process that started with 10 years of outsourcing the middle class) the writing was on the wall.


    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:59 | 492439 curbyourrisk
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    Unemployment goes down during a war, especially if they brin gback the draft.  Could do wonders for Obama's poll numbers n the Economy.


    BUT, then again, war is not the answer for a bad never has been.  Unelss we actually go in and take the natural resources and keep the land.  If there is no profit, just how does it benefit our economy.  The cost of the war always outstrips the corporate benefits in the long run. 

     I am sure some idiot is now gonna come along and tell me how WW2 got us out of the Great Depression.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:27 | 492491 Cognitive Dissonance
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    I am sure some idiot is now gonna come along and tell me how WW2 got us out of the Great Depression.

    No, I'm not that idiot, I'm the other idiot. :>)

    But it does seem like we're doing exactly that in Iran and Afghanistan. OK sure, not officially. But consider that getting resources for below or even market prices during a time when others are having trouble getting them at all would be considered "benefiting" from the war. Just assuring yourself a supply is a benefit.

    Also, war has a tendency to destroy of lot of shit, shit that needs to be replaced. And as long as the US has the reserve currency and foreign fools to buy our paper, we ain't paying for it. Sure it eventually catches up with us. But rest assured the powers that be are trying to restart those circular engines as I type this.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:54 | 492561 MayIMommaDogFac...
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    If there is no profit, just how does it benefit our economy

    There is no profit in it that benefits YOUR economy (or mine). 

    There are some who profit greatly though...They aren't too concerned about 'our economy'.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:54 | 492563 A Nanny Moose
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    War "helps" when you destroy the productive capacity of everyone else, and eliminate the competition. You are right's all Broken Windows.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 17:29 | 492936 Moneygrove
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    But most forget that Dick Cheney said the iraqnam war would pay for itself !!!!!!!!!! ha ha lol !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 15:21 | 492629 trav7777
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    it's better:  they expect said middle class now to REPAY all that bailout debt PLUS interest.  Awsumz!!!!

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:45 | 492283 Noah Vail
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    You people who think that wars can help economies are nuts, the do the exact opposite unless the victor rapes and pillages the vanquished's assets. The Vietnam war did wonders for this nation, threw us into recession, put us deep in debt, caused inflation and wrecked the dollar. Just what we need to get things going again, eh? And Lebanon, didn't OPEC cut off our oil over that one? Did wonders for the economy.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:05 | 492328 Citizen of an I...
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    And Lebanon, didn't OPEC cut off our oil over that one?



    You're nuts.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:19 | 492357 Ms. Erable
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    Wars do perform wonders for certain sectors of the economy - just not the ones from which you or I could "profit" (and, regardless of the money to be made in certain manufacturing and financial stocks to be made during wartime, I choose not to put my money in a place where I stand to profit from another's death. Call me crazy). Also, as previously mentioned, wars provide the Big Distraction and a Grand Sporting Event that allows the sheeple to "cheer for the home team" while ignoring the fact that their country is economically destitute, and that their personal lives suck like a two-dollar whore (read: sucks really badly).

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:30 | 492499 Cognitive Dissonance
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    Give me a D, give me a O, give me a D.

    What's it spell?

    Department Of Defense.

    Who are they gonna blow up?

    Everybody eventually, right?

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 15:19 | 492623 Ms. Erable
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    Just as soon as they figure out how to make a profit on everybody's demise...

    Thu, 07/29/2010 - 07:15 | 493779 Slim Pickens
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    I imagine everyone here has already read this but just in case:

    Reckon there are any Smedley Butlers out there today?

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:58 | 492435 knukles
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    Well, let's at least be sensible and not try it with China.  After all, every time you finish a war with China, you're hungering for another one 1/2 an hour later. 

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 16:25 | 492800 RichardENixon
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    "As gesture of goodwill Chinese government sending you 1 million members of our Olympic sharpshooting team for visit"

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:25 | 492208 francis_sawyer
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    Bob Pisani takes this as a positive for equities...

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:13 | 492349 bonddude
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    Bwwaaahahaha beautiful.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:45 | 492407 Fritz
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    Bob Pissant takes everything as a positive for equities.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 17:31 | 492939 Moneygrove
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    Bob Pissant takes everything as a positive for equities. yes or maria will beat his ass !!!!!!!!

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:37 | 492213 John McCloy
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       The U.S. can be pushed around simply because we have placed ourselves in this handcuffed situation unable to retaliate because of Iraq & Afghanistan. For example Iran knows there is not enough political will to respond with an attack on Iran domestically and financially America cannot afford to become involved in another war. We should expect more of this since North Korea's attack went unanswered for this exact reason.

       Hiding behind the mask of world police vanished when we invaded Iraq and any actions we take now are considered aggressive, meddlesome and self serving. Nations can now openly threaten the U.S. and build political capital because they are not fearful of retaliation. In reality neither of those are actual threats. Russia however will become the threat in coming years as they seek to regain some of their past influence especially after we caved so quickly on the missile shield into the President's term. Best thing now is to just return the troops home, cut the spending, get this economy manufacturing again, rebuild and wait until trouble comes definitively knocking.

       Of course we will never do that since than we would have to address domestic issues, we would have a surge of unemployed troops to throw into the mix and considerably less spending domestically reliant upon the military machine.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:44 | 492282 Anarchist
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    "economy manufacturing again"

    You serious? That ship left port a very long time ago. We lost the ability to manufacture most goods using domestic sources. You cannot find a domestic source for the vast majority of electronic components. Add in the lack of many strategic minerals or rare commodities and you got problems making any type of specialty metal or chemical. To rebuild the entire chain of component and material suppliers could take 20 years. Of course the cost of goods would scream up 5-10x what they are now. Pretty hard to handle when the consumer and businesses and leveraged to the hilt.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:51 | 492300 Noah Vail
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    Yeah, the US is in such great shape that it imports a huge percentage of its military junk formerly manufactured in this country that used to be protected under the guise of national security. Not any more. We start another war and the rest of the world could strangle the military just by witholding materiel. Oh, what a tangled web they weave in the name of geopolitics. The spider is caught is his own web.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:07 | 492338 DoChenRollingBearing
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    The Pentagon, which for decades wanted their bearings (for tanks, planes, etc.) 100% US or Canadian made, now cannot get what they need from N. America.

    They now want to be able to buy bearings that are up to 50% foreign value-added.

    Just an anecdote, but it supports your case Noah.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:05 | 492384 hedgeless_horseman
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    In battle you have to be able to shoot, communicate, and move.

    The largest manufacturer of small arms in the world is FN Herstal, a Belgium company.

    ICOM, of Japan, is the last of the radio makers not located in China.

    You can easily guess where the largest boot maker in the world, Li Ning, is located.

    And then there is our Ace-In-The-Hole: 
    (we are screwed)

    At least the chi.coms aren't hording steel, copper, young single men, and emergency/trauma meds, or else I would be worried.

    Some recent reminders of war:


    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:24 | 492485 Internet Tough Guy
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    FN manufactures guns in this country.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:37 | 492521 TreadwCare
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    In the United States, FN is represented by two entities.

    FNH USA, located in McLean, Virginia, is responsible for sales, marketing and business development with the U.S. military, government agencies, law enforcement and the commercial sector.

    FN Manufacturing, located in Columbia, South Carolina, is the U.S. manufacturing arm of FN and is currently producing M16 rifles, M249 light machine guns, M240 medium machine guns, FN bolt-action rifles and FNP pistols. FNM is one of only three manufacturers designated by the U.S. Government as the domestic industry base for small arms production. Sharing design, engineering and manufacturing expertise with FN Herstal in Belgium, FNM’s reputation for quality and reliability is clearly demonstrated by the fact that 70% of the small arms used by U.S. Forces around the globe bear the FN name."


    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:41 | 492530 hedgeless_horseman
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    What % of capabilities do their US ops represent?  Private company, so it is more difficult to know.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:06 | 492334 almost_have_a_name
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    Burt Rutan said we could rebuild the entire country's manufacturing glory in a few years, starting with sticks.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:18 | 492355 tip e. canoe
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    saw this incredibly beautiful & bountiful garden/urban farm yesterday (complete w/ huge greenhouse growing all sorts of tropical plants) built solely out of reclaimed timber & driftwood washed up from the Atlantic.

    so he might not be too far off.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:02 | 492443 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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    Cheers to Burt. At least we have some people who are willing to be creative. The point is that we DO need to restore actual production in this country, since our current exports, war and financial fraud, appear to be lagging. This doesn't have to be Last Days of the Roman Empire 2.0.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:33 | 492510 ATTILA THE WIMP
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    To Anarchist: Stop spouting nonsense. Plenty of manufacturing in USA as proven by stocks of Dow Jones Industrials which includes Coca Cola, Home Depot, McDonalds, Wal Mart and Walt Disney.

    PS: 911 inside job

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:49 | 492546 Anarchist
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    So the ability to produce high fructose corn syrup and dead cow burgers amounts to product manufacturing? The same can be done in virtually any third world $hithole.

    Tell me how you are going to build an F35 fighter or a 787 jetliner without vast amounts of finished goods and raw materials from overseas? Why don't you tell me what Home Depot or Walmart sells that is made in the US?

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 15:43 | 492698 merehuman
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    I just manufactured a hamburger. And some gas

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:26 | 492214 vote_libertaria...
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    ...aaaand oil markets yawn (oil down 1% currently)

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:32 | 492239 buzzsaw99
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    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:27 | 492220 GIANTKILR
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    Wouldn't it be ironic if AL QAIDA flew an airplane into a Japanese ship.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:30 | 492236 hedgeless_horseman
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    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 15:31 | 492662 OpenEyes
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    Very good.  +1

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:28 | 492227 jtmo3
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    MSNBC says it was a rogue wave. OK.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:44 | 492279 curbyourrisk
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    Well if MSNBC says must be so.



    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:46 | 492285's picture

    We must declare war on waves or soon rogue waves will come into possession of nuclear weapons.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:05 | 492449 doggings
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    lol.  "war on waves.."  Canute tried that didn't he.

    it'd be at least as effective as all the others, drugs, terrorism etc

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 15:01 | 492573 MayIMommaDogFac...
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    +100...Extra bonus for Canute reference.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 16:00 | 492742's picture

    "Yes we can!"


    "No we Canute!"

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 17:33 | 492945 Moneygrove
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    and dick cheney says the war will pay for itself !!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:56 | 492434 TreadwCare
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    Great band, that Rogue Wave . . .

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:12 | 492456 Translational Lift
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    MSNBC is a rogue wave........

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:28 | 492230 Bill Lumbergh
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    Just another piece of "evidence" that some rogue nation (Iran, North Korea, Venezuela) will need to be invaded in the near future.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:15 | 492464 Hephasteus
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    Got problems with hair. Rogue gain topical cream.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:30 | 492237 Gimp
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    Al-Qaeda manned Italian torpedo style submarine attack!

    Anyone feel a slow gradual build-up for the next major conflict to distract the domestic population?

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:06 | 492451 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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    Yeeeessssss. Ahmadinehjad went on tv yesterday to say that he had intelligence that US/Israel were planning to attack 2 ME countries, tho he didn't say which ones. I'm assuming he knows he's at the top of the list. I'd guess Syria is the other one. I don't think they count bombing Lebanon anymore. That's been a sport for the last 40 years.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:33 | 492243 mudduck
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    Could just be a lost in translation thing. Maybe 'tremor' in Omanese means 'dumbshits lighting farts on fire by propane tank leak'.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:47 | 492289's picture

    'dumbshits lighting farts on fire by propane tank leak'.


    Sounds like a job for...Filipino Monkey!

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:35 | 492248's picture

    Lumbergh.......those are good ideas!  I'd prefer the drone route however.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:38 | 492257 element115
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    I'm waiting for oil prices to go ballistic.

    "...following news that crude oil inventories for the week ended July 23 showed a build of 7.31 million barrels, which contrasts sharply with the draw of 1.73 million barrels that had been expected."

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:38 | 492258 Marvin_M
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    Earthquake?  Did anyone get a seismic reading on that one?

    Just so there is no confusion as to what a VLCC looks like unloaded.  The one in question was loaded.


    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:44 | 492281 Mongo
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    That's funny


    RSOE doesn't indicate an earthquake in the nearby vicinity. I am assuming that earthquakes on land don't damage boats like that on sea.



    Maybe it was Dick Cheney testing new equipment for the imminent iran attack.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:49 | 492296 Paul Bogdanich
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    May very well have been a small scale non-state sponsored attack using an improvised weapon that was too small for the job.  Fortunately it's very difficult to build weapons that can take out a tanker at a distance.  To be effective the weapon must be massive so the propulsion must be equally massive and then to build one it becomes impossible to keep it a secret therefore it becomes easy to track and hence the property of states.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 12:50 | 492298 QQQBall
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    Rogue wave? Earthquake? The Spin Machine is getting to toward the bottom of the "Propaganda List".... Maybe Iran Atatck is off the table - this would have been a good excuse to blast Iran.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 15:06 | 492590 MayIMommaDogFac...
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    The Spin Machine is getting to toward the bottom of the "Propaganda List"....

    The boilerplate Propaganda List was exhausted a while ago...They have now resorted to doing MADLIBs for the news for the day.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:01 | 492317 Defiant1968
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    We need to watch who we go to war with - The last war America won was Gernada - We took out a platoon of Cuban troops - America what a country and what a Military -


    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:03 | 492324 vote_libertaria...
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    Earthquake.  Well according to the usgs the last one in the Middle East was last Saturday.  Must have been a really slow earthquake.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:07 | 492337 Tell me lies
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    This is an Israeli sub attack using a German built and funded sub.The ones that Isreal got through beating Germany on the head endlessly with holo reparations.

    When the fuck has a quake ever caused 1 ship to sink in a confined area?

    It's a perfect false flag to get the shit stirred up. Japan is the perfect 3rd party patsy to use for shipments getting fucked up. We all know this shit will be put in motion by other parties. O Bama is over his head in Afgan and terrified in an election year of more war.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:51 | 492422 rapidsingleflux
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    Not to burst your bubble but if the israelis attacked it, it would have been sunk. And we would immediately have headlines of "Iran attacks japansese oil tanker"

    However, an earthquake? Do they not realize we have seismographs all over the world?

    There was no earthquake. Realizing this they are now saying a rogue wave, well rogue waves being made of water generally dont explode...

    I won't make assumptions, but somethings very fishy here...

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 15:21 | 492630 Translational Lift
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    "well rogue waves being made of water generally dont explode"    Heavy water maybe??  :>)

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:20 | 492360 RagnarDanneskjold
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    North Korea sank a ROK ship a couple months back and just threatened retaliation for US-ROK joint exercises (with Japanese observers). A higher oil price benefits oil producing states and anything that makes the U.S. look like a paper tiger is good for them. If I had to pick a good conspiracy, it would be Iran and North Korea doing it and letting Al Qaeda take the blame.

    Many think the U.S. wants a war, but only a small cabal wants it. The military knows it is overstretched and the Treasury knows it cannot afford a third front. Iran knows there will be no occupation and North Korea knows South Koreans fear the obliteration of Seoul. If anything, U.S. enemies as a group have more to gain by starting a war with the U.S., though the individual actor may suffer the concentrated blow of military force.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:18 | 492429 Anarchist
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    Look up the report by a South Korean naval architech assigned to the sinking investigation. The pictures of the Cheonan alone will tell you no torpedo hit it. The damn thing ran aground and sunk as it was moving back out to sea. All the radio traffic between the ships in the area also confirm the ship ran aground. The naval architech claims the US is trying to run his career since he would not agree to falsify his findings. He sent a report to Hillary Clinton and posted it on the web. The pics don't lie.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 15:03 | 492580 ZakuKommander
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    Indeed.  The recovered shaft of the "torpedo that did the damage" surely looked in fine, straight shape for something that should have been bent to hell and gone by the force of the explosion.  


    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 16:07 | 492766's picture

    Ah, the Magic Torpedo.

    I'd been wondering what Arlen Spector's been up to lately.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:29 | 492372 SwapThis
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    your on a roll today +2

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 13:38 | 492395 Weimar Ben Bernanke
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    I have a cousin who lives in New Jersey, he spoke to a pastor who was a neo con. You know,rapturing away into the clouds,Israel never does wrong,wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were justifiable. He told my cousin that we should invade venezuela,iran,Pakistan,Yemen,Lebanon,Syria,North Korea. My cousin then ask him how can we afford such campaigns first of all because we are going bankrupt in 5-10 yrs,and where will we get the man power. The pastor then went on about drilling oil,cuttin entitlement and what not which I and my cousin agreed. But he said that we need a "levee en masse". Look up what the word means,that was his idea for getting manpower.

    It is funny how all the crimes we have done overseas for the past 40 yrs are going to come home to roost. Suicide bombings,civil wars,revolutions,ethnic violence is many of the things we have done,now it will happen in our shores.

    Wed, 07/28/2010 - 14:24 | 492478 reader2010
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    All the foreign wars that the US has fought were for the multinationals and money elite in the name of America and the American people. Why we participated in WWI, and who got us into it? Take a hard look at WWII, who got us into it? Then take a look at the wars that were designed not to be won in the first place but long lasting (including the War on Terror), so that those guys could profit enormously while we and our kids/grandkids pay for them. The entire system was set up that way so that so few can crush bones of so many.

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