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Agree strongly about cause. Solution less clear. "Greed of 1% is cause" AND "Greed is a fact of life". True, "Corporations as people" adds a layer of complication, but who put them there? Greed of 1% (humans).
History of revolutions shows us: once in power, revolutionaries become like those they replace. Almost all humans have greed; power makes that greed more destructive.
Question: who of us has dealt correctly with their greed, and how?
My belief: only individual mastery (transcendence, deconstruction, seeing through, whathaveyou) of ONE'S OWN petty, greedy, selfish, arrogant, fearful ego offers a genuine solution.
Pointing fingers is fine and appropriate, but the finger should always point both ways (in as well as out).
i like this comment.
here a video.
Greed is a fact of life. Everyone has it. The problem is that the Corporation is a "person" whose only human characteristic is greed . . . by charter and statute.
Is it any wonder that when these guys get so much richer than real people, the society is ruled by psychopaths?
Bob's dead on. An obvious fact that people can easily miss. When you politically empower these non-human organizations, whose life is potentially unlimited, they will bulldoze over human concerns via their sheer size, accumulated wealth and corrupting power. If anything, laws should be crafted to constantly weaken these beasts and keep them within a controllable size - hence anti-monopoly laws. But the war has been long since lost, and the 1% has this firmly under control. TBTF is all too true, but it is not so much because of the damage to the "general good" their demise will cause, but rather, because they will stop at nothing to make someone else pay for their continued survival. The beasts are loose and in charge. That is what we found in the fall of 2008, at the hands of dedicated TBTF servants like Hank Paulson, a traitor to the American people if there ever was one. The choice of political system, whether republic or dictatorship, matters little to these beasts, the former just being a little bit more difficult to control, because of the increased costs of systemic bribery and political and regulatory capture. But the benefit there is that the outcome can be spun as the results of a free society, when the only freedom you really have in the face of this is to, once in a while, elect Tweedle Dee or Tweedle Dum to office, but never really seeing who the Tweedles really answer to in the final analysis.
Remember, the world and the US would have easily survived the collapse of some big banks, and the bankruptcy of Goldman, in the fall of 2008 but that was never the point - it was the loss of life for these behemoths, and the lost fortunes of its owners and controllers, that was to be avoided at all costs. Your cost.
A rich man grieves the loss of a single dollar, and he cares not if it comes out of your pocket to save him from that loss. That is what you are up against. .
"Why steal less, when you can steal more, eh?"
Wall Street Mantra
'splains everything a happening.
It's not "stealing". It's harvesting.
From the ewe's viewpoint, her baby is being stolen and sacrificed for the lamb stew. From the shepherd's viewpoint it is merely reaping what they have sown.
Deepwater Horizon, Fukishima, Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, every economic downturn in history, in fact everything business has ever touched that was bad for you and me is due to a single motive, GREED! Watch out for genetically modified crops, they carry more death than all other greed combined in the history of man. Any six year old can figure this out. Santa, the Easter Bunny, saints and messiahs, prophets and leprechauns, all bizarre notions we still feed to our kids, and the nobility of corporations and government is one we have to swallow whole every day to get by.
Perfect example, the Ford Pinto, the bean counters convinced the managers who in turn convinced the CEO and the board of directors that any possible lawsuits resulting from their cars exploding would be less than the cost of continuing to install a 2 dollar metal strap on the fuel tank. They assumed X millions of Pinto sales times the 2 bucks for the strap that would prevent people burning to death and current jury awards for faulty manufacture and the result was that the cost of the dead customers was under the profit they could make by leaving the strap off. They had not counted upon a jury awarding 120 million in Oklahoma (of all places, how bad do you have to fuck up to get that kind of award there? I was shocked and happy at the verdict)...
In 1977, Mark Dowie of Mother Jones Magazine, using documents in the Center files, published an article reporting the dangers of the fuel tank design, and cited internal Ford Motor Company documents that proved that Ford knew of the weakness in the fuel tank before the vehicle was placed on the market but that a cost/benefit study was done which suggested that it would be "cheaper" for Ford to pay liability for burn deaths and injuries rather than modify the fuel tank to prevent the fires in the first place. Dowie showed that Ford owned a patent on a better designed gas tank at that time, but that cost and styling considerations ruled out any changes in the gas tank design of the Pinto.
Money MONEY cash lucre, dough pence pennies bread. The hell with you and your vermin kin, I got mine and my kids win!
Nuclear power can be very safe (and clean), check out Hyperion and it's mini-nuke plants. They need no water supply, they are small, work on much the same principal as those on aircraft carriers or subs, self contained, buried under about an acre of ground, zero employees, zero chance of melting, they are taking orders for them at about 25 million a pop, small enough to be trucked to the install site, and they produce enough juice for about 20 thousand homes at current consumption rates. Imagine if we could cut consumption by 50% with micro wind and solar, better insulation and design. Use on site geothermal and ban plasma TV. Do you know that plasma which is not so popular here is the rage in the EU, especially Britain, and they use so much power that government estimates that they have to build four new power stations just to run plasma TV?
Japan, the US, and Russia all have had planning and infrastructure problems related to nuclear power, and all is well when all is well, but it is so catastrophic when all is not well that we simply can't have huge mass nuclear, just not acceptable. And as the plants age places like France which gets most of it's electrics from power will have similar if not worse problems. One meltdown there and wine will be so expensive we can't get it. These mini nukes can't melt down, require no infrastructure more complex than a hole.
The economics are also interesting, and that is what we all have in common right? An average American home at recent pricing uses $200 per month in electricity. I use a little more than half that but I am conservative and live alone in a modern two bed apartment structure, in a very temperate climate. Twenty thousand homes at two hundred per month is four million a month billing at today's rates (about 12 cents per kWh). A plant costing twenty five million finished and installed cost would be paid for in less than one year, and yet they operate uninterrupted without any maintenance for 6-7 years, and do not need replacement of the fuel for over twenty five years. When they are due for replacement the whole fuel module is lifted on a crane and put on a truck to go back to the factory. A new one is installed. In the meanwhile it has produced a billion two hundred million in electricity without any rises in utility rates from this day on. For a reactor that has no security issues whatever. No employees, no cooling, no infrastructure other than a way to hook into the grid, and requires at most an acre of ground which is landscaped because the whole thing is buried.
But then electricity provided by such mean would be economical, very profitable, at a 10-20 dollar per month flat rate given time value of money, no matter how much you use within reason. It would be many thousands of small businesses and not a few huge conglomerates soaking us every month. Can you imagine the sheer joy of putting a load of laundry in your dryer and not worry about how you will pay for it when the bill comes in? I do. Heated pools could come back in style, and since energy is essentially fungible at base it would make gas and gasoline cheaper too. Too good to be true? Look into it and decide for yourself, I assure when they find a way to make you a debt slave to it you will get your electricity from safe abundant nuclear.
How will the EE PTB control the Proletariat if they don't control their energy supplies? Have you forgotten who runs the show?
such contradictory spending policy--spend money on military and blowing things up, and pinch pennies on things like education, healthcare, and environmental safety in businesses. what a sham, the U.S. govt's fiscal policy and Japans are responsible for thousands of deaths due to nuclear spills that couldve been prevented!
You nailed it GW! Many of the top 1%ers I know are cheap, greedy, abusive egomaniacs who really think they are better than everyone else and often prey on illegals and honest, hardworking people for their ill-gotten gains.
Apparently there is no "greed" among the parasites, shills, and flacks: our masters in DC.
Gettin' better but i'll never "be there" for the simple fact that if you ask any investor in a bank "would they like to invest in a lending institution whose business plan consists of getting a bail out" they would all answer "obviously not." In other words "we're rife with bailout fever always" and yet...if you are to be a successful business you need to stick to business. To give a specific example: when Jamie Dimon starts lecturing the US Congress what it needs to do then clearly he needs to gain an understanding what he needs to do too. (Although clearly he can fly his lear jet back to the White House anytime.) The question of why Congress feels it should incentive business to do what is it's suppose to do is i agree a little odd and obviously it is the job of business to coopt the regulator. But answer me this: how did Wall Street win via "the collapse"? (Note to Jamie Dimon--JP Morgan lectured Teddy right in the White House itself and had no problem telling him or anyone else "what the deal was." Not Congress however.) the crisis of 2008 did result in for lack of a better word "free money." but while that might incentivize debt holders who were the ones in fact bailed out--it did not apparently incentivize the debt holders to actually do anything with "their business"--since the prime beneficiary of the "free money" are those who kept on taking risks and just plain old ran their business. those who have run their businesses "in the name of the bond holder" (Citi/BofA/GM/Chrysler/the entire electric utility industry/the entire healthcare industry) have all been left in the dust. Should there be a sudden explosion in inflation due to "government being government"--so be it i say. to take the opposite of what Stalin said in WWII "quality is a quantity all it's own" too. Needless to say that quantity is like gold very small and always needed.
though nuke power may be safe...
its not right to burden the next several hundred years of people with a mistake.
free market would not insure a 2-d effup.
honest money keeps people honest.
dishonest money lets people lie.
why do we let people lie if we prize truth?
Yes, and agree with pitz (minus profanity, as I'm a gent.)
We're all Somalian now.
private profits and socialized losses.
having said that the Japanese issue also has the taint of "dual use" which pushed the risk profile further out. because the "dual use" is an instrument of Japanese national security policy - yes some of that risk was knowingly accepted by the Japanese government. So there is an improper mixing of National Security goals within the whirlpool of corporate goals.
We used to call it CORRUPTION... absolutely!
But now that we live in a mafia state it's just normal fubar....
the monkeys and their descendants are doomed cause skynet says so period.
praise be the hal9000! may your children mate with machines forever.
The bottom line is that if we continue to let the top 1% - who are never satisfied, but always want more, more, more - run the show without challenge from the other 99% of people in the world, we will have more Fukushimas, more Gulf oil spills and more financial meltdowns.
Unfortunately, I think this comment about greed/lust, which the empire employs to replace more appropriate natural responses, describes a very large percentage of the global population. It would be nice to assume simple ignorance, but all these activities prove willful ignorance - stupidity. Best to get some distance.
The idea that there is SAFE nuclear power is insane.
It is just a matter of time till the next.
Chernobyl is STILL spewing stuff into the air according to a BBC story a day or two ago, the covering is riddled with picture window size holes. It said that Putin will get on it at the right time, too costly you see.
Yep, an American Gov't using a Hamiltonian system, rather than a federal reserve private foreign corporation, would not have to borrow it's own money, and can fund nuclear projects that don't have to be 'profitable', but instead focus on providing energy as safe as possible.
When TEPCO has to pay off loans it took out to build their energy generation facilities at all costs, you get a situation like we have (especially when earthquake/tsunami occurs). It of course isn't just nuclear, you can say the same with oil (as said by GW), natural gas, coal, etc.
Arguably the most important thing to couple with energy production is safety in procuring said energy. In today's bankster world, it's Profit #1, Provide Energy #2, then somewhere down the line pass the gov't captured fools watered down 'stress tests' in order to appear as if safety is #1...hell perhaps even make a commercial on it lauding your safety record. If you know what Enron did to California in the early 2000's regarding electricity, you know even #2 is not sacrosanct. [for those that missed it/don't remember....I'm referring to the 'rolling blackouts' in california...which no doubt killed some people....all so Enron could profit (and better hide it's later uncovered frauds). Now, what did they say caused these blackouts? Regulations.
No...it was caused by illicit profit motives by the 'smartest guys in the room'.
There's plenty left in the world to profit on. When it comes to nuclear power, or offshore drilling, the profit motive to repay the bankster loans must be curtailed. The pure Enron style rape must be ended. This way, when federally funded [through credit uttering] and insured, old designs can be replaced with newer ones, unsafe practices can be improved upon when new knowledge arrises, and when something is deemed unsafe or having a problem it can be shut down.
Paying back bankster loans (which was never their money since they created it) should not be a reason to operate unsafe energy production facilities. Sadly, as we know all to well in this world, everybody works to pay off debt or to squeeze an extra percent of profit. Sometimes both. Enron, BP, TEPCO.
The gov't can't do better than these clowns? Well as long as it's not staffed by people PAID by these clowns. It doesn't have to, but people will have to pay attention. That's how gov't works. (and most in the 40-70 age range...didn't...now it's 'too hard' and they just want to 'shut it down'...even though the fed will still print for fraud regardless) You either pay attention and hold account, or you have what we have, the diametric opposite.
Plus we can fund fusion, which is just like someone wanting to invest in the horseless carriages in the 1860's or Airplanes in the 1890's. Ahead of it's time, but not by much.
As my grandfather once said to my father, you see those guys over there, they invested in electric rail cars and automobiles...guess what happened to those that kept investing in stagecoaches.
But then again, if energy gets scarce, there's lots of profit. Does anyone think they won't play with this notion, given TEPCO, ENRON, and BP? Forget the consequences and lead time of opportunity cost, profit now. They will, at our expense.
if risk = probability x consequence then you can see that
the common denominator, the "same reason", for the 3 failures
is the comfort level that develops when one, (%), has the
liberty to transfer the consequences of their endeavors to
other people. the consequences are transferred and the risk
becomes 0, but only for them. for the affected the risk mounts
from all the endeavors of these liberated 1 %. the people become
the pool of bad debt, mistaken identity, lost causes, anatomical
deformity etc... the financial profits flow, at best, through them/us.
to the rescued tbtf and their representatives. now that they have been
bailed out it is time for them to administer some economic discipline
on their saviors, using the resources they were just granted. so, we will
be beaten with our own limbs, again
this has become the working model of the financial, legal, military, industrial,
energy model. so .. check out these ...
guns and butter / david ray griffin, dr.
and this gary null and jesse ventura interview / wbai link above.
Comments, critiques and photoshops welcome. Caption competition?
hillary: "at breakfast, wasn't your tie pink?"
mark: "wow, suddenly, i can't feel my hands?"
NEED TO KNOW IF THERE'S ANOTHER NUCLEAR PROGRAM GOING ON UNDER THE JAPANESE REACTORS ?
There is some discussion of a nuclear FACILITY for WEAPONS PRODUCTION under the seemingly harmless above ground reactors, and that's why 2 of the 3 were off-line but somehow still online for the work going on below. And that the explosions may have occurred as a result of whats going on below ground.
For those HAARP watchers, this could be another reason for its targeting along with STUXNET. Not Sure, but that "blue flash" during yesterday's quake looked suspicious.
" The truth is that we can store spent fuel rods in dry cask storage, which is much safer than the spent fuel rod pools used in Fukushima and many American reactors."
Of course we can -- especially after the decay heat has been knocked down and the energetic half-lives have gone away. Say--well, give it five years in the pool. We have public experience with this, e.g.:
and the Clinton-era folks spinning it with "they didn't process Pu when we were in charge."
But, much more important, is the near-term decision forced on the operating plants that they have to keep the spent fuel on site vs. placing it into a rather more safe location, such as Yucca Flats, where your dry-cask solution has been designed to work for long-term storage.
When you get around to doing root-cause analysis, perhaps you could examine all of the reasons that Yucca Flats storage has been killed?
This would help those interested:
(readable, accurate, balanced, especially with the prototype interim fuel storage facility in NM, where the locals are happy)
But I said "when you get around to root cause,"
i'm new here. have been reading so much, all the articles about gold and silver. i don't have much. some, but not much, and as i read comments on the articles about PMs, the jubilation, my thinking is that with nuclear disaster in Japan, the effects of this, the radiation, not just on the Japanese, but across the world, and already in produce grown in California, in milk and milk products, etc., there's really not much to celebrate. i mean, you may have some silver and gold, but it's not going to do you any good when it's one big wasteland out there and it almost is right now.
There is a school of thought that says to allocate to food and lead projectiles first, PMs second. Why?...After a collapse will the oligarchy control the use of PMs to even the black-market level through neighbor-on-neighbor spying for reward. Conspiracy theory?...maybe. But when the goin' gets really tuff the outcome will be very unpredictable. An ocean of Black Swans.
another homerun by the grey eminence mr george washington....
yes the the plutocrats and the their criminal and murderous penny penching and greed are at the root of these great evils....i have seen greed promotion at companies go to extreme irresponsibility....i have always said, pay me now or pay me later but pay me you shall....
it is time for a tax on these 1% monster-threats....
keep writing, george.....i love everything you say.....
Greed is not alone. There are six other deadly sins, any of which can account for any human evil.
Human beings are sinners.
The fault is not in our stars but in ourselves.
If you can get past two millenia of accreted garbage and read the gospels for what they are, you will find some grace ... and some answers.
I disagree because we're capable of much more. In my daily dealings with ordinairy people (such as mystelf), there's two archetypes in this respect: The destroyers and the builders.
Normally these are in a sort of equilibrium. That balance is totally lost. Because ordinairy men have been persuaded that control over the destiny of their group is outside of their hands, because the scale of our society. Thus, subsequently a few have been able to take control, and are seemingly methodically breaking down systems, and this instills the selfreinforcing thoughtpattern, that it's hopeless, since we're not capable of better...
Personally I reject that, it's never just one or the other, absolutes are unnatural.
Whether the destruction is by design (there's circumstantial evidence to suggest this) or because of a flaw in ever expanding society, or both, I don't know. I do know that with enlargement of scale so does the potential of corruption.
Interesting points. Maybe the destroyer/builder un-equilibrium you speak of today is due in large part to a mature society. Mature defined as: One that has reached some sort of pinnacle of self described safety and wealth.
Yes, I'd go even further, and say that's part of the inevitable decay of any human society. It causes the corruption of it's top layer, and the loss of a need for creative change (human society adapting to a changing environment).
In doing so outside challenges and threats are ignored, because taking these seriously might lead to a weakening of the position of those in power, at least that's the idea. The image of "everything is under control, we got this" must be preserved. In doing so, society as a whole is hollowed out. Of course the smarter ones figure out "everything is under control" and even the rule of law is a joke. Which then leads to more corruption, to be able to compete.
We are truly in a society where corruption has become the defining characteristic to reach the top, and all else is subject. This will continue to deteriorate. I think that there's going to be a split though, a part of society that doesn't want to go down with the rest. I'm fortunate I realise I've found ZH and other places, where there's critical thought.
Doing a little imagineering, I can envision some cavemen sitting about the campfire gnawing on the day's kill. Nice fire and a congenial conversation of grunts and snorts. In the darkness can be seen a pair of fiery eyes, then another pair, then more. Somewhat frightened, a brave fella tosses a scrap of bone into the woods -- the eyes disappear.
Next night? You guessed it. Pretty soon a set of the seemingly menacing eyes wanders close only to be exposed as a cute little mutt of a wolf puppy. The rest is canine history.
Today, those who sit about the corporate campfires are frightened. The fiery eyes in the darkness are the ones they have been tossing scraps to for centuries. The tamed camp loiterers are the politicians who have been civilized to a degree, but the canine teeth are still there, ready to devour.
The original "producers" have plundered the land and squandered the resources -- and they know the time has come to either move to the next fertile valley or stand and fight the hungry hordes. A point is reached at which scraps from the fruits of industry no longer satiate the masses. We are there.
+1. Undermine the pillar of discipline, that's required to follow a truly just course, from the foundation and rot will take its place. How many sheeple are watching American Idol right now on their DVR?
I can't remember when there were this many flavors of dishonesty, at practically every level. The US housing market melted down because or the connivance of appraisers, inspectors, brokers, ratings agencies, investment banks, and on down the line, not one of them telling the truth. Fukushima melted down for the same reason, because the contractors, inspectors, engineers and managers failed to show any integrity.
Welcome to the New Normal, where worthless assets are valued at par because they're going to be "held to maturity," where financial markets are managed for the express purpose of preventing price discovery, and where common sense is as rare as common courtesy.
I can't remember when there were this many flavors of dishonesty, at practically every level.
I can't remember when there were this many flavors of dishonesty, at practically every level.
Of course you can not. The last time the West had an Empire of this size was 2000 years ago. There is nothing unusual about current events in a historical sense, but there are some interesting precedents in the modern age.
First, we are in the atomic age. That does NOT bode well if this collapse becomes a global war.
Second, we have 7 billion mouths to feed, with diminishing yields and rising food insecurity.
Third, events are transmitted instantly around the world through a global communications network,producing reactions to those events that create even events, which also produce reactions, spiralling faster and faster. This implies that once the party gets started, it will spiral out of control faster than anyone predicts.
I think this century is going to be rather extreme. That is if we make it to the end of the century.
Or, if you prefer the longer term plan:
Now listen up. Marc Faber said today that the 1% have to cheat the system because they are outnumbered by the poor. They are the only ones who "work" and the rest just want "more" entitlements and to be loafers.
If you can stand to listen to his interview today on CNBC, good for you. Business must be bad. I have now cancelled my subscription.
He sounds more and more like the incoherent Gaffafi.
His comments are instrumental in that he echos the sentiments of that part of society perfectly. And I know, I've been there in an earlier period in my life (before I became too disgusted of it all and just left).
The sense of entitlement, coupled with an assumption of a positive development, because of their leadership, mirrored onto the life (read: failure to get to the top) of the common person, is not based in any reality.
This article I can only agree with: http://www.oftwominds.com/blogjan11/Elite-privilege01-11.html
Thus, these people have clearly become incapable of real leadership.
...as mentioned, the thorium cycle reactor design has some big advantages.
perhaps, but none wrt spent fuel. Same w/fusion "activations". - Ned
"The Law of (un)intended Consequences".
The Men, primarily, are badly flawed human beans.
They don't think so because their larger than average brains got them to a certain level, and therefore they assume they are near perfect, nearly infallible.
Others either don't care about or are unwillling to admit they are totally ignorant of the long-term consequences of their actions, or because they think they will be dead before their power---- that allowed them to effect change of any kind---comes back to haunt them e.g. Greenspan, Abe Lincoln, Albert Einstein, Hitler, Clinton, Bush, Frank, Dodd, Cox, Rubin, and so many others it would take years to list them all.
This has all been captured long ago:
Outsized Pride, lack of humility, hubris. Unhealthy self-regard.
Arrogance as demonstrated by Lord Blankfein and his zionist minions on Wall Street, Fleet Street, in Cameroon, and Hong Kong, backed up by a few strategically placed completely corrupt government officials (Geithner, the bernank, Chris Cox, Hank Paulson, clinton, bush, Grahamm, Leach, Bliley, etc) that rewards them for utter failure at the expense of everyone else on the planet, and the power to steal from everyone without consequence. Truly, Midases everyone of them. Simply print their way out of their own troubles.
Nailed it GW.
And no, german spent fuel is transported (by train) to Le Havre (Normandy, France) reprocessed, and then the waste is shipped off to Russia, to be dumped in some unknown Siberian forest. That was the italian nuclear waste that was shipped off to be buried in fresh water wells in Somalia and under a few metres of sand on their (once) rich fishing grounds. And some of it was put on boats and sunk off near italian holliday maker destinations. (I'm not in the slightest way making a joke. Reality is far more cruel than I ever hope to be.)Of course this is arguably better than pressing it into grenade tips and shooting it at reïnforced steel, so that it vaporises in a hot toxic dustcloud, and renders large swaths of land permanently uninhabitable.
"Long term survival trumps short term greed" It's a very simple but yet for modern individuals a very complicated subject. Our leaders have become insane, and urgently need to be disposed of. It's either that or going extinct within a few generations.
Ponder this please? The sun puts out EM alongside it's solar flames. Occasionally these are not met by the earth's magnetic field, and not deflected back into space. Occasionally, like in the 19th century these break through, and cause every electronic circuit to melt in on itself. Apart from the total chaos and a setback to ehm 1200 AD, we'd then have a thousand fission plants that will spontaniously start an uncontrolled meltdown. If so, it'll look like a unique concert of a thousand runaway nukes blowing the fission tune like mad, angry trumpets.
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1553/1 (second paragraph)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tomchivers/100008500/nasas-2013-sol... (bit of a bullshit article, but some good links)
Add to that the fact that the sun is extraordinarally active, since we're entering a part of space that energises our sun and planets, and that we're "overdue" on a polar shift and reset, and I think we have the perfect automated "selfdestruct" primed and waiting... 2013 they expect a big one.
WE HAVE TO TURN THOSE NUKES OFF
I need a beer.
Good weekend everybody..
If you are seriously worried about uranium don't go near the beach. The sand is full of uranium. And don't use cement to make your buildings. It is full of sand. And ciner blocks? Very bad. It is porous.
The hazards of uranium and DU are vastly over rated.
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