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Jim Grant Accuses Fed Of "Lethal" Intervention And Manipulation Of US Economy

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Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:01 | 618193 Mercury
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Grant to Fed: You suck at central planning.

"The black art of central planning"


In bringing up the "socialization of risk" Grant touches onwhat I (and I'm sure many others) have identified as the elephant in the room the Obama Administration never explicitly addresses: Will credit continue to be considered essentially a civil right and if so who is expected to bear the reciprocal risk and under what conditions?

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:02 | 618243 kengland
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What book did H. Parker Willis write in 1936?

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:27 | 618271 Mercury
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He probably means The Federal Reserve System, H. Parker Willis, Ronald Co., 1923  which may be a revised version of the 1915 book (listed on Wikip.) by the same/similar title.  Wikipedia may actually have incomplete info. but I'd guess that Gran't edition/printing is from 1936 and contains updated info/gripes/introduction etc. as non-fiction texts often do. A good example of the many nuggets of wisdom within long-forgotten and out-of-print books.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:22 | 618299 stickyfingers
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The theory and practice of central banking, with special reference to American experience, 1913-1935

I think that's the one Grant means

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:25 | 618308 Steve Evets
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The Theory and Practice of Central Banking

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:40 | 618347 heyligen
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The Theory and Practice of Central Banking (1936)

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:47 | 618374 kengland
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This is it. Goes for around 150 used.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:08 | 618257 Voluntary Exchange
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And central planning sucks at improving human well-being.


Suck **2 !

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 10:50 | 618195 JLee2027
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Man crush on Jim Grant!

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 10:50 | 618198 tmosley
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Not only that, but he looks like Bill Nye, which makes him all the more awesome.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:24 | 618305 Internet Tough Guy
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Fri, 10/01/2010 - 13:37 | 618692 DaveyJones
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Dudes now have the record for the longest kiss

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 10:51 | 618200 taraxias
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The veil is being pulled back, inch by inch..........

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 10:56 | 618223 frankTHE COIN
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Whats your social security number? I just need it for back office stuff.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 12:21 | 618484 DoctoRx
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Frank:  I think Leo is Canadian.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:03 | 618246 the not so migh...
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Watch out for falling pallets of fiats dropping from the sky Leo.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:22 | 618294 pat53
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FO you idiot  !

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:33 | 618329 SheepDog-One
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I pray for the day Leo gets stranded way long by a huge flash crash and we never hear from this complete idiot ever again.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:39 | 618344 BobPaulson
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The troll of the year award goes to...

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 21:21 | 620016 akak
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Leo's comment reached 50 junks, at which point it was sent down the memory hole (just as I was about to reply to it, alas).  As it deserved.

Once again, Leo Kissmyasskiss, you prove your utter worthlessness in this forum.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:43 | 618351 tmosley
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I'm hoping that is sarcasm, though it's hard to tell with you, Leo.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 14:53 | 618920 faustian bargain
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If it's sarcasm, it's incompetent sarcasm. Ergo, junk away.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:45 | 618366 Shameful
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Guys don't you understand where Leo is coming from?  His livelihood depends on the Fed nuking the dollar, and generally a global meltdown in currencies.  As a pension guy he must generate returns to pay off pensioners.  Measured in fiat money of course.  So it matters not at all if the fiat will buy a can of cat food so long as he can hit his numbers and make sure everyone gets paid out.  Indeed he can even claim no fault "I performed above expectations, it's not my fault the money is worthless".  But should we actually experience deflation and the Fed and other debasing currencies he would have to explain why he lost money.  I'm not passing judgment, but everyone must remember that every man will bend his outlook to benefit his profession and station.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:58 | 618421 juangrande
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Leo, your comment on the "history of American business is based on legalized looting...." was removed! I was going to comment: Remove the word American and true dat. Speaks to the past essays of Cognitive Dissonance. Wake up indeed! When Money is your God, He will, inevitably, let you down.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 12:02 | 618438 Ms. Erable
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When the dust settles and the chickens have come home to roost, I hope Leo has $5 million in fiat when the price of a can of dog food is $900k.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 12:33 | 618512 Commander Cody
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This comment must be riddled with sarcasm.  If not, then I'm gonna do a Belushi on you.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 13:14 | 618639 downrodeo
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Fri, 10/01/2010 - 14:37 | 618866 gerd
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Thomas Paine, one of the Founding Fathers of the United States, urged Colonists not to trust the words of “interested men” tied by money and status to the British government and British royalty: “It is the good fortune of many to live distant from the scene of sorrow; the evil is not sufficiently brought to THEIR doors to make THEM feel the precariousness with which all American property is possessed.”

Leo is an interested man.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 10:52 | 618208 NOTW777
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and the real crooks - the american media, conceal and ignore the unfolding disaster.  meanwhile the obama business channel is covering fast food habits of the rich

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:33 | 618330 Bam_Man
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What? No Lindsay Lohan updates today?


Fri, 10/01/2010 - 10:52 | 618209 wiskeyrunner
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Everyone needs to cheer up, please listen to this music and it will make you feel better.




Fri, 10/01/2010 - 10:53 | 618214 Henry Chinaski
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There is no question that the dollar is intentionally and systematically being destroyed.  The question is "Why?", to what purpose.


Fri, 10/01/2010 - 10:57 | 618225 NOTW777
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failed attempt to evade massive debt; attempt to conceal massive sin;

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:08 | 618261 JLee2027
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There is no question that the dollar is intentionally and systematically being destroyed.  The question is "Why?", to what purpose.

To make American products cheaper for foreign buyers, which in turn re-starts economic growth.  The Chinese, who live off a low currency in relation to a strong dollar, are furious because this will crush their economy like the paper tiger it is.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:30 | 618324 Waterfallsparkles
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Yet, the Chinese People are paulpers.  They work for $1.00 a day if even that.  Is that what we have to look forward to in America?

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:34 | 618332 SheepDog-One
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'American products'? Go ahead name 3.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:45 | 618368 tmosley
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Dollars, Treasuries, and T-bills.

What, debt doesn't count?  Damn!

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:47 | 618373 Shameful
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Read Snow Crash.  Like that novel American makes 3 products better then anyone else in the world.  1. Pizza 2. Movies 3. Micro-code

Sure won't carry an economy but at least we have those 3 :)

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 12:02 | 618440 bronzie
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"Sure won't carry an economy but at least we have those 3"

you didn't mention the prison system - we can take turns locking each other up to keep the economy going - you lock me up and guard me for a year or two and then I lock you up and play guard for awhile

we'll be back to the good times before you know it!

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 12:08 | 618450 Shameful
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Ok you got me there.  I just harp on those 3 because it's in the book, and it's a fun cyberpunk book.

The prison thing is absurd.  The Land of the Free has the highest prison pop in the world, even over China.  Funny we complain about their authoritarian state but we have more people locked up and their pop is 4x ours.  But it's a good way to dole out money to favored classes, take away rights and get Americans to work at slave wages.  Hell most people break the law every day, it's almost impossible not to.  No one even knows what all the laws are, there are so many of them it's impossible for a single human to know them all and stay current on them.  Just like older authoritarian regimes they have turned every citizen into a criminal.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 13:25 | 618661 trav7777
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you might want to examine our primary prison demographic.  China doesn't have them in China.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 13:29 | 618667 trav7777
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you might want to examine our primary prison demographic.  China doesn't have them in China.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 12:33 | 618519 vortex
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Courtesy of Guild Investment


The U.S. labels China a currency manipulator. Brazil announces that countries are trying to devalue their currencies competitively. Is a new trade war brewing?

We have long believed that the potential for trade wars increases as economic distress grows in Europe and the U.S. Clearly, Brazil is correct; politicians who do not understand the world trade system are currently trying to devalue their currencies. They are reacting to pressure from the exporting companies in their nation and they may believe that this action will increase exports and discourage their citizens from importing goods from abroad. These beliefs are based upon the naïve and unwise assumption that their domestic consumer will buy domestically manufactured goods.

Although this simplistic model might have been somewhat accurate 50 years ago, today it is sadly uninformed and unrealistic. A global trade machine currently exists which uses components from many countries to make products produced in other countries which are then shipped to other countries, still, to be finished. The products are then sold to a new group of countries for various purposes including re-export.

The antiquated and naïve view that a lower currency will improve employment in the home country is generally incorrect.

The lower currency will not necessarily create new jobs, and on the contrary, it may create destructive unintended consequences especially inflation as imported goods become more expensive. Currently, perhaps a dozen countries are trying to devalue their currencies simultaneously.

When a nation threatens that they will “put a tariff on products from country X”, or “force country Y to revalue their currency upward”, or that they will devalue their own currency, we wonder if they have considered all the ramifications of such actions?

Trade wars are always a mistake. Most observers understand the political posturing by the U.S. congress to their constituents. They also see that those constituents may not be at all well-informed about how international trade is positive for U.S. growth and useful for employment in the U.S. The politicians are making a political statement which is simplistic and which may create unintended consequences including:

1. lower economic growth world wide which feeds back to lower economic growth in the home country.

2. increased inflation as imported goods rise in price.

3. a move by citizens into other asset classes especially gold, other precious metals, commodities in general and common stocks and out of the home currency. The citizens will buy these types of assets in order to protect themselves from the decline of their currency. This forces up the price of commodities and further exacerbates inflation.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:09 | 618263 MountainMan
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Perhaps for its very survival. If industy and manufacturing is the key to real growth and employment, then a weak dollar is the answer. Any way you cut, the standard of living for a great majority of Americans is heading down.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:43 | 618355 BobPaulson
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If you're the guy who can always print more and give it to yourself, while the other 99% of the world has to work for money, why wouldn't you? I print a pile of money, and buy all your stuff. You acquire more stuff from hard work, I print more money and buy it from you. You're happy because you have lots of zeros on a computer screen or piece of paper.

Spot the sucker.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 11:58 | 618418 The Navigator
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"never let a serious crisis go to waste" Rahm Emanuel. Crash the dollar, introduce the "new international" dollar (Amero?), move our currency even further away from the Constitution and more under the control of the New World Order.

The details, I'm not privy to; just my paranoid perspective.

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 21:37 | 620062 malek
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Hmm... is there a serious crisis in Chicago? I mean more serious than usual?

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 13:00 | 618602 A Man without Q...
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The thing is, people fail to understand the true purpose of the Fed.  It is and always has been to protect the member banks.  The Lehman collapse has confused people, but this was about stuffing a load of bad assets into an already broken firm, in order to protect the others and also there was a personal element in that Fuld was detested by Paulson, Dimon etc.  The Fed now needs to kill the Dollar, because the scale of bad assets and non-performing loans will kill the banks, unless they kill the Dollar.  Sure, this is going to cause huge damage to all those who put their faith in the Currency, but it will save the bankers and allow them to clean up at the right time, by pulling the liquidity lines at a pre-agreed point, and allowing them to come in and clean up. 

Fri, 10/01/2010 - 10:54 | 618218 TheGreatPonzi
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The FED, eliminated? If this happens one day, I would be very surprised. The FED can do what she wants, including buying all the military arsenal in the world with phony dollars and make a coup in the USA.

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