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Jobless Benefits Extension Voted Down As Republican Opposition Sinks Latest Attempt For Perpetual Entitlement State
A last minute attempt by Democrats to pass a 90 day extension of jobless benefit just failed to pass in Congress. Before the vote, which only sought a 3 month extension instead of a year long one, Steny Hoyer said: "I think every Democrat will vote for it. I'm hopeful that the Republicans will vote for it." However, since democrats brought the measure up as a "suspension" bill, meaning
that it required the approval of two-thirds of the House to pass, instead of under normal house rules which would have allowedthe vote to pass, the extension failed. Therefore just like the last time this extension failed, look for up to 4-5 million unemployed to fall off EUC and extended claims over the next few months, with a hit of up to 2 million by the first/second week of December. To be sure, there was also a political flavor: as NBC reports "But with suspension bill now coming to the floor on the last day of
votes before the Thanksgiving vacation, the vote will give House
Democrats the opportunity to argue that the GOP blocked unemployment
benefits for the jobless during the holiday season."
From the Associated Press:
Republicans in the House have blocked a bill that would have extended jobless benefits for the long-term unemployed beyond the holiday season.
The most recent extension of jobless benefits expires Dec. 1. Two million people will lose benefits averaging $310 a week nationwide by the end of the year.
The measure would have extended jobless benefits through the end of February at a cost of adding $12.5 billion to the nation's debt. Republicans opposing the measure said that the measure should be paid for by cutting unspent money from last year's economic stimulus bill.
Democrats brought the measure to the floor under fast-track rules that required a two-thirds vote to pass, so the measure fell despite winning a majority.
The bottom line is that billions in disposable income courtesy of Uncle Scam are about to be taken out of circulation. Now add the possibility that the Bush tax cuts may not be extended, and the economic picture could suddenly be turned upside down.
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Guess you didn't read (or chose to ignore) the sentence that stated the Republicons are demanding that the extension(s) be paid for with unpaid stimulus funding. Also, just what makes you 'Think" that there's any difference between the Republicons and the Decepticrats?
on Thu, 11/18/2010 - 21:12
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Guess you didn't read (or chose to ignore) the sentence that stated the Republicons are demanding that the extension(s) be paid for with unpaid stimulus funding. Also, just what makes you 'Think" that there's any difference between the Republicons and the Decepticrats?
StychoKiller,
***** "Make no mistake, Obama is Bush part Duex… so there is no difference between the parties really, only what 5th Ave. sells the sheep as differences… the lobby owns all of the whores within the beltway." *****
I guess you skiped the last sentence? you evangelicals do that a LOT! hell fire! abortion! and all that really important stuff...
Here's what I know... a lot of Americans will be without benefits becuase the Republicans voted down... VOTED DOWN! so real people will go hungry... becuase of the Republicans...
Now if you dont like that fact... thats your fucking problem isnt it... maybe if you went back to painting up anti-abortion signs your time would be in fact better spent?
Sincerely, JW
Let's be clear -
1- American's are paid too much to be globally competive in many low to mid (even some high) skilled jobs.
2- American's feel they have too much debt and or cost of living is too high to accept lower paid positions
3- Governments 2yr backstop allows UE to avoid making the hard decision of deleveraging and taking an availalble job
4- As American's wages and American cost of doing biz in America are prohibitive, jobs continue to leave / be technolocized / be done by fewer.
5- The extended UE bene's are ensuring there will be fewer jobs there for those coming off the rolls, greater debt (taxes) to be paid, and more UE to be carried.
That is good gov work.
1) Centrally-planned economies can artificially suppress wages, making American's appear uncompetitive;
2) Americans saw their incomes erode as jobs were off-shored and out-sourced to cheaper labor markets with fewer envionmental and labor regulations, and were given cheap credit to make up the difference so they could keep spending in order to support bloated government and US corporations who were on course to find themselves with no tax base and no customers;
3) 2-year backstop allows UE to give up over time and quietly leave the job pool entirely, thereby artificially lowering UE statistics thus bolstering the illusion that the US has a functioning domestic economy;
4) As American's continue to insist on clean air and water, safe work places, living wages and union representation, businesses have taken advantage of favorable trade treaties and tax loopholes and located their operations where people do not insist on those sorts of things, or else are murdered if they do;
5) Cutting off UE benefits will serve to further destroy the American middle class, the only force for democracy and fairness on the entire planet Earth, and continue the long, unbroken chain of losses and disappointments as the corporatocracy rises in influence and power to dominate all human life on Earth.
See. I can spin just as well as you can.
No actually I think mine was a lot better.
Coug,
I don't disagree w/ your 1-4...all more or less correct.
I even agree w/ #5 but that is what must happen for the phoenix to rise again. American's are slowly being bilked of everything and think they are entitled to everything. The sooner both are ended the better...this will finally piss off the common people once their entitlements are taken away...this will hopefully lead them to get really pissed off and take down the oligarchs, retake the government, and rebuild the system.
Perpetuating the current situation where we slowly are the frog in a pot as the heat gets higher and higher...that is the worst case.
Bullshit. 1-4, no issue... #5 is fucking whacky. The american middle class are fucking sloths. It used to mean something... but, the formerly middle class have been tossed into the wind... some ending up in each socioeconomic category. The middle class cease to exist as soon as we put the pacifier in our mouths. Some of us defected to greener pastures, some of us went bust... others stayed here like pubes on soap. This is being too generous... the middle class does not even exist. We have been squeezed into peonage.
The new middle class is filled with welfare queens who have no intention of dragging a nation of dependents on their backs and building it into something worthwhile. We have lost the fire. When we do regain our drive, we will have to repent for our transgressions (spending beyond our means and drawing a crowd to do it) so that all of our actions may be just and deserving. I'm not holding my breath.
I sincerely doubt we band together and form anything other than a duct tape bandaid and another rag tag piece of shit government destined for failure. Every once and a while, the stars align and you get the pinnacle of civilization for a while. Unfortunately, we're on the back side of it and we haven't even hit the "black hole" yet. I have completely lost my faith that even the most rudimentary system can be developed and implemented with any longevity with any sense of moral purpose. No one seems to have the basic humility to contemplate that they may not have all the answers and that this just may be enough cause for concern to not dictate what our neighbors can and cannot do. Somehow we became too fucking stupid to know just how stupid we really are... crazy.
/rant off
MM,
seems I hear this "lone ranger" approach from so many ZH'ers. So many have given up on society, given up on humanity, and are just trying to build their proverbial precious metal shelter to ride out the storm.
I'm glad to hear your fix but won't read another eod's mad max thriller (not that it couldn't happen but I don't really care to be prepared for that option).
no way. The lone ranger dies alone. Probably trapped in a wal-mart while the hordes he locked out firebomb the place out of spite. We'll need a pretty strong sense of community to pull through. The only difference is that communal living and local government will play much, much larger roles moving forward. Some people see a consolidation of power on the federal->world level, but I think that's simply an argument from induction. That was the plan and the plan didn't work... we ran out of cheap resources. No, going it alone is not an option... but having a united states I bet is a stretch of the imagination... too many dependents not wanting to remove the tit.
Christ said that the last shall be first and the first shall be last. Among the last will also be Lawyers, lots of them. I say this because your legal profession has also had a hand in creating (and doing nothing to stop it, btw!) the mess we're in.
absolutely. It's the whole fucking system. We got to the point we're in by EVERYONE participating (some participating in completely trivial and inconsequential ways, which is probably not worthy of being labeled participation). No one wants to admit to their own faults and then deciding who, relatively, screwed us the most. That's why/how the credit expansion gets to persist so long... eventually the bill comes due.
I wouldn't say the legal profession has done nothing to stop it... after all, how did we find fraudclosuregate? I also have some precedent to set of my own in the pipeline... just not sure if I can get the green light from the boss to "waste" a bunch of my billable hours... although, ZH eats plenty of them already. But, it seems every time I find something incredibly wrong, it is actually legal to do... we've institutionalized stupidity. For example, why the hell are states exempt from qui tam actions? crazy... thanks scotus. But yes, the legal profession has been riding shotgun on a lot of the fraud, I am confident... just like the accountants... I have sincere reservations about any scenario where the consequences of securitizations were not crafted by lawyers... I doubt many of the big whigs take a piss without a lawyer watching. Hell, they'll even try and claim their dick size is privileged. At any rate, the legal profession is a love/hate relationship for most... we're the pieces of shit that get you in the mess, but at the same time, we're the champions of your rights... some of us are worth a damn and we're in a constant struggle against the rest... no different than any other profession I suppose.
PS, I wouldn't go quoting christ with as many authors as the bible had...
(*NOD*)
Alienated Labor Revisited
http://www.countercurrents.org/goodchild151110.htm
To live sanely, I must get out of the city. I let myself become caught in a sort of hamster wheel, a cycle of spend-work-spend-work: I have to spend money, so I work at a long hard job in the city, so I have to spend money, so I work at a long hard job in the city. Around and around and around. And while all of that is happening, I pray that I won’t be laid off.
I need the kind of work that does not require me to sacrifice my dignity or my self-esteem. I do not need a master, because I can be my own master. I do not need to be a slave, and I do not have to possess the mentality of a slave, thinking always of somewhere to hide, thinking always that sleep is the ultimate goal. I need to give up “work” in that sense, and begin “work” in a positive sense. I need to live on my own land, to work my own land, to watch the wind-stirred grain turning to gold under the summer sun.
It's taken me many years, but finally I can say that I'm firmly on this path.
NOTE: didn't wade through the comments (sorry, short on time these days). Did anyone bother to point out all the no-work money being handed over to the ruling rich (who do not, and have never actually, really, worked?)? Probably not, which means that their programming is quite successful (getting all the workers to fight amond themselves rather than attack them).
So it's okay for the federal reserve to give the U.S. gov. another 600 billion dollar unemployment extension, payable over the next 8 months (quantative easing), but god forbid breaking off a little piece of that for the unemployed.
Get real! It's NEVER right for the Govt (or anyone else!) to take currency from someone at the point of a gun, in order to give it to someone else, be they rich or poor! Call it what it is: THEFT!
Rich, poor, corporations, everybody is being "given" something using future tax revenues. All of it is completely unsustainable and all creates instability if / when it is taken away.
None of this is the governments job to pick winners and losers. All of it creates dependent corporations, dependent industries, dependent citizens...All have been promised more than society can pay. Too few have taken responsibility to save before they spend and have overleveredged on the back of the gov's programs. Now these programs must be scaled back but due to all the dependencies...this has left all of us vulnerable to the "recalibrations". Sucks to be us.
Soon the fun starts deciding how much can be paid (sustainably) and to/for what. Extended UE bene's are just one of the first up on the docket of a million programs that can't be truly funded.
If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times, we need tax cuts for the rich and a war in Iran so we can send the poor minorities and white trash off to foreign lands they couldn't locate on a map if the life of their 3rd step mom depended on it...
War pay is better than UE.
Palin / Quayle 2012!!!
Careful! You might just get your wish! You might even get to drive the Humvee in Iran, so it evens out -- lucky you!
You know Goddamned well what the solution is. Don't play stupid, we won't put up with it here.
I read that $620 million a week is chump change.
99rs has a depression era sound to it.
The dems didn't care whether it passed or failed - they almost certainly had already faxed both the "mean republicans" and "hypocritical republicans" press releases to MSNBC.
So, in the Kabuki theater, are you just a member of the audience?
Buy beans, bullets and bullion (not necessarily in any order at this point).
That one's a bukkake target.
Sell! Sell! Sell!
During the mid-1930's, my second-generation Italian dad worked as a 'boat nxgger' on Long Island Sound, New Rochelle, NY, painting hulls, polishing brass, and ferrying the wealthy back and forth from yacht to the Club House, dawn to way past dusk, seven days a week lest someone else take his job. He lived in a unheated shack w/o running water; got leftovers from the kitchen to eat. Thrilled to even have had ANY food and shelter, he nonetheless enlisted in 1939 because at least the barracks at Fort Dix had 3 hots, a cot, AND indoor plumbing. The distant risk of becoming cannon fodder can look like an upgrade to a relentlessly-grueling civilian life. Millions of other vulnerable young men in that post-financial collapse world chose that same option in response to the banksters increasing propaganda, and we all know what happened next. Point is: maybe more butter now = less guns later, even if some bums will always game the system.
Reality check.
Dem majority for TARP.
Dem majority for this voted down extension.
Connect the dots.
Whining unemployed won't move to find a job and just are not hireable at the rate which they "think" they are worth. Business is going better than ever profits are soaring here. (I won't say where because people will think I am touting my state). Unless you take it away, these unemployed will not accept their new lower station in life.
The winners are the true contributors; engineers, business owners and professionals in manufacturing (Only way to truly create value despite those keynesian deniers) who studied and worked hard. Not happy these people can't keep up... but they were just not that important and they were overpaid; easily replaced by Indian and Chinese workers etc.
It was a period of expansion where computers and technologies were growing and money could be made by those companies that could react quickly.. Without the growth and with protocols estabished it is mundane and repetitive work, just like a low paying factory job. That is all these people ever were, and they just can't believe they will never make what the once did. At least ending the benefits will "help" them accept their new reality.
You're a fucking retard.
http://www.rense.com/general80/wally.htm
http://www.kitv.com/r-video/25805246/detail.html
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/08/18/99348/thousands-apply-for-jobs-at-...
http://www.wsmv.com/money/22188383/detail.html
http://www.voicenews.com/articles/2010/07/23/news/doc4c4757a70248f049157...
Shut the fuck up.
Haha, you are exactly the loser I speak of who didn't study.
Darwinism Bitchez
I have an MS in Comp Sci and make a healthy six figures contracting from home.
Suck a bag of dicks, missing link.
gotta love that "them" (vs."us" I am forced to assume) shit.... I gave up counting use of, or implied, "them"........
On a lighter note... McDonalds just created a new Obama Happy Meal......
Just order whatever you want, and the guy behind you will pay for it.
There won't be anyone left to buy all those piece of shit iPads if this trend keeps up!
Americans will revolt if they don't have Unlimited Talk/Text/Data and iPads.
Sad it is when people spent more time finding reasons they can't succeed than they ever did working when (and if) they did have jobs.
A person can post an impressive display of excuses at a quick burst... Maybe they send those acticles to their family members' contributing to their failure to grow up.
<Pity ON>
I pity the mother who had to squirt your ignorant ass into this world.
Big-picture;
I'd like to see the Law of Nature that says that all people who are evolved on and borne on this planet, by this planet, and who eat at its table, are somehow not 100% ENTITLED to the necessities of life, that they require, and absolutely must appropriate from it, one way or another.
Earth provides the whole lot, you provide NONE of it, and not one person reading this has earned one damn thing today, sans the system and the system of cognition that merely asserts you did.
Sorry if you feel you did, but you didn’t. What do you actually do for your sense of entitlement to eat? Skim micro-cents off someoneelses money all day?
How does that make you more entitled to eat exactly?
More entitled than another human being?
No, it doesn’t.
You may feel you more entitled, because you were taugh to assume that, but that is just the system you are ensnared in. That didn't even EXIST a few thousand years ago, and humans have been around a LOT LONGER THAN THAT, taking what they need to survive. And they will again if you make them.
I hate to break it to any hard-arses who have a problem with unemployed people, who stake an equal claim to take from the Earth what they need, but there's no Law of Nature that entitles you to have more than you need to live, nor to deny the same to any other person.
I’m sorry if you were bought up with the current mistaken cultural perversion that you are more entitled to eat and sleep comfortably. You actually aren’t, in widefield terms.
Take the food and bed away from enough of society and there’s no Govt and no system of Justice than can ever keep you safe.
That's why it is called, Social-Security.
It isn't just to provide free shit for the poor, it’s to allow you and yours to sleep securely at night, and function acceptably during the day, and for you life to be satisfying and so when you park your car it is still there when you come back to it. Getting it now?
get.a.clue.
Enlightened self-interest is well beyond the mental faculties of these troglodytes, I'm afraid.
Survival of the fittest bitchez, no matter what you want it to be; it always comes down to that.
Exponentential growth of non-contributors will not ever succeed you democrats!
I'd say we'll miss you, but that'd be a lie.
Snowball - I have to ask. What exactly is the problem with asking the government to find a way to fund a 3rd year of UE by cutting something else out of the budget?
I mean, it is how I handle MY fucking books. I can't print money. If my family wants to..oh I don't know...find a way to donate food to hungry people, we find a way to do it and NOT CHARGE THE FUCKING CREDIT CARD.
What is the issue with asking the gov't to do exactly the same?
The Repug stance is well-tuned to provide plausible deniability and little more...much like the kabuki they do about earmarks (as if that isn't spit in the budgetary ocean).
I'd be fine with them using the money from Lindsay Graham's convention center, Palin's earmarks for Wasilla (public transpo? a redundant comm center for the cops?), or any number of line items from the DoD budget. The $33B needed to extend UI benefits is about half of the supplemental costs of running the war in AfPak for this year.
My problem is not with rational fiscal governance (not that I'd give a lick of credit to Repugnants in that respect), but with what is being cut.
You can't print money, but you could find a higher paying job. If "finding a way to do it" requires selling the car you use to get to work, you're not any better off than using the credit card.
snowball - You are a funny guy.
I notice you did not mention how much dough the DEMOCRAT majority leader made on his wasteful spending (do some research on land deals in NV) or the 30 million that Speaker Pelosi get, so you reveal yourself as a true lib, and I will discuss with you accordingly
You are right, I can go out and earn more money, in oorder to feed hungry people. As is the case with lefties in general, you act as though it is my only solution. Of course it is not. Classic puke. You conveniently leave out the fact that I can always find ways to spoend lees money in order to achieve my goal.
I'm sure that never crossed your mind, you are likely still denying that Reid and Pelosi are not beneficiaries of the same cheese you call Palin out for. That is SOP for 40% of the population.
Cut entire budget by 10%, ALL THE WAY, count me in.
Raise the debt ceiling for perpetual entitlement......totally unacceptable.
As a 'true lib', I've never been a fan of Plushy or Hairy Reed...ineffective and spineless as most other Democrats, but I find it important to call out hypocrisy when I see it (did Pelosi or Reid call for ending earmarks for a photo op?).
I won't bother responding to the series of false suppositions; suffice to say that I have zero personal debt.
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