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Joe Lieberman's Campaign To Trample The First Amendment Is Proceeding Right On Schedule

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As if it wasn't enough that America's ruling oligarchs were sufficiently happy with abdicating their governing duties to the Federal Reserve, they have now decided to imitate China in every possible way, and in addition to making up economic data as they go (for actual numbers just look around you, for all the other imaginary bullshit there's the BLS), they have now proceeded to wipe their ass with the first amendment, on their way to converting the US to a complete banana republic. After Joe Lieberman made a mockery of Internet freedom of speech (and of Amazon's independence) he has now decided to step up his campaign against un-coopted journalists everywhere, precisely as we suspected would happen next in the USSA. Per MSNBC, the Independent Connecticut senator has told Tableau, a Seattle company that allows Web users to post charts, to remove
several charts describing the release of WikiLeaks material. The company
removed the charts on Thursday, following the lead of Amazon, which had
taken down the WikiLeaks documents themselves. The punchline: none of the charts contained any classified data: "The charts were not produced by WikiLeaks, but by a freelance journalist. And they contained no classified or secret material. The charts merely depicted how many times each country, or topic, was discussed in the cables." In other words, as Bill Dedman concludes: "these charts were journalism."

A cached version of the chart in question is being reproduced below:

Tableau's statement in response to Lieberman's bullying was as follows:

Wednesday afternoon, Tableau Software removed data visualizations published by WikiLeaks to Tableau Public. We understand this is a sensitive issue and want to assure the public and our users that this was not an easy decision, nor one that we took lightly. . . .

Our decision to remove the data from our servers came in response to a public request by Senator Joe Lieberman, who chairs the Senate Homeland Security Committee, when he called for organizations hosting WikiLeaks to terminate their relationship with the website.

Below is the take of Salon's Glenn Greenwald on this incurision into the last remaining liberty that Americans actually had left (in addition to collecting jobless benefits in perpetuity of course... and buying NFLX at 1,000x fwd PE):

Those are the benign, purely legal documents that have now been removed from the Internet in response to Joe Lieberman's demands and implied threats.  He's on some kind of warped mission where he's literally running around single-handedly dictating what political content can and cannot be on the Internet, issuing broad-based threats to "all companies" that -- by design -- are causing suppression of political information.  I understand Tableau's behavior here; imagine if you were a small company and Joe Lieberman basically announced:   I am Homeland Security and you are to cease being involved with this organization which many say is a Terrorist group and Enemy Combatant.  What Lieberman is doing is a severe abuse of power, and even for our anemic, power-revering media, it ought to be a major scandal (though it's not because, as Digby says, all our media stars can process is that "Julian Assange is icky"). 

If people -- especially journalists -- can't be riled when Joe Lieberman is unilaterally causing the suppression of political content from the Internet, when will they be? After all, as Jeffrey Goldberg pointed out in condemning this, the same rationale Lieberman is using to demand that Amazon and all other companies cease any contact with WikiLeaks would justify similar attacks on The New York Times, since they've published the same exact diplomatic cables on its site as WikiLeaks has on its (added:  the only diplomatic cables posted on the WikiLeaks site thus far are the ones published by the newspapers with which WikiLeaks partnered -- such as the NYT, Guardian, Der Spiegel, etc. -- and they include those newspapers' redactions; no other cables have yet been posted to the WikiLeaks site).  What Joe Lieberman is doing is indescribably pernicious and if "journalists" cared in the slightest about their own self-interest -- never mind all the noble things they pretend to care about -- they ought to be vociferously objecting to this.

As this pretty much covers it all, there is little to add.

Our advice: after Lieberman is done censoring the Internet, he and his fellow deranged banker puppets will start going down the list of constitutional amendments... which is why if you have been putting of on procuring that gun permit, and putting that bar or two of gold in a safe far, far away from America, this may be a good time to do so.

 


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Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:27 | Link to Comment Bearster
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Wasn't it Lieberman, along with Gore, way back in the early 1990's who said to the video game industry: "censor yourself or you will be censored"?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:41 | Link to Comment quintago
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This is part of the fifth column's plan to make criticism of Israel, and related histories illegal in this country like they have been able to get through in some european countries and Canada.

Just look at HR 6277 which is making its way through congress.

Lieberman should be thrown out  

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:46 | Link to Comment Bearster
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Yeah that's it, it's all about Israel.  Not.

 

 

P.S.  Do you really believe that??  Or is your islamist fifth column spewing whatever propaganda you think you can get people to swallow?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:02 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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The far scarier recent development that this article does not mention is that Sarah Palin has called for Assange to get the same treatment as taliban leaders (for example, targeted assassination with CIA drones, etc.):

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/898848--palin-hunt-wikileaks-d...

If Sarah Palin and the republicans win the next presidential election then the assassination of journalists might actually become official policy.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:22 | Link to Comment Red Neck Repugnicant
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This article must be a hoax because the cornerstone of Sarah Palin's political message is the sanctity of the Constitution, e.g. freedom of speech. 

.....Or maybe she's just another fucking hypocrite like all the Republicans. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 07:10 | Link to Comment Blano
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I was wondering how you were going to somehow blame this on Fox News or the Right.  Amazing. 

 

You're such a dumbfuck troll you make Nancy Pelosi look good.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 08:04 | Link to Comment nmewn
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“We need new catalysts for quality news and entertainment programming,” he said. “I hunger for quality news. I’m tired of the right and the left. There’s a little bug inside of me which wants the FCC to say to Fox and to MSNBC, ‘Out. Off. End. Good-bye.’ It’d be a big favor to political discourse, our ability to do our work here in Congress and to the American people to be able to talk with each other and have some faith in their government and more importantly in their future.”

Senator Rockefeller

Mr. Rockefeller has a dream...LOL.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/onmedia/1110/Sen_Rockefeller_slams_MSNBC_Fox.html

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:56 | Link to Comment chopper read
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HIGH TREASON.

the International Banking Cartel does not wish us to connect the dots.  it all begins with the rockefeller traitors. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:06 | Link to Comment homersimpson
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You should add he makes Barney Frank look smart.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:42 | Link to Comment ibjamming
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Please...Fox News is just as corrupt as the others.  Hell, they want a "Christian Taliban".

 

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 11:03 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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I don't think anyone can make Nancy Pelosi look good ...

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 08:59 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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 Red Neck   ... a "hoax"?

 

“Why was he not pursued with the same urgency we pursue Al Qaeda and Taliban leaders?" - Sarah Palin

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20024066-503544.html

 Perhaps the most serious problem with so-called "red necks" is their willingness, if not eagerness, to sacrifice economic and political security in order to pursue an illusory "military" security against all conceivable military hypotheticals. Thus, martial or police state legislation and economic ruin are less a threat for them than are the illiterate peasants in one of the most poverty-ridden countries of the world.

And in their fanatical pursuit of military excess, they believe even having one soldier committed somewhere in the world equates to a mortal "state of war" wherein no sacrifice can be too great.

 Ultimately rednecks wind up in endless wars, against undefined enemies ("insurgents" everywhere), seeking a borderless global "full-spectrum dominance" over all lands, people, and resources (the official Pentagon goal).

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:30 | Link to Comment snowball777
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One might ask Saint Sarah why our ally, North Korea, is harboring OBL.

Be prepared for a coached and sincere answer in a language bearing some resemblance to english which completely reveals that she has no idea whatsoever it was a joke.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:34 | Link to Comment Dapper Dan
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"He who defends everything, defends nothing"....

Idontknow, circa 1520

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:45 | Link to Comment ibjamming
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It's because rednecks/Reps/conservatives are MEN...and men like to fight.  Liberals/Dems/pansies are feminized...they don't like to fight. 

It's not that difficult to understand. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:24 | Link to Comment Pure Evil
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Sure, its hard to comprehend, especially if you're a liberal/Dem feminized pansy.

Of course, Liberal/Socialist/Communist/Dems have been known to become embroiled in their own little wars,

Truman/Korea

Kennedy/Johnson/McNamara/Vietnam

FDR/WWII

Wilson/WWI

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 11:58 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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 The elite leadership do have their own motives for war and empire, which are typically different than the jingoist pablum served to redneck commoners.

 The "liberal" leaders you list may be just as warlike as many so-called conservative leaders. Generally, in the past, leaders of either political stripe had reservations about excessive military political influence and power. Arguably, at least one "liberal" leader paid the ultimate price.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22071

 

Nowadays, whether neoliberal Blair or Obama, or neoconservative Cheney or Lieberman, any reservations about the global Pentagon/NATO war machine are absent.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:01 | Link to Comment Bob
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There's some truth in what you say, yet when you picture every mass movement of the last hundred years, from Suffrage to Labor to Civil Rights to the Anti-War Movement, every single busted head, dog-chewed arm and leg, and bat-beaten body dragged into a paddy wagon was attached to a liberal.

Conservatives tend to talk plenty about violence, but are loathe to take it beyond talk into the real world where they realistically can't bring their guns. 

Not to say that the Tea Party doesn't have potential, but we have yet to see anyone but liberals actually put their lives on the line for any cause in America for over a century. 

EDIT: Not quite LOL . . . but think about what you just said, man, that Women don't like to fight.  LOL.  Talk about reality-deprived stereotypes. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:28 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Seems to me you need some therapy -- go to this clinic:

http://www.engrish.com//wp-content/uploads/2010/12/good-good-sex-shangha...

You can thank me afterwards! :>D

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 04:47 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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The far scarier recent development

 

No, the far scarier recent development  is

If people -- especially journalists -- can't be riled when Joe Lieberman is unilaterally causing the suppression of political content from the Internet, when will they be?

 

Not so long ago, in Europe, Muslims tried to censor a comics. A comics.

Large reaction by the crowd with demonstrations, intellectuals mustering to fight for freedom of speech.

No matter the position on freedom of speech  and censorship,  what we learned here is that Muslims act was the climax of censorship, what should be avoided at all cost: censoring a comics.

Meanwhile President Obama and the Congressmen were able to censor documents showing US military personal torturing by ordering the destruction of the documents on ground that they would give a bad name to the torturers.

Now with that Assange's business. The question is simple: The Muslims in Europe tried to censor a comics, they got put  back in line. Fine.

Fine but where is the crowd for the torture stuff, Assange's stuff? Where are the demonstrations? Where are all those intellectuals demanding that freedom of speech has to be respected as a western value?

Gang's mentality, freedom of speech is an illusion in the Western world.

We showed the Muslims who is the boss as we prevented them from censoring data that offended them. Meanwhile, we show the world who is the boss by censoring data that annoy us.

This is what gangs do: they are heavy on leaking information on others and privy on their  sensitive material.

Duplicity reigns in the West since 1776. The Chinese do censor but at least they admit it. They dont need to masquerade their censorship acts by hijacking humanity and human rights as it is done here.

Much scarier than Palin's declaration.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 06:33 | Link to Comment More Critical T...
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Much scarier than Palin's declaration.

Nice rant, but you missed the "Palin might become the next president of the United States, commanding the US military, the CIA, the DHS, the NSA, the FBI and other security services" part of my argument.

Iit must have been quite an effort to miss that.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:43 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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How was it a rant?

Just a sequence of observations...

Palin might become President. Okay, and?

Does not the current President illustrate pretty well that the exercize of personal power in the US can be extremely limited?

Palin will do no more than the aggregation of people in power, this at all levels, will allow her to do.

Palin ordering this or that, Palin struggling to limit this or that will find the support the elements of the power structures want to provide. Nothing more. Nothing less.

So it is much better to admit that the support for certain actions is quite large in the US rather than to think that a lone president will trigger it all because on the papers, he is given this or that power.

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Bob
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I don't like to get sucked into political debates defined in traditional partisan political terms, but Palin deserves comment. 

It one thing when a coward, whether of the left or right, succumbs to external pressure even when a POTUS.  It's a whole 'nuther matter when that person seizes the world media spotlight to publicly call for assassination to enforce censorship. 

Think about it. 

If you genuinely care about the issues of this thread, you must now permanently cross Palin off your List of people you can risk being in charge.  Once Barry's deposed, of course. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:16 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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The proper action to apply to those that call for censorship is to pile on EVEN MORE of that which they are objecting to, until it sinks through their bony craniums THAT THERE WILL BE NO CENSORSHIP!

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 05:09 | Link to Comment l1xx3r
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Everyone is allowed their own opinions and beliefs. Just because you might not be intelligent enough to make your own and have to criticize others to feel like you are contributing, doesn't mean they have swallowed propaganda and you haven't.

No one really knows what is going on, so your blantent lack of respect is apparent.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:09 | Link to Comment hardcleareye
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Your logic is circular and seriously flawed. 

But you closing sentence was over the top, it really made me laugh.  Of course  "you might not be intelligent enough" to appreciate the humor you have provided.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:20 | Link to Comment Bob
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+10

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:35 | Link to Comment snowball777
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"Do you really believe that??  Or is your islamist fifth column spewing..."

You'd have to be Palin-class retarded not to notice how tightly coupled the schmuck from CT is to Israel, no 5th column required.


Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:18 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Kinda makes ya wonder what kinda frothing at the mouth fit Lieberman's gonna have when dispatches relating to Israel start getting published...

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:17 | Link to Comment chopper read
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i'm no Palin-basher, as she is not a member of the international banking cartel, although she could become a useful idiot quickly as it relates to war. 

that said, i agree with you fellas on your other observations entirely. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:01 | Link to Comment rocker
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'Yeah that's it, it's all about Israel'  Yes I do.  100%     If you don't, your delusional and the perfect sheeple.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:53 | Link to Comment Bananamerican
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easily one of the most loathsome individuals in the senate.

Combo Yertile the turtle, elmer fudd and meyer lansky....a shriveled, corrupt, egoist

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:53 | Link to Comment chopper read
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POLICE STATE. 

 

Lieberman is either a co-conspirator or a useful idiot.  either way, he swore to uphold the U.S. Constitution and he is guilty of HIGH TREASON.  This crime will not stand.  Joe Lieberman, and other legislators of his ilk, can expect a full trial when we regain our Constitutional liberties one way or another.  

NEXT STOP: A U.S. BAILOUT AND 'SPECIAL DRAWING RIGHTS' FROM THE INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND, UNLESS WE RESIST THE FEUDAL PLAN WHICH IS CURRENTLY CAUSING OUR COLLAPSE.

 

http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/plot-enslave-you

 

bullets, precious metals, freeze-dried food, firewood, a greenhouse, a source of fresh water, a network of friends. these are the necessities if what appears to be coming does.

Our population is incredibly naive, and i have a feeling that they will be the first in line to sign up for national socialism. this, undoubtedly, will cause a civil war, in my opinion.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:15 | Link to Comment Careless Whisper
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can i see a chart of the big pharma payments to hadassah lieberman over the years?

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:28 | Link to Comment Red Neck Repugnicant
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bullets, precious metals, freeze-dried food, firewood, a greenhouse, a source of fresh water, a network of friends. these are the necessities if what appears to be coming does.

cuckoo cuckoo

Two Questions:

1.  When you speak of a network of friends, are you suggesting that I join Verizon's Friends and Family Plan?

2. Why is there an association between total lunatics and an obsession with freeze-dried/canned foods?

cuckoo cuckoo

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:31 | Link to Comment Green Leader
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You are a very stupid individual.

This site is for people with real intelligence.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:04 | Link to Comment Red Neck Repugnicant
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On November 29th, in the thread entitled, Some Thoughts on Austerity, you posted:

When "the shit really hits the fan" the Asians will be attacked with race-specific bioweapons. Bye bye

So, is this the sort of intelligence that's required to post here, or do I need to tell everyone how I have 25 canned hams buried in my back yard?  Or, better yet, do I need to post a link to some bigoted anti-jew website, as you did further down this page?

 

I'm somewhat confused as to what real intelligence is. Please advise.


 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:12 | Link to Comment merehuman
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stay calm, your last sentence indicates you are aware of your status. Thats a good start.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 06:23 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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thanks for saying anti-jew as anti-semitic is terribly imprecise and misleading since it includes all semitic people.  as it is a distinction based on language and includes hebrew and arabic, as well as others (maltese, etc.) it doesn't get at the problem at all.

in most cases here, an even better term would be anti-zionist or anti-likud.  an instructive example is to compare two jews: a totally evil piece of dung like lie-berman (also helped kill glass-steagall) and one taking truth to power daily like greenwald who actually believes in and defends the u.s. constitution. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:40 | Link to Comment blindfaith
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divide and conquer, so simple.  Make those who do not follow, the brunt of public shame and humiliation.  Keep your small group in a state of constant unification regardless of the subject, and respond and react as one force united against any challenger, by force if necessary, and your rank and file will grow.  Repeat the doctrine as one voice, as the correct and right voice until it becomes the rule the chant.  Rally around one, regardless of the outcome.  Use fear and loathing as your weapon of choice. 

It worked in Germany, and the children of the childern of leaders who fled are now of age.

If you think "c" Street and "j" Street are batting for the same team, you don't get it.

Americans will march to whatever orders they are given, don't kid yourself and hold out that somehow everyone will wake up and do anything to stop the deterioration of the rules of law that build America, or ensured their freedoms.  We are a lazy rotted bunch now.

When you have Senators and Congressmen who say, outright without hesitation, that they are changing parties "to be on the 'right side' of the game" not because they believe in a doctrine but because thay don't want to be see as "thinking the wrong way"...you have seen the what the Germans saw.  This is not about party affiliation, I want to make that VERY clear, this is about who controls the 'elected' leaders Dem or Rep..... this is about who pays them to do their bidding.  As for Mr. Lieberman, he was just slightly ahead of his time and likely seen by his peers as easy to go fetch any bone tossed.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 11:54 | Link to Comment chopper read
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divide and conquer, so simple.  Make those who do not follow, the brunt of public shame and humiliation.

 

exactly their modus operandi.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:19 | Link to Comment chopper read
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many Americans of Jewish origin are being destroyed by this International Banking Cartel.  'nuff said.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:49 | Link to Comment Green Leader
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And in the very end, the banking cartel will be destroyed by their supreme leader. It's a set-up.

That's how it will work out.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:42 | Link to Comment Green Leader
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The distinction is genetic (Genesis 10: 1-3).

Semites are descendants of Shem, whereas Ashkenazi Jew-ish are descendants of Ashkenaz.

The Ashkenazi love to play that anti-semitic race card. At the same time, they are responsible for the genocide of Sephardim children.

Google radiation experiment + Sephardic children.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 14:59 | Link to Comment chopper read
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mate, i would rather just focus on the mechanics of how some individuals are covertly enslaved and coerced by other individuals. 

its a fact, we are all African cousins within 30,000 years as discovered through our very own DNA by the National Geographic Human Genome Project. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genome_project

i can fundamentally tell you that you are going to lose listeners by bringing race into the conversation.  this is counterproductive for all of us who wish to regain our liberty as protected under the U.S. Constitution. 

 

Please, let it go. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 15:11 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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++

-but you still suck

 ,)

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 16:36 | Link to Comment chopper read
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thanks, buddy.  i do sometimes.  its true!  :)

Sat, 12/04/2010 - 01:50 | Link to Comment Green Leader
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Hi,

Thanks for the feedback. However, you are making a wrong assumption:

"i can fundamentally tell you that you are going to lose listeners by bringing race into the conversation.  this is counterproductive for all of us who wish to regain our liberty as protected under the U.S. Constitution."

I do not live in the 50 states of the United States of America nor District of Columbia. In fact, English is not my native language.

I can see your point in order to gain adepts, but truth is truth--and the Zionists, the false Jews of Revelation 3:9 (or the Jew-ish, as I call them) do have a global conspiracy and do believe to be some sort of master race. Their aim is to destroy White Christian European nations and their offspring by several means.

They took down a lot of Sephardim in order to be the dominant group in the state of Israel. Ironically, Sephardic Hebrew pronunciation is the official one taught in Israel. We, the Sephardim, are in danger. So few of us are aware that it will be a mass butcher. Kosovo will look like a cheap movie.

I sympathize with your cause but believe it to be hopeless. Although I do not endorse the following website, it could offer you a different perspective.

http://watchmanscry.com/

Pray for wisdom.

G/L

Sat, 12/04/2010 - 19:58 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Jews kill Jews. Christians kill Christians. Muslims kill Muslims...and all variants in between.

You ask the reader to believe in some grand conspiracy of purpose...a generational plan passed from one generation to the next.

All evidence points to only one thing...evil men will do evil things irregardless of religion or race.

As a Christian am I happy with the betrayal of Jesus? No.

Do I hate Jews because of this betrayal? How can I? It is what God wished to happen. It was His purpose.

The Bible says "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:..."

Do I hate another Christian (in this case a Catholic) for crafting them & praying to/through them? No. How can I? We believe in the same God.

They are not evil...just confused...LOL.

Next, one would suppose, the reader will be treated to an expose' that Israel was founded (or taken back, depending on your belief system) for Nazi expatriates, Vichey French etc. that is, Ashkenazic's, instead of for all Jews.

This subject certainly get's tiresome to me...I'm sure it also gets tiresome to Muslims who promote it ;-)

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 03:25 | Link to Comment i-dog
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"This subject certainly get's tiresome to me...I'm sure it also gets tiresome to Muslims who promote it"

Your naïveté (and willful ignorance) is quite disturbing. I can only hope that you don't have a family that is dependent on you for support and protection in the next few years.

If you can't grasp pattern recognition ... or heed the warnings of such men as Jefferson, Jackson, Wilson and Eisenhower ... then you may also ignore my last words on the subject: 9-11 was a planned 'event' to symbolise the beginning of the final stage of another long-planned 'event' -- the destruction of the American middle class and their enslavement (since their financial 'independence' has been the most potent potential force to deprive the oligarchy of unquestioned power). You will remember these words in about 2 more years when all of America is on welfare and under the rule of DHS and FEMA.

Unlike Green Leader, I don't blame either the Mooslims or the Joos -- religion is but a tool of the oligarchy to maintain division and confusion. The end result in the years ahead will more than likely be a single world religion (concocted by the oligarchy from origins that pre-date the Abrahamic religions) to serve the era of "eternal peace under a wondrous monarchy". Good luck with waiting for your god to save you.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 09:44 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Well, if it isn't my ole friend i-dog sniffing my t(r)ail ;-)

If you would have taken the time to notice I was addressing the evil that men do. I was pointing out to greenie (who has his own generational axe to grind) that it is not just one culture, religion or race that is capable of or has had their hands stained by it.

But to your pre-suppossing points;

"Your naïveté (and willful ignorance) is quite disturbing. I can only hope that you don't have a family that is dependent on you for support and protection in the next few years."

I would imagine you would find it "quite disturbing" that I relocated my home out of a city decades ago, long before I even had children, acquiring enough property & access to fresh water to grow enough crops to sustain us. The area around has an abundance of wildlife & fish to meet any and all meat requirements.

Now, I ask, do you judge this premeditated action on my part as willful ignorance or naive? Or just a hedge against what could be?

"If you can't grasp pattern recognition ... or heed the warnings of such men as Jefferson, Jackson, Wilson and Eisenhower..."

I have spoken of their wisdom many times...it is you who have failed to recognize my words.

"then you may also ignore my last words on the subject: 9-11 was a planned 'event' to symbolise the beginning of the final stage of another long-planned 'event'"

Somehow...I don't know why...but I doubt these will be your "last words on the subject"...LOL.

The very day 911 happened the mooslims began their conspiracy crap. It was the joos they said. Clearly the hijackers were not joos...we have plowed this ground more than once...they were Saudi, damn near to the man and they believed in a bastardized religion derived from moon gods or some damned thing. There is simply no way to get around this provable fact. The towers were attacked before by the same nutcases using a truck bomb, without success. There is simply no way to get around this provable fact also.

To say that any organization (sanctioned by the US government apparently...using shaped charges, your words, not mine) could do this successfully, unseen, undetected, undiscovered when it can't even agree on a budget for fiscal 2010 or keep "secret" documents out of access to 3 million government employees thereby from Wiki strains credulity.

In the here and now...as a man...living as nothing more than a mortal man...I try to deal in facts, logic & law...not fantasy.

"The end result in the years ahead will more than likely be a single world religion (concocted by the oligarchy from origins that pre-date the Abrahamic religions) to serve the era of "eternal peace under a wondrous monarchy".

You should read the Book of Revelations.

"Good luck with waiting for your god to save you."

Now your going somewhere else.

The thing with atheists is this...they have faith.

Faith, that they have researched the unknowable for men, have discovered all evidence that there is to know and have therefore made a leap of faith that there is no God.

But it still requires a certain amount of faith to adhere to it doesn't it? How weird is that? ;-)

As for me, I don't much worry about what is beyond my ability to control. What I can control or shape, is opinion on what try's to control us in the here and now.

On this I believe we are in agreement. It is the ever increasing power of any centralized government over the lives of everyday people. That is, the here and now.

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 13:49 | Link to Comment chopper read
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right.  you good men are splitting hairs.  we know there are sociopaths conspiring against us.  they may or may not find loyalty to one another as it relates to religious background.  However, if they are listening, i would point out to them that the elimination of genetic diversity is not a good long-term goal for survival.  secondly, even in places where everyone is of the same religion, folks typically find other reasons to kill each other (see: Northern Ireland).  I do not ignore the fact that our foreign policy favors Israel, for example.  however, i believe that our largely Christian population blindly favors this because Jesus was a Jew.  Anyway, its a sad commentary and takes the attention away from the major challenge, which is small vs. big, decentralization vs. centralization, and peaceful free trade and liberty vs. oligarchial fascism and oppression. 

Sun, 12/05/2010 - 16:39 | Link to Comment nmewn
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"you good men are splitting hairs.  we know there are sociopaths conspiring against us."

Probably so.

"However, if they are listening, i would point out to them that the elimination of genetic diversity is not a good long-term goal for survival."

LOL...indeed. I'm sure there's a burka joke in there somewhere ;-)

"secondly, even in places where everyone is of the same religion, folks typically find other reasons to kill each other (see: Northern Ireland)."

It was on my mind when I referenced Catholics & Protestants...myself as what one could call "protestant".

"however, i believe that our largely Christian population blindly favors this because Jesus was a Jew."

And I don't see a problem with a preference in allies...if we are to be involved in foreign entanglements I would say it is desirable to be allied with those who share some of our values...at least. We have warm relations with Jordan as well.

The widespread progressive fixation on throwing a small nation (at one point 35 miles across) that is surrounded by hostile country's (many who have sworn to destroy it) under the bus, out of some as yet undefined sense of fairness, has always puzzled me. There is never any discussion of why X country would be a better ally in the area...just stab Israel in the back...it has an instinctively cowardly feel to it...as if an Arab is pulling a dagger from beneath his robe...prolly just me.

"Anyway, its a sad commentary and takes the attention away from the major challenge, which is small vs. big, decentralization vs. centralization, and peaceful free trade and liberty vs. oligarchial fascism and oppression."

Exactly so chopper.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:02 | Link to Comment quasimodo
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25 canned hams stopped being funny many days ago. STFU already

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:32 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Right, because what could possibly go wrong? Everythings fine! As long as the Lithium keeps flowing from the media 24/7. Along with Bernankes magical monetizing machine....only costs $40 billion a week to keep it running.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:36 | Link to Comment Red Neck Repugnicant
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Yes!  The unibomber's here!  Nice to see you tonight.  I knew if I said cuckoo cuckoo, there would be a high probability of you showing up. 

It's one of the few noises that'll pull you away from the salt block. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:49 | Link to Comment chopper read
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ha, ha.  its sort of funny that you mentioned the unibomber.  he called this a long time ago:

Once upon a time, the captain and the mates of a ship grew so vain of their seamanship, so full of hubris and so impressed with themselves, that they went mad. They turned the ship north and sailed until they met with icebergs and dangerous floes, and they kept sailing north into more and more perilous waters, solely in order to give themselves opportunities to perform ever-more-brilliant feats of seamanship.

As the ship reached higher and higher latitudes, the passengers and crew became increasingly uncomfortable. They began quarreling among themselves and complaining of the conditions under which they lived.

"Shiver me timbers," said an able seaman, "if this ain't the worst voyage I've ever been on. The deck is slick with ice; when I'm on lookout the wind cuts through me jacket like a knife; every time I reef the foresail I blamed-near freeze me fingers; and all I get for it is a miserable five shillings a month!"

"You think you have it bad!" said a lady passenger. "I can't sleep at night for the cold. Ladies on this ship don't get as many blankets as the men. It isn't fair!"

A Mexican sailor chimed in: "¡Chingado! I'm only getting half the wages of the Anglo seamen. We need plenty of food to keep us warm in this climate, and I'm not getting my share; the Anglos get more. And the worst of it is that the mates always give me orders in English instead of Spanish."

"I have more reason to complain than anybody," said an American Indian sailor. "If the palefaces hadn't robbed me of my ancestral lands, I wouldn't even be on this ship, here among the icebergs and arctic winds. I would just be paddling a canoe on a nice, placid lake. I deserve compensation. At the very least, the captain should let me run a crap game so that I can make some money."

The bosun spoke up: "Yesterday the first mate called me a 'fruit' just because I suck cocks. I have a right to suck cocks without being called names for it!"

It's not only humans who are mistreated on this ship," interjected an animal-lover among the passengers, her voice quivering with indignation. "Why, last week I saw the second mate kick the ship's dog twice!"

One of the passengers was a college professor. Wringing his hands he exclaimed,

"All this is just awful! It's immoral! It's racism, sexism, speciesism, homophobia, and exploitation of the working class! It's discrimination! We must have social justice: Equal wages for the Mexican sailor, higher wages for all sailors, compensation for the Indian, equal blankets for the ladies, a guaranteed right to suck cocks, and no more kicking the dog!"

"Yes, yes!" shouted the passengers. "Aye-aye!" shouted the crew. "It's discrimination! We have to demand our rights!"

The cabin boy cleared his throat.

"Ahem. You all have good reasons to complain. But it seems to me that what we really have to do is get this ship turned around and headed back south, because if we keep going north we're sure to be wrecked sooner or later, and then your wages, your blankets, and your right to suck cocks won't do you any good, because we'll all drown."

But no one paid any attention to him, because he was only the cabin boy.

The captain and the mates, from their station on the poop deck, had been watching and listening. Now they smiled and winked at one another, and at a gesture from the captain the third mate came down from the poop deck, sauntered over to where the passengers and crew were gathered, and shouldered his way in amongst them. He put a very serious expression on his face and spoke thusly:

"We officers have to admit that some really inexcusable things have been happening on this ship. We hadn't realized how bad the situation was until we heard your complaints. We are men of good will and want to do right by you. But - well - the captain is rather conservative and set in his ways, and may have to be prodded a bit before he'll make any substantial changes. My personal opinion is that if you protest vigorously - but always peacefully and without violating any of the ship's rules - you would shake the captain out of his inertia and force him to address the problems of which you so justly complain."

Having said this, the third mate headed back toward the poop deck. As he went, the passengers and crew called after him, "Moderate! Reformer! Goody-liberal! Captain's stooge!" But they nevertheless did as he said. They gathered in a body before the poop deck, shouted insults at the officers, and demanded their rights: "I want higher wages and better working conditions," cried the able seaman. "Equal blankets for women," cried the lady passenger. "I want to receive my orders in Spanish," cried the Mexican sailor. "I want the right to run a crap game," cried the Indian sailor. "I don't want to be called a fruit," cried the bosun. "No more kicking the dog," cried the animal lover. "Revolution now," cried the professor.

The captain and the mates huddled together and conferred for several minutes, winking, nodding and smiling at one another all the while. Then the captain stepped to the front of the poop deck and, with a great show of benevolence, announced that the able seaman's wages would be raised to six shillings a month; the Mexican sailor's wages would be raised to two-thirds the wages of an Anglo seaman, and the order to reef the foresail would be given in Spanish; lady passengers would receive one more blanket; the Indian sailor would be allowed to run a crap game on Saturday nights; the bosun wouldn't be called a fruit as long as he kept his cocksucking strictly private; and the dog wouldn't be kicked unless he did something really naughty, such as stealing food from the galley.

The passengers and crew celebrated these concessions as a great victory, but the next morning, they were again feeling dissatisfied.

"Six shillings a month is a pittance, and I still freeze me fingers when I reef the foresail," grumbled the able seaman. "I'm still not getting the same wages as the Anglos, or enough food for this climate," said the Mexican sailor. "We women still don't have enough blankets to keep us warm," said the lady passenger. The other crewmen and passengers voiced similar complaints, and the professor egged them on.

When they were done, the cabin boy spoke up - louder this time so that the others could not easily ignore him:

"It's really terrible that the dog gets kicked for stealing a bit of bread from the galley, and that women don't have equal blankets, and that the able seaman gets his fingers frozen; and I don't see why the bosun shouldn't suck cocks if he wants to. But look how thick the icebergs are now, and how the wind blows harder and harder! We've got to turn this ship back toward the south, because if we keep going north we'll be wrecked and drowned."

"Oh yes," said the bosun, "It's just so awful that we keep heading north. But why should I have to keep cocksucking in the closet? Why should I be called a fruit? Ain't I as good as everyone else?"

"Sailing north is terrible," said the lady passenger. "But don't you see? That's exactly why women need more blankets to keep them warm. I demand equal blankets for women now!"

"It's quite true," said the professor, "that sailing to the north imposes great hardships on all of us. But changing course toward the south would be unrealistic. You can't turn back the clock. We must find a mature way of dealing with the situation."

"Look," said the cabin boy, "If we let those four madmen up on the poop deck have their way, we'll all be drowned. If we ever get the ship out of danger, then we can worry about working conditions, blankets for women, and the right to suck cocks. But first we've got to get this vessel turned around. If a few of us get together, make a plan, and show some courage, we can save ourselves. It wouldn't take many of us - six or eight would do. We could charge the poop, chuck those lunatics overboard, and turn the ship to the south."

The professor elevated his nose and said sternly, "I don't believe in violence. It's immoral."

"It's unethical ever to use violence," said the bosun.

"I'm terrified of violence," said the lady passenger.

The captain and the mates had been watching and listening all the while. At a signal from the captain, the third mate stepped down to the main deck. He went about among the passengers and crew, telling them that there were still many problems on the ship.

"We have made much progress," he said, "But much remains to be done. Working conditions for the able seaman are still hard, the Mexican still isn't getting the same wages as the Anglos, the women still don't have quite as many blankets as the men, the Indian's Saturday-night crap game is a paltry compensation for his lost lands, it's unfair to the bosun that he has to keep his cocksucking in the closet, and the dog still gets kicked at times.

"I think the captain needs to be prodded again. It would help if you all would put on another protest - as long as it remains nonviolent."

As the third mate walked back toward the stern, the passengers and the crew shouted insults after him, but they nevertheless did what he said and gathered in front of the poop deck for another protest. They ranted and raved and brandished their fists, and they even threw a rotten egg at the captain (which he skillfully dodged).

After hearing their complaints, the captain and the mates huddled for a conference, during which they winked and grinned broadly at one another. Then the captain stepped to the front of the poop deck and announced that the able seaman would be given gloves to keep his fingers warm, the Mexican sailor would receive wages equal to three-fourths the wages of an Anglo seaman, the women would receive yet another blanket, the Indian sailor could run a crap game on Saturday and Sunday nights, the bosun would be allowed to suck cocks publicly after dark, and no one could kick the dog without special permission from the captain.

The passengers and crew were ecstatic over this great revolutionary victory, but by the next morning they were again feeling dissatisfied and began grumbling about the same old hardships.

The cabin boy this time was getting angry.

"You damn fools!" he shouted. "Don't you see what the captain and the mates are doing? They're keeping you occupied with your trivial grievances about blankets and wages and the dog being kicked so that you won't think about what is really wrong with this ship --- that it's getting farther and farther to the north and we're all going to be drowned. If just a few of you would come to your senses, get together, and charge the poop deck, we could turn this ship around and save ourselves. But all you do is whine about petty little issues like working conditions and crap games and the right to suck cocks."

The passengers and the crew were incensed.

"Petty!!" cried the Mexican, "Do you think it's reasonable that I get only three-fourths the wages of an Anglo sailor? Is that petty?

"How can you call my grievance trivial? shouted the bosun. "Don't you know how humiliating it is to be called a fruit?"

"Kicking the dog is not a 'petty little issue!'" screamed the animal-lover. "It's heartless, cruel, and brutal!"

"Alright then," answered the cabin boy. "These issues are not petty and trivial. Kicking the dog is cruel and brutal and it is humiliating to be called a fruit. But in comparison to our real problem - in comparison to the fact that the ship is still heading north - your grievances are petty and trivial, because if we don't get this ship turned around soon, we're all going to drown.

"Fascist!" said the professor.

"Counterrevolutionary!" said the lady passenger. And all of the passengers and crew chimed in one after another, calling the cabin boy a fascist and a counterrevolutionary. They pushed him away and went back to grumbling about wages, and about blankets for women, and about the right to suck cocks, and about how the dog was treated. The ship kept sailing north, and after a while it was crushed between two icebergs and everyone drowned.

http://www.chicagoabc.org/ship_of_fools.htm

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:25 | Link to Comment hardcleareye
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I don't agree with your outlook and try to just "ignore" your post... (haven't read it and don't intend to) it is considered bad form to "cut and paste" blogs this long, why can't you just provide a link?  Perhaps your paranoid delusions prevent you from using polite blog etiquette?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 11:08 | Link to Comment chopper read
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lighten up, asshole.  i'm trying to help.

ANYWAY, asset-backed money should immediately be circulated to compete with debt-based money. As you now may know, there is an executive order relating to silver certificates already put in place by none other than JFK himself. we have 8,000 tons of gold in Fort Knox to back similar gold certificates. we should immediately stop the Private Federal Reserve from collecting an interest rate on our money supply. finally, there should be 100% reserve requirements to bring back stability. Only then will cutting the size of government matter. right now, it is pointless because we are PAYING AN INTEREST RATE ON OUR MONEY SUPPLY TO A PRIVATE CARTEL. Further, this cartel front-runs our Treasury Bond market that must exist in order for the private Federal Reserve Notes to reach our hands.

it is nothing short of an ongoing plot to enslave us, as you may or may not see, and we are witnessing the outcomes of this charade.

http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/plot-enslave-you-0

Who is the true enemy to a bottom-up Republic?

Listen to this WEST POINT GRADUATE AND FORMER U.S. ARMY OFFICER FURTHER EXPLAIN THE INTERNATIONAL BANKING CARTEL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgCDsjfGd_Y

http://freedomainradio.com/

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 17:23 | Link to Comment Goldilocks
Fri, 12/03/2010 - 20:05 | Link to Comment chopper read
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;)

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:18 | Link to Comment The Rock
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Good story. Thanks.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:21 | Link to Comment chopper read
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who would have thought, eh? 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:44 | Link to Comment Bob
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Why must you be so fucking divisive, man?  Learn up: Every single guy who you might wanna flame today you will be grateful for on another equally important topic tomorrow. 

I wish you would start getting it.  You give liberals a bad name and we don't appreciate it.  At all. 

Please stop being such a public dumb fuck.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:41 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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Illiterate and unprepared.

It's spelled "repugnant" . Useful idiots just might be an exception to the list of those who will be held accountable for this treason. Start practicing your fawning and groveling routine.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 06:43 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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i'd give him poetic license (especially considering your, much better, punning name).  

where he and his ilk are vulnerable is on israel which they keep insisting is such a red herring in all of this while reality increasingly gives that assertion the lie(berman).  i could go on to prove this reality (which others like the roller bearing have documented so much better) but no one has to anymore.  just watch events with even a half-open mind. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 08:05 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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 just watch events with even a half-open mind. 

DO I have to? I'm trying to close it all out! :>)

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:42 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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IGNORE THE TROLL.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:49 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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Arrogant, ignorant,and polarized

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:53 | Link to Comment TheGreatPonzi
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Actually, Red Neck Repugnicant is just a big troll who just enjoys watching the reactions to his bullshit.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:38 | Link to Comment Red Neck Repugnicant
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No.  That's not it.

The level of lunacy among the audience at this website is totally out of control.  There must be a thousand comments a day about canned foods, hoarding ammo and gold, and pending urban warfare.  

I try to single out these fucking idiots because I find it thoroughly entertaining.  It's like an interactive reading of Eccentrics: A study in Sanity and Strangeness.

http://www.amazon.com/Eccentrics-Study-Sanity-Strangeness-Kodansha/dp/15...

Anyone else who exemplifies good-old-fashioned douche baggery is also fair game.

Those that are truly intelligent and post interesting thoughts, I leave alone and appreciate their contributions. Many posters here are simply brilliant, and it's evident in their writing. 

But those that want to talk about cans of green beans or how Palin and Beck are true American patriots are going to be thoroughly barbecued and skewered until Sir Durden informs me otherwise.  

I hold no remorse for mocking idiots. Some people simply need to be told they're a moron. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:56 | Link to Comment chopper read
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ha, ha.  you call that a "skewering"?  ha, ha.  

Many posters here are simply brilliant, and it's evident in their writing.

politicking kiss-ass.  

"Many posters here are simply brilliant".  ha, ha.  listen to yourself.  hilarious. 


Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:04 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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Sing this song to him. It will put him to sleep.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlyxzZLDIaw

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:36 | Link to Comment chopper read
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+1.  ha, ha. perfect! 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:48 | Link to Comment Dapper Dan
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Simple/brilliant=oxymoron

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 04:12 | Link to Comment laughing_swordfish
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RNP:

The problem is both ignorance and stupidity. Those of us who can make intelligent comments and understand what "reasoned discourse" is sometimes confuse the two.

"Ignorance" ( as demonstrated by some of the posters) can usually be cured with reason and education. I've seen many posters raise their level of both knowledge and erudition on this site by sincerely working to overcome their ignorance.

Stupidity, however, has no cure - it's forever.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 06:27 | Link to Comment Dan_Sylveste
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WELL SAID

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:29 | Link to Comment hardcleareye
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I second that!!

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 11:10 | Link to Comment chopper read
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ANYWAY, asset-backed money should immediately be circulated to compete with debt-based money. As you now may know, there is an executive order relating to silver certificates already put in place by none other than JFK himself. we have 8,000 tons of gold in Fort Knox to back similar gold certificates. we should immediately stop the Private Federal Reserve from collecting an interest rate on our money supply. finally, there should be 100% reserve requirements to bring back stability. Only then will cutting the size of government matter. right now, it is pointless because we are PAYING AN INTEREST RATE ON OUR MONEY SUPPLY TO A PRIVATE CARTEL. Further, this cartel front-runs our Treasury Bond market that must exist in order for the private Federal Reserve Notes to reach our hands.

it is nothing short of an ongoing plot to enslave us, as you may or may not see, and we are witnessing the outcomes of this charade.

http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/plot-enslave-you-0

Who is the true enemy to a bottom-up Republic?

Listen to this WEST POINT GRADUATE AND FORMER U.S. ARMY OFFICER FURTHER EXPLAIN THE INTERNATIONAL BANKING CARTEL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgCDsjfGd_Y

http://freedomainradio.com/

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:31 | Link to Comment IQ 145
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The freeze dried foods put you on a level playing field with the 30mm chain guns in the A-10's that the loyal government will deploy against you; you should know this by now.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:59 | Link to Comment chopper read
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do you think an army of country folk are going to turn on their own?  you highly underestimate our patriotic military.  they'll be leading the charge.  i'll just be back-up.  

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:46 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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Kent State? Fema camps?

I hope that your faith is well rewarded with the outcome you hope for.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 11:49 | Link to Comment chopper read
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fair points.  i'm clinging to wishful thoughts, perhaps.  what else can be done?

 

none-the-less, if folks continue to become impoverished by an International Banking Cartel, a military coup becomes more and more likely, in my opinion.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 08:34 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Check out this video:

http://larouchepac.com/node/11319

Then re-check your premises.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:17 | Link to Comment magis00
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Thanks for that -- good link.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 11:20 | Link to Comment chopper read
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GREAT POST.

in my opinion, asset-backed money should immediately be circulated to compete with debt-based money. As you now may know, there is an executive order relating to silver certificates already put in place by none other than JFK himself. we have 8,000 tons of gold in Fort Knox to back similar gold certificates. we should immediately stop the Private Federal Reserve from collecting an interest rate on our money supply. finally, there should be 100% reserve requirements to bring back stability. Only then will cutting the size of government matter. right now, it is pointless because we are PAYING AN INTEREST RATE ON OUR MONEY SUPPLY TO A PRIVATE CARTEL. Further, this cartel front-runs our Treasury Bond market that must exist in order for the private Federal Reserve Notes to reach our hands.

it is nothing short of an ongoing plot to enslave us, as you may or may not see, and we are witnessing the outcomes of this charade.

http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/plot-enslave-you-0

Who is the true enemy to a bottom-up Republic?

Listen to this WEST POINT GRADUATE AND FORMER U.S. ARMY OFFICER FURTHER EXPLAIN THE INTERNATIONAL BANKING CARTEL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgCDsjfGd_Y

http://freedomainradio.com/

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:04 | Link to Comment OldTrooper
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Don't worry Chopper...push comes to shove I'll eat Red Neck's share.  It would be a shame to let it go to waste.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 11:51 | Link to Comment chopper read
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;)

...i'm not so sure he isn't an intern at the C.I.A.  ha, ha. 

either way, his criticism brings attention to my cause.  any publicity is good!

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:47 | Link to Comment snowball777
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Nice...

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:31 | Link to Comment Too Late To Cancel
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a few chickens, a goat, cases of cheap vodka for barter...

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:10 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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"Wasn't it Lieberman, along with Gore, way back in the early 1990's who said to the video game industry: "censor yourself or you will be censored"?"

So that's what happened to Dungeon Keeper III!!

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:53 | Link to Comment snowball777
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LOL

I thought BullFrog was a Brit company though (not that it changes your thesis much).

The big push for this nonsense has been at the state level and has been pushed back in every one except CA which has their case before the Supremes. Leland Yee (child psychologist, state senator, and utter moron) was the impetus for the CA bill.

One of many problems I have with the Democratic party is their 'big tent' approach including these loons and their fascist desire to "protect everyone from themselves" regardless of the unconstitutionality of their aims.

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 16:06 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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Heh, so the Republicans are all about 'Big Brother', while the Democrats prefer the 'Big Daddy' approach, interesting. Though doesn't the reality all just boil down to "You say tomae-toe, I say tomah-toe" when it comes to the Demoblicans?

In any case, the result will be the same likely be the same for all that are able:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3BmgYyFOog

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 20:09 | Link to Comment chopper read
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exactly, the military industrial complex must be fed, and since there are not quite enough brown people to kill in the world, we get a police state outfitted with all the latest tools of oppression.  

 

its BANK-licans vs. BANK-ocrats in the USSA. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:26 | Link to Comment RKDS
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Joe Lieberman and Herbert Kohl co-chaired the inquisition.  Ah, the halcyon days of the 1990s, when America's greatest threats were Mortal Kombat and bad FMV games.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:31 | Link to Comment A Broken Bear
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Oh how sad it is to see the USA enter into the final stages of becoming a fascist state.

I remember the line "The terrorists hate us for our freedom" - well no problem cause soon there wont be too many freedoms left to enjoy.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:42 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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Terrorists have always hated us for our fascism.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 04:45 | Link to Comment midtowng
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+1000

LOL

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 06:54 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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and that of our client states.  although with israel it is increasingly hard to say who is the client and who's doing the billing.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:33 | Link to Comment Xibalba
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Lieberman is taking notes from the drug cartels in Mexico? Best way to silence criticisms is to off the reporters...

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:39 | Link to Comment GNH
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And the best way to silence Lieberman is to...

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:26 | Link to Comment LFMayor
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Sew his face to a soccer ball and roll it down the aisle?  Ever since I read about that happening down south I've become a huge fan.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:54 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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Of footy or post-mortem face transplants?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:43 | Link to Comment OldTrooper
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...crush him at the polls.

Are you stupid or looking for someone to entrap?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:32 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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"You can't say 'bomb!' on an airplane!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ25xMRHtj4&feature=related

Oh wait, we're not on an airplane,

Bomb-ba-ba-bomb-ba-bombabomb-bomb bomb-ba-ba-bomb-ba-bombabomb-bomb bomb-ba-ba-bomb-ba-bombabomb-bomb, Bombardier was down 7c today. Bomb-ba-ba-bomb-ba-bombabomb-bomb bomb-ba-ba-bomb-ba-bombabomb-bomb bomb-ba-ba-bomb-ba-bombabomb-bomb!

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 07:08 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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or as another increasingly malign politician importuned "bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb iran".  he would have to leave it to others as his planes always seemed to crash.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:12 | Link to Comment bankonzhongguo
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This is not a Lieberman issue per se.  Who is his chief of staff that makes these things happen and who is chief legal counsel at Amazon who decided all of this on a phone call.  Amazon, like any other creature Corporation, can do stupid things.  I won't be doing any business through Amazon in the future though.

Journalism used to be about investigative reporting - asking questions - not cut and past from Wikipedia (with misspellings).

Find me a "news" article in MSM that pin points the actual button pushers here and the power of "Liebermans" vaporizes.  Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:49 | Link to Comment blindfaith
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no names please!  Americans can't take names, just give us the headlines.  No, cancel that request, no headlines...just give us ...well just give us...an Ipad to play with and we will all text each other under the freeway as soon as that 'earmarks bill' get passed to put in charge stations and coke machines.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:10 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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 Lieberman more likely has a direct hotline to the Israeli mafia which obviates any need for note-taking from the Mexican Cartel.

http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2010/12/02/wikileaks-exposes-israeli-mafias-growing-influence/

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:34 | Link to Comment Spalding_Smailes
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The true measure of a career is to be able to be content, even proud, that you succeeded through your own endeavors without leaving a trail of casualties in your wake.

- Alan Greenspan


I have found no greater satisfaction than achieving success through honest dealing and strict adherence to the view that, for you to gain, those you deal with should gain as well.

- Alan Greenspan

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:45 | Link to Comment TheGreatPonzi
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I experienced no stronger pleasure in my life than wiping my ass with the US dollar and the US Constitution. All these dumb fucks who have granted me their confidence, their savings. In those days of market manipulation, eruditely accomplished through the old friends of the Federal Reserve Bank, I look into my mirror and feel even prouder. 

- Ben Bernanke

There is something strong in being a con artist of this scale. The power you have on the lives of a whole Nation, the massacre, the impunity. You know nothing's going to happen to you. And you enjoy this.

- Ben Bernanke

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:54 | Link to Comment Spalding_Smailes
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I think that there are changes that have occurred in technology that make is that more people can have the same level of information that I have. My advantage is that I'm very good at interpreting the information.

- Jim Cramer

When I come to work each day, whether as a commentator for TheStreet.com or a host of Mad Money With Jim Cramer, I have only one thought in mind: helping people with their money.

-Jim Cramer

When you combine ignorance and leverage, you get some pretty interesting results.

-Warren Buffett

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:00 | Link to Comment TheGreatPonzi
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There is nothing wrong in financing economic growth through debt, even if this debt cannot be repaid. You just have to create new debt that will repay the previous debt. In a century, economists will ask themselves why Nations did not use this system sooner. 

- Alan Greenspan

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:05 | Link to Comment Spalding_Smailes
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I think that the public is in and the public is in big, and the public is not, I don't think going to pull out because the public knows what I said about 1987.

-Jim Cramer

If the current birth rate, which is the lowest in the major developed countries, continues, there will be no Japanese. Who will pay the enormous debt?

-Jim Rogers

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:51 | Link to Comment chindit13
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The rest of Jim Rogers quote...

And a white sperm whale, with the word "Research" tattooed on its side, will eat the last handful of Japanese, sashimi-style, and wash them down with a keg of Asahi Super Dry.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 07:16 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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thank you.  i get the impression you and spalding ("maybe 'tis, maybe 'tisn't.  your name spalding?") are working with actual, recorded quotations while the others are "deeper truths" (about someone).

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:16 | Link to Comment Who is John Galt
Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:34 | Link to Comment IQ 145
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 Oh thanks so much; I have to gag now.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:37 | Link to Comment Fraud-Esq
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Stick with Glen Greenwald, good company. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:38 | Link to Comment ronin12
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Lieberman is a fascist pig.

I wonder what skeletons are in his closet that he doesn't want getting out.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:54 | Link to Comment samsara
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You got it Ronin (or is it DeRonin?)

You nailed it.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:38 | Link to Comment Bob
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A cached version of the chart in question is being reproduced below . . .

Thanks, Tyler.  Solidarity important these days. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:36 | Link to Comment i-dog
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Seconded! ZH is pretty much the last bastion of free speech on the internet. Even so-called 'freedom' blogs censor comment and ban commentators.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:53 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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Here here

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 20:13 | Link to Comment chopper read
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the last bastion for freedom/free speech against the oligarchial fascists. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:39 | Link to Comment SustainablePower
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senator lieberman - have you no shred of decency? 

 

What is responsible for the international witch hunt that reflects less of the American spirit and more of the spirit of Mr. McCarthy?

 

Have you not destroyed this boy enough?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:24 | Link to Comment Al Gorerhythm
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In answer to your question, you are talking to a true believer; ie of his self-aggrandizing role in his new position as overlord of the propaganda machine. Senator Joe McCarthy wrote the book, Lieberman is an honors student of his and wouldn't lower himself to answer a question from one of the great unwashed. Americans will be confronted by this machine whenever they cross an unknown line acceptable to the SS and Gestapo running the show in DC. 

Every worker in a bureaucratic position with government should be made aware of who they are working for. No apologies should be offered to them and no excuses accepted for "I was just following orders".

Rise up! There is no time for delay. 

The Fascists Are Here! The Fascists Are Here!

No more Joe McCarthys! 

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:51 | Link to Comment weinerdog43
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Lieberman is truly HATED by Liberals for his fascist tendencies.  He is not even an American citizen.  I'm baffled why we put up with this asshole.  When a prick like him supports AIPAC before the USA, it's amazing he gets a single vote.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:38 | Link to Comment IQ 145
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 Consider the media as a giant keyboard, upon which the government plays. The people are entranced. It is good. (Sehr Gut). Joseph Gobbels, 1941. It is later than you think; much, much later.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:39 | Link to Comment IQ 145
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 Consider the media as a giant keyboard, upon which the government plays. The people are entranced. It is good. (Sehr Gut). Joseph Gobbels, 1941. It is later than you think; much, much later.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 07:28 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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he's an acino.  acts like a likudnik.  wants to strip citizenship rights from u.s. americans based on affiliations with groups the state dept. defines as "terrorists".  why?  oh, just guessing, because his first loyalty is to israel (really greater israel as begin and netanyahu, etc. define it).  can't give up the spoils of war.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 13:16 | Link to Comment Bob
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The fascists are here, indeed.  And Lieberman now seems to wield the power of Homeland Security. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 20:16 | Link to Comment chopper read
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+1776

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:43 | Link to Comment ronin12
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Double post

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:46 | Link to Comment Dixie Normous
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Joe Lieberman: Fucking Chabadnik!

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:46 | Link to Comment desgust
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How many passports does Lieberman have?

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:49 | Link to Comment putbuyer
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Here in Connecticut, there are so many drones - they walk like zombies. If you speak out about Barry or entitlements, you risk your life. I got to get the fuck out of this state.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:06 | Link to Comment Dixie Normous
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I'm with you, problem is you have to find some sucker to take your annual property tax bill via your house without looking at the $33 billion in underfunded pension, health and retirement benefits owed to the public unions.

Hey everyone come to Connecticut, it's great!

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:23 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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the last remaining liberty that Americans actually had left (in addition to collecting jobless benefits in perpetuity of course... and buying NFLX at 1,000x fwd PE):

Netflix is cake.  Mind cake.  If you can afford it you have it, and when it is only a few dollars, and people are not paying their mortgages (wrongly or rightly), people are getting fat. 

Taleb today:

Collectively, the problem is that those people who followed that protocol [subject austerity] are a mixed bag of reactionaries and people without credibility, so you need the intelligentsia to catch on to the problem, because America unfortunately is a top non counrty, the people need to be replaced by new people...

Evolution works by destroying not convincing.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:44 | Link to Comment IQ 145
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 "America is a top non-country, the people need to be replaced by new people---" exactly. If you can get out. get out. if you can get 100% into silver bullion; do so. Because the Empire, and the Military Industrial Complex own you. I am sorry, but this is the way it is.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:52 | Link to Comment Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Because [otherwise] the Empire, and the Military Industrial Complex own you.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:50 | Link to Comment IQ 145
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  Yes, thank you for the correction.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:52 | Link to Comment Johnny Dangereaux
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Chertoff/Leeberman?  What's the diff?   Not for the faint of heart, but if you HATE Leeberman as much as I do, then you will love Brother Nathanael expounding on old Joey the Traitor

http://tinyurl.com/273a5ss

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 08:20 | Link to Comment BigJim
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The hat... the mad, staring eyes... what chance has this guy of being taken seriously, regardless of the quantity of truth he speaks?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:52 | Link to Comment Croesus
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Geeh, another powerhungry little tyrant, who makes up the rules as he goes along; sounds like the same kind of crap these bankers do.Wonder if they have anything common?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:48 | Link to Comment IQ 145
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 It's too late to be cute; this is Joseph Goebbels telling you that you will believe what the state tells you to believe. You want to try to make a fuss? do you really? have you thought about this? It/s very, very late.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 20:23 | Link to Comment chopper read
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just wait till they come and attempt to break up our conversation.  these monkeys have NO IDEA what they are inviting.  Talib is correct, evolution does work through destruction.  right now, these tired old tyrants are nearing their extinction.  

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:55 | Link to Comment Jasper M
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Here's an open challenge: Some One give us some good news on this topic.

Let us know if there is One US company out there that has refused to bow to a Lieberman strongarm. Surely these two companies, one huge, the other tiny, cannot be the only ones he hit. Did they all fold? If one didn't tell me, so I can spend money there. 

You know, I am not an anti-semite, but Man, certain people really seem to be trying to push me in that direction.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:45 | Link to Comment trav7777
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you can either trust your conditioning or your lyin eyes

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