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Joe Lieberman's Campaign To Trample The First Amendment Is Proceeding Right On Schedule

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As if it wasn't enough that America's ruling oligarchs were sufficiently happy with abdicating their governing duties to the Federal Reserve, they have now decided to imitate China in every possible way, and in addition to making up economic data as they go (for actual numbers just look around you, for all the other imaginary bullshit there's the BLS), they have now proceeded to wipe their ass with the first amendment, on their way to converting the US to a complete banana republic. After Joe Lieberman made a mockery of Internet freedom of speech (and of Amazon's independence) he has now decided to step up his campaign against un-coopted journalists everywhere, precisely as we suspected would happen next in the USSA. Per MSNBC, the Independent Connecticut senator has told Tableau, a Seattle company that allows Web users to post charts, to remove
several charts describing the release of WikiLeaks material. The company
removed the charts on Thursday, following the lead of Amazon, which had
taken down the WikiLeaks documents themselves. The punchline: none of the charts contained any classified data: "The charts were not produced by WikiLeaks, but by a freelance journalist. And they contained no classified or secret material. The charts merely depicted how many times each country, or topic, was discussed in the cables." In other words, as Bill Dedman concludes: "these charts were journalism."

A cached version of the chart in question is being reproduced below:

Tableau's statement in response to Lieberman's bullying was as follows:

Wednesday afternoon, Tableau Software removed data visualizations published by WikiLeaks to Tableau Public. We understand this is a sensitive issue and want to assure the public and our users that this was not an easy decision, nor one that we took lightly. . . .

Our decision to remove the data from our servers came in response to a public request by Senator Joe Lieberman, who chairs the Senate Homeland Security Committee, when he called for organizations hosting WikiLeaks to terminate their relationship with the website.

Below is the take of Salon's Glenn Greenwald on this incurision into the last remaining liberty that Americans actually had left (in addition to collecting jobless benefits in perpetuity of course... and buying NFLX at 1,000x fwd PE):

Those are the benign, purely legal documents that have now been removed from the Internet in response to Joe Lieberman's demands and implied threats.  He's on some kind of warped mission where he's literally running around single-handedly dictating what political content can and cannot be on the Internet, issuing broad-based threats to "all companies" that -- by design -- are causing suppression of political information.  I understand Tableau's behavior here; imagine if you were a small company and Joe Lieberman basically announced:   I am Homeland Security and you are to cease being involved with this organization which many say is a Terrorist group and Enemy Combatant.  What Lieberman is doing is a severe abuse of power, and even for our anemic, power-revering media, it ought to be a major scandal (though it's not because, as Digby says, all our media stars can process is that "Julian Assange is icky"). 

If people -- especially journalists -- can't be riled when Joe Lieberman is unilaterally causing the suppression of political content from the Internet, when will they be? After all, as Jeffrey Goldberg pointed out in condemning this, the same rationale Lieberman is using to demand that Amazon and all other companies cease any contact with WikiLeaks would justify similar attacks on The New York Times, since they've published the same exact diplomatic cables on its site as WikiLeaks has on its (added:  the only diplomatic cables posted on the WikiLeaks site thus far are the ones published by the newspapers with which WikiLeaks partnered -- such as the NYT, Guardian, Der Spiegel, etc. -- and they include those newspapers' redactions; no other cables have yet been posted to the WikiLeaks site).  What Joe Lieberman is doing is indescribably pernicious and if "journalists" cared in the slightest about their own self-interest -- never mind all the noble things they pretend to care about -- they ought to be vociferously objecting to this.

As this pretty much covers it all, there is little to add.

Our advice: after Lieberman is done censoring the Internet, he and his fellow deranged banker puppets will start going down the list of constitutional amendments... which is why if you have been putting of on procuring that gun permit, and putting that bar or two of gold in a safe far, far away from America, this may be a good time to do so.

 

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Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:20 | 774455 GoinFawr
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I think you may have just summed up in one line every comment and piece CogD has posted on ZH...

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:54 | 774296 Cone of Uncertainty
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Lieberman, a fascist cunt.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:57 | 774304 Jasper M
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As a fan of that particular bit of anatomy, I would ask you to rfrain from that comparison. It's insulting to one of my favorite places to visit. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:14 | 774334 Cone of Uncertainty
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Duly noted.

Now, fuck off.

: )

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:38 | 774485 GoinFawr
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Is it acceptable to his majesty if I use "what a cunning stunning stunt"? Or " C-U Next Tuesday"?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 07:39 | 774684 jeff montanye
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cunt is far to good to insult lieberman with.  also again don't call it anti-semitism when it is not.  it is anti-zionism/anti-likudism really, at base, anti-colonialism/imperialism/religious fascism.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:55 | 774299 molecool
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Well, thanks Rhode Island - you're all a bunch of asshats for letting that turd of a man back into the game.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:58 | 774307 Jasper M
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Um,  I think it's Connecticut. The folks from Rhone Island are represented by a different turd.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:56 | 774302 Misean
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Ah, Joe Loserman, the Senator from Israel....what a shocker. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:58 | 774308 UGrev
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google cache, bitches!

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:38 | 774382 Rusty Shorts
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google saturn V, bitches!

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 00:58 | 774309 goldmiddelfinger
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Let's just run down a few leads and see if Joe uses condom, shall we?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:03 | 774312 Caviar Emptor
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There are those we can call compassionate terrorists. They are proliferating. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:04 | 774313 revenue_anticip...
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Homeland Security?  Oh you really mean Israeli security...

Israel is such a small country, with all those people voluntarily gathering togeather, concentrating themselves into a World Ghetto,  shall we call it a 'concentration camp' it is so strange that anyone would voluntarily live their....so risky...

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:41 | 774385 i-dog
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;)

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:52 | 774509 IQ 145
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 Shall we call it a very, very dangerous camp. with more than fifty Mk54 nuclear weapons ?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:06 | 774318 Atomizer
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Lieberman must be worried about something. I wonder what it is? Being a public servant must have high demands nowadays.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:17 | 774321 Eureka Springs
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Many Democrats worked hard to kick this fellow out of the D party and US Senate in '06. We won the party part, but the Senate Dems just wont let him go. It's beyond appalling.

I was never a fan of Al Gore but he should forever be ridiculed for his VP Lieber pick as much a McCain selecting Palin.

 

Finally kudos to TD for linking to Glenn Greenwald. You are both on my shrinking list of daily must read sites. Many ZHers would be better citizens if they read GG as much as possible.. whether agreeing with him fully or not.

 

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:15 | 774326 Kina
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Another of those great failures that help destory America is that of the Mainstream Media.

They were complicit in allowing the Bush amdinistration make war free from questioning and the laws passed in the name of protecting America from terrorists. The media failed grossly to make the Bush admin prove its and question its credulity. They allowed a great number of crimes to go unchallenged and freedoms to be thwarted.

 

The MSM were in bed with Bush and are complicit in the destruction of America for Americans.

Here again in a great crisis the MSM is an abject failure. Unwilling to hold the Fed and the Banks and the Lawmakers to account or to protect the public and constitution. Instead they roll over on their backs to be sucked by their masters in exchange for letting further crimes to occur.

 

The entire US edifice is either corrupt or poisoned. The history books will describe all the elements for the destruction of Old America that bought about the Facist American State.

Corruption of the office of the office of President and his administration

Corruption and purchase of many members of Congress

Corruption, capture and paying off of regulatory bodies

Corruption of parts of the judiciary

Corruption of the mainstream media

The Mafia-cation of Corporate America

Inevitably leading to the supression of protest, objection and accountability; the corruption of the economy, secrecy, police state elements, threat against average Americans.

Terrorist do not need to attack America. America's own politicians are doing to it what terrorists want.

 

Terrorists wil be joyful at Liberman's actions. Supress press freedom is one of the main acts of a corrupt political system and the evidence of eleitism of the political class. It is a wonder Lieberman cant see his actions are similar to those of an early repressive Germany that persecuted his own kind. I guess it is OK if the subject is another people.

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:36 | 774373 azusgm
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So pull your money out of the TBTF banks and cancel you credit cards too. Don't wait until Dec 7th. Take them by surprise. Buy gold and silver. Lots and lots of silver. Do it now. Don't bother doing the math in an attempt to determine if the TBTFs could be pushed over. The appearance of an awakening public will shake the banks and scare the bejeezus out of corrupt politicians. Grab a pitchfork and yank your money and credit.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:47 | 774398 trav7777
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refresh my memory...who controls the media by and large?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:27 | 774549 merehuman
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Jewish faces , Aint america great? giving jews the opportunity to ruin the greatest country in the world.

I dont have a hate on yet, getting there while trying to figure a jew from a zionist. Is it wrong to hate your masters?Even when you see they are destroying you? i am still trying to come to terms with this issue.

i dont hate burglars either, but will shoot them if needed.

I dont want innocent jewish people to suffer because of the crooks among them but can see how that may happen as i watch america storm the doors of Target as a pack of wolves.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 04:39 | 774606 laughing_swordfish
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It all changed during the Clinton era, when the "Mainstream Media" bevcame the "Lamestream Media" . To survive the "new competition" of the internet, legacy media had to find a "sugar daddy".

They found it in Corporate America, which had long been lusting to take control of the national propaganda machine.

So while the MSM is sucking Corporate America's cock, it interrupts its fellatio only momentarily to cheer noisily from the sidelines as Senator Joe Lieberman (I- Israel) does his best Joe McCarthy impression.

At first, I was somewhat dismayed by the growing anti-semitism on this site. But, after choosing to trust my own eyes over the cheerleading swill generated by the LSM, I have to say this:

Who so would be an American, who so would be a patriot, must begin by becoming an Anti-Semite.

The Jew is everywhere an outsider, everywhere "offshore", always a crafty parasite one step ahead of the people.

As Julius Streicher, editor of Die Stuermer, said: "One co-operates with International Jewry as one "co-operates" with bubonic plague."

No go ahead and junk away.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 05:49 | 774637 TheGreatPonzi
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Fri, 12/03/2010 - 08:29 | 774706 BigJim
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Mr Fish, hating Jews in general is not the answer. Some of them have made incredible contributions to human welfare, in maths, medicine, physics, music, etc, etc. It's from amongst the Jews themselves that we find some of the greatest objectors to what's going on - Glenn Greenwald, Noam Chomski, for instance.

It would be like hating all Americans because of Viet Nam, Iraq & Afghanistan.

It's the zio-fascists you need to worry about.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:24 | 775090 DeltaDawn
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Americans are hated by many around the world for the actions of a small percentage of Americans. Do we deserve to be hated as a group? No.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:16 | 774337 Cardinal Fang
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Maybe he didn't like that the embassy in Ashkabat was mentioned 2500 times?

Wait a minute, there's a knock at the door, i'll be right back...

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:20 | 774345 Glasgow Gary
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Hell yes, let's post this chart 24/7/365 all over these internets. I wonder: is it going to be illegal to make up charts from other released data too. How about that FED data?

G

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:23 | 774348 UGrev
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Charting software will be banned!!

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:26 | 774347 Atomizer
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As a PSA & general post. There is no two party system in the US. Its all an illustion to keep you divided.

Barry Soetoro is a tool and so were the previous presidents aiding to expand the Banking Empire.

Erin Burnett: "What's 43,000 Pages and 16 Feet Tall?"

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:28 | 774356 blindman
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http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=173690 Wikileaks To Sen. Lieberman: Eat S*#t And Die

 

Yeah, this worked out well for the US....

The plug was pulled as the influential senator and chairman of the homeland security committee, Joe Lieberman, called for a boycott of the site by US companies.

"[Amazon's] decision to cut off WikiLeaks now is the right decision and should set the standard for other companies WikiLeaks is using to distribute its illegally seized material," he said.

"I call on any other company or organisation that is hosting WikiLeaks to immediately terminate its relationship with them."

Big balls you have there Mr. Lieberman.  What you gonna back it up with?  A few missiles?  Somehow I doubt it, considering that you'd have to start launching them into nations that aren't exactly hostile to us - but sure do seem to be hostile toward attempts to censor these guys.

Oh wait.... you mean your bluster was all hot air?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:41 | 774375 TruthInSunshine
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Fuck Lieberman.

He is a seditionous motherfucker and should be indicted.

I have no problem with anyone who is sentimental for or wants to support a nation that their ancestors hail from, but anyone who places the interests of that nation, whether Israel, Italy, Egypt, Russia, Mexico, or any other FOREIGN nation above the interests of the United States, and that even goes so far as to do things contrary to the interests of the United States, is a motherfucking traitor and should be in federal prison.

Where are the FBI/CIA/NSA tapes on Lieberman?

Is Lieberman another Richard Perle, a dual citizen of Israel and the United States, who spied on the United States, only to have the FBI files quashed because of friends in high places (George H.W. Bush)?

Not only was Perle's investigation and likely indictment quashed, but Perle went on to serve on the Pentagon Advisory Board, and was a massive proponent of Operation Desert Storm.

How is this shit even possible?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:49 | 774402 trav7777
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tribe first, nationality is irrelevant

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:02 | 774414 TheGreatPonzi
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Dominique Strauss-Kahn, head of the IMF: "Everyday I wake up, I ask myself what as a Jew, I will do for Israel today".

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:04 | 774464 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Israel is geographically important.  Like Istanbul, many drugs and other items transport through there.  The Dinosaur Kings will do anything for this strategic area of land; this is what he means.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 11:59 | 775477 quintago
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Finland is geographically important, just not for us. Give it a break.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:59 | 774418 TruthInSunshine
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I meant to say 'Operation Iraqi Freedom,' and NOT 'Operation Desert Storm,' above.

Why is the edit feature half-lived by 5 seconds all of a sudden?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:27 | 774467 CD
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Once someone replies to your post, it is no longer editable.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:35 | 774483 TruthInSunshine
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Ahh, thanks.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:41 | 774380 blindman
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something else they don't allow in connecticut.  accounting.  thanks

joe.  how many homelands are you allowed anyway?  pick one or

fuck off!

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:42 | 774387 Atomizer
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The Century of Self Happiness Machines part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUYFr-uDQgg

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:59 | 774420 Bearster
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It's really sickening to see that some people react to the evil of an individual man, Senator Lieberman, with tribalism: Jew Hatred.

If he was a Presbyterian would you express your contempt for him by slandering everyone who happens to be a member of the same religion??

Y'all think you are part of the solution, well I got news for you.  The "final solution" was not much of a solution, and it didn't work out well for anyone.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:07 | 774427 TruthInSunshine
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Hey, FUCK YOU, cocksucker.

Why don't you quit playing the 'woe is me, anti-semitism card', asshole.

Fuck you and fuck anyone, Jewish or non-Jewish, who uses red herrings and strawmen to distract people from the fact that there are elected representatives in the U.S. Government that took a Constitutional Oath to defend the United States of America, and do ANYTHING BUT that?

I'm so sick of the anti-semitism card being pulled out by you fucking weasels. It would be one thing if you were sincere, but that you know what you're doing makes you a co-conspirator, cocksucker.

If Lieberman wants to do what's best for Israel (whose interests are not aligned perfectly with interests of the U.S, as some propogandists would have people believe), he should fucking move there stat and run for office in the Knesset.

And yes, I junked your contemptable bullshit. It's not much, but it's all I can do now, as you know.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:17 | 774448 Al Gorerhythm
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He shouldn't just consider running for office. He should also just consider running.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:26 | 774463 TheGreatPonzi
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Fri, 12/03/2010 - 16:42 | 776458 chopper read
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The founders were universally and unanimously AGAINST political parties.

George Washington's Farewell Address warned America OF 2 things: BEWARE ENTANGLING ALLIANCES -- that is, BE ISOLATIONIST IN THE WORLD; and, BEWARE THE BANEFUL INFLUENCE OF PARTY. So our father of our country voices this warning eight years into the republic, at the end of his two terms of office, at the very moment when the parties are forming.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:14 | 774443 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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"Now it matters not what religion a man has and what god a man worships." -David Rockefeller, 1973

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 16:43 | 776462 chopper read
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PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER 1.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 14:06 | 775848 Bob
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If you simply interpret it as jew-hatred it is sickening.  And, while it is not clear to some of them, that is exactly what this topic has elicited from some. 

But I think many of these apparent racists have a larger and perhaps legitimate political perspective. 

What's sickening to me is that they cannot find a less poisonous rhetoric with which to express it.  I wish they would take themselves seriously enough to believe their own eyes and modify their rhetoric as necessary to not discredit themselves and their cause. 

Our cause. 

There is no compelling reason for this thread to be leaping into the middle fucking east.  This sick fuck is acting in our name in Washington DC and we're watching him in America. 

This other bullshit is poisonously beside the point.  Sadly, it discredits the ZH community.  Sometimes you should just keep it in your pants, regardless of how hard it's throbbing.   Even if she wants it.

That's not surrender.  That's just good judgement: Eye on the prize. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 01:59 | 774421 Xibalba
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wiki site down again....

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:01 | 774441 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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PMs ramping in line with support on dollar weakness.  Asia loves gold, and will spend greenbacks to get it.  They will take profits in equities to keep buying gold. 

Get ready for a big day tomorrow, no reason not to break resistance at $1400 and then make a clean break to $1420.  I think they will give Blythe the day off, she has worked hard for the monie all week.

The word is that the recovery is in place.  All the lies will only cast more light on gold, and it will shine.  The lies will run around like chickens with their heads cut off.  They will run to equities, and we could see 12,000.  They will find solace with gold, as even the liar can find shelter in a storm (many times especially the liar). 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:07 | 774434 redpill
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Whatever they are doing, it's working. Even close friends and family find it gross that I give a crap what happens to this guy based on the fact he has sex crime allegations against him. They know how to play the crowd.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:09 | 774526 IQ 145
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 Sadly enough, it's all they need to know. they studied under a master. "it's always easy to bring the people to heel; onlyl tell them that their country is under attack, and that the peace lovers and legal experts are helping the enemies; and they are yours.  Reichsmarshall Herman Goering. 1943.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 16:44 | 776466 chopper read
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+ 1

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:15 | 774444 Kaiser Sousa
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shit done feel apart n this cesspool of idiocy...

crazy watching a nation rot away right n front of ur eyes...

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:02 | 774522 IQ 145
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 Study the history of Germany from 1934 to 1938; the cesspool of idiocy grew and grew and grew; and the intellectuals laughed and laughed and laughed at the ignorant ideas of those in power. And then they disappeared. From your neighborhood; at night. they just weren't there anymore. and somehow, you knew; you really shouldn't ask anyone about this.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:23 | 774461 Stu
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Obama kicks door after press conference :

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTBSyE40DZw

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:36 | 774469 HL Shancken
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History always repeats itself, and if you can live two lives, you have an even greater chance of seeing that repetition with your own eyes. During the last six years of my other life, as a Romanian intelligence general, the main task of the Soviet bloc espionage community was to transform Yasser Arafat's war against Israel and its main supporter, the United States, into an armed doctrine of the whole Islamic world. America was our main enemy, and a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on it than could a mere one million.


Islamic anti-Semitism ran deep. Our task was to convert its historical hatred of the Jews into a new hatred of the United States, by portraying this land of freedom as an "imperial Zionist country" financed by Jewish money and run by a rapacious "Council of the Elders of Zion," the Kremlin's epithet for the US Congress.


According to KGB theorists, the Islamic world was a petri dish in which we could nurture a virulent strain of America-hate. Islamic cultures had a taste for nationalism, jingoism and victimology. Their illiterate, oppressed mobs could be whipped up to a fever pitch. Terrorism and violence against America would flow naturally from their religious fervor. We had only to keep repeating, over and over, that the United States was a "Zionist" country, bankrolled by rich Jews. Islam was obsessed with preventing the infidel's occupation of its territory, and it would be highly receptive to our dogma that American imperialism wanted to transform the rest of the world into a Jewish fiefdom.

Before I left Romania for good, in 1978, the Soviet bloc intelligence community flooded the Islamic world with Arabic translations of an old Russian, forged, anti-Semitic tract entitled Protocols of the Elders of Zion, along with "documentary" materials, also in Arabic, "proving" that the United States was a Zionist country governed by Jewish money, whose aim was to extend its domination over the rest of the world. We also infiltrated the Islamic world with thousands of Soviet bloc Islamic citizens recruited as intelligence agents and tasked to implant there a rabid, demented hatred for American Zionism. They were to portray everybody and everything in America as being subordinated to Jewish interests: the leaders, the government, the political parties, the most prominent personalities,and even American history. Most of these agents were religious servants, engineers, medical doctors or teachers, and they had excellent credibility.

Although we now live in an age of technology, we still do not have an instrument that can scientifically measure the results of a sustained influence operation. Nevertheless, it is safe to presume that over the course of the further twenty-plus years, until the Soviet Union buckled, the combination between spreading hundreds of thousands of Protocols within the Islamic world and portraying the United States there as a criminal Zionist instrument should have left some trace. The hijacked airplane was launched into the world of contemporary terrorism by the KGB and its puppet Yasser Arafat, and it is significant that this became the weapon of choice for September 11, 2001.


Ion Mahai Pacepa, former Romanian intelligence chief



Judging from many of the responses on this thread it's clear that the efforts of the KGB and its sister services extended much further than just the arab world.


http://thefinalphaseforum.invisionzone.com/index.php?showforum=6&prune_d...



Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:39 | 774489 CD
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I trust Romanian intelligence agents (let alone chiefs) as far as I can throw their hogtied, gagged and blindfolded but still struggling bodies. But dead-on as to global propaganda operations being waged (by many sides, in many directions), and I distinctly remember Yasser being hailed as a freedom-fighting hero, a true socialist standing up for the common man all through the Eastern Bloc throughout the 70's and 80's.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:46 | 774499 HL Shancken
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Pacepa is a defector from the communist system and has proven his reliability as well as credibility for several decades now. He is a prolific writer.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:14 | 775041 CD
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I was referring to the Secu in general. And don't forget the central premise of the points you are making -- every communication is made to influence, so any statement (even if true) could be part of an active disinfo campaign, or can be twisted after the fact to become that. How better to gain the trust of and influence over the West than by defecting? Pacepa was actually quite famous and the protagonist of many a Ceaucescu/Khrushchev joke back in the day in E. Europe. I will check out his work.

I definitely will check out Golitsyn, thanks for putting this up. (though the above applies to him as well).

@ IQ 145 (could this be the genius of the Carpathians himself, having evaded his mock execution and posting here on ZH?), I do not have anything against Romanians per se - it is the intel "services" that I have aversion to. As for Arafat -- he was a politician. That's all that really need be said.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:56 | 774505 HL Shancken
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Chapter 2 p. 23

"BOTH of us want to influence America in our favor. Our methods are different, though. You, Brother Arafat, use arms. I use words."

"Struggle, Brother Ceausescu! Armed struggle and terror are the only things America respects."

"You, Brother Yasser, were here in 1972, and you are here now. You can see for yourself that nothing has changed in Romania in that time. We are still the same Communist country, where private property is not only prohibited--it is a disgrace. But the West now loves me. Two American presidents have come to Romania since I started my ´Horizon´ operation, none before. Now, in the past six years alone, I have gotten twelve billion dollars in Western credits--two billion a year. Ten years ago, the most important technological intelligence Romania could pry out of America was about hybrid corn. Now Bucharest is one of the best in the Warsaw Pact at collecting high tech inteligence on America."

"Is that really true?"

"It is not only what I think, it´s what Brezhnev just told me."

"Amazing."

"Before I started my ´Horizon´ operation, I couldn´t export anything to America. All I did was import their high tech. Now my exports almost equal my imports, and in ten years the balance will be ten to one in my favor. Five years ago I had barely a dozen intelligence officers over in America. Now I have five times that many, the ambassador included, and in a couple of years it´ll be ten times that many. And what has America gotten out of it all? Shit. Nothing but shit."

copyright 1987

From Red Horizons by Ion Mahai Pacepa, former head of Romanian intelligence.

 

http://thefinalphaseforum.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=44

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:00 | 774510 HL Shancken
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Red Horizons, p. 25

Ceausecu took a whole tomato and bit into it like an apple, splattering juice and seeds. Then he stuffed his mouth full of onion and feta cheese, mechanically wiping his fingers off on the white damask tablecloth, all the while studying Arafat with his shifting, badger-like eyes.

"How are your influence operations going?"

"The advisors Hassan got from Brother Pacepa are true artists."

Ceausescu picked up on the idea. "Influence is indeed an art, a skill."

"At this very moment we´ve got something going in Vienna," Hassan intervened, "and the results might be a peace prize from Kreisky." Bruno Kreiski was the chancellor of Austria at the time.

Arafat burst into a peal of laughter. "A gift from a Jew to the PLO. Wouldn´t that be marvelous?"

"We have another operation using Abu Nidal," Hassan added.

"Who would ever suspect that Nidal, my fiercest enemy, the very fellow who is killing off my men, could actually be doing things for me?" Arafat boasted.

"Congratulations," said Ceausescu, "How about pretending to break with terrorism? The West would love it."

"Just pretending, like with your independence?"

"Exactly. But pretending over and over. Political influence, like dialectical materialism, is built on the same basic tenet that quantitative accumulation generates qualitative transformation."

"I´m not the expert on Marxism that you are, Brother Ceausescu."

"Dialectical materialism works like cocaine, let´s say. If you sniff it once or twice, it may not change your life. If you use it day after day, though, it will make you into an addict, a different man. That´s the qualitative transformation."

 

"A snort of a pacifist Arafat day after day...?"

 

"Exactly, Brother Yasser. The West may even become addicted to your PLO."

by Ion Mihai Pacepa, Romanian intelligence

 

http://thefinalphaseforum.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=44

 

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:00 | 774518 TruthInSunshine
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You should start a blog on your own web page rather than trying to create a fragmented, rambling one here.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:08 | 774524 HL Shancken
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If you have a better way of counteracting the effects of influence operations (known as active measures) which have brainwashed a significant proportion of the world and which effects are clearly in evidence at this website, please begin your work. Otherwise, I might say that you are perhaps hurt by truth.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:14 | 774535 TruthInSunshine
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I'm not "hurt by truth" in the least.

I'm suggesting you could post one link that allows those who want to read voluminous material to do so, rather than waste ZH's bandwith and assault people with a lengthy diatribe, by posting 180,000 word essays here in multiple post form.

We all get the point that there is propoganda all around the world, used by all governments, on all issues, including the Israeli-Arab one.

 

The world is a dark, foreboding place, with many pursuing their agendas by deceit and disinformation. Agreed.

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:16 | 774539 HL Shancken
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Doubtless you'll receive a thank-you note from Tyler in the morning for looking out for his interests. Have a nice night.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:19 | 774543 TruthInSunshine
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I don't need a thank you note, and I'm looking out for my interests, by being free from being forced to weed through your verbose posts with intellectual content not even of your own creation or reflections.

Fucking just post a link next time rather than a ABC miniseries.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 07:24 | 774678 Clapham Junction
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I didn't think LSD was popular anymore.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:13 | 774533 IQ 145
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 Your a dupe and a fool; romanians are fiercely independent strong willed people who gave their communist masters nothing by trouble; Arafat was a murderer and a professional terrorist; in the exact sense that he had a paycheck every month for causing terror.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:14 | 774536 HL Shancken
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I'm glad that we can each let our posts speak for themselves.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:44 | 775165 DeltaDawn
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I am intrigued by your post. Nothing like the confessions of aging intelligence officers!

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:27 | 774550 IQ 145
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 Yes, the KGB, to be sure. But what about the FSB? What about the re-incarnation after the implosion; which to some extent; albeit, fortuitous, was a dis-information event ? Hmm. What now. No activity.? No dis-information, you think ? What do you believe? Who taught you this? What is the subject of the long intimate conferences in Tehran between professional FSB officers and the highest officials of the state? Do your newspapers tell you what you need to know?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 04:07 | 774574 Fred C Dobbs
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Did the Soviet bloc intelligence community think of just using facts? 

Can you tell us of any more great successes this Soviet bloc intelligence community had?  Was this great lie the only one?  

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 05:37 | 774638 AnAnonymous
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Islamic cultures had a taste for nationalism, jingoism and victimology. Their illiterate, oppressed mobs could be whipped up to a fever pitch.

 

I had the chance to witness an artist in fund raisings. His recipe? Serving what is expected: flaterry. He spent 5pc of the time  on selling the project, 95pc of the time on telling what his public likes to hear. He had the gift of the gab but the performances remained impressive. You could see the eyes of people sparking as he ran down his routine.

This Romanian looks like the same mould. The guy is serving what is wanted to be heard. This is how he makes a living.

The implicit is that US citizens can go beyond what the Islamic cultures are reproached with.

 

US culture had a taste for nationalism, jingoism and victimology. Their literate, oppressing mobs could be whipped up to a fever pitch.

That is as real.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:42 | 774493 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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US, Japan Stage Joint Drill Friday...

Saber rattling, or real?

Bueller? 

 

Bueller? 

 

Bueller?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:46 | 774498 TruthInSunshine
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North Korea collapses tomorrow, The Bernank decides to monetize all North Korean bonds (owed to China) - market to rally 5% on the news tomorrow.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 02:47 | 774502 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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hahaha.  Bernanke collapses their bond yield with his unlimited Fiat deluxe printer.  Siege Bernanke Sieze!

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:02 | 774513 alpds
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I strongly recommend the following book, an essential must read:

http://www.amazon.com/Manufacturing-Consent-Political-Economy-Media/dp/0...

The documentary based on the book (hit refresh a couple of times if the docy doesn't start playing): 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5631882395226827730#

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:18 | 774542 IQ 145
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 Yes, of course; this is the business of government; manufacturing consent. "he is a sex criminal"; it's bad to publish our oficials private letters, etc, etc. Unfortunately, it is very effective.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:24 | 774548 TruthInSunshine
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Robin Thicke is next due to his 'sex therapy.'

Then, Interpol goes after and takes down Favre.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 03:32 | 774553 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Some football fans would raise a fuss over such a thing!  Would you believe that?  Americans making a fuss?!  Sounds like an oxymoron.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 04:33 | 774601 GoldmanSux
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Surprised no comment on the rumor Ron Paul not getting Banking committe chairmanship.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 04:51 | 774618 Andrew G
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wikileaks.org down again! I can't access it from SE Asia

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101203/ap_on_hi_te/wikileaks

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 05:49 | 774642 Arkadaba
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But this IP is working:

http://213.251.145.96/

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 06:37 | 774660 TheGreatPonzi
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Not anymore. No results, no results.

Seems the problems of Wikileaks are just beginning. But fortunately, they are using torrents for their releases, and even with massive international persecution, they will still be able to dump RARs and ZIPs on a DHT tracker.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 05:12 | 774627 Coldfire
Fri, 12/03/2010 - 06:29 | 774657 sabra1
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VIPER team checkpoints launched at Tampa bus stations
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You Tube
November 29, 2010

TSA, Homeland Security and local police have initiated “VIPER team” security check points at Tampa area bus stations, proudly expanding airport-style security in the name of “keeping us safe.”

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 14:25 | 775961 Bob
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Wow.  Just Wow

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 06:35 | 774659 Kina
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[Homeland Security]

Well with such an organisation in existence I expect nothing less.

 

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 06:39 | 774662 TheGreatPonzi
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Actually, I have total confidence in Homeland Security.

Look at his president: http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7905/jfgovechertoffmichael01.jpg

How can you not trust somebody like him?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 07:17 | 774674 Incubus
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All the talk.  We're gonna yap and yap and yap indefinitely.  Wake me up when we're ready to throw these politicians out on their asses and force a reboot.

Until then, talk means nothing--because they aren't listening; do you understand it, yet?  Our oligarchs have plans for us, regardless of what we--or anyone else says--they aren't interested in our take on things.  We know what has to happen.

"Disaster is a natural part of my evolution, toward tragedy and dissolution."

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 07:24 | 774677 Kina
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Wake me up when we're ready to throw these politicians out on their asses and force a reboot.

 

Replace them with who? Unless decent independent Americans with money are will to run for office...nothing can change except by total system meltdown. Which the Ben Bernank is endeavouring to create.

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 07:39 | 774685 Incubus
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I guess I should've said reformat.

 

It'lls all too screwed up.  America's in disrepair; we're falling apart "spiritually" because this is the culture we've created for ourselves. I just wonder how much tension is needed before something snaps.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 08:25 | 774704 nonclaim
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Forget the masses, many are happy with their monthly stipends from the gov. If they revolt that'll be gone, maybe the house burned and they will have to work (eeek!) until they are tired. When even planting potatoes in your garden is illegal... tough luck.

Any revolt needs a leader... the new tea party was fun for a while but a true leader is needed. One that motivates the masses to work and rebuild the country.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:10 | 775535 chopper read
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the culture was created for us a long time ago.  consider the root:  http://www.zerohedge.com/forum/plot-enslave-you

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 07:26 | 774679 sumo
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Senator Lieberman's stand is inspiring. He just inspired me to make a donation to Wikileaks.

Godspeed, Senator. May you inspire many, many others.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 07:29 | 774681 FrankIvy
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Joe Lieberman and his soon-to-be Senate crony Richard Bloomenthal are beautiful examples of why anti-semitism is on the aggresive rise in the world.

If you want to know what motivates Joe Lieberman, then all you need to understand is that Joe's main motive is to support Israel.  Understand that, and you'll understand all of his foreign policy and domestic terrorism issues.

Joe has voiced his opinion that questioning the official 911 story <i><b>should be a criminal offense</i></b>.

Of course, 911 was the best thing to happen to Israel since the Belfour Declaration, because 911 drew average Americans into the "war on terror" that Israel has been fighting since it ethnically cleansed itself and created that war.  In effect, 911 took 300 million Americans from vague "supporters" of Israel to "allies in the war on terror" in about 3 hours.

Joe wants wikileaks censored for several reasons, not the least of which is that there is likely something very damning to Israel in the leaks.  Imagine if something was in there where a higher-up like Livni in Israel is quoted as saying something like, "we need another 911 to happen in the U.S.."

Joe is a Zionist.  If he was forced to press a button and either wipe out the U.S. or Israel, you'd better hope you were on vacation in Mexico when he pressed.

 

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 07:39 | 774683 sumo
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Now I'm thinking about setting up servers, storage, and links for Wikileaks.

Keep up the good work, Senator. You are thought-provoking, to say the least.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 08:22 | 774705 ella
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Greetings from the land of the free and the home of the brave.  This is a land where everyone in the world knows what the American government does except the people of America. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 08:30 | 774707 Clapham Junction
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Hey Tyler!

  Time to move on and comment on Greenspan's comments on CNBC.

  I've never heard anything in my life make less sense than what I'm hearing at the moment.  All from the man that destroyed the economy in the first place.

 

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 08:39 | 774715 ella
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Try not to listen to him.  So much hot air is bad for your health. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 08:46 | 774718 ella
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Oh no!  Now I am listening to Greenspan.  I have been trying hard to igonre him.  He is talking about low inflation, imagine  after he rigged the CPI?  WOW, why to they let him talk.  Kepp interviewing those whose polices have failed. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 08:34 | 774711 Itsalie
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America becoming more like China? What? Google will never agree with that, Google thinks China is shitting on freedom of speech by insisting on net censorship, it wants the American Congress and the American government to stand up against Chinese interference and net censorship. That has to mean Google, the most influential icon of freedom of speech on the internet, believes the American Congress shares its values. No way America is like China, Denninger would not agree, Google would violently object, the NTY will condemn your association of this great country with the commie orientals! No way! We are a real democracy! No Way! Wait... what is Lieberman doing that's different from China shutting down its own dissidents? 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:11 | 774724 Species8472
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The red, orange green bars mean...

Red: Secret

Orange: Confidential

Green: Unclassified

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:00 | 774728 bubba1231
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First amendment?  What a joke.  This guy is dangerous and he is putting lives at risk.  He actually has classic psycopath tendencies and he is dangerous.  There should be consequences for his actions and anyone associated with Wiki should spend the rest of their murderous days in jail.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:42 | 774838 ella
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Really?  Most of what is being leaked is already in the public domain, the rest is a confirmation of what has been based on rationale speculation.     Sec. Gates, claims that the leaks are no big deal and no lives are at risk.  This is merely embarrassing to policy makers.  While the rest of the world knows more about what goes on in the USA then we do.  We pay the price for the policies of this country and many want to know what those policies really are.  Not the pabulum fed to us by our so called journalists.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:49 | 774872 Widowmaker
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Bubba you just pissed on your own leg.

Tell me how many deaths are attributed to these charts before you shit yourself, too.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:28 | 775107 ella
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Maybe the charts blew Bubba's mind, causing a form of death.  Just wondering?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:02 | 774753 Widowmaker
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Department of Homeland Insecurity will force the republic into anarchy.

Law abiding citizens won't tolerate a nation of hell so that Nazi's Lieberman and Chertoff can load up on security stocks like crotch scans at drinking fountains!

Congress is inciting violence, its a matter of time.

How many jews helped author the constitution?  Any?   That should tell you why he is pissing all over it.  That is the thing with jews, you treat them well and they fuck you over, or they look the other way while other jews fuck you over.  I've seen personally how friendship and even marriage don't change this.

Lieberman's secret santa [ha!] should consider concrete slippers and a guided Constitutional-float trip on lake Michigan, but we know he's too fearful to step foot in the westward direction.  That same fear guides that pussy-jew's decisions, and the rest of us get fucked and have to pay for it -- as usual!

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 18:18 | 776860 slvrizgold
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Joe LIEberman definitely makes the Congressional ZioFascist All Star Team.  Probably MVP.  And that's with a lot of competition.

He is a despicable anti-American anti-Constitution POS.  I wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

These fuckwads that are busy destroying our country and freedoms will not stop - UNTIL THEY ARE STOPPED.

What in the fuck is wrong with Connecticut?!?!   Look at Dodd - what a JOKE he is.   I wonder the same thing about California, but they have an excuse - millions of overdosed hippies, braindead tweakers, and socialist handout loving immigrants that don't know the 1st thing about what America is all about.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:01 | 775497 no cnbc cretin
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Lieberman is a moron!

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:02 | 775503 Problem Is
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What state would be dumb enough to re-elect a complete and utter moron like Joe Lieber-Douche?

Oh yeah, the same state that kept electing Chris "Douche-Bag" Dodd, friend of Tangelo...

Connecticut...
We officially suspend your right to elect senators until further notice...

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:28 | 775619 spekulatn
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When did ZH hire away Taibbi?

If Joe was still a "d" this piece would read much differently.

Wow ZH has been huffpoood.

That's a shame.

Now I know why Marla is gone.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 13:06 | 775752 jmc8888
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Of course Joe Lieberman is a fascist. 

But we already knew him to be a turncoat.

 

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