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John Paulson's Interview With The Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission
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John Paulson, of the eponymous uber-hedge fund did an hour-long
interview with the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission. I listened to
it (thanks to NYT Dealbook,
although not sure where they got it from), and really, I got a kick out
of it even though I think my carpal-tunnel is really flaring up now.
Anyway, without further ado, here's what the man behind the Greatest Trade Ever has to say about the Financial Crisis…
When
asked what he saw, when, and why he decided to get short, he said
“First thing we noticed was that real estate market appeared very
frothy, values rose very rapidly, which led me to believe real estate
markets were over valued.” That’s pretty simple/straightforward, no?
I think it’s pretty interesting that he said the 3 homes he’s bought
were all out of foreclosure, and they’d increased in value 4-5x over a
2-3 year period through ~'2005. Apparently the impetus for the
research that led to The Trade was literally staring him in the face
every time he got home from work!
He explained his approach, and the way he put it makes me really
think the guys who didn’t leave their trading desks & “never saw
the bubble/crash coming” really had their heads buried in the sand
deeper than I previously thought. As Paulson said, “Credit markets
were very frothy, very little attention paid to risk, spreads were very
low, we thought when those securities correct, it could present
opportunities on short side.”
Their research approach was pretty straight-forward: Focus on
subprime, where they were amazed at how low quality the underwriting
was, and how low the credit characteristics were on the loans. They
found the average FICO was around 630, and over half of the loans were
for cash-out refi’s, which were based on appraised, not sales prices
(so “value” could be manipulated). For many of these loans, LTV was
very, very high, 80, 90, 100% with many of them concentrated in
California (no surprise there). Close to have of the mortgages they
looked at were of the stated-income, no-doc variety.
Those who did report incomes had D/I ratios of > 40% before taxes and insurance. 80% of them were ARMs, so-called 2/28’s
with teaser rates around 6-7% for those first 2 years, but after they
reset, the rates were L+ 600bps which at the point would have doubled
the interest rate on these loans, and Paulson & Co thought there
was very little - if any - chance borrowers would be able to afford the
higher payments.
Once the rates reset, the only thing these borrowers could do would
be to sell, refinance, or default. These were people spending > 40%
of their gross income on their mortgages already, once the rate jumped
up after the teaser period, they expected that many borrowers would
simply default, and the price of the RMBS into which these loans were
securitized would fall drastically, while the price of the protection
(CDS, etc) Paulson bought on them would skyrocket.
Paulson & co also went much further in their analysis,
well-beyond what many of those on Wall Street were doing. In May,
2006, they researched growth of 100 MSA’s
and found that there was a correlation between growth and the
performance of subprime loans originated within them. As growth rates
slowed, defaults rose. From 2000-2005, they found that with 0% growth,
there’d be losses of around 7% in the mortgage pools.
When they looked at the structure of the RMBS they found the average
securitization had 18 separate tranches and that the BBB level only had
5.6% subordination, essentially, once losses surpassed that point, the
tranches would become impaired, and if they reached 7% losses (what
Paulson thought would happen once home price appreciation only slowed
to 0%), the entire tranch would get wiped-out entirely.
By mid-2006, home prices not only had slowed to 0% but were actually
decreasing, albeit slowly, only about 1%. Even still, demand from
institutional investors was so great, spreads tightened to 100bps.
Why? Because as Paulson went on to explain, institutional investors
were buying up the BBB tranches (the lowest investment grade ones) in
hoards.
While he didn’t say it, I will (for the umpteenth time!): This
is what happens when institutions effectively outsource credit research
to the Ratings Agencies, even though many had/have internal credit
analysis groups (ahem IKB ahem). They buy the highest-yielding
security you can find that meets your investment guidelines, which
meant that for many, they could only buy securities deemed by the brain
trusts at the Ratings Agencies as “Investment Grade.”
Paulson started their credit fund in June, 2006, and as he
explained, it wasn’t really as simple as it may seem. Historically -
going back to about WWII - the average loss on subprime securities was
60bps, nowhere near what Paulson & Co expected was about to
happen. As he said “according to the mortgage people, there’d never
been a default on an investment grade (IG) mortgage security.” These
same people were also of the mindset that they’ll NEVER get to the
levels where the BBB tranches are impaired let alone wiped out
completely. These were also the same people who said that not since
the Great Depression there hadn’t been a single period where home
prices declined nation-wide. These same people thought, worst case,
home price growth would drop to 0% temporarily and then return to
growth, just like before.
Why would “the mortgage people” expect anything else? From their
desks on the trading floors in Manhattan, Stamford, London, and
everywhere else, things looked just peachy! Spreads were tightening,
demand for product was up, and more importantly, so were bonuses! As
far as they knew, the mammoth mortgage finance machine they’d created,
based on their complex models and securities was working perfectly…
Paulson also made a distinction missed by many if not most: Everyone
was looking at nominal home price appreciation, but real appreciation
numbers were much different. Going back 25+ years using real growth
rates, they found that prices had never appreciated nearly as quickly
as they had from 2000-2005, and that this trend was unlikely to
continue for much longer, i.e. there would be a correction and then
mean reversion. Their thought was that once this correction came
about, because of the poor mortgage quality and questionable
assumptions/structures in mortgage securities, losses would be much
worse than estimated.
Paulson was intent to make one distinction, one that must have been
the cause of at least some frustration (followed by fantastic
jubilation), that they did their own analysis, they weren’t really
trying to attack “the mortgage people’s” views specifically. Instead,
they were trying to understand the conventional wisdom and understand
why they had contrary viewpoints. As myself and countless others have
pointed out over the years since, the mortgage industry (I guess we’ll
stick with calling them “the mortgage people?”) brushed Paulson off as
“inexperienced, as novices in the mortgage market, they were very, very
much in the minority...Even our friends thought we were so wrong they
felt sorry for us…”
The mortgage people didn’t see any problems because there’d never
been a default, except for one manufactured housing (mobile home) deal
in the early 1990’s in California.
"The Ratings agencies - Moody's - wouldn’t let you buy protection on
securities from a particular state, because they ensured that the pools
were geographically diversified, so they were essentially national
pools, although California loans had the highest concentrations therein
the pools correspond to the level of home sales in each state."
What I found surprising from the interview is that Paulson actually
praised the mortgage underwriting/originating practices of the big
established banks like Wells Fargo and JP Morgan, which he said
generally had the best underwriting standards and controls. The worst
were from the New Centuries and Ameriquests, eclipsed in their lax
standards only by the mom & pop type shops who were really just
sales businesses who made money on the volume of product they
originated and sold to Investment Banks like Lehman and Morgan Stanley
that didn’t have their own origination network.
These smaller “rogue” mortgage originators were mostly private
entities who weren’t under the same scrutiny of their larger,
publically-traded “competition.” Their sales teams were compensated
purely on quantity of loans originated with little-to-no care for
quality. These were the guys who routinely falsified documents,
appraisals, incomes, assets and/or encouraged borrowers to do the
same. These were the kind of places that made Countrywide’s standards
and controls look almost honorable by comparison.
The FCIC then asked Paulson about the infamous ABACUS debacle.
Paulson’s tone when responding to questions from the FCIC here was so,
so, awesome; you could hear it in his voice, like he wanted to just say
“are you guys freaking kidding me? Seriously?!?! REALLY?!??!” every
time they asked him about how CDO’s got made. He basically said
(paraphrasing) “If ACA and IKB or Moody’s didn’t like the ~100 subprime
reference securities we helped pick for the deal, they could have…not
bought the deal or - get this - replaced them with ones they liked
better…I couldn’t have gone short if they hadn’t gone long, they agreed
on the reference portfolio, it got rated, boom, done” It sounded like
he just wanted to say something like “Hello morons?! This is how
Finance works, HELLOOO!!!”
The ABACUS conversation ended pretty awkwardly (as you might
imagine), and then the FCIC moved onto asking Paulson about his Prime
Brokerage relationships and what he thought about the Banks.
Interestingly (to me, at least), Paulson had much of it’s assets with
Bear Stearn’s Prime Brokerage primarily because the way Bear was
structured , the PB assets were ring-fenced from the rest of Bear’s
assets in a separate subsidiary, so even if Bear went down, the PB
assets would theoretically be safe. The rest of Paulson’s assets were
with Goldman’s PB. When Bear’s Cioffi/Tanin-run internal hedge funds
failed, Paulson saw that as the proverbial canary in a coal mine; they
knew the crap that Bear, Lehman, and everyone else had on their books.
They didn’t pulled all of their cash balances from their prime brokers
and set up a contra-account at Bank of New York, where, by the time
Lehman went Bankrupt, they were holding most of their assets in
Treasuries there.
Next, the FCIC asked him about regulators and banks and what people
could (or, better, SHOULD) have done that might have prevented the
crisis. Paulson called out the Fed for not enforcing the mortgage
standards that were already in effect. He mentioned that pre-2000,
no-doc loans were only given to people who could put 50% down and only
represented about 1% of the mortgage market, but only a few years
later, originators were “underwriting” NINJA loans with 100% LTV!
Paulson went on to explain how simple fixes, so-to-speak, just
enforcing existing regulations like requiring income/asset
verification, that homes were owner-occupied, and a downpayment, as low
as 5% would have made a huge difference. Most of the mortgages that
failed didn’t have those characteristics. Excessive leverage and poor
understanding of the credit, problems Paulson also say brought down
Bear and lehman. They were leveraged (total assets: tangible common
equity) on average, 35:1. At that sort of massive leverage, a 3% drop
in assets would wipe out every $ of equity!
Even if that ratio was brought down to 12:1 and you increase their
capital ratio to 8%, the banks still couldn’t hold some of the riskier,
more illiquid assets like Private Equity interests, equity tranches of
CDO’s, lower-rated buyout debt from many real estate deals, and other
assets that themselves were already highly-leveraged. Adding further
leverage to assets themselves already levered an additional 12:1 is
just lunacy. No financial firm should be able to do that, at max those
assets should only be allowed to be levered 2:1 (similar to the max
leverage for stocks due to Fed Regulation T).
He went on (this is pretty much verbatim, emphasis mine): “Under
those scenarios, I don’t think either bank would default. AIG FP was
absurd and exemplified the derivative market where you can sell
protection with zero collateral. AIG FP Sold $500bn in protection with
$5bn collateral, 100:1 collateral. ACA was collateral agent, they were
like 120:1 leveraged. $50bn protection on $60mm collateral. You have
to hold collateral, we need margin requirements for both buying &
selling protection. It’s not the derivative itself that’s the problem, it was the margin requirements (or lack thereof).
We need something like Reg T (max 2:1 leverage at trade inception).
What these guys did would be like like buying $100 of stocks with $1 of
equity, a tiny downward move is a huge loss of equity. In all, these
four things would have likely prevented the crisis:
- Mortgage underwriting standards, simple & logical
- Higher bank capital ratios
- Higher capital against risk assets
- Margin requirements against derivatives
Paulson was then asked about the Ratings Agencies and what role they
played in the bubble/crisis. Regular readers know where I stand on
them & NRSRO regs, and no surprise, Paulson is similarly critical,
particularly of the issuer-pays compensation structure, calling it the
perverse incentive that it really is, despite whatever nonsense
rhetoric RA executives say.
That, combined with being public (or part of public companies) and
they were in this race to keep pace with their competitors, to keep up
earnings growth with their derivatives business, which he called a
“perverse economic incentive that may have led to their laxness in
rating securities”
He went-on to explain this same - in the immortal words of Citi CEO
Chuck Prince - “keep dancing while the music’s still playing” -
incentive structure led the Banks to take similarly short-sighted
actions as they struggled to keep up earnings, growth, and of course,
bonuses. At that point, the only way to do that was to grow their
balance sheets, add more leverage to earn spread. In Paulson’s words
“Once things go up like that, you don’t see any downside, so at top of
market they just weren’t looking at the downside, just upside, became
more and more aggressive until they blew up.”
Paulson said the Fed certaintly could have cracked-down on
lax-underwriting standards, eliminated negative-amortization loans,
stated-income, 100% LTV, IO’s, etc where most of the problems
developed. On the banks and more broad financial services industry, he
said “…people became delusional, ‘we can leverage AAA 100:1…’ if you had margin requirements against derivatives, AIG could have NEVER happened. If they held higher equity against risky investments, they would have never defaulted. Constructively,
that’s what Basel 3 says, 8% equity/capital and higher risk weightings
for illiquid risky type assets. I think adoption of those rules will
lead to a safer financial system.”
When asked about the role of Fannie May & Freddie Mac, he
pointed out the problem was largely similar to what brought down the
banks and AIG: excessive leverage and poor oversight/underwriting.
“They deviated from their underwriting standards as a way to gain share
in alternate mortgage securities, of poor quality & higher losses.
Second, they were also massively leveraged 80-120:1 if you include
on-balance sheet assets & guarantees which is way more than any
financial institution should have.”
Yea, I think 120:1 leverage is just a wee bit more than prudent, just a bit though…
From this interview it seems painfully clear that those with whom
the safety of the Financial System rested were in a deep coma at the
helm, Bank executives, regulators, Congress, institutional money
managers, all of them. It’s clear that the nonsensical argument
put-forward by Tom Arnold & Yves Smith
that those who were shorting housing, subprime, etc were NOT IN ANY
WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM remotely responsible for causing the crisis.
Institutional managers were not gobbling-up BBB-rated RMBS CDO tranches
because shops like Paulson & Co were shorting them. Like I said
before: they wanted the highest yield they could get away with holding!
As Paulson said, anyone who looked at the data he did should have
noticed the impending doom, but apparently, either very, very few
people did that type or analysis or they did and just, like Chuck
Prince said, kept on dancing until the music stopped.
These traders thought tight spreads indicated safety, which is just
wrong in so many ways. These are the same morons who - thought they
should know better - constantly confuse correlation with causation.
Low spreads may have been historically correlated with low default and
loss rates, but low spreads do not cause low losses/defaults. Spreads,
like stocks, trade as a function of supply and demand, and all low
spreads indicate(d) is that, as Paulson noted, institutional managers
were swallowing up as much of these MBS and derivatives (for reasons I
explained above), and, like a bunch of lemmings, all thought history
would continue despite significant evidence suggesting this time, it
was actually different.
One other thing that critics and the public at large probably
doesn’t know is that Paulson & Co had a MASSIVE internal,
independent research effort wherein they did crazy things like *gasp*
look at loan-level data. Imagine that! This enabled them to hunt for
CDO and other product that contained an inordinate amount of crap for
them to short. This same work also helped them to buy RMBS/CMBS etc
when the market turned in 2008 and 2009. They had done the work, and knew what they were willing to pay once it was time to go long.
I’m not saying there’s anything necessarily wrong technical,
momentum, and quantitative trading strategies. There is, however,
something very wrong, and very dangerous about relying on these
strategies alone while ignoring fundamentals, as evidenced by the
housing crisis. Those who did the hard work like Paulson & Co.
made the greatest trade ever, while those who ignored or were otherwise
blind to the fundamentals got absolutely crushed.
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yeah ... sure. Paulson was the only one who saw it coming ... except the office of federal housing enterprise oversight with multiple warnings of systemic risk in the housing markets sent to congressional chairs on the committee on banking, housing and urban affairs and committee on financial services in 2003 and 2004
http://www.fhfa.gov/webfiles/1145/sysrisk.pdf
Note: Bush canned Armando Falcon and replaced him in a day with a hear-no-evil, see-no-evil financial sector lackey. Word back then had it Goldman Sachs had Falcon canned and I happen to believe it.
Yep... nobody saw it coming but Paulson.
Barney Frank (Congressman) 2003: "I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation toward subsidized housing."
Barney Frank 2008: "I think this is a case where Fannie and Freddie are fundamentally sound, that they are not in danger of going under."
Maxine Waters (Congresswoman) 2003: "If it ain't broke, why do you want to fix it? Have the GSEs (Freddie and Fannie) ever missed their housing goals?"
Chris Dodd (Senator) 2004: "This [Government Sponsored Housing] is one of the great success stories of all time..."
Paul Krugman (Economist) 2002: "The basic point is that the recession of 2001 wasn't a typical postwar slump... To fight this recession the Fed needs more than a snapback... Alan Greenspan needs to create a Housing bubble to replace the Nasdaq bubble."
When Politicians tinker with the tax code to favor the sorts of investments
they think people should make (i.e., Housing), we should NOT be surprised
if market distortions result!
With fscksticks like these in charge, who needs enemies??
Hopefully they don't say a year from now when the Municipaly Bonds crash,"We never saw it coming."
Your article is much too long.
You need to shorten it to three paragraphs maximum.
Summary:
John Paulson saw the game, could not believe there was such corruption and lust for mammon running amok, and went short at the right time and got filthy rich.
Loan originators, appraisers, Real Estate agencies, title companies, banks, politicians, etc., etc., etc. - all inflated and sold crap to make the fee, commission, or leverage and speculate upon the crap mortgages (bundled with the mortgages of responsible folk) or to get elected.
When the SHTF the banks, insurers, and Wall Street got bailed out for their malfeasance, while the responsible folk of the U.S. of A. got screwed. Nothing has changed.
That's actually an awesome summery, excellent!
Big Boy John Paulson also gave evidence that smaller “rogue” mortgage originators were mostly to blame for lax mortgage origination who weren’t under the same scrutiny of their larger, publically-traded “competition.” Namely the Big WS Banks were some sort of innocent victims. If we are to believe Big Boy Paulsons account mortgages would have been originated so much better if only the Big Boys of WS had applied their so much higher standards.
Of course WS's 'higher standards' appears to have willingly accepted these crap mortgages (without any 2nd thoughts, bit sloppy from the Big Boys!) and it was their 'slice and dice machine' that was demanding (ie. cause) of this laxness, a laxness their own claimed standards to investors they were driving a horse and coaches through.
So if Big Boy John Paulson is to be believed we must assume the Big Boys of WS were so much better with so much higher standards than these smaller private enterprises. 'Big and Good' versus 'Small and Sloppy' is of course the exact opposite of all evidence in commercial organisations throughout history.
So then we come to usurping State Law with another butchers yard, MERS. This allowed the WS Big Boys to usurp State Property Law and pump their own AAA rated system with an identical (coincidence?) laxness in documentation also entirely for the same reason of speeding the pumping of their slice and dice AAA rated fraud machine. The Big Boy factory of MERS drove a horse and coaches through and indeed run rings around Property Law. Indeed Washingtons rules were specifically laid down to stop national Govt intervention and carve ups (ie. corruption) by giving its States autonomy over property rights and transfers.
MERS was and is the very personification of Big Govt, Big Corp lawlessness running riot across the country. The usual fuking collusion of Big Govt and Big Corps driving a horse and coaches through the Laws of the Land with State quangos Fanny and Freddie riding as cavalry and also owning a slice (shares) in this large factory for sloppy (not to mention totally illegal) paperwork.
I'd love to believe John Paulson that the little companies were responsible for lax and sloppy standards but all the evidence shows sloppiness and lawlessness runs all the way through the Big Boys of WS's entire business process while all along trying to give the patently false impression everything is AAA. The motivation was entirely driven by the usual Big Bad Corps and their absolutely predictable Big Bad, Big Greedy, Big Lawlessness Behaviour. Big Boy Mr Paulson is talking his book (shit)
You have to be kidding... Paulson levered up to make the trade with Goldman Cronies while the regulators said we could not short the financials. Now Paulson is backing the banks that hold 230 T...in level III derivatives. The trade was a crony trade that informed investors could not make. TARP / AIG should not have paid the capital requirements of Hankey Paulson, J Paulson's Goldman trade was illigal.. Goldman has 40T in this crap sitting on level III, JP Morgan 70T and Bank America 40T.. Heck the US residential is estimated at ~ 48T or it dropped 25%.. Paulson is buying the Banks? Is there any morals or for than mater arithmetic left? BLAMING IT ON SUB PRIME IS BLAMING IT ON THE SHELTER NEEDERS NOT THE USURY DEBT PUSHERS.
While reading this long post I figured out the best and brightest among us will not use their intelligence to protect the public, they'll use it to extract enormous sums from us. I'd be laughing at the dumb regulators too. The scam is explained long after the billions have been safely tucked away somewhere offshore.
John Paulson set up his fund in 2006, one year after Michael Burry of Scion Capital first told his investors he was shorting sub-prime and why. In fact Burry can almost entirely be credited with pushing the big WS Banks to set up the CD instruments for shorting sub-prime.
Has John Paulson gained credit for being an 'innovator' or does he acknowledge being a copier of the real searing genius behind shorting sub-prime, Michael Burry?
Just for accuracy and the history books it would be nice to set the record straight.
http://www.vanityfair.com/business/features/2010/04/wall-street-excerpt-...