John Taylor: "Next Year Is Going To Be Truly Miserable" And QE 3 Will Come

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Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:15 | 1332354 surferexx
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obviously going to be at least a small gap between QE2 to #3.  how long is anyone's guess.  Market going to bounce around even today or are we going to see a follow through?

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:56 | 1332536 RafterManFMJ
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*Caressing a stack of ASE* "So precioussssss..."

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 12:04 | 1332565 Dolemite
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Silver short term top in at 37.50

Equites and oil dont look too hot either...

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 23:09 | 1334757 FlyPaper
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Gap between QE2 and QE3xx - duration:  seems to me that Obama can't get reelected if the economy is in shambles.  Also, the public that is onto the debt threat can be quashed if the economy tumbles and the government 'cuts back.'  

Hence a strategy is to let things cool enough then wait for Joe public to be mislead by the mainstream media to cry out for relief.  That's when QE3 comes; time to dump money into the economy as the election cycle heats up.

Just a theory, but since the thread is always power and money, this seems to fit both criteria.


Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:16 | 1332357 Deep
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See while everyone here and mainstream media think QE3 will be a replay of QE2, where we rally 25%, IMHO i dont think so. By then it will be all too obivious that this will not work either, and i see a massive run on the markets.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:20 | 1332370 SheepDog-One
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A QE3 would simply be a momentary feeding frenzy like throwing a pig carcass into a school of Great Whites. Who is left to believe whats failed will now work? I really believe soon as further 'easing' is announced the wheels fall off immediately after maybe a quick spike up at best.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:04 | 1333169 Alexandre Stavisky
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Austerity? Ha-ha

You mean the one in seven who has his daily calories and shelter provided by Big brother.  How about all the gov't employees and military and social security recipients, most of whom are fully dependent and have all their forward payments factored completely to their lifestyle?

You would have revolution.  All the mortgage writers, all the construction and manufacturing workers, all the marginalized finance guys--no work.  Additionally, austerity means the money supply must contract and fast.  That means necessary add'l defaults, add'l bankruptcies, add'l strain on the already broken beyond fix financial system.

With all the printing, stealth monetization, restructuring and "reprofiling" to keep sovereigns from default, and gimmick felonious accounting keeping banks appearing solvent, the global financial system barely passed the guffaw test.

Austerity, money supply shrinkage, recognition of insolvency, 40-60% reduction in social welfare?

No way.  The globe will print until every outlier who has so far escaped the rapacious destruction of monetary and economic mismanagement capitulates.  Then "free market" western capitalism which is truly just command and control socialism disguised, will resort to strong arm command economy.

There will never be a willing acceptance of austerity.  Too long have TPTB shown NO tolerance for discipline.

No thank you currency.  No thank you negative cash flow, maintenance nightmare, annual tax tribute RE, no thanks pretty equity and debt certificates with no fundamental underpinning and twice exposed to degradation--denominated in arbitrary fiat and derived from super-impaired volatile opaque cash-flows.

This structure is so wobbly it couldn't support the flimsiest austerity.  Print, pretend, pray.  Philosophy of men that would be king.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:42 | 1333366 Lucius Corneliu...
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Great comment.  Better learn to grow your own food and raise your own chickens!

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 15:00 | 1333457 JW n FL
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I think you missed the fact that he is not happy with the way things are..


I think that you missed the fact that $18 Trillion Dollars was handed to Wall Street not the po' folk of the land in the last 3 years with no benefit to the economy or "We the People"...


Thusly, you need to read more and respond less.. you stupid fuck!

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:21 | 1332377 chrisd
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Don't underestimate the stupidity of those receiving the money

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:27 | 1332394 SheepDog-One
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What money, the fiat worthless dollars they'd move the decimal point on? Big deal. Lets see how good the fiat money is when Syria style riots show up here when the millions living on SNAP get cut off suddenly as congress is talking about doing.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:48 | 1332509 Chump
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You're right.  QEIII is not coming.  Calling it a certainty in every other headline on ZH is not going to change reality.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 13:23 | 1332964 Alpha Monkey
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Do banks still have tons of bad loans they need to offload?  Is there a new buyer of last resort (someone that has confidence in the US and it's financial institutions)?  Does our economy collapse if new debt isn't created?  Is under/unemployment at all time high levels?  Are people able to take on debt if there are no jobs?  Are companies hiring?  Are people already up to their eyeballs in debt.  Are banks willing to loan to poeple if there is a chance they won't be able to collect on those debts?  Is wall street still running the country? Perhaps you're not looking from the right perspective...

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 13:46 | 1333100 Chump
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Did QE, QE-lite, and QEII do a single thing to help alleviate any of that, or did it ultimately make all those things worse?  Has QEII even ended yet?  C'mon man, think!

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 15:03 | 1333453 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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Does our economy collapse if new debt isn't created?

The Fed will delay the inevitable as long as it can.  When it can't delay any longer, TEOTWAKI.

Fri, 06/03/2011 - 00:49 | 1334895 h3m1ngw4y
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not that i am interested in this crap but its TEOTWAWKI. not that id care about your spelling. it only proves the point

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 15:42 | 1333644 WakeyWakey
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I agree they didn't alleviate the problems they were meant to solve, however it has made the millionaires and billionaires of the world even richer, and it is they who pull the strings....C'mon think, its a plutocracy and without us being in debt they dont make money.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 12:20 | 1332663 DosZap
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They have bass ackwarded the QE funds.

Obama wants 2.5T more coin.

GOP wants 4T cuts.

Wet dream for both.

IF a QE were to be done, it should go directly to the PEOPLE.

Not the banks,not the Treasuries.

Dole out that kind of cash to John Q, and watch the spending spree.

Might be the last hope for at least a kick start on the economy,( likely way too late) and would guarantee Owambas re-election.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 12:46 | 1332759 sschu
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Dole out that kind of cash to John Q

Politically this is what Bam etal wants, direct cash in the hands of the voters, or maybe something around a mortgage refinance program to bring everyone to 2%.

Bennie wants more juice for his Wall Street cronies, I suspect we will end up with a bit of both.

Neither has worked so far, but this of course will provide a 9 month economic jump start to get the Bamster elected.  Look for it around October.  If this happens, 2013 will make 2009 look like a party. 


Thu, 06/02/2011 - 13:07 | 1332881 Chump
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If printing money and handing it to citizens is an even mildly effective way of giving an economy a "kick start" then why the fuck should anyone ever work a day in their life?  Why doesn't the government just print money and deliver checks to every citizen every Friday?

ZH outlines the various pitfalls of money printing almost daily, not the least of which is currency debasement.  You rightly acknowledge that QE isn't even making it into the "real" economy, and yet we see the $ getting crushed.  Do you somehow think that when some type of QE is actually focused on delivering checks to commoners that said debasement of the $ will...subside?  Or do you think it will accelerate and negate any effects of this populist crack pipe dream?

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 15:47 | 1333670 WakeyWakey
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i refer to my earlier answer. They are doing exactly that, ensuring their rich friends never have to work a day in their lives. They get 'free' money at our expense, and the politicians get to join the plutocracy.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 15:48 | 1333686 RKDS
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That's only if people waste the money on new stuff and speculation.  If they responsibly retire debt, then they'll be much better off.  Heck, that's what I would do with any government check that came in.  The banksters were going to get a free money handjob anyway, so why not help those who actually need the help at the same time?

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 16:25 | 1333825 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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You assume that if the Fed knows QE is destructive they will stop doing it.  That assumption is false.

Fri, 06/03/2011 - 05:59 | 1335047 jedimarkus
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I totally agree.  I would not expect the same market reaction as we have had.   Less and less buying the big lie...

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:16 | 1332358 mayhem_korner
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Sales of deadbolts and bolt-action rifles robust...

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 20:03 | 1334413 Vlad Tepid
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And P-47 Thunderbolts and neck bolts.  As long as it has a bolt in the name, I'm buying!

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:17 | 1332360 TradingJoe
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QE3: One BIG move upwards then woooossshhhh and that's IT folks, lights out!

Good Luck to You All!

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:21 | 1332381 SheepDog-One
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Yes good luck, people will need a lot of it, in particular those who really have no idea of whats set to go down, that would be most all americans.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:26 | 1332389 Dr. Engali
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We won't make it that far. Once it is announced that will be it. The dollar will break all support vs all other currencies and be dead.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:25 | 1332400 SheepDog-One
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Yea I seriously doubt the 'move up' part will happen at all, just a sudden bubble pop and this time they have zero answers. 

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:21 | 1332363 SheepDog-One
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No way out, and the world central bankster cabal is about to take it out on the people. Really its been the plan all along, its their 'new world order', but people liked calling that 'conspiracy theory' and therefore it couldnt be true. But it is totaly true.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 12:26 | 1332673 DosZap
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Been preaching that for YEARS, only to thought a loonie.

Wish I had been incorrect.......

 Really its been the plan all along, its their 'new world order', but people liked calling that 'conspiracy theory' and therefore it couldnt be true. But it is totaly true.


Thu, 06/02/2011 - 16:04 | 1333740 WakeyWakey
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I agree, the 'Solution' will be a one world government with a single world bank using a single world currency.


The only problem with that is China is never going to agree to that, especially as it is about to take over the mantle as world super power. So what is the solution to that ?

Easy, The US goes to war with China. How ? maybe have the Pentagon change the rules of engagement for war to include cyber terrorism, and then have the Chinese Govet conduct an unverifiable hack on the US govt...but start small, like hacking the g-mails of senior US gov staff....See how easy this shit is, sow the seeds and roll out the propaganda when required.

As China holds most of America's debt, if the US declares war on China, does that cancel the debt? I mean, surely a debtor nation would not credit it's enemy in time of war.

Its kill four birds with one stone

1) Cancel the debt

2) Send the Chinese back to the stone age to decimate their economy

3) Bring all the jobs back that the Chinese can no longer do

4) War generates business in arms, weapons and ballistics..good for stimulating the economy...look at WWII, it was the catalyst that brought the US out of the great depression.


I hope to fuck I am wrong on all this, but the dumb fuckers in charge have their safe bunker under Denver airport to survive the nuclear fallout for a few years.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 16:21 | 1333819 Bwahaha WAGFDSMB
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You think it's possible to have a US/China war that doesn't go nuclear?

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 20:09 | 1334421 Vlad Tepid
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Yes, but not one that the US wins.  US military leadership would be stupid enough to fight it in Western Pacific...China would never go to San Diego.  They'll lure in the 7th fleet and wipe it out.  End of the war pretty much.  Then the Pentagon dingbats go nuclear as was said above.  It's a possibility but I don't think a one-world currency will have anything to do with it.  More like resource hegemony, if the US is still on it's feet.  If China thinks were becoming a threat to them, they will cut our economy out from under us. 

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:18 | 1332365 fuu
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...they raping e'erbody out here.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:25 | 1332383 chrisd
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hide your kids, hide your wife

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:32 | 1332426 jomama
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and hide yo husbands

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 13:03 | 1332836 johny2
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hide with your neighbours wife

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 14:07 | 1333189 Thomas
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What? No daughters?

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:19 | 1332369 tip e. canoe
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thread music in honor of the Taylors:

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:24 | 1332375 unky
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reminds me of the NIA movie: The day the dollar died

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:25 | 1332382 francis_sawyer
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Titanic bitchez!

Gold first... Then women & children...

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:26 | 1332388 chartcruzer
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VERY LONG TERM,,   S&P500 IN GOLD[s235939273]&disp=P

How much lower can it go.   Simply consider the size of the current debt bubble relative to 1929

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:24 | 1332398 buzzsaw99
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The stock market is the economy.

A depression means stock prices are low.

"They" know at what level of the stock market QE3 will be applied and you don't.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:29 | 1332406 kridkrid
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Ha!  Hide your kids, hide your wife, hide your gold. 

"You're talking the real economy, not markets"... the world has gone mad.

"Europe can't do anything... Europe is falling apart"... may you live in interesting times.

"Housing is not going to save us"?  How can those words come out of the interviewer's mouth?

"We are looking like the Weimer Republic"... "When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and waving a cross"... Wait for it... wait for it....

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 11:41 | 1332491 TwoShortPlanks
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And behind door number 2 i-i-i-s, National Socialism 2.0....congratulations America! And here's your friendly dictator, G-L-E-N  B-E-C-K! (Secretly Trump was hoping to get the gig, but he got fired).

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 12:11 | 1332616 HellFish
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Two Ns in Glenn Beck dummy.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 12:29 | 1332695 kridkrid
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Not sure why the junks... must be a lot of Glenn Beck fans here.  I watch the R's with interest to see if there is someone who could foot the bill.  And before you junk me... this isn't an anti-R thing... it's a timing thing.  And it's the R's who will be challenging the "Wiemar Republic".  Our current predicament would be unchanged had John McCain won.  Had he won, I would be watching the D's with interest.

Thu, 06/02/2011 - 15:44 | 1333652 myshadow
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Actually I think it would be a lot worse.  phil gramm would have been in charge instead of timmeh, he certainly would have fucked things up big time.  Otherwise, as a guy who voted D, I agree with you.

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