Water, Meet Blood - JP Morgan Admits To, Reduces Massive Silver Short Position, Proves Millions Of Conspiracy Theorists Correct

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Mon, 12/13/2010 - 20:58 | 803221 hero HNL
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JPM is right now getting out of silver and moving into copper.

 

See the rise in copper happened almost at the same time as silver in August.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 22:23 | 803466 Bring the Gold
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Welcome to the forum. I hope you have a thick flame resistant skin!

As to JPM and copper it's interesting. I read somewhere China was considering a tri-metallic currency regime. I wish I could remember where.

Tue, 12/14/2010 - 01:21 | 803799 palmereldritch
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Here's a related article

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/516012...

From April 2009: 

 

A 'Copper Standard' for the world's currency system?

[snip]:

 

Nobu Su, head of Taiwan's TMT group, which ships commodities to China, said Beijing is trying to extricate itself from dollar dependency as fast as it can.

The next industrial revolution is going to be led by hybrid cars, and that needs copper. You can see the subtle way that China is moving into 30 or 40 countries with resources," he said.

Beijing may yet buy gold as well, although it has not done so yet. The gold share of reserves has fallen to 1pc, far below the historic norm in Asia. But if a metal-based currency ever emerges to end the reign of fiat paper, it is just as likely to be a "Copper Standard" as a "Gold Standard".

The question is:

Is JPM fronting China, blocking China, gouging a monopoly or all of the above?

Addendum:  From a macro perspective this doesn't look like inflation in China so much as it is a large scale and long term conversion of USD holdings by stealth into the securing of primary resource base metals both in physical pools in China and in mine interests elsewhere to vertically integrate ownership and price control (hence profit control) of all the elements of manufactured goods produced by this country.

The world reserve currency is shaping up to be the finished manufactured product increasingly owned by China through its stake in its control of the raw and finished components before it is ever sold to the end user.

The iCrap as currency.

 

Tue, 12/14/2010 - 03:06 | 803939 Bob Sponge
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I have been wondering:  Could a huge stock market crash help JPM cover their short silver position in that people could heavily sell PMs and buy stocks at very low prices?  and...Would TPTB engineer such a stock market crash to help JPM?  Just a thought.  The fiat situation may keep a lot of people from selling their PMs for any reason.

Tue, 12/14/2010 - 03:17 | 803957 Hook Line and S...
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Don't swallow your mexi-jumping beans yet. These slithering reptiles had plenty o' time to get ready and have their delegates prepared. Expect large numbers of proxy new shorts to move in soon. 

Tue, 12/14/2010 - 10:15 | 804389 The Gong Girl
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So, Blythe?  Who's "scared sh*tless" now?  What goes around comes around.  Instant Karma, baby!

Tue, 12/14/2010 - 10:23 | 804405 The Gong Girl
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The FT story by Jack Farchy is a verbatim recitation of GATA.  Blythe is now "scared sh*tless" herself, hah! Instant Karma, baby!

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 20:03 | 803032 molecool
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Boo-ya-kaaa!!!

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 20:05 | 803035 ctiger2
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“materially smaller” than in the past."

translates to:

"we've just un-un-doubled our short position."

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 20:07 | 803037 A_MacLaren
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May the childhood rhyme prove true: Cheaters never prosper.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 20:07 | 803039 TheGreatPonzi
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JPM will have to use shell companies to do the work, now.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 20:19 | 803057 MsCreant
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Or they get Goldman's Sacks to do it for them...or another company, while JP Morgan helps them out with something they want to cheat at...

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 20:19 | 803072 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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The Goldman Sach would never do this job, they are way above it.  Shell corps can not finance this; the silver short was one of if not the biggest farce ever perped on humanity.  Watch how fast the FIAT syatem fails now!

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 20:42 | 803161 MsCreant
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What if you gave the shell corp. the money somehow? I want to be a believer, I do. If Ben is in this, he can just make it come into existence, anywhere he wants. Perhaps I am being childish, but I have no idea what would prevent him from doing it.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 20:52 | 803200 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Give them.......dollars? 

This news is the sun on the vamps face.  Shorting silver was THE ONLY THING HOLDING THE DOLLAR UP.  The dollar is done.  Move to dxy 78 tomorrow, 77 by Wednesday, and by Friday the bottom falls out.  DXY 66 within weeks.  The game is over.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 21:06 | 803247 Hephasteus
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It's like a game changer from Rock Paper Scissors to Glock Paper Scissors? Kill your customers so you don't have to deliver. Let's get world war 3 started. I grow tired of the endless stupidity.

Tue, 12/14/2010 - 00:50 | 803781 Thanatos
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hehe.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 23:38 | 803644 I Am The Unknow...
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Quick Wizard of Oz, pull the lever that says "Euro zone panic" so as to depress the EUR and boost DXY.  Get the Mainstream Media to the printing presses, quickly!

Tomorrow's headlines read: "Panic on the Streets of London, Panic on the Streets of Birmingham, Panic on the Streets of Carlysle, Dublin, Dundee and Versaille"

Tue, 12/14/2010 - 01:01 | 803805 StychoKiller
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Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of Socialists! :>D

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 20:46 | 803174 Rainman
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This is just like how we are forced to watch modern reruns of films from yesteryear.....Spiderman, Superman, etc. No creativity by today's commodity brainiacs....just dust off the same old " necessity " cons. Hunt Brothers worked the silver scam decades ago......behind the oil, coffee and sugar shortage scams. Enron had the electricity futures squeeze. This is like the chain letter that turns up every 10 or so years, only now more frequently. Lapsed memory falls for the play every time and gets Wankered at the top. Beware.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 20:08 | 803040 razorthin
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What looks to be a H&S top on the $USD daily chart may make short-term move even more interesting.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 20:08 | 803041 LiquidBrick
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silver to $25.00 by the end of the yr. they have to put.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 20:40 | 803158 JLee2027
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We will never see $25 an ounce for silver again in US Dollars in our lifetimes.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 21:05 | 803240 Fred Hayek
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Perhaps in 2013's new RentenDollar.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 21:12 | 803261 akak
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Ein volk.

Ein reich.

Ein Chairman.

 

 

Bernanke uber alles!

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 22:40 | 803340 akak
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I guess I was junked by ... a lurking Nazi with a chip on his shoulder?

(For those literal-minded persons junking my post above, it WAS made in jest!)

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 22:43 | 803501 Bring the Gold
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I'm sure you have. Been junked by the same when calling out their BS.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 22:49 | 803510 razorthin
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Me thinks maybe Leo called the site DBA to let him write multiple junks agains you.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 23:31 | 803637 akak
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LOL, that thought occurred to me as well!

I'm surprised he didn't make a post to remind me, and the rest of us, that the corporations and elites "own us", and that of course, "There's not a damn thing you can do about it".  That smug and venal coward really gets my goat.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 23:08 | 803559 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ akak,

I leave ZH for 3 hours to read and have dinner (while on vacation in PERU ferchrissakes), and look what happens!  I miss this big story breaking.  Do I ahve to stay here 24/7 ???

Still this is wonderful news for Peru, looks like a LOT more capital will be coming in.  And more bearings to be sold.

...

Yo, JPM, esp. YOU JonNadler!  Get that price of silver back down to $24.00 or thereabouts so I can pick up some more on the cheap when I get back!

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 23:29 | 803621 akak
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DoChen, I hope you're having a great time down there!  Be sure to have a Pisco sour for me, and some of that great Lima ceviche!  And if you make it up to Cuzco on this trip, some aji de gallina and of course, CUY!  My favorite!

Tue, 12/14/2010 - 01:05 | 803807 StychoKiller
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Check these out:

http://www.coin-rare.com/12-oz-silver-bars.aspx

Suweeet!  ONE TROY POUND!

Tue, 12/14/2010 - 09:47 | 804293 ATM
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OMG, is that fucking funny! I'm buying some of those.

Tue, 12/14/2010 - 12:27 | 804817 CD
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Yup, very fitting. Picked one up a few weeks ago. Quadrillion is the new trillion, though...

Tue, 12/14/2010 - 01:29 | 803841 trav7777
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stop defending yourself against some "raciss" charge that you are INFERRING someone is making.

Look, everyone just stop fearing the label, stop using the label, move on.

Tue, 12/14/2010 - 03:57 | 803988 Hook Line and S...
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Trav,

Did I ever tell you I think you're a PM loving joo-nigga-spic?! : )

Best Regards,

Hook, Line, and Sphincter (I'm a wigger, descended from a chigger and a spigger)

 

Tue, 12/14/2010 - 00:02 | 803695 laughing_swordfish
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You mean in 2013's new Judefetzen?

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 21:16 | 803274 moofph
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...you might see it if it flashes and your blinking eye moves at the speed of light...you also might see it in the paper price on its way down to zero as the reality-physical price runs the victory lap around the globe with gold and platinum giving "high-fives" at the finish line.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 21:45 | 803367 Shrimp Head
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Freegold, bitchez

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 23:14 | 803575 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ $1385

or should I say + $55,000?

Tue, 12/14/2010 - 01:06 | 803808 StychoKiller
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If the universe is indeed curved, then given a powerful-enough telescope, you should be able to see the back of your own head! :>D

Tue, 12/14/2010 - 04:00 | 803994 Hook Line and S...
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I do like that positive curved universe theme, it would nicely explain a universe that exists in the ever-present moment, where time and space are but constructs imagined for our convenience.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 20:08 | 803042 jimgcpa
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Every conspiracy theory is eventually proven correct?  LMAO!!!  Like the one where we never landed on the moon?  What a freakin joke.

 

 

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 20:18 | 803074 tickhound
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Why prove a conspiracy as correct... when one can simply view it as self-evident..

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 20:27 | 803111 oddjob
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Mankinds repeated trips to the moon since then obviously proves that conspiracy false.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 20:28 | 803115 TraderTimm
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Yeah, its pretty hard to fake the laser reflector that is on the moon's surface. It is used by observatories to measure the earth-moon distance as it increases slowly due to orbital mechanics.

Reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 20:42 | 803164 Problem Is
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Hey Einstein...
You know the Soviets placed mirror reflectors for laser measurement and brought back lunar rock samples robotically without ever setting foot on the moon?

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 22:39 | 803495 Rusty Shorts
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Jeesh, there are no reflectors on the moon, cause if there were, we couldn't hit them anyway ... the whole surface of the moon is a "reflector".

Reflectors on the moon, gawd, it takes a laser beam 1.4 seconds to reach the moon, which the moon btw, has traveled 34,000km during that 1.4 seconds. Yet, even if some 19 year old undergraduate did manage to hit a supposed "reflector", the return trip takes another 1.4 seconds, by which time the Earth has left the area altogether.

 

In other news, the GPS system confirms that the Earth is expanding at exactly the same rate as the Moon is receding.

 

Links available on request.

Mon, 12/13/2010 - 23:03 | 803545 HellFish
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Yeah I'll take those links.

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