JPM Attempts To Create An HFT Feeding Frenzy In GM Options At Expense Of Ford

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Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:06 | 844061 docj
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I'm guessing this is pretty much precisely how fascism is supposed to "work".

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:08 | 844064 Kaiser Sousa
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yeah, and their fucking with Silver again too...

so obvious....thanks Bart Chilton

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:22 | 844089 Azannoth
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If silver goes higher I am gonna take profits on my silver stocks, if silver goes lower I am gonna buy more physical, I win either way :)

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:08 | 844066 unwashedmass
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this is a good one, but my favorite "herd the peasants into the corral for slaughter" call this morning is the reco on Priceline and Amazon. That one might have been from JPM as well.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:08 | 844069 unununium
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JPM is probably sitting on a stack of March $17 F calls.

Customers of these firms will never learn.  An inside account of the systematic exploitation of clients has been available anywhere since Liar's Poker was released 20 years ago, and probably earlier.

Which reminds me, I need to add Michael Lewis to my list of anti-bank heroes.


Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:19 | 844083 Jim B
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Actually, GM sold off most (if not all) of it's defense related divisions a long time ago.  GM's auto Biz has been a money loser for a long time and GM has canalized itself to support a bloated infrastructure and over paid workforce.  They don't have much left and will have to actually make money selling cars.... LOL

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:10 | 844072 Oh regional Indian
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Not surprising at all. 

GM supplies far more to the war machine than ford does.

For all the wrong reasons, indicative of this time, I think GS has a winner here.

"General" Motors. See?


Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:12 | 844074 metastar
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Good luck GM. I decided the day you took the bailout that I would never buy one of your cars again, just as I will not bank at the TBTFs.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:53 | 844141 No Mas
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Well, well.  YOU aren't going to buy another GM car; that should put a huge dent in their sales.  And YOU'RE not banking at the TBTFs??  Look out below, their deposits are really going to take a hit!!!!!

My god the hubris of the ZH sheeple.  I'm sure the herd will moo their appreciation, but outside your backyard bunker the real world is laughing their asses off at the clowns you guys have become.


Mon, 01/03/2011 - 11:36 | 844228 VisualCSharp
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WTF is your problem? I applaud metastar for his decisions. They are the right ones to make. He is an individual, as we all are, and can only do the right thing for himself. And if the "herd" is mooing their appreciation that indicates metastar isn't alone.

What "right thing" have you done recently?

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 14:10 | 844603 Problem Is
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Voting with you dollars is the best weapon of the masses...

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 13:43 | 844524 cranky-old-geezer
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Sounds like the hubris is all yours.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 14:50 | 844694 GreenSideUp
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Plus, I personally know a bunch of "sheep" who aren't buying GM any more, nor are they banking at the TBTF banks.  Most of them don't understand it all that well but they hate the TARPs and bailouts and they hate fascism.  At any rate, they're not laughing at those who are willing to do something, anything, no matter how small.  


Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:13 | 844077 Cdad
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Don't you just love it when the criminal syndicate known as Wall Street brings up a loogie...and I mean from deep down...and hacks it into your face?

Anyone recommending GM over Ford is in need of morality retraining.  I say this after a lifetime of enjoying Chevy cars and trucks...a man who will never buy another.

That said, shorting Ford probably makes sense....just without the GM part of the syndicate's trade.  GM can kiss my rear end...the fascist pricks!  H. Patel's name should be remembered, and all future recommendations from this guy disregarded, as he is clearly allowing himself to be a tool of the syndicate known as Wall Street.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:16 | 844080 ak_khanna
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The banks and financial institutions have emerged to be more powerful than earlier anticipated and exert greater influence on the political class and central bankers who are responsible to curb their activities. Not a single top shot banker has been charged with bringing the world financial system on the brink of collapse in 2009. They continue to enjoy record bonuses while the unemployment continues to increase and families loose their homes to foreclosure. They have successfully stalled all efforts to curb their speculative activities are now in total control of the movements in all the stock, commodities, bonds and currency markets thanks to the unlimited funds provided to them by the central bankers.

Nothing is going to be solved till The Glass Stegall Act is reinstated.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:19 | 844082 knukles
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"We believe that this trade may be particularly attractive for those investors who anticipate outperformance of GM relative to Ford."


Ranks right up there with; "A fresh corpse might be particularly attractive if you're a necrophiliac."

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:21 | 844085 Jake3463
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I believe the effects of Moral Hazard now have officially gone full retard.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:26 | 844096 spongeBOB
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 Douche bank upgrading GM and AA this morning. This is the same bullshit as last year when every analyst and his brother coming out and upgrading stocks on the first day of the year, after the market had rallied 70%.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:54 | 844142 ZeroPower
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Well, to be fair, the market DID end up last year..

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 11:00 | 844150 spongeBOB
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I don't FAIR andf US equity markets should be used in the same sentence :)

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:32 | 844116 Vergeltung
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this is a real shame, as IIRC, Ford took no bailout money and are actually succeeding in the marketplace with sound business strats.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 11:17 | 844197 ExpendableOne
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Ford took tarp money / loans on the quiet side.  They didn't play it up, but they took the money.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 11:55 | 844278 JohnG
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Source?  Can't see that in any financials for F.

Disclosure: Long F.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 12:30 | 844353 karzai_luver
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I am not going to bother to look it up, it doesn't matter as Ford in public hearings supported GovvyMotoers getting the bailout.


Further more Ford was said to have "bet the company" to fund via debt their turnaround. Who thinks they would NOT have been bailed out if that failed?

I suspect the fix was in no matter.





and then to see Ford hoisted onto some moral mountaintop.


The sheep are well and truely a bunch of blind bumpkins.


Mon, 01/03/2011 - 13:25 | 844491 Vergeltung
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yeah, whatever you say moron.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 12:57 | 844413 ExpendableOne
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Sorry, not TARP exactly, but still Fed Reserve support.  This guy can sum it up better than I can.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 16:05 | 844888 Freddie
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I think all the car companies that had their own financing arms took support when the commercial paper market froze.  BMW and Mercedes too.  I am not sure about Honda and Toyo.   Also that Ob*ma whore General Electric had all their worthless debt backstopped.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 22:47 | 845663 JohnG
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Agreed, though CPFF only bought 3 month paper through 1 Feb 2010.

The debt is detailed in Note 10 of the latest 10Q.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:36 | 844118 LoneStarHog
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\Sarcasm On ... I am confident that Mr. Kirk Kerkorian will be buying most of those Calls... \Sarcasm Off

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:39 | 844121 Dan The Man
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makes them an easier target

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 10:42 | 844125 JawsMusic
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I buy a new vehicle every two years or so, this year it was a Ford.

It will never again be a GM or Chrysler product. Its imoral to reward theft.


Mon, 01/03/2011 - 11:25 | 844215 NumberNone
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Not jumping on the government bandwagon is what is hurting Ford in the short run.  Government, banks, and GM in one big giant circle-jerk to keep the illusion that the flood of government money is creating utopia. 

Average person will never hear of the JPM recommendation all they will see is GM going up (government good) and Ford going down. 

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 11:59 | 844290 JawsMusic
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I do think that personal purchasing decisions are a valid discussion point for GM.

What percentage of GM's US customers purchased GM becasue of a desire to buy american?

Now what percentage of thoose people are mad about the direct Government intervention in the GM bankrupcy, they are now left with one choice Ford.

Short Ford and Long GM, I can't see anyway that makes sense.











Mon, 01/03/2011 - 12:29 | 844350 Silverhog
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Anything is OK, as long as keeps the beast alive. The plan is to eventually destroy private business.  Government owned businesses will get all the skittles they wants.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 12:43 | 844381 carbonmutant
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If GM and Ford were the only two players in the EV game this report might have a point.

Mon, 01/03/2011 - 12:46 | 844387 knukles
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I made a decision some 20 years ago or so to never buy another GM product after the bag-o'-shite it was they'd called a Chevette.

Tue, 01/04/2011 - 09:15 | 846183 Papasmurf
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Brilliant move.  Since most options expire worthless, they'll profit on both ends of this trade.  One would think this scheme would come from the squid, not from JPM.

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