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Julius Baer Whistleblower Who Was Supposed To Hand Over To Wikileaks List Of 2,000 Tax Evaders, Arrested In Switzerland

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Headlines from Sky News for now. Swiss police arrest ex-banker Rudolf Elmer on new charges relating to handover of bank client data to WikiLeaks. Just justice being served.

From Reuters:

Swiss police on Wednesday arrested former banker Rudolf Elmer on fresh charges of breaching Swiss bank secrecy law for giving data to WikiLeaks, hours after he was found guilty of another secrecy offense.

"The state prosecutor's office is checking to see whether Rudolf Elmer has violated Swiss banking law by handing the CD over to WikiLeaks," the Zurich cantonal (state) police and state prosecutor said in a joint statement.

Earlier on Wednesday, a court found Elmer guilty of breaching banking secrecy for publicising private client data. He was also found guilty of threatening an employee at his former firm Julius Baer.

Elmer, who helped bring WikiLeaks to prominence three years ago when he used it to publish secret client details, on Monday handed over new data to the website, which has outraged U.S. authorities by releasing thousands of confidential State Department cables.

 


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Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:36 | Link to Comment Alcoholic Nativ...
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ILLEGALLY SHOOT THE SON OF A BITCH!

 

 

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:03 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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It's NOT GOOD TO BE... a whistleblower...

 

WHEN WILL HE GET HIS 1.5 MILLION DOLLAR BOOK DEAL?

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:08 | Link to Comment unky
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Its a good deal,  the german newspaper reported he just has to pay 5000€ in fine.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 18:25 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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That's not how the european union works buddy. He'll have to sell a book for 1.5 million. Tie it to drug sales for 8 millon and then be fined 4 million.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 19:13 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Or he might get 'suicided.'


Completely off topic, but just discovered (to me):

 

The More Americans That Go On Food Stamps The More Money JP Morgan Makes



Wed, 01/19/2011 - 22:21 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!! EVERYONE MUST WATCH THIS BLOOMBERG VIDEO!!!!

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 23:52 | Link to Comment davepowers
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absolutely

nobody can make this up.

watch this moron's video

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 22:57 | Link to Comment Kreditanstalt
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But he's not a "whistleblower"!

A real whistleblower would be EXPOSING what governments do, not helping them.  A true whistleblower works for the people, any or all of them, not the state.

He's a government agent, an IRS employee, a bought man.  I hope he gets what's coming to him under Swiss law.

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 04:09 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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HE WILL BE CHEESEBOARDED UNTILL HE TELLS THE TRUTH!!

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 10:08 | Link to Comment blindfaith
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You can have the stinking Swiss (and Swedes too).  Can hardly thing of any group more corrupt than the Swiss bankers and Government while the citizens sit quietly by.  Hide thieves and launder money to make a penny and claim that is just business.  Steal childern from parents and send them to state run prison/labor work camps for reasons that are a flimsy as coming home late from the movies or giving a politian the finger.  No folks, the Swiss have some very dirty linen.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:36 | Link to Comment TheGreatPonzi
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More drama. Wikileaks sounds more and more like a bad soap opera.

I'm still waiting for the Bank of America documents, by the way...

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:37 | Link to Comment Alcoholic Nativ...
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FUCK WIKILEAKS. It's high time we get our hands on that insurance file.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:44 | Link to Comment erik
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It makes sense to release the BAC stuff around their earnings release.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:52 | Link to Comment almost_have_a_name
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BAC has more than one set of books, if it thinks Wiki will release, it will post poor results. This way they can sell the dip as an earnings issue, instead of a Wiki issue.

 

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:19 | Link to Comment AnarchoCapitalist
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Ummmmm... no they don't. PWC has to audit and sign off on their 10K  before it is submitted to the SEC. Do you think that the review of a 10k for a $150 billion company can be done within a few weeks?

 

Don't get me wrong, these TBTF institutions are garbage and corrupt, but you can't just pull some sort of unverifiable claim out there like that. It allows people to discredit you and some people might disregard the other claims with actual merit against the TBTF institutions.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:45 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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agreed, but their books are cooked right up front.  Auditing bogus books is futile.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:59 | Link to Comment AnarchoCapitalist
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Exactly. See Repo 105 if you doubt this.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 18:02 | Link to Comment Common_Cents22
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Yeah, Arthur Andersen does great forensic audit work!

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 18:45 | Link to Comment seek
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You're assuming the auditors aren't in on it. Think Enron.

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 01:43 | Link to Comment Money Squid
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A few years ago I wrote a paper for an accounting class. The topic was FASB 57 - related party disclosures. The more I searched I found that in every case of a major corporate fraud related to related party disclosures, one of the BIG 5 accounting firms not only signed off on the fraudulent financials, they were charged and found guilty for participating in the fraud...for extra fees of course. I found so many examples I realized the major accounting firms are simply a part of corporate fraud.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:12 | Link to Comment chet
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Yeah, put up or shut up, wikileaks.  We're not interested in the "Look at Julian Assange!" show.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:42 | Link to Comment Pladizow
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I heard he raped the same two girls that Julian (did?)

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 19:10 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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It wouldn't shock anyone with half a corpus callosum if Assange is working for the government(s).

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 20:51 | Link to Comment unununium
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I don't care who he works for, as long as what he puts out is the truth.  That's a priceless commodity these days.

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 01:17 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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effing Bingo! We have a winner, folks.

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 04:28 | Link to Comment fredquimby
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Nah, it's the Federal Reserve he has info on in my opinion.....

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:37 | Link to Comment the not so migh...
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He should have just released the list anonymously.  

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:39 | Link to Comment TheGreatPonzi
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That's common sense, but apparently Assange seems to prefer press conferences and organized drama to his original mission.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Non Passaran
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You want a list? I can get you a list, believe me. There are ways, Dude.

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There already may be made-up lists circulating on P2P networks. Why should anyone care?

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:43 | Link to Comment ReallySparky
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I agree with you on that.  If they want to change the world, then send the stuff out to about a thousand blogs via hushmail and skip the tee vee cameras, the lawyers and bullshot. 

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 19:46 | Link to Comment Trimmed Hedge
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"If they want to change the world, then send the stuff out to about a thousand blogs via hushmail and skip the tee vee cameras, the lawyers and bullshot."

 

Or just "pull a Jared"....

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:07 | Link to Comment AnAnonymous
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He should have just released the list anonymously. 

 

But wouldnt people scream that releasing such a data without a source or something is unprofessional, libel or stuff?

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:40 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Now if he handed over a million account numbers hijacked from random wage slaves he would be slapped on the wrist and told never to do that again.

There are two justice systems in this world. None for the elites and (no) justice for all...for all the rest.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:09 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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SO TRUE!

I remember those laptops that where sold by the Bank of England which contained EVERY social security number, details and bank accounts.

2 weeks later, no more noise.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 19:02 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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What laptops?

See, it works. At least for those in control.

You on the other hand have some over due car taxes to be paid. You are invited to appear at the tax collectors office at 3 PM tomorrow or you will be "involuntarily induced" to attend. Don't forget your cash. We don't take checks from deadbeats such as yourself.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:48 | Link to Comment velobabe
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J U S T u s

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 22:14 | Link to Comment Fred Hayek
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And it's not easy for the elite always having to stay apart from us morlocks.  It takes great effort at times. 

We should have a benefit concert for them.  We'll call it "Apart-Aid".

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:43 | Link to Comment Cursive
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I have a confession to make. I used to laugh at the NWO And Bilderburger conspiracy types, but I now think they were onto something. Everyday brings more evidence that a banking oligarchy ruled the world. Ww must break it, or die trying.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:46 | Link to Comment Alcoholic Nativ...
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Yes, Yes, I like that idea, we must set up some kind of Global Regulatory System or we are finished.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:48 | Link to Comment ReeferMac
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Hats off to both of you, equally brilliant! +1 +1

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:10 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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Alu or paper? :)

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:37 | Link to Comment Precious
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Only $1909.36 on Amazon for the definitive book...  and you thought there was no sign of inflation yet.

http://tinyurl.com/The-Worlds-Banker

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 19:22 | Link to Comment Star Warrior
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I thought you were joking.......Ouch!!

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:53 | Link to Comment Cursive
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I'd be satisfied getting rid of the central bankers. Regulate your neighborhood. Competing currencies, precious metals and the like (though I'm mostly not a PM guy).

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:51 | Link to Comment velobabe
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i am an AM girl, morning--------> get it?

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 19:28 | Link to Comment Cursive
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For the ladies I'm 24/7. But if you want a BM in the AM, take Metamucil in the PM.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 21:50 | Link to Comment Emerald Floyd
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In europe, metric, that's about average.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:01 | Link to Comment samsara
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Cursive,   Copy/Paste these into a word doc and read them at your leisure over a brandy.   After completing them see what you think. 

Dates, Places, Documents, names....

 

The only thing new in the world is the history you don’t know.

Harry Truman

 Your history lesson of tonight.

 

 

The Silver Stealers: Part 1 - 6

 http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/01.11/silverstealers.html

 http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/01.11/silverstealers-2.html

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/01.11/silverstealers-3.html

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/01.11/silverstealers-4.html

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/01.11/silverstealers-5.html

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/01.11/silverstealers-6.html

 

 

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:05 | Link to Comment outamyeffinway
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Welcome to the club nutbag. Gaining sanity is not as easy as you think. Prepare for a life of hell!   :)

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:09 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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Yes the "die trying" part is what slows most of us down. None of us have any tranny balls.....baaaa. baaa. Sound of sheeple) but we may yet have our tunisian moment.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 20:52 | Link to Comment unununium
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How about you die trying, and I go back to playing Starcraft 2?

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:42 | Link to Comment lamont cranston
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Julius Baer? Any relation to Max Baer who played Jethro on "The Beverly Hillbillies"?

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:54 | Link to Comment sodbuster
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I hear they are both good at ciphers and goezinto's!

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:57 | Link to Comment Big Ben
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And the father, Jed Clampett, was certainly a "high net worth individual". Coincidence? I think not.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:08 | Link to Comment Sophist Economicus
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Who, might we add, was a secret Double Nought spy!!!!!

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:54 | Link to Comment velobabe
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Jethro, big feet, use to post and have an avatar here on zerohedge. he was kinda mean to me, though†

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 18:07 | Link to Comment Cheesy Bastard
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Julius Baer? Any relation to Max Baer who played Jethro on "The Beverly Hillbillies"?

They both got into hijinks because of gushing fluids.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 18:11 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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How about Elly May? She was pretty hot. 

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:42 | Link to Comment irishlink
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+!111 Will anything substantial ever, ever come out of wikileaks? I would so love to see some red faces among our so so perfect political elite. I'm sure Berlusconi is in there somewhere.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:47 | Link to Comment TheGreatPonzi
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That's precisely why Wikileaks is a scam.

Has something important ever been revealed by Wikileaks?

There is nothing disturbing in the Cablegate, nothing going really against the wills of the establishment.

The only thing important they ever disclosed was the collateral damage video, which still had no consequences.

If Wikileaks really wanted to do some damage on the elite, they have lots of possibilities. Assange could use his millions to corrupt a FED employee, for example.

The Bofa files brought hope, but we are still waiting for them.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:53 | Link to Comment Boilermaker
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Has something important ever been revealed by Wikileaks?

 

WTF?

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:47 | Link to Comment scatterbrains
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I suspect with wikileaks if you announce your intention to turn over docs you just get arrested. If you secretly pass docs. to Assange you end up suicided like a tree falling in the forest that no one hears.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 19:26 | Link to Comment Star Warrior
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Finally, I agree with the GreatPonzi!!

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 04:05 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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"Has something important ever been revealed by Wikileaks?"

JA:<taps mic>,

"is this thing on?"

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:44 | Link to Comment Arius
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thats a better outcome for him, considering the alternative of having an accident.

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 04:06 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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By 'accident'; you mean like a 'shart'?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiNZdTSH3-A

 

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:44 | Link to Comment ewmayer
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The Wikileaks/Julius-Baer story moves me to song – the original song lyrics here needed surprisingly little modification:

[Sung to the music of Tina Turner`s "Private Dancer"]

PRIVATE BANKER

Well the men come in these places
And the men are all the same
You don`t look at their faces
And you don`t ask their names
You don`t think of them as human
You don`t think of them at all
You keep your mind on the money
Keeping your eyes on the wall

[CHORUS]
I`m your private banker
A banker for money
I`ll do what you want me to do
I`m your private banker
A banker for money
And any old music will do

I want to make a million dollars
I want to live out by the sea
Have a husband and some children
And live entirely Tax-free
All the men come in these places
And the men are all the same
You don`t look at their faces
And you don`t ask their names

[CHORUS TWICE]

Euros, RMB or dollars
American express will do nicely - thank you
Let me loosen up your collar
Tell me do you want to see the shimmy again

[CHORUS]

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:58 | Link to Comment velobabe
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very nice little rhythm, floppy ears!

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:46 | Link to Comment DollarMenu
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Without the list being made public, how do the Swiss expect to prove that the list was indeed handed over to anyone?

One more suggestive gesture in this Wiki burlesque show.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:41 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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They're simply hoping Julian and the gang keep a lid on the list to protect the guy they've set up to take the fall should the list be made public...  it isn't much, but it's all they've got...

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:47 | Link to Comment bernorange
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If I understood correctly, wikileaks already has the data (else how could Baer be charged?).  It won't stop the info from coming out.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:54 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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So? It's just the next act in the Wikileaks circus.

This is political theater of the highest production.

Could this story get any more contrivied?

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 19:14 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Could this story get any more contrivied?

 

Of course it could. The "truthers" are already convinced that Assange works for Mossad. Soon they'll throw Bigfoot and his magic UFO that caused 9/11 into the mix.

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 01:47 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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Haha! I saw what you did there CA...

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:49 | Link to Comment Mike2756
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He just got a slap on the wrist!

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12231036

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:50 | Link to Comment Duffminster
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Wikileaks already has the documents from the Swiss whistle blower.   The FT says the Whistleblower dude was "fined".

Swiss court fines banking ‘whistleblower’ Wikileaks indicates that they will review the documents with the help of specialists and release them in the coming weeks from what I've been reading. A fine... hmmm?

Duffminster

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:50 | Link to Comment walcott
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wikileaks is crap.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 19:16 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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That's some in-depth, hard hitting analysis. Care to be more specific?

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:51 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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wikileaks has some shit on charlie sheen..........but nobody cares.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:54 | Link to Comment almost_have_a_name
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Everyone has shit on Charlie...

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 19:19 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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But Alex Jones said that Charlie Sheen's pretend interview with Obama about the pretend events of 9/11 was the most earth shaking event ever! Say it isn't so...

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:54 | Link to Comment Dr. Porkchop
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Hopefully some old photos of Denise. Let the truth be known...and shown!!!

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:51 | Link to Comment Boilermaker
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You haven't seen shit yet.  They will literally do anything to keep the fraud covered up.  Fear of citizens with pitchforks and torches sure is scary...those unwashed, ungrateful, undeserving bastards.

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 02:00 | Link to Comment GoinFawr
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Actually, I'd wager that Boilermaker is exactly right.

"Foreseeing some dismal Marxian Utopia as the alternative, the educated man prefers to keep things as they are. Possibly he does not like his fellow rich very much, but he supposes that even the vulgarest of them are less inimical to his pleasures, more his kind of people, than the poor, and that he had better stand by them. It is this fear of a supposedly dangerous mob that makes nearly all intelligent people conservative in their opinions." - Eric Blair (Unrelated to Anthony, AFAIK)

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:52 | Link to Comment irishlink
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As someone has pointed out already today. what is the disconnect between the s%p and the DJ today? I have rarely seen it as crazy as this.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Voodoo-economist
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IBM

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:56 | Link to Comment NotApplicable
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Hu's on first.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:56 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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I just try to remember that the DOW is really an Asian index, little to nothing to do with anything in the US.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:55 | Link to Comment irishlink
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 I mean S&P!  OOPS

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:55 | Link to Comment almost_have_a_name
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The drop is based on expications that the big O will enter into short term trade agreements with the big C. Looks like we are importing LED's and Potash. In exchange for what though...

 

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:58 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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Trade unemployed bankrupt middle class americans to China as slaves maybe?

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:00 | Link to Comment almost_have_a_name
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They have enough slaves. I would more technology exports, something like battery chemistry.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:03 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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I think we've already handed the Chinese any worthy technology we have long ago. You seen Chinas new fighter jet yet? Funny...looks just like our discontinued (due to budget cuts) F-22.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:57 | Link to Comment chubbar
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I'm in no way condoning tax evasion nor do I feel sorry for a bunch of high net worth fucks who get bagged for that offense. That being said, it's against swiss law to disclose banking data to anyone other than under a swiss court order.

I'm one of those U.S. citizens who has a swiss account. I didn't get one because I evade taxes. I have one because I don't like the idea that the various agencies of the U.S. gov't can freeze and confiscate my U.S. (and accounts in various U.S./OECD dominated countrys) account any time they feel like it and I can spend the rest of my life trying to get my case heard in court and money back, assuming the offense charged is even adjudicated in a court of law. Fuck that.

I am against the U.S. wiggling their fat ass into the swiss banking laws for the same reason I spend a bunch of time and effort to have funds out of the hands of the U.S. gov't.

The folks cheering this action probably don't realize that there are literally only a handful of places in the whole world they can go and be beyond the reach of the U.S. gov'ts power to seize their assets. I personally don't want to trade that option for a couple thousand tax evaders.

Of course the HIRE act has already done a pretty good job of scaring swiss banks away from U.S. citizen account holders. The noose tightens.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:12 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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Good point. I assume you agree that taxes are not just for little people and u pay yours too.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:22 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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Good point. I assume you agree that taxes are not just for little people and u pay yours too.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:22 | Link to Comment JP McManus
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Do you declare that you have control over a foreign bank account on your US taxes?  I always thought that was a massive red flag for tax audits.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 21:49 | Link to Comment chubbar
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Yes to both questions above. I don't cheat on my taxes and I make sure I declare the account. I'm not afraid of an audit, quit playing their game of being scared of an audit. That's what they want and how they get you to fall in line. Open a fucking overseas account, just to piss them off, take the fucking audit and make them spend money and time.

Why not, I'm not doing anything wrong other than pissing off the gov't by keeping my account out of their control. That is what they are after, in case it hasn't dawned on you,  complete control of your finances and life. Fight back!

P.S. I'm a "little people" too.

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 00:17 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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chubbar, you might still have a problem.

Say you lose a lawsuit (and so are forced to disclose a foreign account, or else...) or the IRS determines you owe them money.  One conversation might go like this:

.gov:       OK chubbar, give us the money!

chubbar:  Bite me!

.gov:       OK you are in contempt of court, you will stay in jail until we get the dough.

 

Check with your lawyer, as I do not even play one on TV!

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 11:27 | Link to Comment chubbar
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They can confiscate the assets here in the U.S. that they can find.

Assets held overseas can be protected by a non-duress clause that doesn't allow for a forced repatriation.

I would have to make a judgment call on what to do faced with the above situation (sneaking out of the country would be an option) but I don't see how I'm worse off than you because in the above situation "they" would already have all of your assets (assuming you don't have an overseas account).

One thing I wouldn't do is give the judge an opportunity to find me in contempt of court (possibly jailing me indefinitely) without having a plan to either comply or be out of the country.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 19:25 | Link to Comment Frenchroast
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So you battle your own gov't by transferring assets overseas? You're a sap! C'mon and join the fight on your own land, otherwise your piece of the action will be a chocolate bunny or a palm frond. Check the constitution and see what real money is supposed to be...

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 21:51 | Link to Comment chubbar
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See the comment above, Sap.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 16:57 | Link to Comment irishlink
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OH! I forgot huge weighting and results out today. Thanks

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:02 | Link to Comment irishlink
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Agreed. As a European citizen if you have a Swiss bank account ,they deduct the tax anyway to conform with the bilateral tax agreement. I just want to have access to my money on my terms, not worrying if this country freezes 50% of my deposits. 

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:02 | Link to Comment rack
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ricolaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:04 | Link to Comment Yancey Ward
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Must be Elmer Season.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 19:22 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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 That's just about my favorite WB short.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:06 | Link to Comment Sophist Economicus
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Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:07 | Link to Comment CountryYdsloth
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I told them SOB's to pull my money out of those accounts and move them to the Cayman's Baby!

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:07 | Link to Comment robertocarlos
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Arrested? He is already found guilty and is hanging from a rope in the town square.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:10 | Link to Comment israhole
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Yet not one banker has been arrested, years into the Greatest Depression.  Wikileaks is a psyop intended to justify control over the internet and discourage those that might act up in the future.  We're supposed to think "Just look how quickly they'll bust somebody, and even make up charges if necessary".

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 19:35 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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If that's true why haven't they busted you in order to scare people off? The "truthers" have posted terabytes of crap on line and nobody seems to give a damn.

 

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 04:56 | Link to Comment Arkadaba
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Proof?

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:13 | Link to Comment Segestan
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Assange like most westerners is naive ... just try that freedom of speech gig in China or a Moslem country.. the noose or gulag. Fools never learn.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 19:37 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Let me understand this. Western nations have a tradition of freedom of speech. Julian Assange has availed himself of that freedom. In some other nations there is very little freedom of speech. Therefore Julian Assange is a fool.

Did I get that right?

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 20:01 | Link to Comment Trimmed Hedge
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If Western nations have a tradition of freedom of speech, and some other nations have very little freedom of speech, then Julian is a fool.

Some Western nations do have a tradtion of freedom of speech, while some other nations have very little freedom.

Thus, Julian is a fool.

 

Care to join the list, listener?

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 20:11 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Pardon me, but how's that then?

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:15 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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everyone here that bashed wiki... deserves whats coming...

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 18:24 | Link to Comment Shylockracy
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My opinion as well. Those asking "what of any import has wikileaks published?" either have not bothered reading Wikileak's data, or cannot comprehend the enormous implications of what has already been published.

There is a third category also: paid disinformationalists.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 18:29 | Link to Comment Shylockracy
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New poster by the US Gov.

http://un.tumblr.com/post/2822418460

 

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 20:39 | Link to Comment sgt_doom
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Thanks be to Shylockracy, oh wise one!

A couple of cogent thoughts on this entire event.

First, Elmer most intelligently has retained the highly valuable services of Jack Blum, not only an outstanding attorney in these matters, but probably the foremost money laundering expert in the Western Hemisphere.

Blum is the Real Deal -- make no mistake on that point!

Also, Richard Nixon, certified crook, would never have EVER entertained the notion of arresting any whistleblower (sure, he transferred several -- but never even contemplated firing either of them) --- yet how many whistleblowers has OBAMA jailed to date, and is the process of attempting to jail?????

Holy Mother of Godzilla that clown is a certified NEOCON of the first order --- anyone who has yet to figure that out likewise is unable to sound remotely intelligible on the Subprime Meltdown Scam foisted, and still being foisted, on us by the banksters.

Everyone should now be aware that the Taliban is in control of most of Afghanistan as the military there (both US and NATO forces) have been killing everyone BUT the Taliban (that was apparent from reading all those Wikileaked SAR documents).

Everyone should now be aware that the collusion between the US government and Monsanto, BP, Royal Dutch/Shell, etc., etc., is proof positive of a thoroughly corrupted and non-sovereign government (from reading all those Wikileaked cables).

And no -- when anyone requests links (either those e-bots or paid douchebags from the Business Roundtable) they can all easily go to the various sites with the Wikileaked documents to read about it for themselves --- that type of psyop is no longer valid.

 

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 19:40 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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everyone here that bashed wiki... deserves whats coming...

 

This may be the first time that JW and I have been on the same page. Also, the dog is cute.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 22:26 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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dont mind me while I am stirring the pot... the dog is a mini schnauzer, white. which is outside of the breed standard, thusly he was a rescue. he is a big boy going on 3.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:16 | Link to Comment Sig Sauer
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i thought for sure they had him on a rape charge too

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:34 | Link to Comment Revolution_star...
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They do. Raping millionaires of ill gotten gains.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:16 | Link to Comment irishlink
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He might be a double agent! Maybe they are just brin ging him home. The Swiss need something on the US of A.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:31 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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Isnt it about time for our tunisian moment? Anybody have the tranny balls to start organizing for peaceful change in a rowdy european style way? Kprice1670@gmail.com. if ur wife is just as into porn as u are then the fbi got nuthin on you when they grab ur computer and of course make sure u are in full compliance with all batf and state laws on guns. That is the other way they try to get u. Hmm. That sks has its fixed clip pulled out. Gotcha!

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:33 | Link to Comment topcallingtroll
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A journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 00:23 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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come and take them!

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:35 | Link to Comment gwar5
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Well, they did say they would arrest him -- a bit like giving up private medical records.

But can't deny it'd delishousness to see the juicy bits on who has got secret stashes.

If the government did it the releases would be only of the other party. Wiki is agnostic.

 

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:40 | Link to Comment MrBoompi
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And here I thought lawlessness occurred only in the United States.  Laws preventing fraud and theft by bankers go uninvestigated and uniforced.  Laws exposing said fraud and theft are enforced.

 

What we have here is RICO on a scale never seen before.  In the past guillotines took care of this problem. 

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 20:45 | Link to Comment sgt_doom
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Ditto, and lest we so quickly forget, it was only back in December of 2011 that the US Congress, specifically the US Senate (largest whorehouse in the Western Hemisphere***) did have a unanimous voice vote (voice and unanimous so no record is made of what faux crats voted along with the R-Cons) to give a complete exemption to the bankster industry on their absolute fraud on that zombie robo-signing and illegal foreclosures (zombie as a number of those robo-signers turned out to be long-deceased former employees; and illegal foreclosures because none of them had the deed of title -- because when the same item [mortgage] is sold hundreds of times to different entities, holding on to such would be criminally implicating).

Thankfully Obama vetoed it -- the very one time he has acted like a democrat and an ethical human.

***(No insult or ill-will intended towards any sex workers --- I would never, ever insult them in such a manner --- their places of employment are called relaxation habitats.)

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 17:58 | Link to Comment Lady Heather...UNCLE
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I only just found out that the actor (Max Baer jr)who played Jethro (Beverley Hillbillies) was the son of the boxing champion (world heavyweight title in 1934) Max Baer sr

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 18:59 | Link to Comment Mike2756
Wed, 01/19/2011 - 19:42 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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Is he any relation to the silver bears?

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 18:22 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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Move over america there's a NEW ASSHOLE ON THE MAP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2XTuc6i1Uo

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 22:28 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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i guess i should have known you would be into old snl... come on over bro, anytime...

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 18:54 | Link to Comment americanspirit
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Shylockracy you are right on target. Anyone who imagines for a moment that all of the postings on ZH or any other influential anti-establishment website are legitimate and not the result of carefully calculated disinformation propagandists is either a fool or an idiot, or almost certainly both. Does anyone think that the same government/corporate interests that have spent decades and billions to sieze control of what used to be a free press would ignore the damage being done to their cause by ZH and others like ZH? Then besides the paid shills there are the mindless juveniles who love to get attention by yelling FUCK every chance they get. They are the same ones who will rush to turn in their neighbors and sign up as guards in the new concentration camps as soon as the cattle cars start rolling is the HOMELAND. I understand the impossibility of Tyler et al sorting out the moles from the genuine contributors but those of us who understand the game better get a lot more sophisticated about calling them out when we see them or its going to be cattlecars-R-Us.

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 08:44 | Link to Comment creviceCaress
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....american spirit says..

Does anyone think that the same government/corporate interests that have spent decades and billions to sieze control of what used to be a free press would ignore the damage being done to their cause by ZH and others like ZH?........

 

what kind of damage do you think is being done here?...rrrrrrrreally?

 

unless you.....and other 'enlightened ones here have some inside info on wiki and assange (other than open-source that is) ........yer holdin' shit.  if ANYONE thinks they can decypher the wikileak kaka from open source yer sorely mistaken.  yah it's fun to joust and i gots my own ideas.....which as of now sits in the BAU file under "festering poop" because i dont believe that a dewd can all of a sudden drop dime on all those in charge of the spectacle.......BUT, i dont know.  you don't know unless you've got inside intel other than open source and if you did ya wouldnt be sittin here hanging at ZH.

 

who benefits?  ya cant say right now can you?  this aint over til its over then it aint over.....you look like a tuba.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 19:13 | Link to Comment e_goldstein
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"the first rule of fight club is..."

you think the ex-banksta would have figured that out.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 21:36 | Link to Comment honestann
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Wait, I'm missing something.  When I read the story a few days ago, I said to myself, "Why announce he is going to hand over information before the fact?".  That's like asking to be stopped (or perhaps "bribed, big time"?).

So what happened?  Did he hand it over, or is that very helpful information forever lost now?

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 22:29 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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"Swiss police on Wednesday arrested former banker Rudolf Elmer on fresh charges of breaching Swiss bank secrecy law for giving data to WikiLeaks"

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 01:51 | Link to Comment honestann
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But did he hand over the information first?

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 09:23 | Link to Comment JW n FL
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************** "Jan 19 (Reuters) - Swiss police on Wednesday arrested former banker Rudolf Elmer on fresh charges of breaching Swiss bank secrecy law for giving data to WikiLeaks, hours after he was found guilty of another secrecy offense." ************************************************

 

Fri, 01/21/2011 - 01:57 | Link to Comment honestann
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So.  I'm supposed to assume that every time any government "arrests" someone or "charges" someone... that they "did what is claimed"?

I am amazed people cannot just give a "yes" or "no" answer.  That is, unless you don't know anything more than the quote you gave, in which case I'm looking for an answer from someone with more information.  For example, has anyone at wikileaks said "yes we have the information"?  That would be an improvement, for example.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 21:59 | Link to Comment serotonindumptruck
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Mr. Baer didn't understand the purpose behind WikiLeaks, mainly that it was an international espionage and psyops mission.

Julian Assange is NSA/Mossad/MI6.

Any information "released" by WikiLeaks must benefit those international players who organized, funded, and orchestrated such operations.

Any formerly high-ranking government or banking official who attempts to exact revenge by "blowing the whistle" through WikiLeaks will learn the same painful truth that Julius Baer has.

Cui bono?

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 22:21 | Link to Comment honestann
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Prove it.

Wed, 01/19/2011 - 22:44 | Link to Comment DollarMenu
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Well, I don't know what kind of proof will satisfy you,

and frankly, I don't care.

The only proof I needed was Assange's failure of the 9/11 litmus test.

Thu, 01/20/2011 - 02:32 | Link to Comment chindit13
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"The only proof I needed was Assange's failure of the 9/11 litmus test"

Wow, that's some "flawless" logic!

Since Assange does not have a monopoly on the spilling of secrets, whistleblowers are free to contact anyone they think might be sympathetic.  Since those on the truther bandwagon are well known, and many operate blogs and websites, you will have to add Tarpley, ae911, Alex Jones, and a host of others who have also failed the litmus test.  I guess everyone---except you---is CIA/Mossad/NSA/FSB/SPECTRE/CHAOS? 

Well, you've finally caught us. 

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