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Just Released: Julian Assange Op-Ed In The Australian

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Tue, 12/07/2010 - 10:32 | 785284 BobPaulson
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I wonder how much was spent on setting this guy up for the charges they pinned to him. At least now he's getting more press.

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 11:12 | 785434 Clayton Bigsby
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he's just lucky we got to him before he really pissed off someone like the russians - my money says they would have just vanished his ass and that would have been the end of it

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 11:27 | 785494 BobPaulson
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I think his big mistake was letting them make Wikileaks be about him. Perhaps that would have been hard to prevent but it seems the guy is foolishly enjoying the limelight.

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 12:38 | 785863 chumbawamba
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Or perhaps, after sitting around watching all the bullshit being thrown at us go unchallenged and hoping for someone to do what needs to be done, he grew tired of waiting and has decided to take it upon himself.

And not a whiff of gratitude for it.  For shame.

I am Chumbawamba.

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 12:53 | 785933 Cognitive Dissonance
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Nice to see you slumming around ZH again my friend.

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 13:05 | 785983 chumbawamba
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Thanks for holding down the fort, good friend.

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 18:09 | 787162 DaveyJones
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good to see you. well said as usual. History is just as much made of individuals as it is trends

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 13:09 | 785991 Real Estate Geek
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check the spelling of his name, CD.  IIRC, the original was chumbawUmba

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 13:46 | 786154 Cognitive Dissonance
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Nope, this is the one and only chumbawamba. I asked for a DNA sample and he peed in my hands to prove to me he's the real thing.

Brings new meaning to the term ZH golden shower. :>)

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 13:05 | 785985 piceridu
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well said

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 13:59 | 786211 Secunda
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  Good comment. The Press needs to do a better job of being skeptical and get back to good old-fashioned muck-raking.

  But I disagree a bit.

  There is a big difference between investigative reporting and stealing information. Assange has hurt at least one person: PFC Manning. That guy is facing decades in jail for answering Assange's tempting siren song to be an informant. Manning could have gone to the NYT, Der Speigel, or any one of a number of legitimate news outlets and had himself (as a source) protected somewhat. 

  If you had a letter to a lover stolen by the mail carrier and subsequently published in the local newspaper that your spouse read daily how would you feel? Violated? Ripped-off?

 

 

 

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 16:54 | 786760 hugomarch
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Well intentioned paragraph but now for the facts.  wikileaks has a full proof information submission system.  PFC Manning spilled the beans himself (bragged) in an online chat with a hacker-cum-informant. 

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 16:54 | 786761 hugomarch
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Well intentioned paragraph but now for the facts.  wikileaks has a full proof information submission system.  PFC Manning spilled the beans himself (bragged) in an online chat with a hacker-cum-informant. 

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 16:28 | 786731 hugomarch
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Wow - wikileak tweets down to a trickle.  It's a dark day for the spilling of classified information. 

Thu, 12/09/2010 - 10:34 | 792232 Z
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Try this on for size: http://cryptome.org/0001/assange-cpunks.htm

 

[edit: condom pun unintentional]

Wed, 12/08/2010 - 04:39 | 788207 Morbo
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A LOT I suspect! Consider though that they can find a 30-something hiding out for breaking a condom during a Swedish sexual interlude but "they" still can't find a guy needing continuous kidney dialysis  named Osama bin Laden... Ya gots ta have ya priorities dammit!

Fri, 08/19/2011 - 08:23 | 1576522 mediahuset
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Tue, 12/07/2010 - 10:32 | 785286 b_thunder
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But in mid-1990s the same Rupert Murdoch decided that in the race between truth and profits, profits win.

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 10:34 | 785292 LFMayor
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He didn't sell out man... he bought in! ;)

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 10:38 | 785304 goldfish1
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Hackers take down website of bank that froze WikiLeaks funds

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/12/hackers-website-bank-froz e-wikileaks-funds/

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 10:52 | 785358 Bob
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It's back up now, but this is only the first at-bat of the first inning.  This will not turn out well for TPTB, imo.  An entire generation or two have been primed by lifetimes of movies and video games to commit to this cause:

With the financial noose tightening around WikiLeaks even as a legal one tightens around its founder's neck, Operation Payback has effectively declared war on the organizations working to hobble WikiLeaks.

"In these modern times, Internet access is fast becoming a basic human right," the group says in a video posted to YouTube. "Just like any other basic human right, we believe it is wrong to infringe upon it."

 

GOOD LUCK SKYNET . . .

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 18:16 | 787169 DaveyJones
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been thinkin along those lines. The young, the ones the most screwed by these lies and theft, are the ultimate masters of these weapons and the new battlefield has little to do with caves, heroin, and desert 

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 10:52 | 785360 Duuude
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Lisbeth Salander

 

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 11:01 | 785401 Julia
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With this Operation Payback org, I don't think there will be any problem in getting the rest of the data out if anything happens to Julian.

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 11:15 | 785445 ajax
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I reiterate from an earlier post:

Here's a bit more from the Swiss end of this story:

http://genevalunch.com/blog/2010/12/06/wikileaks-founder-tells-world-hes...

Funny thing about CH Postfinance accounts: all illegal Brazilian and African "cabaret artistes" seem to get them easily enough as well as illegal Central American "mains-d'oeuvre" and Assange had one too in spite of that little exaggeration about 'living' in Geneve but now Postfinance has changed its mind about the most famous Australian on the planet...

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 10:54 | 785363 Accidental Farmer
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Just like Alan Greenspan - He used to be a strong defender of the gold standard. Look what that wrinkled turd turned in to.

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 10:34 | 785294 kridkrid
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I want to believe.  Cynicism has a slippery slope.

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 10:50 | 785354 Cognitive Dissonance
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Believing doesn't mean you must believe the entire meme. You can understand that the messenger is corrupt but the data is good. Or both are good. Or both are corrupt. There are many permutations to recognize.

The problem comes when we wish to have our explanations served up already chewed and easily digestible. Is you life uncomplicated? I doubt it. So why would the "truth" be simple and easy to understand. It's our expectations that are distorted, not reality or the method is delivery.

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 10:56 | 785372 Bob
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Bingo.  I can't understand why this notion amounts to rocket science for many . . . but I spose that's my expectations speaking.  It is what it is.

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 11:28 | 785499 ajax
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"It is what it is"? What the f--- does that mean exactly for anyone who doesn't spend their time in some burb in California? It is what it is which is a lazy unthinking person's excuse for not having to grow up and learn how to read and write and think for his/her self and take part in a community without which we are all doomed because quite simply no one is alone in any of this f---ing mess. Stockpiles of gold, beans, Evian water, bad grammar and solipsisms are really not all that helpful Mr. USA.   

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 11:41 | 785563 Bob
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LOL.

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 11:43 | 785566 Confused
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Wow. You ok? 

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 11:22 | 785470 kridkrid
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Yeah... I'm with you and I agree with you, but one permutation to recognize is, of course, that we are seeing exactly what we are supposed to see.  If that is the case, it doesn't really matter how much of it is true, no?

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 12:32 | 785836 Cognitive Dissonance
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...but one permutation to recognize is, of course, that we are seeing exactly what we are supposed to see.

This is the one constant truth in the world. And a great place to start. I don't mean believe nothing. Just that a critical eye must be applied both to what we're being told as well as who is delivering and the context.

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 11:31 | 785511 Max Hunter
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correct CD. This is why i'm very suspicious and will reserve my acceptance of these "leaks" until I see who they benefit..

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 12:27 | 785811 Z
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Best position at the moment.

Everything leading up to the endgame is just pretense.

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 12:08 | 785689 Drachma
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My questions would be:

1. What exactly did Assange reveal that we did not know from other sources already?

2. On what basis do people make the assumption that Assange's data hacks are not tainted with false 'secrets'. This is an age-old military tactic. Hasn't anyone ever heard of the phrases "War is deception." or "PsyOp"?

3. Has anyone honestly researched the background of this newly minted prophet of the people? Think, Anne Hamilton Byrne cult out of Melbourne Australia.

4. Why is my state-sponsored propaganda ministry called the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) spending an unusual amount of time on Assange, national security and the dangers of the Internet?

5. Why does it seem that a lot of the CIA-style spin in these data dumps gives Obama justification for continued invasions into Iran and Pakistan.

6. And then there is this headline out of the Atalantic, "Lebanese Newspaper Puiblishes U.S. Cables Not Found on Wikileaks". http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2010/12/lebanese-newspa...

There is just too much linear thinking when it comes to this guy Assange and it's being coddled along by the MSM. Hacked CIA = Hero of the People, or Hacked CIA = Enemy of the State. Let's keep everyone debating nonsense while the banksters take down your livelihood and gut what little remains of your rights and freedoms. Perfect distractions.

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 12:36 | 785853 Cognitive Dissonance
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There is just too much linear thinking when it comes to this guy Assange and it's being coddled along by the MSM.

The really good magician understands that the real "trick" of the magic trick is all in the mind. Present the meme to the subject in such a way that the subject will arrive at the "proper" conclusion. After all, we always believe ourselves when we've arrived at our own conclusions, right?

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 12:46 | 785902 Drachma
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But reality can't be that intricate and nuanced, could it? I thought we were living on the set of Mary Poppins. Please tell me it's not all a lie. How do I break the news to my children?

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 12:46 | 785899 blunderdog
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Perfect distractions.

Yeah, totally, WHATEVER you do, don't look at the cables.

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 14:07 | 786238 CrockettAlmanac.com
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What exactly did Assange reveal that we did not know from other sources already?

If that is true then you should be able to recite the entire contents of all cables including those that have not yet been released. Please begin.

 

On what basis do people make the assumption that Assange's data hacks are not tainted with false 'secrets'. This is an age-old military tactic. Hasn't anyone ever heard of the phrases "War is deception." or "PsyOp"?

As you claim to have previously known the content of the cables then you should already have an answer for this, right? Or were you lying about already knowing the entire contents of the cables?

 

Why does it seem that a lot of the CIA-style spin in these data dumps gives Obama justification for continued invasions into Iran and Pakistan.

Are you surprised that leaked US government documents present a US government viewpoint?

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 17:52 | 787118 Drachma
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I don't exactly understand your first statement. Yes my question is a true question, I am not making a statement of fact. If you have a definitive answer to the question I have asked I am willing to listen. Your second statement builds on the thought convulsions of the first. But to answer your last question, of course I am not suprised that leaked government documents, as you claim, present a US government viewpoint among other information. I hope that helps. Lets just see how much better Assange has made all of our lives. Funny though you should use the word 'leaked'. Don't forget to give credit where credit is due, they were not leaked remember, they were hacked by the master hacker hero Assange. All hail Assange!

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 19:30 | 787374 CrockettAlmanac.com
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How are my first and second questions "convoluted?" If you claim that everybody already knows what is in the leaked cables then you should be able to tell me what is in each and every one of them. Your claim of knowledge of the cables implies that that knowledge represents true facts and so you should be able to discern if the cables include disinformation.

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 10:35 | 785296 Mercury
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WikiLeaks coined a new type of journalism: scientific journalism. We work with other media outlets to bring people the news, but also to prove it is true. Scientific journalism allows you to read a news story, then to click online to see the original document it is based on. That way you can judge for yourself: Is the story true? Did the journalist report it accurately?

Are you fucking serious? You think you invented primary source citation?

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 10:41 | 785318 unwashedmass
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since no one does anything like that any more and it was just lying there abandonned on the side of the road, i don't see why not?

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 11:07 | 785420 Manbarepig
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+1

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 10:59 | 785393 Bob
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There is a qualitative difference in web-based sourcing, in that it actively enables the reader to instantly check original cited source material in whole.  It's a major advance. 

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 11:10 | 785427 redpill
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He doesn't just cite the source, he publishes the source, in it's entirety, and for immediate viewing online. Claims to inventing the practice might be a stretch, but regardless it's an important role.

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 12:21 | 785502 Mercury
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It's an important role/major advance to the extent that you consider it a "startling fact" that bears are using the woods as a bathroom - which is what most Wikileaks journalism has so far amounted to.

Tue, 12/07/2010 - 13:20 | 786038 Real Estate Geek
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+1 with respect to Wikileaks journalism, per se.  But considering the sorry state of MSM, which has devolved into nothing more than PR for TPTB, I'll take Wikileaks' journalism with a smile.

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