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Karl Denninger Sees Dow at 3,000 Next Year
Karl Denninger of Market Ticker thinks there is a secondary banking crisis around the corner that will trigger a cascading collapse in the stock market, and another government bailout. TARP 3 anyone? We could reach 3,000 in the Dow and 300 in the S&P 500.
This is one of many controversial and incendiary opinions about the state of the global financial markets Karl voiced to me in a wide ranging interview on Hedge Fund Radio. Karl says the idea that we are going back to an S&P 500 earnings of $105-$110 a share in the face of the soaring cost input factors is totally laughable.
Bernanke is making the same mistake we saw in 1933. The nightmare scenario for him is a coincident dollar and stock market selloff. The risk of hyperinflation will force him to back off on easy money. If the market goes up by 30% and the dollar devalues by 30%, then you haven’t made any money. When cost push pressures show up, corporate earnings are going to disappear. Companies like Kimberly Clark are reporting the largest raw material cost increases in history. Even Apple is seeing cost push problems.
“Foreclosure Gate” will be much worse than expected. There is upwards of $200 billion worth of exposure just on the “put back side”. The large banks also have second line exposure on their own balance sheets that is at least as big, if not bigger. In dollar terms, interest income has been good, but their spreads have been collapsing.
Banks problems may become impossible to hide in 3-6 months. They are passing around the losses trying to hide the truth. Banks made their earnings in the recent quarter by taking down reserves. Not providing for these risks is absolute fancy.
The 900 pound gorilla in the room is the second line problem, which is mostly concentrated in the top banks, including (BAC), (C ), (JPM), (WFC). Industry wide, only $1 trillion of $3.5 trillion in real estate losses has been realized, and at some point, someone is going to have to swallow. Wells Fargo is the most leveraged, could be the first to go, with $1 trillion in off balance sheet exposure, including all of the garbage they took in from Wachovia.
Are you wondering why financials have done so poorly this year? Investors are still laboring under the false premise that these firms are too big to fail and that the government won’t let anything bad happen to them. It is assumed that in the worst case, they will see flat earnings and no EPS growth for the next couple of years. Karl thinks that is incredibly naïve. The big pension funds that own most of these stocks are going to get hosed.
The majority of money has been made in the bond market. Karl hates to buy near a top.
Commodities are starting to look scary. The “softs” have delivered parabolic moves which never end well. Oil breaking through $100 could be the triggering event for the corporate margins crash which takes the stock market down. Break $87 and it’s off to the races. This will cause tremendous damage to the economy. Then bring in the “RISK OFF” trade, because everything will go down, starting sometime in 2011.
Until then, you can day trade, play in the futures market, and make plenty of money. Just keep everything on a tight leash. Stay away from positions that are hard to get out of. Dollar strength could be the key triggering event. Europe could also be another. And then there are potential black swan events, like state attorney generals halting the foreclosure process.
Karl believes the technology sector is very over extended. Apple (AAPL) is now 20% of PowerShares QQQ Trust (QQQQ). Apple’s success is attracting competition. Google Android sales have suddenly rocketed, a tectonic ship for the market. LG and Samsung are more attractive than Google (GOOG) or Apple, because they supply the processors and screens. Intel at $20 doesn’t look bad, especially if it breaks the 200 day moving average to the upside. In so many areas in the tech world he loves the companies but hates the prices.
Karl Denninger is the publisher of the daily blog, Market Ticker. He was the CEO and one of the founders of MCSNet, a Chicago area Internet and networking company which he sold in 1998. Since then, Karl has been a successful independent trader. In 2007, he started posting Market Ticker, a highly entertaining and prescient, if not irreverent daily blog. He also created TicketForum, an online trading forum. In 2008, Karl received the Reed Irvine Accuracy In Media Award for Grassroots Journalism for his coverage of the market meltdown. To learn more about Karl Denninger, you can visit his website at http://market-ticker.org/ . To listen to my lively interview with Karl on Hedge Fund Radio in full, please click here at (insert link to radio show).
To see the data, charts, and graphs that support this research piece, as well as more iconoclastic and out-of-consensus analysis, please visit me at www.madhedgefundtrader.com . There, you will find the conventional wisdom mercilessly flailed and tortured daily, and my last two years of research reports available for free. You can also listen to me on Hedge Fund Radio by clicking on “This Week on Hedge Fund Radio” in the upper right corner of my home page.
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You'll get no argument from me over the intent of the Federal Reserve.
But you overestimate the capacity of the Federal Reserve.
...Do not mess with Mr. Bond Market. It makes him ...angry.
I concur. There is no asset that is not on the fed's buy list, and why not? They are living my everday fantasy of unlimited means. The bubbles grow until they don't, and I think one of the phrases from Saving Private Ryan comes to mind when contemplating my reaction time to the implosion; "please lord, make me fast and accurate...."
don't mistake my selling for being bearish--i'm not...unless of course the market goes to 3000. you may then call me "genius who is running naked in the streets who is..."
Douchinger has been calling a Dow crash for 3 years
And during that time the Dow lost half it's value... So I guess he was on to something...
You're just jealous of his hair.
You don't consider a drop in the Dow from 14,000 to 6,600 a crash?
some MSM types would call it a computer glitch.
As much as I would like to see Denninger's scenario play out, it seems like there needs to be a bigger catalyst than the ones he lists for the Dow to get to 3,000.
Energy crisis in say 3 years?
...lost me with the first three words
Ahhhhyup.
This was the same clown calling for $500 gold a year ago.
Agreed. He is a permabear who has essentially been calling for a collapse ever since SPX bounced back to 875 in April of 2009.
Perma bear??? I think not. He actively has kept records of his market calls and TRADING CALLS. I bet over the past 12 months he has been more LONG than SHORT. And that has to do with the obvious moves of the FED. He has been long most of the year thanks to the PUMPING and PRIMING by the FED. but then again, what TRADER would not be?
Some of you jackasses out there need to actually read his stuff before commenting....ALL OF HIS STUFF.
Most readers here don't understand the bond market, and therefore can't see past the inflation argument. They think the Fed is the most powerful force in the game. It simply isn't.
The funny part is that they ridicule Denninger for trashing opposing theses, when that is exactly the nature of the mob rule here on ZH. Inflationist groupthink rules the playground here.
There sure is going to be lots of headscratching when rates rise. ".bb.bbut why would he raise rates when he's trying to create inflation?"
(shh... because he's not all powerful...)
ps: Take a look at the 10-year today. Heheheh. Denninger may well be right.
With the exception of QEII Announcement Day, Nov 3, rates on the 5, 10, and 30 year have been rising each and every day. Everyday Ms Jenny, everyday. Not a very propitious start.
Seeking alpha has a lot of his work... somethings are reasonable & things like this clearly are not
Is that 3000 ounces of popcorn or herschy bars or both.
Which way do we stampede today MHFT? :-)