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Kindling Finally Micturated On - Amazon Grace Expires As Stock Plummets

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Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:22 | 484281 NOTW777
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derek zoolander has a cough

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:24 | 484285 10044
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shorters are awarded big time

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:24 | 484286 firstdivision
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The day APPL misses estimates, there will be blood in the streets.  APPL's P/E couldn't take such a thing.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:30 | 484303 Scarecrow
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AAPL has a 15x forward P/E. The historical average forward P/E is 14.7x. 

AMZN forward P/E is 31x. I don't see your logic here. 

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:45 | 484332 homersimpson
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PE numbers aside (and one can argue PE is basically a worthless number nowadays), I think he's referring to the fact that AAPL is an HFT darling and if AAPL goes south, SKYNET will take down everyone else as well.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 17:35 | 484433 Scarecrow
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Ok, well then I can understand that, but comparing AMZN (low margin 51x ttm P/E retailer) to AAPL (high margin 22x ttm P/E tech company) is a bit of a stretch. The numbers aren't there. I've hated AMZN for a long time and hope this stock finally dies. I just don't see why anyone would pay 51x ttm EPS or 31x ftm EPS for a Wal-Mart/eBay hybrid. 

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 21:00 | 484763 Fred Hayek
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So . . the economy is completely reliant on idiots like this:



Fri, 07/23/2010 - 00:59 | 484976 BobPaulson
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Good link. I laughed until it hurt.

Fri, 07/23/2010 - 09:44 | 485166 firstdivision
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You are correct and I was incorrect.  I haven't looked at APPL P/E for awhile now.  The comparison is nothing to do with fundamentals.  Granted now that APPL has fabs, they have more value than AMZN by far. More of "just say'n".

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 19:09 | 484590 ZakuKommander
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True, but frankly it's not as if anyone should be surprised that Amazon's halo is fading.  When you're a typical American gadgeteer who must choose between the Kindle and the iPad, the latter captures the imagination, while the former is merely competent.  

Fri, 07/23/2010 - 09:48 | 485178 firstdivision
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That is apples vs oranges (like my comparison earlier).  A Kindle does what it is supposed to very well.  An iPad is a netbookwithout a keyboard, always has been targeted at netbooks.  I do not know when the iPad got converted to an eReader competitor.  If people are only using their iPad as an eReader, then they blew their money into the wind.  Kindles were created for e(books, magazines, and newspapers), not surfing the net and playing games. 

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:25 | 484287 HarryWanger
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Apple's time will come as well. iPad is definitely in the fad category and major competition has emerged for iphone. Margins will be impacted on costs and competition. Once that happens, expect a chart similar to this one.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 19:02 | 484605 ZakuKommander
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Thought so once, but not now.  I'm watching it catch on with friends who are non-techy, never cared much for computers, but carry it around religiously now.  And older people are finally finding something that computer-like but relatively transparent.  

Indeed, Apple's success is due in large part because its products are transparent, almost as easy to use as a garage door opener.   

And as to iPhone competition:



Fri, 07/23/2010 - 09:50 | 485182 firstdivision
Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:25 | 484288 Let them all fail
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well if they could only run a stress test on Amazon then everything would be OK!!

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 18:05 | 484502 Aductor
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Obviously this is the new business plan for Moodys et al - providing 'stress tests'. Same, same but different.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:26 | 484290 NOTW777
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maria will now interrupt AMZN coverage to pitch the plunge in gold

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:51 | 484352 NOTW777
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hilarious.  nasdaq drops from 5000 to 2000 but maria is worried about loss of momentum in gold.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:26 | 484291 Cognitive Dissonance
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"Derek Zoolander Center For Children Who Can't Read Kindle Good And Want To Learn To Go Long AMZN Stock"

I just placed this in my Office Word dictionary so I don't need to remember how to spell it as I steal it from Tyler. BTW, that chart's showing one hell of a drop. Ouch, that's gonna leave a mark.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:34 | 484312 NOTW777
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a tyler classic - cant stop laughing

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 18:46 | 484580 FEDbuster
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Waiting for the "Blue Steel" Kindle to take them to the next level.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 20:47 | 484748 Testicular Cancer
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Magnum Model

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:27 | 484292 RobD
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So I take it Amazon didn't do the revised eps shuffle like some of the others?

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:36 | 484319 Cognitive Dissonance
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They didn't do it quickly enough......obviously.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:27 | 484293 The Alarmist
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Gee, I was only a year ahead of things when I shorted it at 112.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:27 | 484296 Ragnarok
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There was a moment last night, when she was sandwiched between the two Finnish dwarves and the Maori tribesmen, where I thought, "Wow, I could really spend the rest of my life with this woman".

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 17:58 | 484481 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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I just laughed milk out my nose (and I hadn't even had any milk)

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:28 | 484299 almost_have_a_name
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This is what the public will see:

Amazon 2Q Profit Jumps 45 Percent: ABC News 


Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:36 | 484321 PC Load Letter
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Classic TD, thanks for the laugh


Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:39 | 484324 traderjoe
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Wow - what a drop. Perhaps now a slow burn until the stock becomes a busted growth stock/value play. 

Cramer liked Netflix too. Ouch. 

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:39 | 484325 plocequ1
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Can someone see what's going on with Microsoft? Theres quite a party going on.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:40 | 484327 Jason T
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Been short since Feb at 118 .. rode this pig to 151 for goodness sake.

Markets are dreadfully inefficient. Not covering yet..waiting for the real bloodbath in valuaitions to come.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:41 | 484329 Leo Kolivakis
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Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:58 | 484367 The Rock
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Why would I short AMZN when the economy is recovering Leo?  ;-)

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 17:34 | 484429 economicmorphine
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Uhhh, I think the chart was what some folks refer to as "supporting documentation."  Sure looks like a short on the chart, anyway.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 17:47 | 484463 The Rock
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Yes, but I thought shorting AMZN would be heresy to Leo.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 18:00 | 484488 Leo Kolivakis
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In the stock market, there are always winners and losers. This pig has to come down to earth.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:43 | 484333 Internet Tough Guy
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Harmless gasoline fight gone wrong?

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:45 | 484337 Misean
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I fell asleep in my chair reading the Stressless Test II:European Boogie Nights review...Wha Happ'n!?!?

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:51 | 484349 Pamela Anderson
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Is it just me or Cramer ads. began showing left and right at ZH with the legends: "Profit with Cramer!" and "Follow the expert"?

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 17:06 | 484379 The Rock
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It's not just you.  But you do know that ZH has nothing to do with the ads that are being placed by google right?

Btw, Cramer is the biggest POS DOUCHEBAG clown this world has ever seen.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 17:35 | 484434 economicmorphine
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That's not true.  You can specify which ads you don't want to run with Adwords.  It's easy.  That's how you keep your competition's ads off your site.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 17:50 | 484467 The Rock
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I just meant that ZH does not place the ads themselves.  Yes, you are correct that they can block it, but why would they even bother in this case?

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 17:04 | 484381 spyware-free
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Welcome to the wonderful world of ad bots. Brought to you by googleads.g.doubleclick.net.

It's amazing where your browser goes without most people knowing it.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 18:41 | 484574 New_Meat
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Pam--when the ZH part of your avatar is in ascendence, then on one side, when the beard, the other side.

But don't worry "there is no correlation".

- Ned

"when the moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars"  neh

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 16:50 | 484350 Waterfallsparkles
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Amzn is a Widows and Orphans Stock.  That means that anyone that Trades that stock ends up making their Wife an Children Widows an Orphans.


Thu, 07/22/2010 - 17:00 | 484373 Mercury
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This chart just reminded me of the chef on (old school) Sesame Street who, right after the just-perfect presentation of his baked goodies, would wipe out down the stairs:



Thu, 07/22/2010 - 17:01 | 484375 stoverny
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Don't own a Kindle (and have never seen a real life person reading one), but I still think AMZN is a great company.  I buy a ton of stuff from them simply because their price, selection, convenience, and service are almost always better than B&M stores.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 17:08 | 484386 ejmoosa
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I've been using the pc version on the laptop, and enjoy more than I expected.


What is more impressive is that there is no shipping expense on any ebooks, and they are sellong more ebooks than real books.  That has to be a big positive on the bottom line.

Thu, 07/22/2010 - 17:37 | 484437 economicmorphine
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What's even better is Project Gutenberg .  Thousands of ebooks, all free.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!