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Kyodo Reports Radiation At Fukushima Jumps To Twice Maximum Seen So Far

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As the public is concerned about a possible deterioration at Dai'ichi Reactor 2, which according to TEPCO is now in a worse condition than either Reactor One or Three, Kyodo reports that radiation twice the maximum seen so far detected at nuke plant Monday. We are currently looking for a real time μsievert update or online Geiger counter tracking at Fukushima, which would probably be the most useful service to a population that has been lied to repeatedly (it's all contained until someone actually checks) by the government over the past 48 hours. Additionally, AP reports that the 7th fleet has shifted positions to avoid possible fallout: "As a precaution, the U.S. said the carrier and other 7th Fleet ships involved in relief efforts had shifted to another area."


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Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:53 | 1050389 TWORIVER
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Worry lines forming...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:23 | 1050560 jus_lite_reading
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The Tokyo geiger counter has just jumped from 11.20 CPM at first, to 12.30 CPM which is where it has been most of the morning until just a little while ago above 13.08!!!




Mon, 03/14/2011 - 14:44 | 1051325 seek
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That's at or below normal background (here in AZ it's about 0.15 uSv/hr, or roughly 20 CPM.)

10X this would be more along the lines of evidence something is happening (in Tokyo.)

We already know the readings near the plant were reported to be (at least) 1000 uSv -- about 133,000 CPM. Readings like that would get my heart beating, but would still be 1/1000th the level where there would be immediately noticable (but not immediately life-threatening) biological effects.



Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:54 | 1050742 jus_lite_reading
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CNBC's Kudlow on Japan Quake - """ Be Grateful Human Toll Much Worse than Economic Toll."


IF HE DID THEN YOU KNOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 13:05 | 1050801 bingaling
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what a sick fuck -

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 13:45 | 1051007 Stranded Observer
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He sees that as a "green shoot" -- Kudlow is so wrong on everything, all the time.  Listening to him is about as helpful as taking advice from a pile of dogshit.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 16:42 | 1051916 jmc8888
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I remember his lame ass show used to come on during lunch (regular nbc) when I was in high school early-mid nineties.  He was as much an asshat idiot then as he is now.  But whoever pays his checks never noticed, and so on he goes spewing nonsense endlessly. A perfect fit for CNBS.


Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:53 | 1050396 Seasmoke
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that little island has BIG problems

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:58 | 1050429 oh_bama
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no it is not just a little island.


it is FUK-U-ISLAND. SHIMA mean island in japanese, and you know what FUK-U mean.. hehe



Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:16 | 1050522 Sudden Debt
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What are the odds you get NUKED TWICE in 60 YEARS!!??!!





Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:33 | 1050610 TeamAmerica
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Enlighten me.  What other event happened within the last 60 years? <smirks>

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:58 | 1050758 TeamAmerica
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And...people miss the point and junk me.  That's why I so love ZH.

1945 = 66 years ago.  Duh.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 14:55 | 1051387 MachoMan
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We know they're going to survive it even in the worst case scenario...  because there'll be reports of them popping up out of caves for the next hundred years thinking they're still at war with the allies...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:55 | 1050403 forexskin
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face saving, bitchez :(

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:57 | 1050422 Boilermaker
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It's just 'mild' radiation...nothing to worry about.  It's just the same of 1,000 biggie.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:58 | 1050430 High Plains Drifter
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Yep nothing to worry about here. Move along folks. This stuff will never come here. Sure it won't.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:03 | 1050456 Dr. Porkchop
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Less radiaton probably than Americans will get on a daily basis passing through the myriad body scanners installed in every nook and cranny of the public space.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:33 | 1050619 Don Birnam
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Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:07 | 1050481 ciscokid1
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Or a few trips through the TSA scanners.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:00 | 1050412 wandstrasse
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Geiger counter in Tokio, posted already by another member in a previous thread. 6-20 is 'normal' background radiation. measurement started some hrs ago at ca 11.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:06 | 1050467 Dabale arroz a ...
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Now at approx 13.3 ...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 14:46 | 1051335 slewie the pi-rat
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probly just a coupla refugeez from up north, heading for the airport...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:27 | 1050580 financeguru500
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Just so you know, most rad monitors require a regular atmosphere for startup otherwise the scan can be corrupted. (i.e. if you start up the geiger counter in a highly radioactive area, it could actually read that as normal with only increasing radiation reading as above normal)

Just a thought. I used to be in a military branch that carried rad monitors for our safety. We were trained to do the startup and function tests prior to arriving on scene so as the rad monitors would not be miscalculated.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:42 | 1050665 jus_lite_reading
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Now 13.04. We could see 20+ by closing bell, this should rally the markets and be considered a GREEN SHOOT to the good Mr. O'Neil! BEnron is so happy the spotlight is off of him!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:58 | 1050419 Sudden Debt
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Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:16 | 1050525 Rodent Freikorps
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Bullish for dentures and wigs. Man up, Belgie.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:57 | 1050421 Negro Primero
Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:59 | 1050423 THE DORK OF CORK
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Just watched NHK weather and although they mentioned the wind direction, they did not emphasize the importance of this.

At the moment the wind direction is positive - pushing any fallout into the Pacific.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:02 | 1050445 bob_dabolina
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Citizens of Hawaii might not agree with your rosey perception of the wind direction.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:06 | 1050475 THE DORK OF CORK
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Is a long way - similar to the width of the Atlantic I think.

Anything that pushes this stuff away from Japanese conurbations is positive in my view.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 14:51 | 1051364 slewie the pi-rat
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D o'K:  years ago, there was a huge fire in asia.  as i recall, it was in siberian forests or something like that.  i could see the haze and taste and smell the smoke from the mendocino coast, dude... 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 21:13 | 1052945 THE DORK OF CORK
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Embrace the radiation slewie and become as one with the universe.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:42 | 1050669 jus_lite_reading
Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:59 | 1050427 squexx
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Maybe some radioactive spiders in the area can be found. I've always wanted to have powers like Spiderman!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:29 | 1050600 Randall Cabot
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That's where Godzilla came from too. Or was it Gorgo?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:45 | 1050679 RonnieHonduras
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I knew it was only a matter of time before my Avatar became relevant.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 13:46 | 1051000 kaiserhoff
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  Time to copyright that somebitch;)

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:59 | 1050428 gordengeko
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Time, distance and shielding are the only protection.  Those iodine pills are short term, radiation will still penetrate your skin.  Just a little fyi there

God Help Them 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:03 | 1050451 High Plains Drifter
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There is no known antidote for radiation poisoning, nor is there any effective "treatment" for it. Once you got it, you got it and it will slowly destroy your body. It is the silent killer. God help them?  Yes, but also I am afraid it will come to parts of the United States. It is the gift that keeps on giving and never goes away. I have always been totally against nuclear power. The positives imho, have always been outweighed by the negatives, not to mention the problems they have with the nuclear waste byproducts, byproducts that are highly radioactive and have long half lives and are very dangerous to store and deal with.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:11 | 1050491 gordengeko
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Yes I'm aware of the dangers of radiation.  My point was they are passing these pills out like they are the panacea and it's bullshit.  These people are screwed and they are lying to them.  Yes, when I say God help them, I'm actually praying for their safety.  I'm more concerned with HAARP blowing up the new madrid fault line than to be worried about the friggin jetstream blowing that stuff this way.  FYI HAARP and New Mardrid FL are no joke and should be looked into.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:35 | 1050634 TheMerryPrankster
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aftershocks are a major concern - anything 7.0 or greater could produce another Tsunami. Chances are very good of having an aftershock of 1 magnitude less than the inital quake of 9.0 My math says that means an 8.0 is  a very real possibility.


If it occurs south of the original quake, Tokyo could have even more serious problems to deal with.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 14:57 | 1051394 slewie the pi-rat
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last night a front came thru here.  thunder started;  pretty neat stuff.  then, the thunder continued and continued.  they were seeding the clouds.  again.  who knows what "they" are using?  some sort of colloidal aluminum?

just too lazy to look it up.  sry.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:36 | 1050638 High Plains Drifter
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yes sir, i am well aware of the haarp program. When they start playing God with their toys, they will get burned and get us burned in the process. I have said it many times and i will say it again, most people have no idea of the kinds of people they are dealing with here. they have no souls. I am not worried about the fallout from this event since it appears it will not venture my way. We have already got a dose of the DU dust that came from Iraq having traveled the world and now a few years ago finally making its way to the big star. Depleted uranium is also the gift that keeps on giving. In its solid state is sort of ok to be around, but once you fire it and it ignites, look out and needless to say we have dumped tons of this stuff on iraq and in serbia and we have also used a island off of Puerto Rico as a gun range for firing this stuff, so that area is totally contaminated. Perhaps you have seen this on the news in the last few years as PR activist have been trying to get the navy from doing this by occupying the island and preventing their using it? No?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:51 | 1050720 gordengeko
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No souls is correct, looks like they set the ball in motion so I guess we will find out how this plays out. Best we can do is prepare and give jewels to those that can see them. The rest will have to live with their sarcastic mindset as they watch it all play out through their living room window. No haven't heard of the depleted uranium news. Thanks

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 13:11 | 1050825 High Plains Drifter
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This bunch will not give up so quietly. For 3000 years they have waited. This generation taste it. They want it. They want it now. They are close. But the pebble in the shoe is the white western european man. They must remove it and destroy it.  To kill a cancer one must cut it out and destroy it before it does the same to you. I am afraid, the cattle will never do this. They are gone following some cow with a bell on it's neck, as it walks off of a cliff somewhere in our collective memories.....

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 13:13 | 1050835 gordengeko
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and then the aliens invade LA...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 13:26 | 1050895 High Plains Drifter
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do you see any esoteric meanings in that movie?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 13:28 | 1050913 gordengeko
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I was being sarcastic.:)  I haven't seen it.  Can't be serious all of the time, my padded room doesn't allow for that.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:52 | 1050731 aheady
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I have a good friend that lives on Vieques (the other end) and she says it's so beautiful there that she doesn't care about the risk. Cheap real estate! She keeps asking me to come visit. I don't think so.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 13:59 | 1051084 Ident 7777 economy
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yes sir, i am well aware of the haarp program.

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I'll bet you aren't ... of the facts that is ...

For instance, do you what do they use for a power source (AC power supply)?

What portion (angle) of the sky can the planar phased-array antenna be steered or directed?

Anything substantive like that?

Of just the SciFi stuff hucksters make a buck off?



Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:11 | 1050501 geminiRX
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Your government has detonated many above ground nuclear tests in Nevada without many objections?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:29 | 1050591 High Plains Drifter
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Yes they have and many soldiers participated in these events and I bet many of them died from cancers too. Of course, they didn't know that during the events, they were unknowingly being observed as guinea pigs to see what would happen to soldiers in the field , while using tactical nukes such as the small nukes such as the davey crocket and the atomic shells fired from the 280 mm long tom cannons etc. at a range of 20 miles and for the davey crocket at a range of a few miles I think.....Oh well, radiation never ever goes away. Never. Once you open the genie, it stays out of the bottle forever......forever.....

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:34 | 1050617 MachoMan
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One of my elementary school teachers recalled her husband being offered to sign up for "tests" in exchange for getting out/going home sooner...  He opted for the tests and ended up in a trench, holding his hands over his face and claimed to have seen his bones through them when the bomb went off...  at any rate, he died of cancer.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:40 | 1050660 High Plains Drifter
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Yes they have many old videos of this stuff on youtube. Of course these men had no idea what they were getting into on this. Anyone with half a brain can see that they trusted in their government and thought that their government would never lie to them but it did. It did lie to them.  And they suffered for it too. Has anything changed? They are doing this today with chem trails and "accidental" bioweapon releases which cause weird diseases in humans, diseases which we never saw at the start of the 20th century. On and on it goes and it will never stop , unless we stop it. But they have destroyed our culture and our national hope now and this country for all intents and purposes is dead.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:36 | 1050641 geminiRX
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The fundamental truth is that everyone is in the process of dying - question is if you're living? Living in fear is a pretty shitty way to live.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:51 | 1050715 High Plains Drifter
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the word i preach is awareness. we must be aware. i myself do not preach fear. one must be aware before one can get a coaltion of the willing together in order to stop the things that are happening to us. awareness is the first step. there is no hatred in awareness. knowledge comes with awareness. it causes curiosity. it causes research. good citizenship requires constant vigelence. the founding fathers knew all of this quite well. but they also knew us as we know ourselves and to tell you the truth, many of them did not have much faith in us. because they were human too and they were learned men, while many of the people here in those days were not. so they were enlightened men and some of them did not care so much about us and some of them did. the things we have been taught about them are not really all that true, i am sorry to say. but with the advent of the internet in the early 90's what was meant for bad, perhaps can be made to work for us as good. it is the poor man's smithstonian. use it while you still can. the days are short for us now.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:44 | 1050674 TeamAmerica
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Never say never.   Radiation can persist for a long time, but NOT forever.   Please note the vibrant cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - the radiation has long since faded away there.   It all depends on exactly what gets released into the environment and where it lands.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:54 | 1050732 High Plains Drifter
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Isn't true though that they still have birth defects in those two areas, attributable to those unnecessary and barbarous war criminal acts by the United States?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 15:08 | 1051438 MachoMan
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My grandfather was in the military and would have been headed for the pacific had the bombs not been dropped.  I attribute my life to the fact the bombs were dropped.  Presuming the island never surrendered and the war continued to conventional fruition, I'm not sure more people (civilians) weren't saved from the bombs than died in the blast and ensuing results.  When faced with a maniacal and zealous opponent, what is the proper method to defeat him?  When the bombs were dropped, what was our understanding of the associated health risks (outside the immediate blast of course)?  A much more complicated issue than presented in your post...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 14:06 | 1051132 Ident 7777 economy
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Oh well, radiation never ever goes away. Never.

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Everything eventually 'decays' to the most basic form of energy: heat. Depending on the ;item' or elements, it might take a day or a bazillion days ...

Also, are you aware of naturally occurring radiation sources - like bananas?

K-40 (Potassium) is plentiful in bananas for instance ...

From: "Bananas Are Radioactive" :




Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:13 | 1050512 trav7777
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this is one major incident in the 40 year history of Japan's nuclear power program.  And it was caused by an Act of God that is simply off the scale, one of the strongest earthquakes ever recorded and a massive tsunami.

WTF do you idiots think a coal fired plant located at Fukushima would look like right now?  It'd be belching toxic fumes all over as it burnt to the ground.  It'd be a Bhopal.

Cut the fucking HYSTERIA

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:19 | 1050541 Rodent Freikorps
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Lightning strikes, the herd stampedes. Can't really stop it. Nature is weird.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:28 | 1050585 nonclaim
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I wonder how the armchair hysterics would perform if/once they are in the same situation... most, likely in a sane way. Humans are really strange beings.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:36 | 1050631 Rodent Freikorps
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I think the Japanese are handling this with far more dignity than current US citizens would. But they have a homogeneous society, and we have turned ours into one that more resembles a dropped mirror, than a melting pot.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 13:28 | 1050901 High Plains Drifter
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They also resist any attempts by the new world order to inflict upon them this thing called multiculturalism.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:19 | 1050544 geminiRX
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Thank you for adding a voice of reason/rationality to this thread.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:21 | 1050558 High Plains Drifter
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If it was coal fired , then they would put on filter mask and go clean it up. This cannot be cleaned up. It is permanent damage no?  Radiation is the gift that keeps on giving and never stops. This part of Japan will forever be unihabitable and this is for a country that has no spare land to give up. Now where do we send all of these people who can never go home?  Hmmm, let me think a minute.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:32 | 1050606 geminiRX
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Remember this gift the next time you need an MRI or other diagnostic test requiring isotopes....or when you need power for your ipad (which keeps the gas in your tank at cheaper prices).

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:42 | 1050672 High Plains Drifter
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Yes at the Ipad factories in china they have many health issues. But let us talk quietly about this. We don't want to wake the babies.  MRI's are like xrays. Dangerous as hell.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:52 | 1050727 geminiRX
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<Should likely end your life now before you need a lethal x-ray, angiogram, cardiac cath or MRI> 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:56 | 1050753 High Plains Drifter
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I try to use homeopathic remedies as much as possible. The game is to stay the hell away from them as much as you can. Of course use them as they try to use you but at the same time, per patient rights, demand what you can and what you want. And by all means do not get any unnecessary things . So much of what happens to our bodies is our own fault. God made these bodies and it says in His word that the days of a man are 129 years, that is after the great flood. Strange thing is that they do not understand why but they have found that human cells stop reproducing in the 129th year. Imagine that.  They are now trying to figure out how to subvert this for the Rothschilds etc, but it won't work......

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 15:13 | 1051464 geminiRX
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Homeopathic meds are just as dangerous. I have seen 3 people such as yourself poisoned in my 10 year career. I have yet to see a person regret the years of life added from therapeutic radiotherapy. God would say to stop micromanaging your life as He is the one in control over your fate

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 19:39 | 1052624 FilthyLucre
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>God would say to stop micromanaging your life as He is the one in control over your fate

MEGO - with idiocy like that who needs reason? I thought we were given free choice in your religion. How men continue to think we are the center of the universe when all evidence points to the contrary is beyond me. Physically we thought the universe revolved around us until the proof was so great that only a fool could continue to hold to what is patently absurd. Why do we mentally continue to deceive ourselves?

Doesn't a huge earthquake, the destruction, the randomness of the carnage wrecked give you pause for thought regarding your place in the scheme of things?




Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:32 | 1050607 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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I can picture Trav standing on the beach saying "Its an isolated event, no biggie" as a global killing comet hurtles to Earth and plows into the Pacific and a 1000 foot wave advances on him.


Maybe you should move to Hawaii and embrace your new glow, dude.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:44 | 1050680 High Plains Drifter
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Do you remember the 3 mile island skit from saturday night live, i believe circa around 1976?  

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 13:52 | 1051043 trav7777
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never fly a long-haul flight.

Never get an xray.  Don't expose yourself to that big nuclear fireball in the sky.

radiation's risks are overstated.  Those who die of cancer tend to do so late in life.

Fuck, substantially more people will be murdered by blacks in this country this year than will ever die of radiation from Fukushima.  Substantially more than that will die due to car crashes.  Even more will die due to medical complications or drug interactions

Again...CUT the hysteria.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were NUKED; they are currently inhabited.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 14:09 | 1051145 Ident 7777 economy
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Don't eat bananas either ...

K-40 source:



Mon, 03/14/2011 - 15:11 | 1051461 DaveyJones
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is murder by white people better than radiation? As you demonstrate, we all have our own hysteria Trav

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:27 | 1052793 MsCreant
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Rrrrriick-it! Rrrrrriiick-it!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:07 | 1050478 forexskin
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iodine pills just prevent the uptake of radio iodine into the thyroid, which is one of the prominent early poison risks. it does nothing to prevent cesium or strontium poisoning. ionizing radiation (gamma, alpha or beta) at a distance is less likely a problem - but mobile radioisotopes... watch out.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 11:59 | 1050432 alien-IQ
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the USD also seems to be experiencing a core meltdown.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:04 | 1050462 High Plains Drifter
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Yes and Blythe is singing the old Stones song, "Under my thumb"....too......the bitch......And everybody in the regulatory community looks the other way while they play their games....

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:01 | 1050433 Sudden Debt
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Does anybody know how long it will take before the radiation reaches the US through the jetstream?


Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:03 | 1050453 THE DORK OF CORK
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A explosion would have to push the particles to 30,000 feet or so - not likely....... I think ?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:48 | 1050696 TeamAmerica
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Correct.   Chernobyl was notable for extreme heat and an uncontained explosion that send the radioactive plume high into the atmosphere.   If the Japanese reactor containments burst there could be a steam explosion, but nothing likely to spread across the Pacific (that's actually bad news for Japan...their meltdown won't be exported).

I'm not saying it's impossible for detectable radiation to arrive in North America - just that it will take some sensitive instruments to detect such small traces.   No need for some of the hyperventilation going on here.   Save those iodine tablets for some other disaster.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:05 | 1050466 High Plains Drifter
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I am afraid, not long.......not long.....

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:08 | 1050479 Sudden Debt
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on the good side...


Radiation does kill germs and evil bacteria!


Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:25 | 1050574 High Plains Drifter
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Yes I know. They radiate all of my vege's and my orange juice so that all of dem wascally germs will be killed doncha know. My thanks to the jews over at Monsanto for helping me out on this problem.....We cattle appreciate all of the help we can get from the masters of our food.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:36 | 1050628 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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Whatever dude, I suppose its a world record for ZH that someone hasn't blamed the Jews for the nuclear problems in Japan yet.


can't we get thru one day without bringing in jewish slurs. One day?!?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 13:01 | 1050786 High Plains Drifter
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well you do understand who the monsanto family is and you do understand where the bee virus came from that is killing the bees of the world don't you? you do realize that food suppy is a weapon?   google is your friend. use it while you still can and think on these things. remember. the first step toward knowledge is to know who your enemy is and to know him as he knows himself and to also know where this all leads.  I could just remain silent on these  things but I refuse to do so. I will speak out as long as I can. HPD is a 3 percenter and proud of it.....

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 13:24 | 1050886 High Plains Drifter
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here is a nice video on monsanto by nathaneal kapner. Listen and listen well and learn to grow your own, or else I am afraid.

The trap is closing and fast with genetically modified foods etc. And this is no accident either. It is part of a global plan on control of foods. etc.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:01 | 1050435 surfsup
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-Realtime radiation data collected via the System for Prediction of Environment Emergency Dose Information(SPEEDI)


Been looking for readings all night long -- "under survey"   ...  Not so "speedi"


Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:00 | 1050438 FreeMoney Bernie
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Thanks for another glowing report

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:01 | 1050443 buzzsaw99
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It's all good, Buffett is buying some Lubrizol. How fitting.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:02 | 1050446 Cognitive Dissonance
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Just posted by the BBC.

H/T to Jim in MN

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:03 | 1050448 Sudden Debt
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Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:14 | 1050518 geminiRX
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Seems like your actually enjoying this (just as long as it's not you)

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:09 | 1050488 AN0NYM0US
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BBC hardly an unbiased source - Richard Black big time Gore Warming East Anglia type

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:13 | 1050514 Cognitive Dissonance
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Not sure what you are saying. Is the satellite picture faked or doctored? I added no commentary other than the source and link and the picture.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:17 | 1050537 Bob
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Yup, part of that anti-nuke crowd of chicken little types that everybody knows have no credibility. 

Wait a minute . . .

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:25 | 1050572 cranky-old-geezer
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That's steam plumes folks.  Not convinced they've got that reactor under control.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:51 | 1050717 TeamAmerica
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The Japanese have clearly said they are NOT in control.   Who's trying to convince you they are???

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:01 | 1050447 Sudden Debt
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Better go out 1 more time to get some minor poluted fresh air.

after this one...




Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:38 | 1050645 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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Dude, take a brown bag and breathe into it. You're getting a bit hysterical and crazed. Go to the bar. Drink. Drink again.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:02 | 1050450 truont
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Kyodo Reports Radiation At Fukushima Jumps To Twice Maximum Seen So Far

Maybe this is why:

Nuclear fuel rods fully exposed at [No 2] Japan reactor - Jiji

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:04 | 1050454 Testicular Cancer
Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:06 | 1050465 Azannoth
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Last week I wanted to go nuclear :) (buy some URRE etc.) boy am I happy I didn't

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:08 | 1050476 High Plains Drifter
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I think, suits or no suits, anyone who works around this stuff for any length of time is a dead man walking.......

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:51 | 1050614 MsCreant
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Me too. I was talking to my husband about this wondering how long you could actually work before the symptoms got in the way. If you know you are dying, well, as they said on the plane the passengers crashed during the events of 9-11, "let's roll." Nothing else to do and I imagine you would live intensely in the present until the end (unless terror overtook you, but I would hope not).

Edit: Why do folks junk and not explain themselves? I almost never junk any more. I'll explain it if I do.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:57 | 1050740 nonclaim
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you would live intensely in the present

We all should, all the time. Yet we choose not to...


The junkers are not worth one second or your thought; let them fade from your view.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 13:56 | 1051062 trav7777
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no we should not intensely live in the present as that precludes planning for the future.  A population intensely focused on the present yields societies like Africa

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 15:00 | 1051248 nonclaim
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Understand what I stated as living in the present as opposed to living in an illusion, whatever source it may be. Most people choose to live in at least some illusion as a source of comfort. It *is* comforting I should admit too.

"Planning for the future" is done in the present, being aware of current conditions and having current knowledge about cycles (weather, economic, etc; all collected over the past times).

If I had to point a mistake in "societies like Africa" [sic] it is not collecting, or not having conditions to collect, information about the present so that in the future they form an idea (then in the present) about their cycles and prepare for a future (from that future point in time).

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:27 | 1052799 MsCreant
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Nice posts. Love your avatar.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 20:30 | 1052806 MsCreant
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Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:56 | 1050748 thedrickster
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Agreed but on the "lets roll" front the story is complete and total bullshit. There were no cellphone calls placed at that altitude, impossible, though I suppose it is possible that "let's roll" was scribbled in chalk on the AMRAAM.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 14:18 | 1051199 High Plains Drifter
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I never junk anyone . Heck all people have their right to their beliefs and their opinions.  Its called free speech.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:09 | 1050483 william the bastard
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But what does Mohamed El-Erian say?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:11 | 1050485 plocequ1
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I dont know about you, But im buying one stock. Stock symbol GOD.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:19 | 1050551 falak pema
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Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:51 | 1050724 TheMerryPrankster
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I have read up on these, I was fascinated with abadoned structures for a while. England has  some old train tubes that they have blocked off under London, but of course they don't compare to these lighthouses.


Russia has some amazingly polluted places where people still live, unlike these lighthouses which are only a menace to birds and polar bears. Many times the human race has shown that their knowledge outpaces their wisdom by a considerable degree.


Perhaps this will finally focus attention on Thorium reactors of the liquid fluorine variety. Nothing is completely safe, not even pure oxygen, the best we can do is design well and embrace transparency in regulation and monitoring - all things we value, but our political and financial structures corrupt rapidly. Truly Lenin was correct when he said " a capitalist will sell you the rope to hang him with"


The corporations are killing us and we keep buying their shit to enable their malevolent chicanery.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 13:41 | 1050976 bingaling
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You arent even close to what we need . You have mixed up 2 things, corporatism and capitalism, they are not the same . It is the corporate structure which protects individuals that needs to be removed not capitalism . I will give an example , take Bernie the Billionaire he should of been charged with robbery from each individual he stole from and he should be in a prison with crack head liquor store robbers. Once you do that and prosecute the individuals correctly you then have to come up with a system which shares power equally not wealth because once everyone has equal power they can accumulate wealth as easily as a billionaire . 

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:11 | 1050489 trav7777
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twice maximum is still quite low, and far lower than would be seen in the event of primary containment failure.

we need actual evidence and actual measurements here

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:10 | 1050496 Sudden Debt
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why don't you have a look see?


I've heard plane tickets to Japan are pretty cheap right now :)


Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:16 | 1050521 trav7777
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if I thought I could help, I'd be on my way

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:22 | 1050557 Sudden Debt
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You can help the Virgin Japanese girls to NOT DIE AS A VIRGIN!





Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:27 | 1050583 cranky-old-geezer
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Yes, me too, in a heartbeat.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:39 | 1050646 MsCreant
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Wonder why you were junked? I feel the same way.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 13:56 | 1051071 trav7777
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was I?  I don't particularly care...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 15:04 | 1051432 MsCreant
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I don't care about the act of the junk, per se, it is the lack of willingness to say what it was they did not like about a comment. It strikes me as a mark of:

  • Having a position you cannot defend but have an emotional need to cling to.
  • Being reactive and unwilling to examine why.
  • Being a coward, scared you can't perform well in discussion.
  • Not having integrity.
  • Not being very smart.

I have been floored by some of the things getting junked on these threads. Folks are not just brain dead, they seem to be soul dead/compassion dead/love dead.

I can joke like a twit but this meltdown is bringing out something weird in folks. I'd like to hear from them.

I know... you don't care.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:19 | 1050550 InconvenientCou...
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"we need actual evidence and actual measurements here"

If we see grainy video of something resembling an eruption, that's the end game. Don't wait around for the Geiger counts. The Enterprise carrier group was moved away from the 100 mile ring. That's a grim sign.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:11 | 1050490 Sudden Debt
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Let's hope they can turn gold into lead because we'll need it...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:11 | 1050503 Silverhog
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So if it goes to three times the maximum, would that qualify as a dirty bomb?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:22 | 1050562 Sudden Debt
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how can it be dirty if it kills all the germs?


Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:15 | 1050515 Variance Doc
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JFC, it's like Homer Simpson was running the place.  Failure after failure after failure...

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:38 | 1050642 MsCreant
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Make sure you blame the planners, not the folks stuck in the plan right now. They built it to withstand a 7.9, not a 9.1 quake. The fuckers did it to save money. It is not the fault of who is running it now, it is their inheritance.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:42 | 1050664 Cindy_Dies_In_T...
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Well that, and the rather obvious tsunami after earthquake scenario didn't occur to them either, apparently.


Oh well, theres a 70% chance of at least a 7.0 earthquake in the next 3 days.

that probably won't help.


Mon, 03/14/2011 - 13:59 | 1051083 trav7777
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GFD, why don't we put you and the rest of the armchair hindsight QBs in charge?

You seem to have planned for EVERYTHING after the fact.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 13:01 | 1050779 Variance Doc
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Well, it appears that there were several "operator" mistakes.  For one, after the battery powered cooling system lost power, the "operators" trucked in mobile power generators, but they could not connect them to the plant because the couples from the generators to the plant were wrong.  That is apparently when thing started to go very wrong.

Another one is the release of the steam from cooling the core.  Apparently, the "operators" decided not to release the steam into the atmosphere, but to the space between the third containment and the building.  Thus, the temperature was still high enough for water molecules to “disassociate” into oxygen and hydrogen – an explosive mixture.

I think the MSM is making a very big and unwarrented deal about the situation.  However, don't be so quick to conclude that the "operators" are doing everything they can.  They F'd up some crucial steps.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 15:02 | 1051413 kinetik
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Why is operator in quotes in your post?

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 15:41 | 1051596 Variance Doc
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The operator in quotes is referring to "...who is running it now..." in the above post.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 15:39 | 1051598 Variance Doc
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Mon, 03/14/2011 - 13:54 | 1051048 tonyw
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Completely agree, the people stuck there now problably didn't have much input into the plans, especially since these are old reactors from many years ago.

Who on earth would build cities in the path of hurricanes and not make the sea walls strong enough and high enough and park all the school buses in a low lying area so they would be first to be underwater and useless for evacuating people!


Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:16 | 1050520 DNB-sore
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by now they should have had all safety-options used to get out of problems. The measurements show that there are breaches in the control and like I have blogged before every new item on this story shows that all cooling systems have gone. This is not a problem if reaction has stopped.

-If the reaction in the cores have stopped there is only resudial heat to be restricted by cooling

-the hydrogen explosions show that there is a enormous cooling problem

-the first reactor explode shows a high oxygen to hydrogen rate that resulted in a snap-explosion while the second explosion shows flames and that means a high saturation of hydrogen compared to oxygen wich causes a slower but stronger explosion with a visible flame or fireball. This means the hydrogen problem was going on for a longer time for this reactor meaning saturation


My fear has not gone down unless they can state that if the complete face of the earth has disappeared they still can pump sea water to the core and that this was a number 1 feature on these reactors. I hope they didn't get cheap and did not order the leather seats

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 14:14 | 1051137 tonyw
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"...If the reaction in the cores have stopped there is only resudial heat to be restricted by cooling..."

When the earthquake struck the control rods were automatically triggered to shut down the reactor (as planned). This has the effect of quickly stopping the "main" reactions, it does not stop the "secondary" or decay reactions which continue to generate and put out heat for a long time. This secondary heat is considerable, running to Megawatts so it is not a trivial task that could be achieved by e.g. a garden hose or throwing a few buckets of water over the reactors.

If the water does not cover the fuel rods and hence cool them they will heat up and eventually melt. Providing they can keep pumping in lots of sea water then the situation will steadily improve. These reactors will never run again because of the sea water contamination.


On Friday morning my estimate was for costs of $100bn+ and 10,000 souls lost, but now i think that's an underestimate:-(

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:16 | 1050531 DNB-sore
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Get the F out of the region, I beg you

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:18 | 1050534 falak pema
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Where is that luminary IQ 145. I want to hear him now. What is his angle, he who thought then that the angle of the dangle of his fish rod told way in hell that those inner shells could melt down. Where are you maestro with your huge egg headed know all wizardry? Will this stay in TMI or move to Tchernobyl .... tell us all please.

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 14:25 | 1051221 VisualCSharp
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Good Lord, I've been wondering that very thing all day!

Mon, 03/14/2011 - 12:18 | 1050536 TruthInSunshine
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I don't know what a word of this means, but I posted it in the other thread, and I think it's relevant, so -

From AP:

Japan 'Chernobyl' feared
US nuclear experts have warned that pumping seawater to cool a quake-hit Japanese nuclear reactor is an “act of desperation” that could foreshadow a Chernobyl-like disaster, referring to the 1986 accident in Ukraine.


Peter Bradford, former member of the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC), said that if the cooling attempts failed, “at that point it’s a Chernobyl-like situation where you start dumping in sand and cement.”

Joseph Cirincione, the head of the Ploughshares Fund, told CNN that the presence of radioactive cesium in the atmosphere after the plant was vented indicated that a partial meltdown was under way.

“That told the operators that the fuel rods had been exposed, that the water level had dropped below the fuel rods and the fuel rods were starting to burn, releasing cesium,” he said.

The releases of iodine and cesium “imply some kind of core problem,” Thomas Cochran, a senior scientist in the nuclear program of the Natural Resources Defense Council, a private group in Washington, told The New York Times.


Paul Gunter of the US organization Beyond Nuclear told Fox News that the evacuation zone might be too small: “If that containment is lost... this will spread a tremendous amount of radioactivity, and it will then be borne on the weather.”

The NRC said it had sent two experts—experts in boiling water nuclear reactors who are part of a broader US aid team— to the disaster zone.

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