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Larry Summers: Use The Rising Market As An Indicator Of Our Success, But Ignore It When It Is Going Down Please

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Larry is asked on his view of the ever escalating war with Wall Street
and its implications: "If you do the right things for the fundamentals
and for soundness, over time markets tend to work out. And if you let
your policies be guided by day to day market movements, that's what
tends to be the problem.
If you ask yourself 'how did we get here?' one
central part of how we got there, one central part was all those people
who believed all those prices, believed all those credit spreads, who
let day to day market levels be their guide through 2006 through the early part of 2007." Wow, Larry - maybe Obama's speechwriter should tone down the constant reference to the "Dow Jones" in that case to highlight just what a great job the increasingly clueless president is doing.

As the administration's every TV appearance is predicated first and foremost by indicating just how high the market has "risen" in the past x minutes, hours, days, and months, Larry's statement that it is perfectly ok to use the market response when things are going ok, but to ignore it when its says the administration has fucked up beyond compare, is the supreme epitome of hypocrisy. Then again, with his imminent forced departure, we are confident he has other things to worry about.

Some more disclosure: it turns out the ban "memo" had been written just "after the first of the year, long before the events in Massachusetts." Presumably it was also written also long-after Geithner claimed in Congressional testimony, that prop trading was perfectly normal.

Also Larry Summers now apparently has a vendetta with Larry Kudlow. When asked if the economic team for President Obama is in disarray, Summers replies: "I guess I would suggest that his sources are probably about as good as his sources who were saying that given the imminent sale of NBC to Comcast, there is vast disarray in CNBC."

Well, uh, so it is true then?


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Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:16 | Link to Comment lsbumblebee
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Sounds like the Larrys are having a cat fight. You would think those two pampered pussies would have nothing to disagree about. 

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 12:25 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 01/22/2010 - 12:44 | Link to Comment SilverIsKing
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It's "heads I'm right, tails I'm not wrong."

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 14:11 | Link to Comment phaesed
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God... how can people still argue there is no global warming when summers are hotter and winters are colder.... extremes of one produce extremes of another.

Rain has now become acidic in some regions, but STILL there's no effect from Carbon. Christ, look over L.A. and tell me if you don't think shit goes up to the sky?

What about the increasing severity of Hurricanes in the Gulf area? Like that isn't a consequence of the large amounts of oil being withdrawn from the ground affecting the water temperature?

This argument is so funny because the people who argue against it only look one move forward. Seriously, consider a chain of events, not a single event. It's all chess people.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 23:59 | Link to Comment Clinteastwood
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This entire interview was carefully scripted from question to bullet point 1 then 2, then 3. It's disgusting. John Harwood is a propaganda tool of the administration.  Larry Summers would never agree to go on camera unless the political impact of his "interview" wasn't first carefully calculated. Things are really bad.

So try this for a change:


Things are so bad when I went in to McDonald's today and ordered a Big Mac, the guy asked me if I could afford to have fries with that.


Things are so bad Dick Cheney took his stockbroker hunting.


Things are so bad I started feeling suicidal.  So I phoned the suicide hotline......someone in Pakistan answered.  I told him I was feeling suicidal and he got all excited and asked me if I know how to drive a truck.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:16 | Link to Comment TraderMark
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If one listens to the railroads rather then "message" of a liquidity morphine filled market, or disjointed US economic reports massaged by years of politicial influence - you get a different story on the US economy.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:28 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 01/22/2010 - 12:47 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 01/22/2010 - 13:15 | Link to Comment Assetman
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Better yet... if you gave him an Alka-Seltzer after his steady stream of morning Diet Cokes, you would have one heck of an explosion.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 13:37 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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Today after being offered a mentos larry summers launched 30,000 feet into the air before banging his head on the underbelly of TWA flight 69. When questioned the CIA had no response but were seen ordering mentos through their security enhanced Iphones.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:28 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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"Supreme epitome?"  Now, I have seen some excesses on this blog, and that's OK, but this is going too far.  If something is the epitome, there is no other, and therefore no comparison.  So there can be no supreme epitome. 

On the plus side, those two words together make it sound like you're spitting.  Which is entirely appropriate for this situation.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:37 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:48 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 01/22/2010 - 13:14 | Link to Comment obewon
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This is a great site! Thanks, Tyler. (Yeah, I know, I'm late for the party!)

Larry Summers is the quintessential ego-maniac. He has never made a mistake in his entire life (if you doubt this, just ask him), and condemns anyone who has the slightest disagreement with him. On matters related to public policy and financial "reform", his decisions and recommendations over the past 15 years have done significant harm to the US economy. A few examples here:

- The driving force behind the repeal of Glass-Steagall

- "Strong" US dollar policy fiasco (Clinton Admin.) and “Bubble Creator”; his infamous speech in 1995 ("We cannot and will not accept any speed limit on American growth")

- Strangely, he was clueless about "what went wrong" during the meltdown in 2000

- Manipulation of gold and silver markets (Clinton Admin.)

- Manipulation of interest rates; go here for an interesting paper by Summers on "Gibson's Paradox":

- A total disaster during his tenure at Harvard; he singlehandedly ruined a great university, which has yet to recover its derivative losses from Summers strong recommendations

- Manipulation of all markets (Obama Admin: stocks, bonds, precious metals, currencies, etc.). Go here for an interesting read:


The man deserves a life sentence in jail!





Fri, 01/22/2010 - 13:50 | Link to Comment Hephasteus
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You're guides worked diligently and tirelessly to get you to the point where you could be led by this fine arrogant wrong stupid man and you go and shit on their breakfast. What can we do here. You're just going to have to redouble you effort to learn how to get along with this becuase the universe is intent on having all the sociopathic lying manipulative piece of crap abusive people in charge.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 21:46 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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By the way you are a piss-poor guesser.  I hope you're not in the financial business.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:54 | Link to Comment IE
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I agree - 110% ...  ;-)

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:29 | Link to Comment ChickenTeriyakiBoy
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There once was a man named Larry,

Who gave prophecies to Barry,

Repealed Glass-Steagall

Looked at price of silv'eagle

And gave the bill back, now it's scary

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:31 | Link to Comment digalert
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Arrogant ignorant slob.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:32 | Link to Comment Oso
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Larry Summers - thy name is R-tard.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:34 | Link to Comment Jim in MN
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By the way Tyler, Naked Capitalism this morning has an original and very hard-hitting analysis of the AIG CDOs, Maiden Lane III, and related discussion of the Fed coverup in progress.  Worthy of highlighting here?


Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:40 | Link to Comment Bearish Spirits
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Unfortunately, both sides of the political spectrum are playing the "stock market indicator" game.  The administration refers to the movements of the market when it goes up and right-wing mouthpieces refer to market movements whenever there's a dip.  Both are playing the propaganda game.

Limbaugh will often track the market on down days and blame the fall on Obama's policies.  Up days will pass without a mention of the market.  Glenn Beck actually tried to draw an inverse correlation between Obama's approval rating and the performance of the S&P 500 on Wednesday's show.  I couldn't believe it was the same guy who did the segments on the Fed monetizing debt. 

We keep hearing that corporate taxes should be lowered to stimulate job growth, but I haven't heard a word in the MSM about how taxes have already been lowered.  ZH had an illustration of the cratering in business tax withholdings a couple months ago.  Homebuilders, Intel, Alcoa, GE, and other large companies have benefited from tax breaks in the last two quarters which allowed them to beat low earnings estimates.  Many of these companies are still laying off people to keep their earnings above estimates.  Why don't we hear about the large bonuses Intel is paying out AFTER they sent so many people to the unemployment line?

We already know about much of the BS from the left, but it's been awfully interesting to watch Fox News play defense for the banks this week.  If either side sees an opportunity to exploit a weakness of the other, it will be taken.  I pay attention to the MSM for info and roll my eyes at the spin.


Fri, 01/22/2010 - 13:18 | Link to Comment Master Bates
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You disagreed with right wing zealots, which is why one of their flunkies flagged your post as junk.  When I think of people who believe in the Republican talking points, I just imagine them plugging their ears and going "nananana" the whole time Bush was president, but finding fault with everything Obama did the day he was elected. 
Another interesting point is that these pundits blamed Clinton for every bad thing that happened during the Bush years, but now they say "isn't it time we stop bashing Bush and blame the man who's in the White House now?"

Blatant hypocrisy.  To list it all, I could go on for days.

With that said, when will people learn that the markets' recent action have nothing to do with the day to day news.
The bounce since March was predicated on extremely oversold technicals and a correction from the violent and vicious drop that the market took before.
Now, the drop in the market results from the culmination of a rising wedge on the charts that has been forming for months now.  I even predicted this week's fall to one of my friends last Friday.  NOW she believes me...

Still, to suggest that the day to day fluctuations and even longer term trends relies on news is totally BS.  While there is some correlation between the markets and the fundamentals, news is something else altogether.
There has been bad news throughout much of the rally, but NOW all the sudden the news is making an impact?  I just don't buy it.

There are pure technical reasons for this pullback, just like there were pure technical reasons for the rally (and government interference to keep it going).

With all of that said, the people who watch and believe Faux News as if it's gospel are some of the slower people on the planet.  Fair and balanced my ass.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 15:11 | Link to Comment Bearish Spirits
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Good points, Bates.  And thanks for backing me up on the right to question both sides at the same time. 

Once the prevalence of technical influence on the markets during this rally became apparent(such as upward channels, preordained or not), I was able to eliminate a lot of day-to-day frustration over market performance in relation to the news. 

As for your comments about "Bush supporters," I know exactly what you mean.  Before the TARP fiasco and before I discovered outlets such as ZH, I was one of the hardcore "conservative Republicans" who made excuses for the wars and expenditures.  I still consider myself to be conservative, but not in the way mouthpieces attempt to define the term.

People need to question media figures.  It's irresponsible to say, "That host agrees with me on 'x' and 'y,' so what he has to say on 'z' must be so."  There is nothing wrong with paying attention to the media, but some people look to reporters or hosts as infallible.  That becomes dangerous.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:40 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 01/22/2010 - 12:45 | Link to Comment Miles Kendig
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Then send the bill to his survivors and scatter his ashes.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:42 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:44 | Link to Comment Gimp
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Summers is a self-righteous pig. Spent to much time in the ivory towers looking down on us peasants.

Now where is my Bob Marley Exodus album so I can pretend I am somewhere else.


Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:47 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:50 | Link to Comment A Man without Q...
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"You're not wrong Larry, you're just an asshole."

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:51 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
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Scum buckets like him have the president's ear. It's hopeless.

Sat, 01/23/2010 - 00:03 | Link to Comment Clinteastwood
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Scum buckets match this president's ear.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 11:55 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Fri, 01/22/2010 - 12:16 | Link to Comment Ripped Chunk
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Larry should go on "This Week" or "Meet the Press" this Sunday and avoid answering EVERY SINGLE FUCKING QUESTION. Like he did the last time he was on.

Somebody bury this useless tool please.


Fri, 01/22/2010 - 12:16 | Link to Comment deadhead
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Perhaps I should remind all that Larry Summers is "...the smartest guy in the room."

the headline on this post is in my top 10 for ZH.

I'm also reminded of the classic axiom, 'live by the sword, die by the sword.'


Fri, 01/22/2010 - 12:17 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Fri, 01/22/2010 - 12:23 | Link to Comment glenlloyd
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He isn't trustworthy and I don't believe a word he says. These new rules are a reaction to something more problematic, like federal debt issuance and the need to find buyers, otherwise why would it have been shelved for so long?

I'd like to see TTT and LS get walking papers but that wouldn't look good for the administration now would it.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 12:26 | Link to Comment Astute Investor
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Stock prices are outputs not inputs.  Stop asking what you need to do to make stock prices increase.  If you implement sound economic, fiscal and monetary policies, the equity markets will take care of themselves.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 12:33 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 01/22/2010 - 12:50 | Link to Comment BigBagHolder
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So... we're off ~4% and now the market is "down"?

Hmm... but gold is just "consolidating".

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 13:40 | Link to Comment lsbumblebee
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I've consulted with the usual experts who contribute the current dive in gold to such things as "the flight to the dollar safehaven".

They said that the reason gold is "consolidating" is because it's a solid. Con-solid-ating.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Anonymous
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Sat, 01/23/2010 - 00:33 | Link to Comment Clinteastwood
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When Obama promised "change," what he meant was that people of color would have the power for a change.  He had no idea that being president might involve work for all of the American people.  He knew absolutely nothing about banking, derivatives, or the Federal Reserve, and couldn't have cared less.  He wanted to ride on Air Force One.


I'm pretty tired of hearing how now he's going to get on the ball and change things so the economy will get better.  He has absolutely no idea about the economy. Unfortunately, political events have forced his nose into the middle of it.  Now he's trying to figure out if Summers or Volker have the right idea.  Unforunately for him, these guys are has beens and have no clue. Things will keep drifting, deteriorating, deleveraging. That's good. It's about time this whole fractional Federal Reserve house of cards debt comes crashing down.  Can you get your head around how far down we may have to go to get back to sound money? What was the Dow in 1972 when we went off the gold standard?  What was it in 1913?


Things are bad.  Things are so bad that if the bank returns your check marked "insufficient funds" you better call them and ask if the mean you or them.

The mafia is laying off judges.

Exxon Mobil is laying off congressmen.

Things are really bad, so........try this:

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 14:02 | Link to Comment frank
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Will the new regulations apply to FRAM, federal reserve asset management?

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 14:03 | Link to Comment Gimp
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Obama promised change but once he got into the White House he found out the President has limited power and the banksters hold all the cards.  Political inexperience for Mr Hope and Change. Seems like a nice guy.

Fri, 01/22/2010 - 14:07 | Link to Comment DavidC
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Larry Summers is one of the prime examples of how one can receive a first class 'education' and still be a first class idiot.

My Mother had no option when she was young but to leave school at the age of 14 - she displays more intelligence, insight and common sense than Summers, Rubin, Bernanke, Greenspan, Paulson et al.


Fri, 01/22/2010 - 14:07 | Link to Comment DavidC
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Larry Summers is one of the prime examples of how one can receive a first class 'education' and still be a first class idiot.

My Mother had no option when she was young but to leave school at the age of 14 - she displays more intelligence, insight and common sense than Summers, Rubin, Bernanke, Greenspan, Paulson et al.


Fri, 01/22/2010 - 14:23 | Link to Comment frank
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Funny that Summers is taking this stance. He must have missed this (probably feel asleep?):

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