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Latest Fukushima Headlines
The latest in the tragic story that just gets weirder by the minute.
- TEPCO's mishandling of info on nuclear crisis 'unacceptable': Edano
- Partial meltdown of fuel rods believed to be temporary: Edano
- Radioactive water from No. 2 reactor due to partial meltdown: Edano
- Contaminated water due to condensed steam, not reactor crack: Edano
And our personal favorite:
- Locals within 20-km evacuation zone asked not to return for now
As this whole farce has gone beyond the surreal, we are now actively waiting for a cartoon Mr. Burns to show up at any ongoing press conference and announce that Springfield Nuclear Power Plant has LBOed Fukushima with Discount Window financing, at a #Ref! EV/EBITDA considering 9501.JP will not see any positive cash flow for millennia, and is appointing Mr. Sparkle (aka Homer Simpson) chief safety inspector.
Source: Kyodo
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It was awesome!
There's nothing worse than a saggy diaper that leaks.
And unfortunately for all of us it takes this kind of surreal farce for us to realize that these are the only emergency responses the nuclear industry has.
That and pass the liability to a compliant state
My guess is that the liability was passed in advance. The liability WAS planned for.
I laughed! I cried! Easily the feel-good movie of the year! 3 thumbs up! :>D
This charade has gone on far too long.
The pooch has been officially screwed.
he pooch has been officially screwed.
Oh that it were so. The pooch is well along now and bearing twisted fruit. Get ready. This won't be pretty.
but it IS so, M_B. the funny-lookin guy is speaking the truth. that bothers, you, deeply. that is about as sad as you look here, really, with that avatar.
sad, but true.
I suggest you read what I wrote again, and think about it real hard.
Here let me translate what I wrote:
Translation: Not only do I agree with what he said, but I think the situation much worse.
I'm beginning to think you are not very smart, Mr. slewie.
Hit the big red OMFG button....again....
Possible Damage to Reactor Vessels Reported at Fukushima PlantFukushima, March 28 (Jiji Press)--The troubled nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture, northeastern Japan, may have suffered damage to the pressure vessels of its No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 reactors, its operator said Monday.
This is because the vessels are not yet filled up with water despite continued water pumping efforts, officials at Tokyo Electric Power Co. <9501> said at a news conference.
In addition, water contaminated with radioactive substances was found in the basement of the turbine buildings of the reactors, the officials said.
But the officials said details of how the situation is inside the vessels are not known.
The company has been trying to restore functions at the reactors' control rooms in order to obtain accurate data about levels of water and pressure inside the vessels.
(2011/03/28-09:09)
"But the officials said details of how the situation is inside the vessels are not known."
Fuck the details, like the Big Picture inside the reactors is known? Just admit it, waving hands in the air, crying uncontrollably, running away, screaming "We're all gonna die slow painful deaths." committing seppuku on national television, throwing small children off of the cliffs of Mount Fuji.
The only goddamned thing that they do know is that its fucked beyond any and all human comprehension and the best solution , next to suicide, might be a big fucking pile of rocks dumped on top and decorated with tons of razor wire.
Your sense of humor seems to be fading, sir.
The band is on the promenade deck and cocktails are served.
Problem?
This whole thing makes me feel like demonstrating the disappearing pencil trick. Solo.
You know that one Mr Black, I'm sure.
But I suppose it's worth sticking around to see how this turns out, even if it does feel like some kind of sick sadistic voyeurism. You just know it's going to be awfully messy. Wet work on a national, or even global scale.
I wonder if silver is anywhere near as good as lead at shielding? Might yet end up hammering kilo bars out into sheet. Heck, I've even got an anvil already.
I most assuredly do know that trick, Mr. Hertz.
Please do stay for the the show, though.
An awful lot of work has gone into it, though it may not seem so. Part of the trick you see. Just as one thinks all is lost, then one realizes that is the whole point. The fuckers want you to have that thought.
Illusion shattered. Time for cocktails and a hearty laugh.
Trust, Mr. Hertz. We shall live. Japanese notwithstanding.
Oh I know we'll 'live'; especially here in the Southern Hemisphere.
However I am cursed with an active imagination, empathy, and also a fondness for Asians in general, Japan, and particularly the lovely women. Radiation is such a horrible way to die.
It seems the potential for sadness in this world is infinite.
Ah well. But I have promises to keep, and miles to go before I sleep.
well, asswipe, you have re-certified yourself as as having the values of a sociopath, again!
in the 2.5 weeks since this fuker started, i have yet to hear THz concerned about his safety. you seem quite intelligent. and completely insane. surely, this is not the first time someone has said that to you. this is not an open ward, or some nuclear S&M game, ok?
trust me. you really do not belong here. be a big boy and go pretend to be interesting somewhere else, you viscious little cunt.
Hey, we were having a pleasant little commiseration there. No call to be offensive. I suspect you didn't quite get what we were talking about. What did I mean by the pencil trick solo for instance, and why?
Also, just once, nicely - I don't need 'protectors' thanks.
This is like being viciously attacked by a mentally deficient child, slewie. I want to hit you back, but it seems almost cowardly to do so.
Your accusations are so wildly baseless and disconnected from the truth that I am literally awed by them.
Anyone here who doubts me can browse my comment history under the tracking tab easily enough.
I freely invite any who wish to do so.
Aside from that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? :>D
Time to break out the Bar's Leak. This shit worked great when the radiator in my '89 Jeep Comanche cracked an end cap. No really, how could this be any dumber of an idea than what TEPCO has tried so far? :/
Fuckin A... Bar's Leak!
Get some JB Weld up in there too!
J-B Weld is some good shit too -- I always have some around! :D
fine ground pepper works a treat as well but in the end ya radiators still F#@cked
Sir, I have been mashing my thumb on the omfg button since 03/11 and all I get is a bunch of jumping jack characters who pop out of the dashboard each claiming that I am a fucking imbecile.... oh... yeah... and shut up they tell me.
Is this fucking button working?
Also, this situation appears to be deteriorating.
Is there another button?
Someone said hit the btfd button.
sir?
You and your buddy are supposed to turn your launch key at the same time!
he's demonstrably psychotic and quite ill for a long time, obviously. apparently, he "senses something real" here but his compulsivity precludes him slowing down and shutting tf up long enuf to have any true emotional connection with anything, which would certainly destroy "him" as he is here, anyhow. he seems to respond to some of the most rational, clear-tinking zero's on this page, and then just goes around the first corner, and then the next. he is not intersted in "hearing any feedback" just in pretending to be able to give it. so, we must say he deserves our pity. he has certainly earned it! go get some help. if you can, ok? there's nothing we can do for you, here. trust me.
this is a drag b/c it is no fun to punch away at someone who can not only not defend himself, but who has no "self" to defend. here's nobody home. ever. and it looks like it's been that way for a looong time. maybe tyler can help us here, i don't know. if i'm wrong, it sure wouldn't be the first time, but i'm rarely wrong about one person 5+ times in a row. this "man" needs serious help, and he will not get it, here. i think he needs to leave, and i can't say it any more clearly and forcefully than i already have. i don't know what else to say. i think, at this point, tyler and the staff need to take a pretty good look at this person and decide whether he belongs in fight club, or not. personally, i pity the fool, but if i never see or read him again, it'll be way too soon for me!
You, slewie:
1. Either have me confused with somebody else
2. Or you actually don't read my posts - not even the ones in which I've replied to you personally
3. Or your reading comprehension is very low
4. Or some combination of the the three.
Whatever the case may be, you should be embarassed.
Not one thing you have accused me of is true.
Really.
Read both rants again and see how generic they are. No specific complaints. Seems to me like it is boilerplate, with maybe a word or two inserted/changed to make it seem like it belongs on the site (using "Tyler", etc.). Why he is posting, I don't know. But I don't think it is because he has a specific problem with you.
Thank you, Richard. Perhaps you are right.
It's hard to make sense of what he is saying.
Stream of conciousness or Tourette's maybe?
I dunno.
Funny - I was going to use the Tourette's word but decided not to.
Hold on to your hat.
Next they'll be asking you what you really expected.
Then they'll be telling us to quit our whinning and to accept it like a man.
"because the vessels are not yet filled up with water despite continued water pumping efforts"
Bizarre. The people writing this shit don't seem to even read their own rubbish.
Since when has ANY pumping of water into the pressure vessels happened? Not since the backup batteries ran out way back on the 12th or 13th, and certainly not since the explosions. All the 'water pumping' going on has been to spray water from outside the buildings, onto the rubble in the hope some would trickle into the spent fuel pools. Or am I missing something obout those massively destroyed buildings in which nothing at all is going to be still working?
Maybe they are going to tell us they have discovered the secrets of nuclear fussion.
Of course, they're withholding data. They don't know wtf they're doing and htf they're going to do it, wtf to do next, and wtf they're going to eat and drink. With that said, I'm so distracted by Amy's Calistri's hat I don't know wtf I'm doing. I wish I could reach into the computer and place that thing correctly (the hat) on her head.
And I am praying for the people of Japan. My brother says it's a little late for that but I don't know what else to do other than make a donation when I find a reputable organization.
ShelterBox
http://shelterbox.org/
http://www.worldvision.org
ALL HAIL FISHBULB!!
Let me check - yup I was born in the dark and last night
The truth, and not to restore the cooling system which was maybe ruined in the explosion.
Hasn't anybody come to terms with this yet that after the explosions and bazillion degree heat that's melting control rods, neutron beams, whatthefuckever else no body's even dangering to venture, that there are no pumps left, no tubes remaining to carry cooling fluids, no mechanical machines to move rods, wires hooking up machines to the controls to manipulate them, no wires left that run between the instruments which have already melted to the gauges that have no power to measure the heat and radiation that have already fried everything into a monstrous puddle of shine in the dark unusable radioactive scrap goop.
It's over, folks.
The rest is a charade.
+ lol
Haw Reacto area ruk rike chop suey and Fry lice ruk on ground after to muk saki.
Youth haf a speeth impedimenth! :>D
Nice summary.
Anyone who's willing to argue the contrary is either a moron or an establishment whore.
Period.
dup. probably due to fission.
Hasn't anybody come to terms with this yet ...
All of this was suspected/expected by those who saw the explosions. But all anyone could say is I think, I expect, it looks like, etc. until facts were confirmed. I think that is what we are hearing now. As they actually confirm what we suspected, they have switched from saying I think to it is. Call it cya if you want to. I think it is just good science, to say something is fact only when you have determined that it is. Until then, all you can legitimately say is I think.
Apply this comment to the global central banking monetary theocracy and you have it all right there.
One of your best comments ever knukles
but it's temporary
Have a guess. Hark back to the hydrogen explosions and the massive shock wave. Anything in the reactor vessel would have received a massive jolt at the time. Maybe a bit of damage, maybe scrambled eggs.
New 6.1 mag quake off east coast of Japan...
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/Quakes/usc0002cqa.php
Who knows, but are they perhaps temporizing, anticipating some next 'event' that will justify a decision to do the concrete sarcophagus?
"Unexpected, increased radiation levels (caused by reasons 1,2,3...) leave us no choice but to protect public interests by bringing together equipment and resources to extinguish and bury the containments in the 6 reactors"?
Can the headlines be seen in advance? We'll find out...
I hope Cognitive Dissonance, WilliamBanzai7, TD or someone with pic posting privileges can repost this image, as I believe that it shows how senior management in this clusterfuck actually understands the reactors' function...maybe it needs some relabeling is all
http://www.boingboing.net/wok%20cutaway_1500%20pixels.jpg
Wok up! Wok up already!!
Condensed steam then created a 1-meter deep pool in Reactor 2 turbine room. Makes sense.
In the meantime, you can be one of the so-called "Fukushima 50" and earn $110 a day!
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/03/fukushima-fifty-myth-and-reality.html
Asahi Shimbun has a short article explaining the location of highly radioactive water, which apparently did not return to the reactor, but wound up in the basement of the turbine room. It should have gone into the large holding tank, which is empty. Apparently, the condenser sprang a leak through a cover that was left open for the purposes of using a temporary pump. This means that the fuel rods in the core have no water at all. So a meltdown in progress.
In Japanese, so the best translator is google chrome with translating plug-in:
http://www.asahi.com/national/update/0328/TKY201103280199.html?ref=rss
Totally unable to find any references to Simpson's meltdown cartoons online, but the spokespersons all look like the illegitimate offspring of Burns.
Those condensers were disabled 16 days ago ...
Earliest they came on line was last week, with power.
So with all the problems they have, someone was actually working on the turbine condensers !
Does any of this make sense ?
The "condensers" are passive. It's the main circulating pumps in the turbine/condenser halls that don't have power and aren't functioning. Apparently the quake or high temps or corrosion destroyed the electrical system in #2 (maybe in #1, 3, and 4 also).
My latest whizbang civil engineering solution:
http://oilgeology.blogspot.com/2011/03/broken-piping-andor-vessel-rupture-has.html
US Navy and Army Corps of Engineers will have to do it.
The condensers did their job, by directing flow into the holding tank, though there was some sort of access hatch that was apparently left open.(my guess is for inspection) Even if the hatch was closed, there would have been no way to return the water to the reactor core without power. So kind of a moot point.
Someone must have come along and said: "drop what you're doing and come over here to do this pronto" and whatever they were trying to do was forgotten.
TEPCO said that water wasn't in the turbine room the day before the workers got burned. They claimed surprise it was there.
If true, then something suddenly deposited the water there.
They didn't refer to when they found out about the similar pools of water re # 1 and #2, but the confirmation of those pools only occurred after discovery of the pool re #3. So perhaps all of the turbine water pools arrived suddenly, shortly before the workers were injured.
As an aside, when the news of electrical workers first came to light (I think the day before the news that they were burned), it was reported on CNBC that electrical workers had been killed trying to get the juice going.
Someone, something dumped a whole lot of water, if TEPCO is to be believed.
Maximum depth of radioactive water in each reactor:
Reactor 1: 40 centimeters (1.3 feet)
Reactor 2: 1 meter (3.28 feet)
Reactor 3: 1.5 meters (4.92 feet)
Reactor 4: 80 centimeters (2.62 feet)
as of March 26 their time.
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/03/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-reactors-2-4.html
Visual inspection? Measuring stick?
Best thing about this is it gives us an idea of the TEPCO bullshit to true figures ratio.
Their 'puddle' means anything from 1.3 to 4.9 feet deep. I'd have thought 'puddle' meant a pool not more than a couple of inches deep. So we should apply a multiplier of at least 10 and possibly up to 30 to all future TEPCO visual descriptions.
No, I'm not serious. I actually think they should all be shot.
The plot thickens. Water that's under very heavy pressure from intense heat will push through the condenser as steam. I imagine that any piping leading away from the reactor are one-way valves. So if the hatch popped due to having been jarred by the earthquake....
Um, has somebody found a Simpson's episode with a meltdown loaded to the web yet?
This means that the fuel rods in the core have no water at all. So a meltdown in progress.
Nnow I understand why they referred to A "TEMPORARY" partial meltdown, it's temporary until there is a complete FINAL meltdown which is just a matter of time
...aaaaaand cue the...AMERICAN robots?!? And since they're from MIT does that mean they will lie on command? "everything's safe, sir....no health risk...sir? Sir?"
http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201103260220.html
U.S. robots to help recovery efforts at crippled nuclear plantA U.S. robotics firm has sent four robots to Japan to help recovery efforts at the crippled Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant.
The robots sent by iRobot Corp. of Bedford, Massachusetts, are two PackBot models and two Warrior models.
The U.S. military has used the PackBot to detect explosives and conduct other missions in Afghanistan and other conflict zones.
iRobot, founded in 1990 by researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, is known for its Roomba home vacuum cleaner robot.
The Warrior is capable of carrying objects 100 kilograms or heavier, according to the company. Officials said the Warrior can work as a robot firefighter because it can transport fire hoses and other heavy equipment.
The missions of the robots at the Fukushima nuclear plant, which was hobbled by the Great East Japan Earthquake of March 11, have not been decided, according to the company.
But officials said they expect the robots will probably carry out monitoring activities and detection of hazardous materials.
The U.S. company has also sent six employees. Japanese engineers are expected to operate the robots under the instruction of those employees.
Because the US Company SIX employees will surely be in China or Korea, anywhere but Japan. Maybe they will be in Japan and will just get paid extra as they help the Japanese engineers futile effort at un-fucking this catastrophe.
un-fucking! A new word (in this context), I love it.
un-fucking real
The more high-tech the robot, the worse it is likely to fare when exposed to hard radiation.
I hope I'm wrong. I don't think I am.
what about NASA rovers/robots used on Mars and the moon? Can they handle it?
I think they used a russian moon rover model at Chernobyl (the Lunokhod rover) to do some cleaning on the rooftop of the plant. They needed to shovel rubbles back into the core hole for whatever reasons and they used one of those rover to push some rubbles into the hole. It did some clean up, but not nearly as much as what the so called "bio-robots" (humans) did because it failed after a moment (I really can't tell you how long it lasted, but it is not days)
So I don't know about Fukutshima, but my guess is that they will be useless.
edit: the post below (mandlebot) says it all. The remote control machines he is talking about are actualy the rovers model if I remember right.
Maybe. But these are I-robots or whatever. I doubt the circuits are hardened against radiation. Maybe they can shield the controls.
Before sending in the human "bio-robots" to clean up the radioactive debris of on the roof of Chernobyl's destroyed reactor #4, the Soviets attempted to use remote control machines, but their electrical systems were fried in a few hours. All I have to say is they better be filming when the iRobots go haywire because I think I'd like to see that . . .
Well, when you have so many free electrons getting shot about by your debris, how is an electronic device supposed to fare?
The bio robots were exposed to something like 120 Sv/hr up there, meaning they would have dropped literally flat dead even quicker than the mech robots.
Neutrons Bitches! Thanks for keeping it REEL!
Can you say BioRobots?
http://www.asahi.com/english/TKY201103260222.html
Can you say Karoshis?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karoshi
The robots will control one news cycle, and demonstrate why USA is #1.
Doubleplusgood.
steveo- how do we resolve the problem of the eggshell having a finite right boundary? It appears to stay within the egg we are going to have to discover time travel by mid-2013.
Great post!
Asian wires are quite on fukushima...Japan is desperately trying the hardest to keep the nuclear 'meltdown' out of the media. Where the f*** is the US atomic boys saying that Fukushima is the pacific version of Chernobyl times 100?
I guess until the wind blows a sh*load onto China and Russia...In the meantime Japan is content on poisoning it's own people
#uck... I was worried for a while. It was reported that radiation levels were 2,000,000 times normal levels.... It was only 100,000. <whew, that was close>
Don't worry. The Chinese and Russians can be counted on to withhold exposure data, same as the EPA.
True they are experts at it...
Major cover up going on. I wonder it's because so many officials have a ton of money on the nuclear money spinner i,e shares etc?
Most likely
It's because whether it's government or a huge corporation, there is an immutable law that says once any organization gets bigger than about 50 people, you are always guaranteed to eventually end up with a dumbfuck in charge of every department.
Well, "temporary" on what timeline?
Millenniums?
on a long enough time line . . .
Apart from my serious and honest empathy and prayers for the people of Japan... don't worry... the Market will be up tomorrow... nothing to worry about... until the heroin of QE2 ends...
Hey now he's been called the Jack Bauer of the crisis. 'Fix those reactors NOW! Damnit!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/8383430/Japan-earth...
The (Transportation) Telegraph emits a particularly virulent strain of statolatry. Statists like to compare themselves to rock stars. But the music they play is more like Lawrence Welk (with apologies to Lawrence Welk). Master dissembler Edano should be compared to Goebbels (with apologies to Goebbels).
Ten most common phrases uttered at Fukushima not lost in translation.
and number 11:
You say plutonium, I say uranium, let's call the whole thing off.
uh, did someone spill a bunch of mercury?
0. I am culturally a US citizen and the ten following behaviours shall prove it.
Yep, not lost in translation because it is enough to see them act.
"I forgot my boots again. Anybody got a plastic bag?"
"Hey I think it's glowing over there. Put the hose on it."
yes, well, of course the problem with any nuke is that the investment is designed to have a 40 or 50 year life. so, saying that today's technology is safe, of course this wasn't, it was 40 years old. it's "over regulated" and the gov't fault. just bogus.'
tell, me what kind of gov't and regulatory environment will we have in 40 years? impossible to know isn't it? so, the prudent thing to do is not build any 40 year life nukes. that is, not build any at all. ever. and decommision the ones we have now.
Great idea. And I'm glad to see another volunteer for turning the lights, heat, and air conditioning off. Please start by turning off your computer.
Dude, plenty of us here grew up without central heat and a/c. Its not the end of civilization.
Besides, as long as there is free Wifi and frappucinos at Starbucks all is well.
LOL.
The end game is clear to me: allow a moderate level of radiation into the environment, do a cheap ass encapsulation (the cost of doing it right is too astronomical) and call it good.
I've dealt with environmental clean-ups and the owners have a lot of leeway to fix the problem correctly or save the $$$ based on politics with the various agencies and regulators.
Imagine this 150 miles from San Francisco...right on the ocean...bernanke would have to do a QE-nuke, because Americans would not tolerate this shit. Now if the cost was a direct tax assessment to all Americans....everyone east of the Sierras would vote for the cheap-o fix and let the westerners live with a higher death rate.
The tough question: What color do you paint the giant bunker?
Easy, yellow and black like the radiation symbol. Better yet, make it one big radiation symbol . . .
Sure they would. You underestimate Boobus Americanus.
"I've dealt with environmental clean-ups and the owners have a lot of leeway to fix the problem correctly or save the $$$ based on politics with the various agencies and regulators."
And that is if a clean-up actually takes place.
You sir, are correct. The usual script is to spend what seems like an appropriate amount of money to "dress the window", and then when the public attention has turned to whatever new dog is wagging, "cleanup" fizzles.
I've seen it firsthand multiple times.
Boston Herald; Radioactive Rain in Mass.
Stay dry.
Radioactive Man will save us!
http://www.comicbookbin.com/battonlashnews003.html
Not planning on introducing an I-131 Dark Lager, are you Mr. Adams?
The market focus groups were more partial to the Sr-90 Ale.
How do I make a link to another webpage?
http://www.google.com/support/blogger/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=41379
How do I make a link to another webpage?
Just click on 'Disable rich-text' beneath the comment window, and follow the instructions at the above link.
@Sam Adams
For a guy who claims not to know how to post a link you did 99% of it right afaik!
Somehow you managed to post it as a quote, which isn't as trivial as it sounds. I highlighted the text in your quote box and pasted it into a new browser tab -- worked for me, so I'll paste your link here too:
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2011_0328radioactive_rain...
(but i had to recopy it from the new tab's window)
Another trick that you might find useful (if using Firefox) is to right click over a hyperlink that you want to copy>> copy link location -- then paste that into your comment. In crappy old IE7/8 you need to right click>> copy shortcut. I think that does the same sort of thing -- but it's so looooong since I used IE ...
Hope that helps you.
I'm not really up to speed on the finer details of running a propaganda campaign, but this seems like a good approach to managing the public during a catasrophe.
Basically, you make a bunch of contradictory statements, some of which are truthful... sort of... In so doing, you create uncertaintly amonst a group of people who are waiting to catch you in a lie, but they never will because the truth is mixed into the nonsense.
Is this technique documented anywhere?
Edward Bernays, Joe Goebbels, COINTELPRO, misinformation, disinformation
http://912communique.ning.com/profiles/blogs/propaganda-part-1-lies-liar...
Thanks for the info.
I think we can all agree that the people watching Dancing With The Stars are never going to know whats really happening in the world and they really aren't bothered by that fact. The kind of techniques you mention above are about stymying and demoralizing exactly the sort of people who frequent sites like this.
I remember one time during a famine in North Korea, the papers had a headline story telling the people to rejoice because Kim Jong Il had just played his first ever round of golf and had achieved nine hole-in-ones. Imagine hearing that from your government just before leaving the house to eat the bark off a tree.
It's hard to keep up the stamina on days like this. I think sites like ZH give a lot of the people the will to go on, besides critical information.
I was going to refrain from posting this bit of breaking news in deference to the people of Japan, but as gallows humor goes, it's particularly ironic:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sueddeutsche.de%2Fb5n381%2F3992523%2FMassenpanik-in-Oberhausen.html&sl=de&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8
"Deutschland sucht den Superstar" ~ "German Idol" autograph signing session ends in stampede, injuring 60-80 at Oberhausen shopping mall.
Who says the global populace isn't informed, engaged and focused on the important issues of today?
Who says the...populace isn't informed, engaged and focused on the important issues...?
April 15th is right around the corner. Don't forget to feed the monster! The foreign BIS master is waiting for the hand that feeds them. (along with the fed's regular installments)
Luke 20 (New American Standard Bible)
19The scribes...watched Him, and sent spies who pretended to be righteous, in order that they might catch Him in some statement, so that they could deliver Him to the rule and the authority of the governor.
21They questioned Him, saying, "Teacher, we know that You speak and teach correctly, and You are not partial to any, but teach the way of God in truth.
22"Is it lawful for us to pay taxes to Caesar, or not?"
23But He detected their trickery and said to them,
24"Show Me a denarius. Whose likeness and inscription does it have?" They said, "Caesar's."
25And He said to them, "Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."
26And they were unable to catch Him in a saying in the presence of the people; and being amazed at His answer, they became silent.
Gotta love it!
OTOH
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/8410482/Angela-Merkels-party-defeated-by-Greens-in-key-vote.html
Well, the nuclear issue and a few other things that may have given reason to German voters to try to choose something other than 'establishment' parties... BTW, no offense implied or intended to Germans - the AmIdol story just caught my eyes due to the frequent references to it here on ZH as the modern opiate for the masses.
Yea, 1 cup bullshit, 1 cup horseshit, 1 cup realshit, put in blender for 1 minute, then pour into pan and bake 3-4 hours on fools news. Rinse and repeat.
Honorable Japanese minister declare "no fry zone" near reactors.
Wonder what be cookin in the kuroshio?
Wow, more helicopter video from Sunday...fuming along nicely
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/27_26.html
Jim,
Two questions. First I may have missed this but you have either worked in this industry or simply have a background in nuclear physics, correct?
What is your take on the state of things? I read a bit here and over at TOD but there is a lot of hysterical noise about this being an "end times" type of event (at least for Northern Japan) versus a lot of statements that this is way overblown by people who may or may not have a vested interest in nuclear energy.
As an outsider, my view is that TEPCO has no handle on this situation and are simply bluffing their way through so as to save face and avoid a panic.
It seems to me that they need some help not only with controlling the plants but simple things like clearing the roads and marshalling equipment so that they can entomb or bury these reactors. The logistics around it are mind-boggling given that they will need lots of bodies with lots of protection, tools, equipment and resources.
I'd also appreciate your take on worst case scenarios. I don't think its the end of the world but I do worry that even the perception about the safety of Tokyo to Japanese products is likely to occur.
Or maybe it won't and maybe its not as big a deal as some would have you believe. But the fact that the MSM isn't focusing that much energy on what is, at the very least, a potentially sensational story makes me think otherwise.
I was a qualified Naval Nuke (unlike Jimmy Carter). Here is my take:
http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2011/03/worst-case-scenario.html
And now my life has changed in oh so many ways
My independence seems to vanish in the haze
--John Lennon, 'Help!'
The crisis management folks remain behind the curve, but there has to be more going on 'behind the curtain'...?
We've gone over this in detail other times recently...and since you may not see this reply I will keep it short: If long lived radioisotopes contaminate a wide area, that is your outcome to be feared. Hasn't happened yet, although they haven't even measured for plutonium and we have seen some very high cesium numbers outside of their evac zone already.
If the long lived stuff gets about 100 km to the southwest it enters the Kanto Plain, where Tokyo is, and their water supply is concentrated in the northern foothills there. That is in my mind the proximate, realistic disaster scenario. Still takes more than has happened yet. But the likelihood seems to be increasing rather than decreasing as the systems in the plant continue to be under a lot of stress and the people can't do much about it except water it, which helps a lot, but it's just so many hot spots each of which if uncooled turns into a major emitter in just hours.
I do not think a major injection of long lived radioisotopes into the jet stream is likely. Most likely route: large, smoky fire at one or more waste pools. It would need to be big and extended.
I'll repost this to a newer thread in case you don't see it...
Thanks for the footage Jim. It clearly shows steam still rising from reactor buildings 1 thru 4 - in some cases a lot of it.
My question is, does this steam contain radioactive material - and if so how dangerous is it? No one seems to be talking about this anymore.
This time last week it was considered a big deal when one or other of the reactor buildings periodically started belching steam and/or smoke. But now that the buildings are apparently constantly spewing stuff into the atmosphere no one in the MSM or blogoshpere seems to consider it worth mentioning. Is this the new normal?
A portion of the fission byproducts are given off as gas. Iodine and Xenon, in particular. Some of them are given off as smoke (fine particulates). The steam, which is coming out at an alarming clip, definitely has a bunch of Bad Stuff in it. It would be quite dangerous to use it as a sauna. The heavier stuff will swirl around in the wind and fall out nearby. The lighter stuff can make it up into the jet stream and go worldwide. How dangerous is it? Only measurement can tell. And we're not getting much info on that.
If the steam stops and smoke starts, that's not just a Bad Thing, it means things have just gone from Bad to Worse. It means the water is gone and the party is just getting started. The smoke is much worse than the steam, if it's fissile materials that are issuing the smoke.
For now, it's the new normal. Until it goes from Bad to Worse, which will definitely happen if they can't cool off ALL the messes.
Anne Coulter would disagree - alpha, beta, and gamma saunas are the Right Stuff for her!
Thanks for the information Tyler. Not sure how you do this but when things in the World settle down I hope you take some time off.
and take some courses in basic physics.
I'm sure Blankfein and Dimon are devising new and ingenious ways to profit from the misery of others
Goldman Squid & JPMorgue have each bought over 1000 CDS 'death insurance' contracts on TEPCO, through AIG, and when AIG can't pay the 7 trillion out, The Bernank & Timmy G will bailout AIG in order to allow them to pay Goldman Squid & JPMorgue 100% on the Yen.
Whoever posted this video in the other forum, I thank you. When you watch this documentary of the Chernobyl Battle that was waged you come away with a much better understanding of what "We" the whole world is facing here. After watching the entire documentary, I thought to myself what was the "Main Thing" in turning the tide of this war the Russian's were waging against this monster. Well the "one" and "only" thing that turned this from a World altering catastrophic event, into a managed disaster was, you guessed it. !
"PUMPING THE WATER OUT OF THE BASEMENT"...................................................
Sound familiar?
I would recommend everyone watch this video from beginning to end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiCXb1Nhd1o
And yes the Data on the RADNET is being Obfuscated, as I have monitored it very closely for the last week.
Pump it out to where? the ocean?
Avon,
I can tell by your post you did not watch the documentary...............................!
You know what also sounds familiar, the all of a sudden increase to the acceptable doses of radiation. View at 1:18:00. Hmmmmmm.....in a world of changing variables, you can always rely on the one thing that never changes - human nature.
Like I stated before when the Tepco Director was doing the cry of shame, that incident alone was enough to tell me this whole thing is one major cluster fuck and since then, how much more "truth" and/or mis-direction has been released since that time?
Tepco Weeps
The fact he was weeping in public and not behind closed doors in a conference room over lemongrass sake and cold soba amongst his higher ups tells a much, much worse story.
People such as he, who still have an ounce of empathy for humanity, weep because they know they have blood on their hands. The question is will this blood be contained to those Japanese countrymen and bukkake chasing expats living in the region, or will this shit eventually get to the point where it contaminates the already stricken world's food and water supplies?
2012 baby. 2012....
I have also been looking at radnet and hypothesize that the figures are not correct, moreover I believe the figures are invented.
As for the elevated iodine 131 levels in Massachusetts, why no figures - just a bland "no threat" to the proles?
Here's my take, and I'm a 32nd level Moonbat, so I don't want to hear any cries of, "shill" on this one. My record of lunacy, bunker-stocking, and anti fed rants stands on its own.
Why would the EPA record high numbers if they are downplaying this? And I mean 3-400 CPM high, not 75ish. It doesn't make sense. Also, I have EPA monitors directly west and east of me. My own geiger counter has been right in line with the numbers they are reporting. I did monitor the increases when they reported them. At this point, I think they're doing fine.
If as a rule, you don't trust the government, why would you rely on their numbers? Go buy your own damn meter and get your own numbers. Then, if they aren't reporting the real deal, you can let people know. Don't you think that with all of my fellow moonbats out there running our own monitors, that if the numbers were out of line we'd be hearing about it?
Common sense folks, it keeps you alive.
Well, either you're closing your eyes
To a situation you do now wish to acknowledge
Or you are not aware of the caliber of disaster indicated
By the presence of a reactor in your community.
Ya got trouble, my friend, right here,
I say, trouble right here in Fukushima City.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qam1fbQmA_s
Harry Hill played by Tyler Durden oF ZH.
Nice clip you fuckan douche.
by Buck Johnson
on Fri, 03/25/2011 - 18:59
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To be honest with you, I believe this weekend the Japanese govt. will not have this situation controlled. In fact I believe that once it's 100% verified (they know already, the've known since last week) that reactor 3 has broken through it's containment and the core is leaking, they will abandon the situation to think up another option. And during that time nobody will be sprying water and nobody will be keeping cool all 6 reactors. They will have to because it would have become to dangerous for the workers to be at the nuclear power plant, 10,000 times background radiation is what burned those workers who stepped into the water. There's a difference in going to die for your country in one swell swoop of action than waiting your turn and watching every 50 men and women coming out slowly losing their body functions and seeing what will happen to you the longer you stay not at the reactor but even in the area.
These men and women will break and run and no amount of bushido code or whatever can change that. And remember, the govt. over their is lying about how much the radiation is in the area, it has to be at least 2,000 times the yearly level. This is being irradiated at this concentration or more every second and every minute and every hour of the day they stay in the area. I wouldn't be surprise that all of them don't have radiation sickness right now.
I'll second and third that one. Exposure on a leg? Radiation is constant! So those people get burned. The Radiation in the AIR and surrounding area is still irradiating. ITS constant! Radiation doesn't take a vacation.
You know, all this TEPCO stuff has got me to thinking about the CERN??? people in Switzerland??? or wherever who are going to make teeny weeny BLACK HOLES, and teeny weeny amounts of ANTI-MATTER, and OH, BTW (which means By the Way), its all perfectly safe, and the Earth isn't going to blow up or anything, or dissappear down a Black Hole. The new rallying cry needs to be REMEMBER FUKISHIMA!!!
Squeeky Fromm, Girl Reporter
PLEASE stick to physics, not science fiction fantasy crap.
Nuclear reactors melt down, accelerators don't do anything that hasn't happened trillions of times from cosmic rays hitting the upper atmosphere. Actually, its a lot more than a trillion, but hopefully you get my point.
The first nuclear reactor built by Enrico Fermi almost melted down. You should be much more worried about Homer Simpson than 'mini-black holes'.
Check this out.
LHC (large hadron collider) webcam: http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html
on a long enough timeline, Partial meltdown of fuel rods goes to zero