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and its soo damn pretty...
The last lear post went over like a fart in church..
It is argued that the gold standard will never return as there simply isn't enough gold to back all the money that exists.
I'm really not a genius, just a good bit above average, but even I can understand a loaf of bread can cost 10c under a gold standard, depending on how you value the gold.
Audit Fort Knox at gun point if we have to immediately. Get the gold back in there at gunpoint if any is missing.
It is said that a man who farts in Church must sit in his own pew!
WTF are you doing ZH?
It's called profit, something this country has long forgotten.
No government government subsidies here.
I endorse, and will donate tomorrow.
Agreed. And the next post - not sponsored - refers back to this sponsored post.
ah...another sponsored post. at least this one didn't try to lure people into numismatics
Or pennies. Sleezebag Sykes.
Nothing new. Advertising dreck.
Guess I should have been tipped off by the 'Sponsored Post' warning at the top.
Anyone watching their NOB spreads tonight? ;)
Is it just me or did everyone already know why China was accumulating gold?
Yeah. I already filed this under: No shit Chet, no shit! :)
Nice that China is piling into gold. But reserve currency? Nope. Banking system is too opaque and their long-term stability is shit.
Great Leap Forward / Hundred Flowers / Cultural Revolution. Their respect for human life is shit; what makes you think their respect for your (gweilo / bakgwei) property rights is going to be any higher?
Maybe they see Gold itself at the future reserve currency? You know, in that interim period when people no longer trust the FED's dollars, or its' stealthily proposed replacement with SDR's?
Maybe China is just trying to prepare it's populace as best it can to avoid a complete rout of their own political structure when the hyperinflationary global depression begins to rear its fugly head in a way that will make us all much more miserable than we are now.
China's banking system is too "opaque", not nearly as much if not the same as the US. Not only is our's opaque, but we actually do things that scream hyperinflation or whatever to an economists and tell them that it's not. We are the supreme hypocrites in the US of opaque.
This isn't that 68 trillion dollar global settlement deal, is it?
does nobody see this article was submitted by zerohedge? why don't you think this is an anomoly? zerohedge over tyler durden. i mean do you not notice, these kind of things, people?
Gold has value for its intrinsic physical and chemical properties. Outside that, the perceived value, it does not mean much.
A mental exercise: If you are really hungry and *all* you have left is a gold coin, it may buy you a piece of stale bread and nothing else. Now, if you won't buy and eat it because it's "worth" $1400+, well, congratulate yourself: you are now a miser, at least in theory.
---I didn't elaborate the situation and there are many ways to sidestep it but that's beside the point as only you know your original answer/feeling. Be honest to yourself.
You might notice it's hard to eat Federal Reserve Notes, Yuan, seashells, and anything else that has ever been used as money or a unit of account. So, what's the point? You also can't eat your car, house, clothing or your neighbor. If you have a total economic collapse the relative value of all things changes depending on your situation. However, gold and silver have been used as money for all of recorded history and they translate across every continent, race and language. I can go to Uzbekistan and wave a gold coin and every knows what I want to do. They don't give a damn if there's an eagle, a panda or a maple leaf on it. It's an ounce of gold and we can do a deal.
I actually admire the Chinese who are being more honest with their population and making plans for the worst. If the worst doesn't happen they are well positioned and have a good investment. They are taking paper notes, including our currency and buying real stuff. We get the advantage of exporting some of our inflation but they may win by holding "stuff" instead of notes.
China's purpose is to be the center of the world, again. They plan to be the preeminent power which they have learned starts and ends with a strong economy and currency. I wish we had economic leadership that gave a damn about the American people. We have already spent ourselves into oblivion and are continuing to do so. The only question is when the bill will come due and when the accounts will be balanced. China is betting it won't be long as they hold substantial amounts of our notes.
A little unnerving is it not to think the Chinese may be getting better and more honest economic advice from their leaders than we in the US get?
Strange days we live in.
You could eat your neighbor.
What's the intrinsic value of a federal reserve note?
Consider instead the marginal utility of only half a wheelbarrow of paper.
"It is argued that the gold standard will never return as there simply isn't enough gold to back all the money that exists."
Thats a bunch of Keynesian nonsense. The amount of currency outstanding can be any amount you just adjust the ratio of paper to gold.
B...b...b...but you can't expand the money supply to keep up with economic growth!1!one! If that happenend then the value of gold would rise and create larger real interest rates and deflation!! omg! Just let our smarter leaders handle the money supply. Nothing can go wrong there unless unions or glenn beck screw it up!
Shouldn't one do what one's master does?
The overbought warning was there for some time.
Gold charts at blog.
Is the U.S. making any plans to back the dollar with gold or silver or are we just going to back it with toxic mortgages via QE 3?
The dollar is toast. BUT the Amero is MADE of silver.
Chinese are sneaking gold by buying mines and making redemptions out of GLD for physical which go unnoticed on the market. Keeps the price low.
Alisdair Macleod speculates China may already be sitting on over 20,000 tonnes. Yes, 20K tonnes. I know it's a stretch, but he has his reasons.
China has coveted gold and silver for centuries and used them for exchange and jewelry.
Centuries of centralized Dynasties drew the riches and gold to the center and capital
Marco Polo remarked in his journals 800 years ago there was so much gold in China you had to see it to believe it.
Kubla Khan conquered China and also accumulated gold and silver when he expanded the empire. Khan issued paper currency backed by the centrally stored gold
China has never destroyed it's gold, nor has China been looted.
Chairman Mao confiscated all private property. Just one month of raids in 1966 by the Red Guard in Beijing netted 5.7 tons gold & 18 tons of silver.
Macleod speculates centuries and tonnes of gold still remain in China and says it's ridiculous to think they only have 1-2000 tonnes. He wonders how that figure could accurately be determined from a closed society anyway.
"...nor has China been looted."
The Generalissimo and the Mrs. beg to differ.
A link for the outrageously named Mr. Macleod, please?
Why?....gold bullets for the chicom army
The argument that there isn't enough gold in the world to have a fully backed currency is ignorant. There is always enough gold.
The argument that a gold-backed currency will eliminate credit bubbles is also ignorant.
What happens when "everyone" attempts to convert their currency to "enough gold" at once?
Gold bugs win?
Lear capital must be heavy on numismatic gold coins, which be fine; however gold has always been and always will be inferior in utility to the precious. Parity must come.
There is one really interesting aspect to gold and silver, too. If it were still currency there would never any currency/trade deficits. If accounts were actually settled in gold/PM's they are instantly convertible. Giving a gold eagle to China is precisely equivalent to a gold panda. Other than re-minting it with your own national mark, there is no conversion rate. There cannot be any currency arbitrage. The only thing you have to watch out for is diluting the metal, but even then it is instantly convertible.
You think that might put a massive damper on international trade?
I think in the long run it would help trade as sound currencies are healthy for trade. In the short run, pegged currencies like S. Korea, China and others might lose out as they can no longer artificially lower the price of exports. There would be rebalancing and that could be painful.
Second, banks would go back to what they originally were in the renaissance. No one wants to ship large quantities of gold so you would have gold on deposit in banks where it would be verified at your branch and credited at the other branch. It would be credited on a paper receipt and account which has no value in and of itself...like a reserve note, but represented real wealth.
I am under no illusion any of this will happen. I just think it's an interesting concept. No exchange rates!
Considering the Chinese history with counterfeiting and the fact that they are willing to advertise their skill in integrating tungsten you have to wonder how much of the product being sold in China is worth the price.
The IMF and other monetary based regimes are the problem-- not the currency itself. Like guns people make them violent. It is these financial elitards that no matter what kind of a new system backed by something shiny or not will fail unless we rid ourselves of them.
Why would anyone pay their taxes with gold/silver?
(Another sign Rome was going down, back in the day: It was paying in slugs but demanding taxes in gold.)
Good point. How many people would pay their taxes without withholding? If people had to pay them like a bill I think we'd have much more resistance as people see their tax bill eclipse their house and car payments. But your point is good, too. Real wealth for garbage. I submit that is what we do now. Real labor for FRN's.
One reason the Chinese and others might be accumulating gold is that after a generalized debt cancellation (a "jubilee"), the dollar will have to be revalued in gold terms at about $27,000 per ounce:
Yes. I've seen estimates as high as $56k. It depends how much gold is really on hand compared with paper money. Look at the revaluations in the Weimar Republic from the goldmark to the rentenmark. More importantly, if China is smart...and they are, you take those smelly FRN's and buy gold mines, gold, factories, etc., while they still have some value. In fact, turn it around and buy America. At the end, America will have worthless currency and you will own a large set of productive assets.
Check the site of Hugo Salinas Price, one of my favorites.
A few that shouldn't be missed:
[details how to monetize Silver, one main point: Never place a Monetary/Dollar value, only the weight and purity ]http://www.plata.com.mx/mplata/articulos/articlesFilt.asp?fiidarticulo=165
16/June/2010The gold standard: generator and protector of jobs
04/February/2009Gold: the protector and creator of jobs
Silver money for China
Hugo Salinas Price
The time for real money has arrived, and China can lead the way by monetizing silver into small coins which can be used as money.... more>>
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