Lear Capital: Will Rising Interest Rates Skyrocket the Gold Price?

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Thu, 03/24/2011 - 20:21 | 1097618 Thomas
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Hope so.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 01:25 | 1098516 Harlequin001
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This idea that gold prices are linked to interest rates is complete and utter bollocks. The gold price was rising in 1971 because the US had already been printing too many dollars, even under a gold standard. Most CB 's at the time were sending their export dollars back to the Fed almost immediately apart from the French, who had been stockpiling for some time.

When De Gaulle attempted to exchange his stockpile of dollars for gold Nixon shut the window. At that time the world was effectively saying' show us your gold backing' which had Nixon got he would have shown because as we all know, no politician can resist a political edge if its free, and doing so would most certainly have calmed the worlds fears about inadequate gold backing of dollars.

We can only deduce from this that the US didn't have sufficient gold to back its dollars, and that's as far back as 1971...

It matters not that interest rates rose upto 1980, the only reason the gold price collapsed subsequently was because of the introduction of the Washington Agreement which effectively released every CB from the need to convert foreign currency (read export dollars) to gold. Now they convert export dollars to a US T Bill or Euro bond etc so there is no demand for gold or sale of dollars. It was this collapse in demand from CB's which led to a collapse in gold prices as they became net sellers instead of buyers.

It was entirely a short term manipulation which is now over.

The Asian currency pegs created an artificial strong dollar economy in which wages didn't increase as they should which in turn resulted in credit based asset bubbles as the US Govt tried to make Americans wealthy through asset appreciation instead of net earnings. The only consequence was that Americans eventually 'spent up' using too much of a static take home pay to service mortgages and credit card debt. At that point the dollar began to fall because Greenspan/Bernanke knew that the only way they could replay the same game was for Americans to earn more money and take on more debt. That means lower dollars and higher inflation in a world geared up for inflexible exchange rates and exports to an economy gone bang. Lowering interest rates has got nothing to do with rising gold. If it did we would all have some and clearly we don't.

The gold price is rising because more people are concerned about the value of their money. We will soon see an environment where interest rates are rising in conjunction with the rising gold price.

The fact is that gold prices dictate interest rates, not the converse, because when gold is in money I don't need to invest or save it in banks. I can choose to do nothing, which means that the banks have to tempt me with yield to get me to give it up. I am everyone, I am Joe Public the world over.

Interest rates are entirely false. The introduction of the Washington Agreement should be recorded in history as the greatest manipulation of financial and commodity markets ever by anyone and anything. That manipulation must now be taken out, which means higher rates, higher gold, lower housing, less credit and higher food.

An absolute disaster by any means that was  entirely avoidable, thanks Greenspan & Bernanke et al for nothing. We would have been and will be better off without you.

'Watch for signs that the second great gold bull market in history is about to begin.'

Hmmm.. Well done Lear Capital, you're about 10 years late with that one...

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 06:12 | 1098711 Sathington Willougby
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Unjunk++

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 09:19 | 1099079 Cvillian
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Damn straight homeboy.

Normally I respect people who get posted on this site but Lear's analysis is so effing weak and that's coming from someone who is uber-long PMs.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 09:29 | 1099118 Stuck on Zero
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Harl: Your statement: "This idea that gold prices are linked to interest rates is complete and utter bollocks." may lose some relevance this time around.  The only way that the bankrupt Western governments can pay higher interest on their huge debt load is by printing more money.  That drives the price of old bonds downward scaring the begeezuz out of potential investors thinking of buying new bonds. Everyone who owns a 2% treasury note is angered by the new investors who get 4% and is unlikely to ever buy government debt again.  Why jump in at 4% when it may go to 6%?  Scared about reinvesting in new bonds investors may move to something more tangible: like PMs. 

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 11:32 | 1099673 Harlequin001
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Zero, I think you're quite correct. Normally I wouldn't make the statement because under a gold standard interest rates are set by the markets i.e I keep my gold in money unless a better more worthwhile opportunity arises, but these rates are set by CB's which makes them entirely false and not indicative of market forces or the direction of any pricing in anything other than credit.

There's no way I'd lend my money to a bank in any form (including deposits) at these rates of interest ergo I buy gold.

 

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 20:42 | 1097689 reader2010
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Look at the real rate instead, bitchez.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 20:57 | 1097724 Philidor
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It's true that higher interest rates tend to be associated with higher gold prices, but I wouldn't interpret this relationship as one of causation, as the author seems to; rather, it's that a common factor, inflation (money-printing) is driving both interest rates (as people seek real return) and the gold price (which adjusts upwards as more money chases a relatively fixed supply).

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 21:22 | 1097796 Nigh Eve
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I agree.

A strong enough hike in interest rates would strengthen the US Dollar and, thus, mitigate the rise in gold prices - perhaps even causing them to fall.

The author cites the time period between 2003 and 2006 as evidence.   However, what really happened in that time period was that the Fed failed to be aggressive enough to fight inflationary forces.

Those other inflationary forces included the following:

- The Shadow Banking system running wild with CDO's and CDO's-squared, cubed, etc.  (which, in turn, helped to fuel the "easy-credit" for the housing boom.) 

- The wealth effect of the Republican tax cuts.

- 2 wars

- The extra-large budget deficit.

 

I am surprised that Zero Hedge would allow such a flawed argument to even be published as an article.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 21:31 | 1097824 Vint Slugs
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Hey, it's a sponsored post.  The rent has to be paid.

caveat reader.  Not everything you're going to find here features flawless logic let alone a rock solid premise.

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 08:58 | 1098996 Thomas
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It's called a lurking variable.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 20:59 | 1097742 Greenhead
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On the average, since 1973, the dollar cost of gold has increase at about a 10% rate.  So much for the CPI.  Of course, one could argue that gold was undervalued artificially in 1973 but the dollar, as measured against that standard, has been greatly reduced in value mostly because of the increase in the Frn's.

No wonder the middle class is angry.  Most wages haven't increased at 10% a year over the last 38 years.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:13 | 1097997 jeff montanye
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u.s. inflation adjusted wages peaked in 1973.  see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_Real_Wages_1964-2004.gif

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 21:20 | 1097791 NidStyles
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I would have been interested in seeing how this played in with the open manipulation and the ETF's as well. Especially with silver. Yes, I know I could go figure it out on my own, but I have enough on my plate. I'm also quite lazy after work.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 21:29 | 1097818 disabledvet
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"Credit Default Swap."  My question is "is that what causes instant interest rate shocku"?

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:06 | 1097964 fasTTcar
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I have been actively buying gold and silver for a decade and the flashing exit sign for me will be 75+ basis point rate increases.

Thu, 03/24/2011 - 22:19 | 1098011 SuperRay
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so if this is a sponsored post, what are they selling?  There's no way out of this mess.  the scumsatan will keep pumping paper until everything collapses.  If he raises rates, everything collapses. even my non-financially educated brain can pick out the theme here. All we can do now is thank Blythe and co for keeping the PM prices low enough so we can stock up for the postappocalyptic barter trade, cause if you don't have something anyone wants, you're not going to get anything you need

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 02:30 | 1098597 iinthesky
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So where's silver play into all this?

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 06:26 | 1098720 Sathington Willougby
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Cheapen your money over time and what do you get, in the long term cheap money. 

In a quest to exchange their pittance for real money, hapless slave-citizens turn to USD.XAU.

When USA goes to A- rating (rock bottom default imminent), rates have to go up, but so what the damage is done.  There's no economy left to back anything. 

Plants shut down, motor city locked up since someone punched a hole in the oil pan (unions).  No influx of real energy (crude) coming from our own soil (just green wet dreams encouraged to create fake transactions).  Now Toyota isn't pushing parts or cars, jobs are vanishing faster than ever.

I'd like to see you stop this one way bullet train to nowhere.

"you better just have yourself a damn good conductor" - Leonard Nemoy.

Paging Dr. Paul, you're needed in the ICU...bleep bleep bleep beeeeeeeeeeeeooop....

Fri, 03/25/2011 - 07:15 | 1098738 Clapham Junction
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God, another of these.

The answers: "No" and "No."

You make it sound like rates move magically higher.  The FED follows the 3mo T-bill.  Watch that for your clue when rates will be raised.  Again, the FED follows the T-bill market, not vice-versa.

You'd think a pro would know that. 

 

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