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Lethal Weapon? [Update: Reuters Has Now Pulled The Entire Article]

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Update: Reuters has now pulled the entire article and associated pictures.

Navy SEALs know all about the lethal potential of super soakers:

"One photo shows a computer cable and what looks like a child's plastic green and orange water pistol lying under the right shoulder of one of the dead men."

Luckily, the release of this photo of a man who obviously died during water pistol-based self defense will not, unlike that of a picture of a dead Osama, anger the billions of Muslims around the world.

Source: Reuters


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Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:22 | 1239998 falak pema
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ghoulish and sad ...a man died...violently...and its always man's defeat...wherever and whoever he be.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:04 | 1240216 Thorlyx
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nope. it's not Josef Ackermann.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:31 | 1240368 The PolyCapitalist
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All four death photos, along with the two shots of the scuttled U.S. helicopter, are posted here:

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:51 | 1240527 Citxmech
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That wreckage doesn't look like part of any Blackhawk I've ever seen...  WTF is that?

This looks like an assassination of unsuspecting targets.  Four dead and three are by head-shots?  Hmmmm....   And if that was OBLs safe-house, do you mean to tell me that his "guards" weren't armed - and wouldn't have heard 2-4 helicopters coming in [with one crashing]? This whole thing stinks.
Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:02 | 1240607 Moe Howard
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Looks like a bit from a Pave Low. That's a chopper very popular with Special Ops back in the day, I've been out for 8 years so don't know if they still use it.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:15 | 1240682 Citxmech
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Those Sikorskis are BIG mofos.  Unless they vacuumed up most of the debris, I don't see how it could be one of those.

Maybe an UAV?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:00 | 1241240 trillion_dollar...
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According to a Fox News report, that tail contains technology DOD doesnt want falling into enemy hands (specifically named China). Was never meant to be left behind. They are currently scrambling to get it back.

This story gets more and more fubared.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:02 | 1241461 Cleve Meater
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AP/Reuters has put the story with photos back up.

As for the helicopter... ABC reporting it's a stealth helicopter rumored to have existed but never confirmed -

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:51 | 1242041 jonjon831983
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Cool! Thx for the article!


Them black stealth helicopters that come in night we hear about in movies are true!!! Gah!

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 01:01 | 1242054 Freddie
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"...I've been out for 8 years so don't know..."

Moe Howard


What did Shemp give you the boot?  ;-)

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:04 | 1240608 Moe Howard
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Sorry mouse stutter. I had heard they used Shithooks, but that bit in the picture I could swear is from a Pave Low.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:11 | 1241268 CPL
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Fuckers killed a super star!!


Ron Jeramy!!  NOOOOOoOOOooo


The Hedgehog is gone!!  Long live the Hedgehog.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:41 | 1241394 sun tzu
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I thought Ron Jeremy was at Gitmo?



Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:16 | 1240653 Rusty_Shackleford
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Agreed.  Kind of looks a little bit similar to the RAH-66 tail rotor, but not quite.  I suspect it's something using the Comanche's stealth technology applied to a 60L DAP that the teams get to play around with.  Who knows.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:52 | 1240889 thatthingcanfly
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The empennage is not from a 53J or 53E. Look at the shape. And size. Further, the burned out fuselage section reveals 4 rotor blades. It's a 60.

And, do you really think the SEALs would have left any weapons behind? They took them, along with OBL's body.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:17 | 1241285 Chuck Walla
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These use special stealth tech and have spoofing IFF transponders as well as other high tech goodies.  The Chinese are special friends of the Pakis and some Chinese Army is sitting on the border of India with their Paki BFF's.


The Chinese would love to reverse engineer this stuff.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:34 | 1241352 navy62802
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Some people are saying that it's the remains of a super-secret stealth-modified Black Hawk. The article is up on Navy Times ...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:53 | 1241438 navy62802
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According to an ABC story, all electricity and cell phone service went out in the moments before the raid and stayed off until the operation was complete. Apparently the DOD has no comment about the reports of the outage.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:21 | 1240721 max2205
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The release of the photos of Bin Laden are delayed probably because the company who manufactured his most recent birth certificate are on vacation spending some of the tax payer loot they made off of that job.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:33 | 1240069 john39
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one wonders if this guy was just some innocent random guy, chosen for this grisly part in the bin laden charade. And why is it ok to release this pic of a dead muslim, but not a pic of a dead bin laden? more and more this looks like a ritual to me, in the same way that 911 was an occult ritual.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:42 | 1240117 NumberNone
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It was apparently sold to Reuters by a Pakistani Security guard on the scene. 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:57 | 1240178 Sudden Debt
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It's a muslim who is sleeping it off after playing a game of super soaker which where filled with red coloured water.


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:09 | 1240270 nmewn
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How do we know it wasn't somewhere in L.A.?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:39 | 1240827 nyse
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I dont know... looks like pigs blood from here.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:44 | 1241803 Harlequin001
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Why would you bother with pigs blood? It's not as if there's a shortage of people over there you can shoot is there?

Is Saudi King Abdullah grieving? If not I suspect Osama isn't really dead and that he's just gone home quietly after a good rant... and some other paint ball enthusiasts got shot to hide the fact..

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:44 | 1241812 Dr. Porkchop
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How do you know he's a muslim with a red liquid filled super soaker? He could be agnostic! Nobody took the time to ask his opinion.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:20 | 1240331 macholatte
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...this guy was just some innocent random guy, chosen for this grisly part...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:38 | 1240418 el Gallinazo
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Reminds me of the old adage, "Never go to a gun fight with a water pistol." At least he was armed, as opposed to the dead women.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:45 | 1241807 Harlequin001
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Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:18 | 1240709 cossack55
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Where did the Towers go? by Prof. Judy Wood.  Damned interesting and some great Tesla history.  A serious engineer.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:39 | 1240097 gall batter
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agree.  horrible.  depressing.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:48 | 1240128 Mercury
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Fuck that.  If you're living with OBL in a fortified compound you've dug your own grave.  It's probably a sex toy for diddling little boys anyway.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:20 | 1240316 LeBalance
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There is no spoon.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:36 | 1241136 Mercury
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Perhaps it ran away with the dish (see trav7777's news bulletin below).

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:59 | 1240939 trav7777
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Haven't you guys seen the latest news?

A fucking 12 year old kid in the neighborhood was hanging out with them, they even gave him a couple of rabbits to take care of.  He'd go over to their house apparently all the time.

YOU TELL ME that motherfucking nobody KNEW that OBL was in this "hideout."  A goddamned neighbor boy knew him!  As this was an area of apparent means, you have to wonder whether or not EVERYBODY knew wtf was up.  This shit stinks to high heaven.

If a fuckin neighbor kid knew OBL was living there and met him a bunch of times and got pets from the dude, how the fuck could the CIA or ISI have NOT known?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:35 | 1241366 navy62802
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It's called diplomacy. Of course Pakistan knew bin Laden was living there. What I find shocking is that our multi-billion dollar intelligence/national security state can claim with a straight face that it had no clue ... after dude had been living in the SAME COMPOUND FOR SIX YEARS!!@

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:39 | 1241599 haskelslocal
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by navy62802
on Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:35

It's called diplomacy. Of course Pakistan knew bin Laden was living there. What I find shocking is that our multi-billion dollar intelligence/national security state can claim with a straight face that it had no clue ... after dude had been living in the SAME COMPOUND FOR SIX YEARS!!@

So true Navy..

Unfortunately, using the media to tell a story is like using a bullhorn at a wedding to tell your buddy the bride's a whore.  

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:38 | 1241585 Diogenes
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How come a 12 year old kid can find drug dealers in any ghetto but the cops can't?

Very mysterioso.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:46 | 1241818 Harlequin001
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Trav, clearly the I in CIA is a name, not a job description or requirement...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:44 | 1241604 Votewithabullet
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@freddy merk ," diddling mit little boys is a christian phenomena. " jesus suffered and now yer gonna suffer" pick a pope.




Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:42 | 1240111 DarkMath
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"and its always man's defeat"

That's not what God said:

"And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers"

I came close to buying it in those towers that day. This isn't goulish or sad to me.


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:43 | 1240120 falak pema
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was he present on 9/11 in NY, this guy? Who knows who he was!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:54 | 1240167 DarkMath
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Go Fuck Yourself.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:01 | 1240193 speculator
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And you know that how? 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:09 | 1240253 DarkMath
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Let me guess, you're another 9/11 conspiracy wing nut.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:13 | 1240294 Ruffcut
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No, you are another fuckup asstroll.

I have piles of poop smarter than you, and they still get flushed.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:37 | 1240819 doggings
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lol. Dark Math got a 7 in the Sheeple Quiz

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:48 | 1240863 Hephasteus
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Oh look. It's another guy getting around you can't do propaganda on your own citizens by being an iraeli asshole doing propaganda on americans.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:28 | 1242007 Bringin It
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Zing! Caught him right in the chops Heph. 

Must have hurt.  Surely did some damage. being an iraeli asshole doing propaganda on americans.

I give you the nature of the American Mind Prison.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:01 | 1240948 trav7777
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A neighbor kid has just gone on video talking about how he knew the OBL family.  This was the apparently worst-kept secret in the area.

But...but...we had to gitmo waterboard people to find out?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:50 | 1241635 Votewithabullet
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Holy shit. "a neighbor boy " blah fucking blah. A neighbor boy said it so it so its settled.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:00 | 1240184 Cognitive Dissonance
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I came close to buying it in those towers that day.

What I never understand when hearing/reading this type of statement is the connection between someone being in or near the towers on 9/11 and their belief or disbelief in what their government says happened that day. How does one support the other?

I'm not questioning your proximity to the towers. I take your word on it. Which means that I am not questioning that you were attacked that day. But just because you were attacked that day doesn't mean you are a better or worse judge of exactly who/what was behind that attack.

The government promised legal proof immediately after the attack that it was Bin Laden who was behind the attack. They then said a week later that they might not be able to provide legal proof, but they would provide sufficient proof. Two weeks later we were told that they would never provide legal proof nor sufficient proof for various reasons. And essentially all they ever provided was a mangled cover story that doesn't hold water after some serious examination and questioning. 

Worse, with just a small effort to examine what they did provide tells us that couldn't convince a lynch mob that Bin Laden was behind the attacks. Regardless it was all quite sufficient to incite America into two (three?) wars of over 8 years in length.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:08 | 1240237 DarkMath
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You think the government planned 9/11? Are you kidding me. I didn't realize you were that out of touch cogdis.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:13 | 1240295 falak pema
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Dark math : If you want the world to feel sorry about innocent victims of 9/11 you must also give the benefit of the doubt to those who die as civilians in another man's service. He may have been a local element, even though he was in the house rented by the OBL clan. I don't think a man deserves to die for being in that house...just 'cos he was there...On that basis they should have killed the whole family...all women and children as accomplices of the devil.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:27 | 1240370 DarkMath
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"I don't think a man deserves to die for being in that house"

The Seals killed anyone who resisted. God bless Seal Team 6.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:59 | 1240550 falak pema
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they should have killed the women and children as they must have 'resisted'...if they were found in pools of stands to reason...god bless the penguins.

Having said that, it was reported one of those killed was his son....

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:04 | 1240947 nah
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911 building 7 falls... why


1. NY substructures are weak and not ready for things like plains hitting buildings nearby... earthquakes... bombs... and tsunamis... or else MID size buildings fall down in manhattan

2. the terrorists blew it up

3. it was blown up by israel

4. there was no investigation


yeah i think we should know and we never will... and we should know who made the decision to bury the evidence to boot moron

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:39 | 1241590 Nikao7
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Thanks a lot Dark Math.  After reading your comments I chucked my supper up all over my keyboard and monitor.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 21:54 | 1241657 Votewithabullet
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That was efuckingjackulate u upchucked NIGGER. WTF did he say that made u cry. Theres a nigger right above you who thinks there is a mystery aboot (fuk leo) 9/11. 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:23 | 1240334 LeBalance
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Did the Federal Reserve plan to flood the world with $$$$$$$$ and cause XXXXXX super chaos, death, and destruction?

Golly Wilbur, its a Global Conspiracy!

They ... are ... a ... dime ... a .... dozen.


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:55 | 1241831 Harlequin001
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I don't think it's a case of 'did they plan to' but they must have understood that it is a mathematical certainty that they would be required to...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:26 | 1240348 N_Jones
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Why is it when someone questions the governments version everyone jumps straight to conclusion that they think the governement planned it.

All he said was the the story they tell doesn't make sense. That doesn't mean that he thinks the government planned it just means that they aren't telling the truth.

dear fricking god I get tired of that shit....

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:24 | 1240742 cossack55
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Where did the towers go? by Judy Wood.


No, I don't know JW and am not a publisher or book seller. Just open minded and this is a new approach I found damned interesting.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:42 | 1240448 Cognitive Dissonance
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You think the government planned 9/11?

Did I say that? Please indicate where I said this. All I did was question the government's official conspiracy theory. The official story doesn't make sense and I suspect this is the real reason why they have never offered proof.

I have no idea who or what was behind the attacks primarily because no real unbiased investigation armed with the ability to legally compel testimony from all parties involved has ever been mounted.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:20 | 1240735 That Peak Oil Guy
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The presence of thermite (actually something called "nano-thermite") in the WTC dust is certainly something that should demand a new investigation:


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:27 | 1240757 cossack55
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See my above post. She refutes the thermite theory. Beware, you must be able to think outside the box.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:19 | 1241061 That Peak Oil Guy
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You're right, very interesting stuff...


Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:52 | 1242010 Bringin It
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Based on that I'm checking ....


Please - out with it.  What's with the sellling-the-book-thing?  Re-direction.

POG -1

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 07:50 | 1242356 psychobilly
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Judy Wood being made a fool of:

Pure comedy. Her nonsense rivals the nonsense put out by the government regarding 9/11, probably because they are on the same team.

The best way to defeat the opposition is to become the opposition.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:57 | 1241949 natty light
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Thank you for your sanity, sir.

It seems some of the most important questions that need sober analysis end

up covered in emotional drama.

Notice that the budget and deficit are distracted and clouded by the bookends of two weekends of stories where questions and controversies cloud and distract [to wit: release of birth certificate allegedly and attack on osama]. Crabbydogtrix on youtube gets credit for pointing this out. 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:55 | 1240555 Citxmech
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CD didn't say that - why don't you read what he said and rethink your answer...

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:03 | 1241678 Votewithabullet
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Fuck that. He didnt have to say it. He axes like there is a mystery. There is no fucking mystery. Big plane hit building, building go down. Sand nigger found to have caused plane to hit building. There are PHDs who actually think we faked the moon landings. "it has always been thus".

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:00 | 1241840 Harlequin001
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It's the 'Sand nigger' part that hasn't been properly defined yet.

No one doubts the rest of your statement, question is, are you chasing the wrong guy because the govt want you to. That should be all important to everyone and stylised executions without trial do nothing to answer that question.

And by the way, I don't see how you managed to get to the moon on an upturned bunson burner powered by a pocket calculator without several feet of lead shielding...

Armstrong et al would all be dead if you had...

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:53 | 1242043 Bringin It
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I need to 'axes' you a question ... With your brain so big, how come you need to write 'axes'?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 04:21 | 1242214 ZeroPower
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He's black.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 07:55 | 1242376 Votewithabullet
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..uhh that would have been...humor. I use the "n" cause it seems to disconcert the disconcertable aber nein, ich bin weiss.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 23:43 | 1241921 Rhodin
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"You think the government planned 9/11? Are you kidding me. I didn't realize you were that out of touch cogdis".

Some able to command parts of the government certianly had a part in it.

Who got the Air Force to stand down for almost an hour with hijacked planes in the air?

Who fired the missle into the Pentagon?  (The damage was consistent with a missle and no arliner could fly the trajectory and remain intact unless specially modified to do so).  What investigation taking place at the Pentagon was dropped after the attack? 

Who "pulled" Building 7 and why?  What investigations taking place there were suddenly dropped?  Cui bono?

Osama probably provided some usefull idiots for show, and some of those guys were probably on the planes. Doubt they flew them though,  some sort of drone program took over once they were airborne.  Either Osama played a small part or none in the actual op.  Sure played (or was played as) a good bogeyman though.




Thu, 05/05/2011 - 01:01 | 1242055 Bringin It
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Yes and I just want to add that darkmaths junks are up to 38 and counting.


Ah I see the g-man shill nemwevn has returned to astonish us again with his ignorance.

Yes nememwn please take the floor.  I appreciate the entertainment.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:31 | 1240376 nmewn
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"Worse, with just a small effort to examine what they did provide tells us that couldn't convince a lynch mob that Bin Laden was behind the attacks."

One would think OBL's own words would be enough.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:50 | 1240504 Cognitive Dissonance
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Yup, there is the iron clad proof. Unfortunately if you compare stills from the video of this purported OBL with actual photos of Bin Laden there is very little resemblance. But since he has a beard and he says he did it and my government assures us he really is OBL I'm convinced.

This video reminds of how American people think Chinese or Japanese or African Americans or American Indians all look alike. Let's see the legal case. We won't see one because there is none. Even the FBI admitted they could not present a case tying OBL and 9/11 together. The cover story is full of holes.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:56 | 1240586 nmewn
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"Unfortunately if you compare stills from the video of this purported OBL with actual photos of Bin Laden there is very little resemblance."

Your kidding right?

And he said it more than once.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:21 | 1240715 Cognitive Dissonance
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Nope, I'm not kidding. The video shows someone with a wider face, different nose and eye structure etc. The TSA facial recognition software would let the video guy pilot the President's plane if he showed up in a Captain's uniform. :>)

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:26 | 1240764 nmewn
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"The TSA facial recognition software would let the video guy pilot the President's plane if he showed up in a Captain's uniform." the others in the room did not confirm this meeting took place?...I'm pretty sure they did.

In fact, they were quite outspoken and boastful about this particular meeting if I recall.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:54 | 1240913 Cognitive Dissonance
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I know four guys who said they held a "beer and bong night" in their living room 3 1/2 months after 9/11. They all confirmed it took place and they were quite boastful about chugging and puffing all night. So I guess that's proof.

The fact that they didn't actually have the party and were scattered to the four winds across America during Christmas break was thus rendered irrelevant because they were quite boastful and sincere.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:38 | 1241147 nmewn
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Just as likely as nano explosives placed by newly employed hook nosed janitors beforehand, precisely where amateur pilots stuck their empty planes thus starting the collapses exactly there, after employing Mossad provided cell phone voice software across the telecommunications grid, which had the software talking to people that it did not know who to call till after boarding passes were checked.

But the hooka shared between the four college kids seeking extra cash and their twitterized ME aquiantances cannot be confirmed due to space time continuum disturbance with reality on this astral plane and of course...the poor quality of hash these days ;-) 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:52 | 1241199 Cognitive Dissonance
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Now you're just trying to spin garbage. I never claimed any alternative theories. All I said was that the government's conspiracy theory is just that, a theory and a poor one at that.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:22 | 1241310 nmewn
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"Now you're just trying to spin garbage. I never claimed any alternative theories."

I know that CD...I never said you did, all I was doing was re-"hashing" some wonderful conspiracy theories destroyed on GW threads over a span of a couple months...every one of them (and more) was put know I don't lie. 

I'm actually on your side (if you want to call it that, a side).

I am 100% confident that if an unbiased investigation is done the only conspiracy that will be found is one of the cover up of complete government incompetence on an epic scale.

For allowing the hijackers in on student visas without a thorough background not knowing where they lived, to not apprehending them when visas expired, to not investigating when they failed to appear in class or change addresses to Gorelick walls etc.

From INS to FBI to CIA to Congressional sponsers to the law itself...they will not investigate their own incompetence.

Seeya round the hookah ;-)

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 01:00 | 1242020 Shell Game
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Sadly, we'll never know the truth.  But, I just don't get the fighting between the official theory crowd and cospiracy theory crowd.  Does it really matter?  And, if it really does, please enlighten me.

Did the government bring on 9-11 through decades of imperial MIC conquest for cheap oil and a domineering monetary policy?  Or, did they decided to set up a police state to cow and rule the populace through fear of terrorism?

Honestly, I don't one is wrong and the other is right.  What matters to me is both theories leave us with a government operating outside the Constitution and out of control.  As I see it, they wont be changing the conventional way - in time - so maybe they need toppling the old fashioned way...

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 01:10 | 1242064 Bringin It
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Try this on for size ShellGame.

How about Honest Government?  Who's in favor of Honest Government?  Who's opposed?

Somebody said the other day the Turd won't touch 9/11 because he's "kinda on the right".

What's left/right about advocating honest government?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 01:46 | 1242100 Shell Game
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If this government opened it's books, would anything change?  This government is incapable of being honest and is broken beyond repair.  In every present action there are crimes against the people and propaganda to hide it.  My point is this: get rid of these fucks, whether it's story A or story B, the debate is meaningless.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 07:43 | 1242358 Bringin It
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Nothing to disagree with friend.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 07:21 | 1242319 nmewn
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Shell Game,

"Sadly, we'll never know the truth."

Probably not. People have spread the shit so far and so deep a majority of the country or the world for that matter will not know what to think about it.

Which leads would be one helluva reverse pyso-ops operation wouldn't it? Part of the world thinking the joos did it. Part of the world thinking the military industrial complex did it. Part of the world thinking elected officials ordered it.

A little something for everyone...LOL. Racists, anarchists, left wing, right wing, Arabs etc.

"Did the government bring on 9-11 through decades of imperial MIC conquest for cheap oil and a domineering monetary policy?"

Well, the majority of our oil doesn't come from the ME. A case could be made for monetary policy but that is not what OBL is about. He's about a one world Islmaic caliphate, which certainly would be domineering in every respect, religiously, monetarily, culturally. He and his followers have been quite plain & upfront about it.

"What matters to me is both theories leave us with a government operating outside the Constitution and out of control." 

Same here. 

Good governance, first, requires ethical people at the top. It requires them understanding there are limits to what it can do and what it should do. 

Something in short supply obviously (ethics) when you look at the campaign donations flowing toward them from the various monied classes. Which is their right (the monied classes) however nothing says a politician has to take the money. The great failing of democracy (which we now have instead of a republic) is it's baser parts drag the quality of the structure down. Our founders knew this.

"As I see it, they wont be changing the conventional way - in time - so maybe they need toppling the old fashioned way..."

If it comes, it comes.

I can't and won't promote it. To see it abroad is one thing, to experience it up close and personal is another. To see your children, family, friends & loved ones starve, succumb to disease or be killed outright is what it actually is. There is nothing good about war, especially civil war. Any sane warrior will tell you that.

And really, when you think about it, they are doing a damn fine job of destroying the government now...LOL. The trust is completely gone, it's a husk of what it was...a statist's worst nightmare my friend ;-)

Fri, 05/06/2011 - 01:15 | 1244026 Shell Game
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Hello Nmewn,

I do have mixed feelings about some aggressive imperial agenda on the part of Islam, its widespread acceptance has it smelling of propaganda.  Our decades of MIC expansion and ME meddling did exacerbate the age old tensions between Islam and Christianity.  But, much time is spent on the symptoms of our disease, than a true cure.  I would wager we agree that true capitalism, under an upheld Constitution, would make many of those symptoms disappear. 

Thank you for correcting me on ME oil imports. The true story of our involvement over there is as complicated as it is ugly.  In a nutshell, our ME policy leaves a foul taste in the mouth of this Constistutionalist.

Re: war/civil war,

To see it abroad is one thing, to experience it up close and personal is another.

I hear you clearly on the realities of war. I hope it never comes close up and personal.  However, we both know what the 2nd Ammendment is really about......yet, it's taboo to talk about its actionable intent!  At some point back 235, there were patriots who had to leave their loved ones vulnerable and paid dearly for that vulnerability.  Yet, leave to fight they did.  I hear many conservatives laud the military and say 'Freedom isn't Free!'  They are willing to throw the blood of our children into foreign wars, yet most are under the spell that citizen militias are quacks and rebellion is for anarchists.

Maybe it's those words of Solzhenitsyn's on the Gulag that haunt me, "And how we burned in the camps later..." [upon reflection, for a chance to turn the clock back and take a stand], and of Jefferson's letter to Madison, "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical."

Aah, but you are probably right about a more 'natural' death:  this serpant is indeed eating its tail, voraciously..

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:26 | 1240753 DavidPierre
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Jesus H. Christ you dumbass... The CIA has admitted they faked that video along time ago.  Get up to speed or STFU!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:31 | 1240775 nmewn
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"The CIA has admitted they faked that video along time ago."

Spam free link please...TIA.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:24 | 1241311 DavidPierre
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ZH ain't Special Class! 


Do your own damn homework!

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:30 | 1241333 nmewn
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100% spam free!

Thanks DP...I knew you'd come through for me ;-)

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:59 | 1241428 DavidPierre
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What?... God Damnit nmewn!... Did you drool on your keyboard again and short out the 'Google' button ?

{...smarten'n up all you's inbreeded, hockey-helmeted, 9-11 retards off the short-bus, sure'nuf tries ma weary soul after all these fuckin years...}


Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:14 | 1241989 Shell Game
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This was a gentlemen's discussion, until...

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 01:16 | 1242072 Bringin It
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Lighten up.  See 'Fight Cub'.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 01:26 | 1242092 Shell Game
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Battles of wit are much more entertaining and educational than playground name calling.  But to each their own..

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 01:38 | 1242105 Bringin It
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Read what you want to read.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 01:50 | 1242116 Shell Game
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Kind of works both ways, now doesn't it?

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 06:25 | 1242266 nmewn
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I see you've met my troll BringinIt  ;-)

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 07:46 | 1242369 Bringin It
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Your the troll fool.  But I see you are changing your story line.  Now you don't believe everything your government tells you.  This is progress.  Maybe some day you'll have a Bldg7 epiphany.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 08:25 | 1242474 nmewn
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At the risk of arguing with a damned fool lest I be percieved as one, I never said I believed everything "my" government tells me. However, I don't sit around smoking crack (apparently) becoming a slobbering, delusional, paranoid schizophrenic about everything I read on the internet when it is at complete variance with known evidence, physics, history, engineering & technology. Unlike you...ciao punk.
Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:58 | 1240579 Citxmech
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Oh, is this the one where the guy in the video is wearing a wedding ring?  [A practice not recognized by Islamic law].  Nice try.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:24 | 1240741 nmewn
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Muhammad wore a ring.

Is there like a flashing sign on some conspiracy website that says >>>wedding ring here<<<


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:39 | 1240828 Citxmech
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Maybe, but OBL didn't.  I think real issue is that the one shown is gold, rather than silver.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:47 | 1240875 nmewn
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Quite the discerning eye you have, do you do cubic zirconia vs. diamond as well? ;-)

Who knows, that "evidence" is shakier than a dog shittin razor blades...LOL.


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:45 | 1241805 Citxmech
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Well, I can certainly tell Au from Ag.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 06:16 | 1242262 nmewn
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If you would have told me he was eating with his left hand, well, maybe you would have been on to something...but he didn't.

Pull up any picture, of any king, in the ME and look at their wrists and fingers...what do you see?

Look closely, perhaps you can tell me what large item is at the center of OBL's "wedding band"? ;-)

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:20 | 1240302 Big Red
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You use a twisted version from the Old Testament, Ezekiel 25:17, popularized by a super-violent movie script (Pulp Fiction) to try and make some sort of point?

I hope you have forgiven Giuliani et al for having non-compatible communication systems on the police and firemen that day at the Twin Towers.

Oh, and don't hate on the 911 families with dead loved ones who have forgiven those who came against their relatives.


17And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them

Young's Literal:

17And done upon them great vengeance with furious reproofs, And they have known that I [am] Jehovah, In My giving out My vengeance on them!

But, heh, that's OLD TESTAMENT. Try delving into the New one...


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:11 | 1240287 Creed
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thank you Seal Team Six


and thanks again for getting that fuck Zarqawi

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:19 | 1240326 Big Red
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You're Cheney's daughter? Or just another blood-lover?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:00 | 1240617 jm
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Cry all you want, idiot.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:04 | 1240952 BigJim
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OBL flew a plane into a building? And survived?

Jeez, no wonder the SEALS were unable to take the man alive, despite his being unarmed and a diabetic. He really was 54 years young, huh?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 20:25 | 1241326 jm
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I guess your babbling  is somehow to distract from the Jerry Springer atmosphere. 

Between bitterness from Obama being the president in the right place at the right time on the one side and genuine nuttiness on the other, a lot of you idiots can't even see that the world is a better place with Osama bin Laden smoked and roasting in hell right now.


Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:38 | 1242018 sun tzu
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How has the world improved since Sunday night? Are gas and food prices lower? Did unemployment drop? Did they manage to balance the budget? Is the TSA no longer groping grannies and kids? Stop parroting the media and think for yourself.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 18:30 | 1240771 gunsmoke011
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The only thing ghoulish about this photo is that there are not more of them lined up as far as the eye can see - and that Geithner, Bernanke, Paulson, Obama and almost all members of Congress are not at the front of the line.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 22:09 | 1241703 A Lunatic
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Maybe someone else has posted this but here it is anyhow:


Thu, 05/05/2011 - 08:53 | 1242618 aerojet
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I'd like to see some bankers get that kind of ultimate defeat.  It would be a boon to the rest of mankind at this point.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:25 | 1239999 Cognitive Dissonance
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This photo can't be real because that's not how dead people look on primetime TV.

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:20 | 1241997 Shell Game
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Now, you see?  That's your problema, you need to see dead people on sub-prime time, they look real dead like.  ;-)

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:23 | 1240003 TheGreatPonzi
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The whole Osama operation is a bad farce.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:34 | 1240053 Duuude
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The whole Obama operation is a bad farce.

Fixed it.


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:42 | 1240110 Missing_Link
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Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:33 | 1240403 nmewn
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Thu, 05/05/2011 - 01:15 | 1242069 Freddie
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Hilarious how ZH is filled with Dems who voted for the islamic fraud.  The fools junked you.

They can't find a real BC, can't find the picture or the video of the raid.  These people are such liars and all of TV, the news media, hollywood and the left back this criminal fraud.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:47 | 1240127 A Lunatic
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This is the "Circuses" part of bread and circuses. Brought to you by the new American majority.........who actually believe this shit.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:24 | 1240008 Gubbmint Cheese
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not him.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:27 | 1240011 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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That suppose to be bin laden?

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:26 | 1240019 TheGreatPonzi
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Unless he put egg yolk on his face every morning to disguise himself, no. 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:28 | 1240020 Global Hunter
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no Reuters says it is some other man in the house at time.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:28 | 1240037 Non Passaran
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Looks like Ron Jeremy to me.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:34 | 1240072 gordengeko
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I was thinking that dude that used to coach the miami heat, he died?  wtf

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:36 | 1240402 Calvin Jones an...
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Haha!  You mean Stan Van Gundy?  He's coaching the Orlando Magic now.  And anyone ever notice how Van Gundy's brother, who used to be the Knicks coach and is now on TV, looks like that dude Patrick Swayze encounters in the subway station in Ghost.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:27 | 1240014 Global Hunter
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So they're releasing pictures of 3 civilians that they killed and not bin Laden?  Are they kidding?  Inspector Clouseau running the show.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:34 | 1240057 dukeland
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O'bummer dosent have the guts to release OBL photos. The photo above (and 2 others) were purchased by Reuters from a Pakistani security personnel who took these pictures 1 hr after the US raid.


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 19:07 | 1240990 trav7777
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you don't think they're going to "leak" them?  Seriously, now....

we're already getting photos and stories out the yin yang.

NOW it turns out that OBL was known well enough in the neighborhood that a fuckin 12 year old is saying he used to hang out with the family at the "compound."

You connect me some dots here...the whole thing stinks.  Yeah, they shot OBL; seems to be enough evidence of that now.  Wait till it turns out that everybody in the whole fuckin city knew he was there.

This spells I-S-I

Thu, 05/05/2011 - 00:42 | 1242030 Hook Line and S...
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If it spells ISI, then it also enunciates the new target in the war for profiteering.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:03 | 1240205 Keri at Bankste...
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Yes, and obviously the administration was very careful to offer this Muslim a proper "Muslim funeral" and prompt burial at sea, as is "required by Muslim law," which is why they left him in the compound to be photographed later by security gaurds. 

This whole thing is such a joke. 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:24 | 1240340 silvertrain
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good point..

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 17:43 | 1240482 chet
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The pakistanis took and released these photos.  OBL's body wasn't there.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:28 | 1240015 Muir
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Really Tyler, give it a break.


Wed, 05/04/2011 - 16:38 | 1240080 FrankIvy
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Muir wrote: "Really Tyler, give it a break."

What's your fuckin' problem?

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