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A Letter To Congress

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from reader T. Willerson

Letter to congress

Dear Congressman:

It’s here:  Your moment at the plate.   You’ve whiffed more than a few … and, yes, we’re counting.  But you’ve been gifted another at-bat, and the President’s tired.  Seventh inning stuff is coming out of his teleprompter, and this full-count fastball will be straight, level, and slow.  You won’t see another one like this for five years.

An embattled first term president is faced with an outcome that he must, at all costs, prevent, and he’s done very little ground work ahead of it.  He is about to become the first President in American history to preside over a default on the national debt, unless you vote to let him raise the limit on the financial burden we leave our children.  He would ultimately be crazy to deny any reasonable option, absolutely anything, rather than live with the outcome of his refusal.  Politically speaking, he’s whispered a prayer to the Greek God of Imprudence and Fiscal Insanity, raised a one-finger salute to the nation’s savers through the sunroof of a stolen golden Beemer, and revved it toward the draw-bridge that you were elected to control.

Graphic by John Lohman

America’s debt has been moving straight up since the early 1980s.  In the beginning it was ok.  Debt is not, in itself, a bad thing, and a reasonable amount of leverage on the balance sheet can be positive for any entity, including the United States.  But we’re well past that threshold.  Researchers Reinhart and Rogoff, in their exhaustive recent work, This Time Is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly, show that, historically, when debt in an economy gets above .9x, or 90% of GDP, the interest burden creates a negative cycle from which nations struggle to recover.  If we include the unfunded liabilities we’ve committed to in order to support programs like Medicare and Social Security, the United States of America’s financial obligations represent 8.7x, or 871% of GDP, almost 10x the amount that Reinhart & Rogoff determined lead to ultimate economic failure.  In terms that are much easier to identify with, this comes to a debt of $1,386,340 for every family in the US!  When you consider the average family’s ability to pay, it all begins to rhyme with those 2007 no - doc mortgages, doesn’t it?    In fact, if the US was a corporation, we’d be in bankruptcy proceedings and you, kind sir, would be holding a pink slip, a legal summons, and a scrap of paper with Dick Fuld’s cell phone number on it for advice on staying out of jail – because the truth is that he is no more guilty than you, and you no less than him, and we can stop kidding ourselves whenever you’re ready.

But, politically, you ask… what can really be done?  After all it’s always the other guy.  You know, that, sniff - sniff…, mean congresswoman from a lunatic district who disagrees.  It’s her fault.  She doesn’t understand math.  And she’s just intractable.  Intractable!  She believes that America’s social contract (I can’t find that in the constitution… ) is more important than the critically important task of shooting Tomahawk missiles at other parents’ kids to support… uhhm… different kids that we don’t really know, in a war that’s only sort of, well... a war.  I mean, the nerve of that… woman.  And there are others like her.  And there’s an election coming up every two years.  A bigger one every four.  Wait… what in God’s name did that lunatic McCain just say?  … Anyway, progress is too much to expect, and after a couple years of trying, you just… roll with the punches… do what you can…  Right?

When it’s time for that morning look in the mirror, you tell yourself it’s harder than you thought.  Too much of it seems bigger than the promises you made to get there.  In the face of disagreement, in the thrall of tight votes and divided leadership, you simply can’t get it done the way you’d hoped.  So you parse the polls, you chase the cameras, you fondle your constituents, and you wonder what the view looks like from the upper chamber.  You ultimately retire to the lobbying job, with one hell of a pension, and live in a way that you despised before you realized what two kids in college, vacations in Europe, and a wife with a strappy Jimmy Choo habit would cost.  You’ve kicked the proverbial can down the road, and maybe you tell yourself that it’s all our political system will allow.  And so it goes.

Or you find your moment - that point of crisis when rare circumstances put the bat in your hand, and you have the leverage to make a change - the kind of change that’s identified by far more than a focus-grouped slogan; the kind that alters the course of history.  You can do it by simply standing firmly for the principles upon which you were elected.

To blame you for catastrophe, legislators first have to explain the rejection of an acceptable alternative.  Barack can load the teleprompter with the righteous indignation of his Father’s Dreams and level each syllable with a stage actor’s grace.  The senate can whine and Harry Reid will triangulate desperately toward that elusive line between patriotism and pandering, sensitivity and simpering, missing every second and third step along the way.    You’ll have to hold through the deluge because the bully pulpit wins the news cycle, but an administration bears the blame.  Deflecting reporters is a privilege of the political class, but a President is beholden to history.

Certainly you could play for a single; just get a runner on base and hope like hell that the relief pitcher isn’t as strong as he’s been for the last ten years.  You could pick and pry and get just enough to say you won; aim for destabilization in the next election, and keep looking for your next shot.  You could bunt something unintelligible and complicated enough to confuse the anchorman and the AARP, pick the flowers from the fertilizer, and beseechingly extend the mess into the camera lens.  You could head for the primrose path with a pension and the lobbying job, and wonder, in weak moments, what your grandparents would say about abdication of duty.

Or you could rise to the challenge and do something meaningful - something that would answer that cynical question, the one that is on the lips of a generation raised to mute sound bites and soapboxes with the bored sweep of a pointer finger, but whose votes elected this President.  Their question: What does any of it really mean?

If not now… when?  Whether you win the next election or not…whether the next news cycle gives you a boost or not….  Will you get this chance again?  The President is in a bind that no speech, no dog-wagging war, no bill, and no mindless populism can change.   His back is against the 2012 wall and this time the outcome is binary.  He knows it.  He absolutely has to have you help him raise the debt limit.

This is legacy stuff, and it doesn’t matter which side of the aisle you claim, so keep it simple.  Leave out the social invasions.  Stay out of bathrooms, bedrooms, churches, and doctor’s offices.  Cancel the earmarks and the garbage.  Skip the things that sound good but won’t work.  Shoot straight and don’t strut.  Do it early.  Do it clearly and forcefully, but respectfully, and explain it with logic that doesn’t require lies.  Deliver it in a way that leaves no doubt about your goals, your intent, or your resolve, and leave the cigars at home.  Let your most aesthetic, most intelligent, most media-savvy person front it, and limit the bill to one page.

Send the President a bill that says Federal debt, in all forms and definitions, must be less than 60% of GDP by 2016, less than 50% by 2020, and less than 40% by 2024, or, in each of those years, a bi-partisan group will cut Federal Funding at the strategic, and line item level, until the goal is met.  Furthermore, debt must stay below the benchmark thereafter, short of a Declaration of War or National Emergency supported by a two thirds vote of both houses of congress.  And in the case of temporary exception, anything over the maximum must receive the same two-thirds vote each year or immediately go back to the limit via the same committee.

Barack will not like this choice, and he will thrash and froth.  He’ll reload the teleprompter again and again in fiery waves of verbal and emotive genius that will make you question everything you believe, and, ultimately, your congressional reason d’être.  But, in the end, a solution he hates will be better than having his name on the first and only default in the history of the United States.

So plant your feet and point your finger at the bleachers.  Tell the President that you don’t intend to change a word because a default now is no different than a default later, and you’d rather see him get the credit.  Give him a clear choice and a good look at the filthy cesspool that lies in wait on the other side of the decision, and let him decide whether to court disaster.  Then take him to the wall.


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Fri, 04/29/2011 - 17:14 | 1222141 Dr. No
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Fri, 04/29/2011 - 17:30 | 1222164 Haywood Jablowme
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As I've said before, there is but only ONE hope.  The force is strong with this one...

*Junks courtesy of CONgress =P


Fri, 04/29/2011 - 22:26 | 1223027 wisefool
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I did not junk you. But if I did, I would have spent the time to expain why as follows:

[ ] I dont like you

[ ] I am sorry

[ ] He does not like you either.

[ ] This little trilion is not worth your time.

[ ] you'll be sorry

[ ] somebody will take you congressional seat to a pawn shop and sell it for $2k FRNs. Meanwhile a dude flew in a resuce helecopter and bagged a cross eyed queen.

-Warren buffet (a.k.a wisefool)

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 00:14 | 1223252 wisefool
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I junked you, and here is why. You have NO IDEA what it takes to make a silver coin ring. NO IDEA.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 05:15 | 1223495 Highrev
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So plant your feet and point your finger at the bleachers.

That's an America from a time gone by that won't be coming back even in the movies (mainly because I'll bet that more than 80% of Americans don't even know what he's referring to with that statement, and, obviously, that mentality just won't sell anymore - real greatness in America died long ago).

Forget it my friends. DEFAULT IS AMERICA'S FUTURE JUST AS SURE AS OBAMA IS ITS PRESIDENT. (And it won't end there - default will only be the beginning.)

Start getting out while you can.


Sat, 04/30/2011 - 09:33 | 1223691 ibjamming
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How true...we're nothing but spoiled, politically correct little girls...with the same sense of entitlement.


Go where?  Seriously...if America falls, everywhere is going to really suck.  My hope is all the poor and lazy go quickly and in a few months we can get on with things.  Leave the cities for sure...but the country? where?

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 09:54 | 1223720 PD Quig
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You're joking, right? The poor and lazy are going nowhere. They are going to wait until somebody comes along to take care of them again. When it doesn't happen, they are going to turn into roving gangs of marauders. There won't be enough bullets to take them out. No. Best head for the exits to where the poor are already used to their condition.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 10:37 | 1223831 ibjamming
ibjamming's picture the time they get to where I live...they'll be really thinned out.  No, I don't see roving bands...I see "Escape from NY" with barracades and armed guards keeping them contained.  They're already animals...they'll really live like one now.


I'm rural...farming and livestock all around.  We'll barter and hopefully they'll take some junk silver.  I've got 7 acres myself.  When "the city folk" all die of starvation, we'll begin anew.


Don't forget...ALL foreign countries get aid.  Even those poor will get poorer.  I'd rather stay here and get them all out quickly.  Our poor won't last the month without know it.


Actually, I think WW III is coming...the "war for oil".  The west is going to take back all those lands they gave away.  We've been paying them too much for too long.  We're re-negging the contract.  We're doing it smartly...we're letting the "common man" take over the government and either reinstalling our own again, of we'll strike when all the ME countries have weak new governments.  Once we have the oil fields's back to almost free energy and the prosperity it enables.  You watch...  I'd hate to be a Muzzy right now.  The set ups are done, Congressional hearing about fundamentalist Islam...cries of "The Communist Menace"  Europe bitching how they're taking the Jews were talked of before WWII.  It's the end of the year?  A swift takeover and unlimited oil would do wonders for the current administration...guaranteed reelection.  Great for a socialist state too with oil money coming in.  "Free" energy does wonders for an allows almost unlimited possibilities.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 19:00 | 1222511 In Fed We Trust
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Give me my money, my guns and my freeddom!

You keep the fucking CHANGE.


Fri, 04/29/2011 - 22:36 | 1223052 Dapper Dan
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Who are you and where do you come from?

Why don't you have more junks?


Fri, 04/29/2011 - 22:50 | 1223064 Texas Gunslinger
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I enter into this devil's den from the Kingdom of God, fully defended by the blood of Christ and his everlasting love, guidance and protection.  

NOTHING can deter me!


At some point in the life of an evangelical, he finds himself cornered by the devil's minions. This is my test, and I shall not fear, nor shall I waver!! This is my test before the Rapture begins!! My coin dealer may have sent me to this site, but the Lord brought me here for a reason.  


Fri, 04/29/2011 - 22:57 | 1223069 Quixotic_Not
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Jesus, you're delusional...

Go ahead and rapture yourself over to Ticker Forum, there's plenty of evangelical cultists over there, I'm sure you'll fit right in  ;-)

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 22:56 | 1223084 Bill the Cat
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Fri, 04/29/2011 - 22:58 | 1223091 Texas Gunslinger
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I don't know what that means, but if you are typing/speaking in tongues, be NOT afraid.  This is the Lord passing through you.  


Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:04 | 1223099 Worker Bee
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Religous troll is religous.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:16 | 1223123 Spastica Rex
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The persona is so obvious it loses all possible entertainment value.


(Directed at parent, not you, Bee)

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:27 | 1223139 Texas Gunslinger
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I'M NOT A TROLL. It makes no sense to be a religious troll on a precious metals site!

You simply don't understand the power of Christianity.  Spreading the word of Christ is not a two hour job, one day a week.  

For those who are truly God's children it is a 365/24/7 job.   

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:32 | 1223150 Spastica Rex
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That was a little better.



Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:38 | 1223165 TrueSkeptic
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"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit."
Sat, 04/30/2011 - 07:17 | 1223540 breezer1
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ts, my sentiments exactly. most people are shocked when they find out i am quite religous. a Christian. however when i hear someone else trying to save me i have only one question. what are they after? money? my ass? my vote? 

my little voice inside is my conscience and my body is my church. anyone preaching from the land of benny hind can't possibly be anything but a nut job. 

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 13:04 | 1224102 PlausibleDenial
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  1. Simply the truth....
Sat, 04/30/2011 - 00:02 | 1223222 topcallingtroll
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NO he is not a troll.

This man is a nutbag and really stupid too.


Please go away.  even the real trolls hate you now.

Your religious nuttery was funny once.  Now it is just awful.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 00:01 | 1223223 topcallingtroll
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Oh Texas gunslinger.  You and Jebus can both suck on my cock.

I am gonna Jizz on jebus's chin.  How do you like that?

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 04:17 | 1223472 Arkadaba
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Have you taken care of your dog:

Oh oh.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:27 | 1223148 Creepy Lurker
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All hail Odin.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 03:31 | 1223437 StychoKiller
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So sorry, but now you've revealed yourself to be either:

a.  Some sort of parody, or

b.  A rabid, delusional, child!

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 08:57 | 1223642 Clancy
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If you're serious about religion you should join a serious religion.  Evangelicalism is the daytime TV of Christianities.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 01:30 | 1223334 55 men
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I first felt kinda bad for you at the start but then you had that CEO comment and than this. I think you need to settle down a little.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 03:05 | 1223411 vxpatel
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whoa...i feel sorry for you, your father must have been nonexistent.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 07:38 | 1223560 Note to self
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So how come God is torching the shit out of Texas these days?

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 09:05 | 1223648 RicardoM from T...
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Tex, you ought to know better by now. All you have to do is quote Bible scripture to waken all the demons. Shame on you. Let them all sleep.

And...this ain't just a precious metal site. More like a counter revolution, anti-MSM (Main Stream Media) place they don't want to cite.


Sat, 04/30/2011 - 09:45 | 1223710 HumbleOpinion
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Thanks, Texas Gunslinger. I am here on ZH too and it is my best source for a daily dose of truth about the happenings in our world. God bless us all.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:08 | 1223114 blunderdog
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He is not real.  Plz ignore. 


Sat, 04/30/2011 - 00:16 | 1223257 McPoopypants
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God, I hope he IS real.

Also, ZH is a precious metal site now? fuuuu.....

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 02:17 | 1223368 Michael
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Your at the wrong site pal. If your looking for Jew/Israeli Ass Licking Central, then take a hike over to Huffington Post.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 07:27 | 1223546 Moe Howard
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He's an autobot that got pointed at the wrong url.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 22:46 | 1223061 Renfield
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I have no opinion on who Americans pick to lead their country and I'm not religious, but I remember this: "Jesus said, 'My kingdom is not of this world'." So there will never be a spiritually-led (Christian?) 'kingdom' (nation) - spirituality isn't political.

Today this is not about any one country, or any one religion - it's about an economic global group that pulls the strings of leadership in your country, mine, and in the Muslim middle east.

Religious differences large and small will continue to divide people until the end of time. But while that is happening, a global group of elites are busy robbing all of us blind - right now - Christians Muslims Buddhists and atheists. Today, this is about guarding your and your children's wealth, your future, from them while they want you distracted.

I agree that religion and spirituality are important for each individual, but groups of destitute peasants (without wealth and without power) fighting about their religious convictions is exactly what the global elite want.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 09:31 | 1223598 augie
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+ 9x10^infinity

@Tex, u should read the gospel of thomas or the gospel of judas. Might give you pause for thought and consider which "god" you are claiming to be in service of.. that is of course, if you "have ears to hear." Given the nature of your posts, it would seem you have your ears blocked with blasphemous bullshit.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 09:19 | 1223669 RicardoM from T...
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Religion is very important. It is a summation of our value and belief system, which is all balled up into our tiny little spirits.

No, it's not just about an economic global group that pulls the strings of leadership wherever they may be. I'm not denying they don't exist. They have always existed, even back to the ancient Pharoahs and Chinese Dynasties.

But, they all had a value and belief system all wrapped up into a tiny little spirit. It is the values and belief systems of those individuals that are the issue...which even ties into their religious beliefs. (Atheism or agnostisism are religions, too.) The problem with no organized religious philosophy is that the conscience is the only guide and limit to one's actions. (Even Marx sought to organize his philosophy into a writing. It was his religion.) There is no limit to what a conscience may do.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 09:19 | 1223670 RicardoM from T...
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Religion is very important. It is a summation of our value and belief system, which is all balled up into our tiny little spirits.

No, it's not just about an economic global group that pulls the strings of leadership wherever they may be. I'm not denying they don't exist. They have always existed, even back to the ancient Pharoahs and Chinese Dynasties.

But, they all had a value and belief system all wrapped up into a tiny little spirit. It is the values and belief systems of those individuals that are the issue...which even ties into their religious beliefs. (Atheism or agnostisism are religions, too.) The problem with no organized religious philosophy is that the conscience is the only guide and limit to one's actions. (Even Marx sought to organize his philosophy into a writing. It was his religion.) There is no limit to what a conscience may do.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 09:45 | 1223707 augie
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So you seek to "alienate" responsibility from your conscience in favor of a prescribed belief doctrine? No disrespect intended as I believe we are on the same team regarding this issue, however I would simply suggest that all one really has in this life is ones conscious and giving that up in favor of a ideological system is like going to the grocery store to buy food instead of planting and harvesting for yourself. By that example i simply mean there is something lost in organized religion that those who follow blindly without consulting their conscience (or as i like to think of it their heart) miss something deeper.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:01 | 1223066 Quixotic_Not
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I know that some of you won't like this, but it needs to be said:  we need to return our country to its Christian roots. sorry Charlie, that ship sailed several generations ago - In fact, the country was ESTABLISHED under NATURAL LAW, not the bible.

We did have a culture/society underpinned by Christian ethics & morals for a time...

God made men; Samuel Colt made them equal; and the (D) & (R) Free Shit Empire™ made them all criminals.

The GOPhers & DemonRATs have swilled at the tit of corruption & debauchery since long before we both were born; The Greatest Generation was the last chance to stop this global tyranny we now face, but alas they were in love with FDR and .GOV Issued (GI) uniforms...

We still have the illusion of liberty & prosperity, but for how long?...

P.S. I don't vote for Republicans -OR- Democrats, because I'm an AMERICAN and fully understand what this country was meant to be:

The state of nature has a law of nature to govern it, which obliges every one: and reason, which is that law, teaches all mankind, who will but consult it, that being all equal and independent, no one ought to harm another in his life, health, liberty, or possessions ~ John Locke 1690

Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience. ~ John Locke 1690

Wanna be an American?

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 05:40 | 1223505 dust to dust
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 Mr. John Locke. A history lesson. An influence in OUR forefathers libertarian foresight. To date Mr. Ron Paul. The time is now for fiscal responsibility.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 07:12 | 1223539 Crisismode
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But I thought Ron Paul was a happily-married man, and was not dating any more . . .?

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:16 | 1223127 contagiousNY
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I read ur comments yesterday- after you being mercilessly excoriated for spouting religiobabble that you would not bring up religion on this site? and other kinder ZHer's took u at ur word and let up on you. SO YOU LIED?!!! you now deserve every bit of the thrashing, simpering idjit.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 00:04 | 1223231 KinorSensase
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Well TG, you've picked an interesting jihad.  Please recall Jesus and the money changers, and consider the sword instead of the pen.  I'd say there's about enough of you God-pushers to cancel out pretty well the forces of the Empire.  Once you 2 are done with each other, the rest of us will just kind of do our thing.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 03:52 | 1223410 chalcedonite
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I did not junk you but I think you're doctrine is a bit off.  

"If this country had its heart with the Lord, there would be no violence, no subprime disasters, no ponzis, no theft and deception, no adultery, ..."

Because man's will is to always choose evil... (read Luther's: Bondage of the Will) Crime will always be there until... But Christ came to renew the covenant... like on Sinai he gave His laws again on the Sermon on the Mount.  These laws are to establish justice (righteousness) with His triune gracious help!  His WILL be done.  

St. Augustine knew that when man turns to their own form of justice, as in the Roman empire, then it is as naught.  A land without justice is a band of robbers (a criminal syndicate).

"we need to return our country to its Christian roots."   roots? no.  The root of Jesse? yes.  That ROOT is our Triune God in all His fullness sanctifying throughout creation, the Sacraments, and in every word that proceeds from His mouth.

Venite, exultemus Domino.

O COME, let us sing unto the LORD; * let us heartily rejoice in the strength of our salvation.
Let us come before his presence with thanksgiving; * and show ourselves glad in him with psalms.
For the LORD is a great God; * and a great King above all gods.
In his hand are all the corners of the earth; * and the strength of the hills is his also.
The sea is his, and he made it; * and his hands prepared the dry land.
O come, let us worship and fall down, * and kneel before the LORD our Maker.
For he is the Lord our God; * and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand.
O worship the LORD in the beauty of holiness; * let the whole earth stand in awe of him.
For he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth; * and with righteousness to judge the world, and the peoples with his truth.

Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost;
As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen. 

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 04:29 | 1223480 Arkadaba
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sorry fuck off

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 07:59 | 1223571 mr.smooth
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Amen Brother!!!!  Well stated.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 22:05 | 1222982 Quixotic_Not
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Sending a letter to the (D) & (R) Free Shit Empire™ is like winning the Special Olympics -- You may feel better about yourself, but the game is still retarded...

The only vote that means shit in 2011, is voting with your capital and buying PMs!

No other actions will send the message...

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 22:32 | 1223038 Logans_Run
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Some folks be junkin ya there Aggie!

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 10:32 | 1223815 ISEEIT
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Few, if any, are likely to read the link I am about to provide (let alone this comment). I realize that and yet feel compelled to submit it anywho (he-he).

In tribute and support to Marla and Tyler (tylers?).

You are not wasting your time and the future may owe you karma enough to be happy in all.

Seriously, this is good and worth the 5 minutes to digest.

Its all about timelines. What if you actually did elicit meaning of your life via making reality more benificial for the granddaughter or greatgrandson that you have not yet met?

Isn't that really the well distilled meaning and purpose of life?

I understand, maybe not. Maybe it is just all about some 'rush', some competition that we hope to place above the mean in?

Again I urge you to consider timelines.

I also urge you, if you have read this posting from a Zh lover that if you have not already done so, seek out Marla. Have a review of "Farcism" and discover how presient she was.

It's no wonder she doesn't play with us anymore.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 15:51 | 1224363 MrBinkeyWhat
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Sorry gang, Prez Nixon was the first to default in 1971, when he "closed the gold window" proving the $ was worthless.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 17:15 | 1222144 redpill
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The only way we can cut that much is to cull Social Security and Medicare substantially.  It doesn't matter who is President, I don't think Congress has the balls to do it.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 17:32 | 1222220 duo
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How about this:  You get Medicare or Social Security, but not both.

Choose wisely.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 18:01 | 1222332 SilverBaron
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How about choosing even wiser and cutting defense.  Bring all troops home, and close all bases.  Use volunteer militias and our nuclear deterrent for defense. Then consider what else to cut.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 18:09 | 1222359 duo
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That only solves 10% of the problem.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 19:23 | 1222576 Spastica Rex
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Then fire all the teachers, send the foreigners hoome, and put the childrens to work doing the foreigners' jobs -- for free.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 20:00 | 1222694 The Fonz
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I know MY children will be working for free, and they will like it! I have begun whipping them every day for random things so that they will be well adjusted for their place in the world we are creating for them. It's best not to let them experience hope, a mercy really.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 20:16 | 1222733 theopco
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the Dosadi approach

good thinking

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 19:30 | 1222597 The Navigator
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According to, (the known) military expenses are $696Billion - just a guess but I'd wager it's over $1Trillion this year; that's a bit over 10%.

Cutting the Military Industrial Complex should be part of the 'shared' burden.

No need to junk, this will never happen anyway.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 20:14 | 1222729 Re-Discovery
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Bombing shit is our country's main core competency.  Our military its best export.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 21:45 | 1222942 High Plains Drifter
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that is called the department of defense.  they are protecting our rights.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 21:47 | 1222955 Dr. Impossible
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hmmm...gave me a wierd thought....what if Obama IPO's the Army, Navy, Airforce, and Marines...

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 00:16 | 1223251 i-dog
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Too late! ... they've already been donated to TPTB.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 22:44 | 1223063 MisterAmbassador
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At least you realize there is no realistic solution.  The only possible outcome here is major, catastrophic, unstoppable economic/political collapse.  At least the world will fall with us - globalization.

I liked this quote from the "Things that make you go hmmm..." on 24 April 2011

"I feel like we are in the Jurassic Park movie, seeing the water glasses on the dashboard shaking, with the heavy footfalls of T-Rex and the sounds of its breathing moving around us in the night.  We just do not know which direction it is coming from, and where it is going..."

I imagine it's going towards WWIII.  Celente's latest Trends Journal is quite intriguing.

Actually, a good World War that killed off at least 80% of the world's population and leveled most major cities would be a great way to restart - like after WWII (population wasn't unsustainable then).  America just hadn't been developed yet, and Europe had to buy from us to rebuild.

(Contrary to Krugman's views - you can't just build aircraft carriers and sink them to jump start the economy, not when there are scarce resources.  Anyone else here who would get a kick out of punching Krugman in the mouth?)

Unfortunately or fortunately depending on how you look at it, a world war today would be over and settled within the hour.  If it happens, just go out and watch the flash.  You wouldn't want to survive that.

Celente also discussed how the Chinese had about 50 projects in Libya...  I didn't realize that.  Apparently, Chinese companies have lost several hundred million yuan on deals that they had with Gaddafi.  I guess Russia has deals over there too.  Gaddafi wouldn't play nice with us, though, and has actively denounced us.  Not one of our dictators, so he had to go.

You know, though...  imagine if we held trillions in Soviet debt and could have collapsed them just buy selling it...  I hope no one from China gets any ideas...

Beware the Red Dragon...

The world is fucking insane.  Nothing makes sense anymore (if it ever really did).  If you think about it, the human condition is really absurd.

Perhaps the Universe didn't create life.  Perhaps life created the Universe.  Perhaps you are all just part of my grand illusion...

Friday night.  Time to get retarded.  Time to Pretend -

Eat, drink, and be merry, for tomorrow we all die.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 18:17 | 1222387 Gold 36000
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Yes, cut that too.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 19:05 | 1222532 sleepingbeauty
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What I can't understand is why is medicare so expensive in the states. On another of the blogs I read, US per capita spending on medicare and private health insurance is about double what it is in countries where there is free health care. I don't know how they normalized for the different currencies or anything like that but I was shocked.

The other stat that further confounds the situation is that American's life expectancy is lower than countries with universal health care. Maybe the people who are not eligible for medicare and don't have private insurance bring the life expectancy down??

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 19:24 | 1222578 Spastica Rex
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Insurance companies and pharma companies gotta eat. Well.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 19:32 | 1222608 blunderdog
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It's not complicated, actually.  Medicine is a big industry here, but only a TINY percentage of the population can afford to pay their own way for it.  So we subsidize our most expensive treatments and technologies for everyone over 65.  Because many Americans don't have much to spend on discretionary treatment while they're younger, the care-providers often have to grab every potential source of revenue from the older patients with government writing the checks to keep afloat.

This gives us a medical infrastructure that permits some pretty incredible stuff, and treats a large number of people with outrageously expensive technology, but doesn't necessarily apportion services so rationally.

Every once in awhile, someone who is going to be dead in a year of emphysema gets a $70,000 artificial hip. 

You know, stuff like that.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 20:10 | 1222719 SRV - ES339
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You are right, it's not complicated... the USA is the only country in the world with for profit health-care, and it ranks far down the list on quality and results. Those in government that demonize single payer are lying, and are bought and paid for by those that profit from the current system... those that fall for it (most) are sheep, being fleeced by the usual suspects.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 20:35 | 1222788 blunderdog
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Might want to rein in the rhetoric just a tad, but I'd be inclined to agree that there's nothing we could do to make the existing system more corrupt.

I lean more in the direction of ditching all government involvement in the industry than government-run single-payer, but that's only because I'm not really interested in keeping government around, anymore.

Either way would be far better than this fascist bloodbath we've got going.  It's just madness.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:21 | 1223129 RockyRacoon
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Hell, everybody is getting a healthy junking here so I might as well take my medicine (pun intended).

It's not who is going to pay for the aspirin, it's what the aspirin costs that is the problem.   So long as the gov't is picking up the tab (with no negotiated lower rates and little competition) the aspirins will cost more, and more, and more....

Until the entire thing collapses.   I'm ready for that.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:32 | 1223153 blunderdog
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The government pays for industrial malinvestment.  Whether this malinvestment is to aeronautics, electronics, or bio-med really doesn't matter so much.

The downside to the malinvestment is onerous taxation and neglect of infrastructure critical to the benefit of the population.  There is an upside, though, in *most* cases.  Certain technological research which is the beneficiary of the government induced spending bubble can achieve gains which would not have been achieved otherwise.

I'd suggest that the fundamental problem of our malinvestment of about the past 25 years is that it has almost entirely bubbled into non-productive industry.  Financial engineering, whether through banking or insurance or investment services, produces no improvement in human knowledge or ability to manipulate real physical resources.  It is completely zero-sum, and serves only to shift balance of "standard of living" between different groups.

At least when we were malinvesting in the Space-Race, we ended up with aluminum foil.

Oh, well.  Maybe someone will get it right next time around.  Assuming it's not a one-shot deal.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 01:25 | 1223330 Spastica Rex
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Is it maybe not the cost but the bennefit? Not who pays, but who gets, and how much?

I junked you.

Just kidding.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 20:14 | 1222727 Bill D. Cat
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Anyone who uses the term free health care needs a serious punch in the junk .

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 20:21 | 1222756 sleepingbeauty
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Okay, publicly funded health care.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 07:19 | 1223541 Zardinuk
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lol free health care, that sounds great how long is the line to get it?

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 03:41 | 1223445 StychoKiller
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The US Govt is Subsidizing Health care for the elderly and the poor -- think about what happens when you subsidize something:  "Economics in One Lesson", ISBN:  978-0-517-54823-3, by Henry Hazlitt

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 17:33 | 1222221 DeadFred
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Too late.  A couple years ago this might have worked but there is no hope to overcome the inertia.  We're 20 feet from the cliff doing 90 mph and we should put on the brakes?  Just sit back and enjoy the view on the way down, it's going to be quite a ride.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 18:13 | 1222379 SilverIsKing
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You get it.  There's no turning back so you need to be prepared for the coming events.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 18:45 | 1222477 DeadFred
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That is the $64,000 question though what are the coming events?  Some seem clear like the collapse of the dollar but the other events???

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 18:52 | 1222498 Gold 36000
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Just watch what happens to Greece over the next ten years if they don't allow a default.  That is what he is talking about with "other events."

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 18:55 | 1222503 Caviar Emptor
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Yup again. When things go to the brink there will be more unpredictability, not less. Lots of opportunities for malfeasance 

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 21:17 | 1222900 johnnynaps
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It's happening already! Can you afford an operation without healthcare benefits? As good jobs disappear along with the bennies, no one will be able to afford a colonoscopy amongst other procedures.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 10:50 | 1223861 pops
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1. Sell everything and convert it to PM and quit your job.

2. Bury the PM and tell no one about it.

3. Dress from the Goodwill store.

4. Apply for SNAP and every other gov't handout you can think of.

5. Look poor and destitute.

6. Get free healthcare at any ER.

7. On weekends, dig up a few Eagles, cash them on the sly and fly off to Vegas for a bender.

8. On Monday, dress in your rags, spend your SNAPs, and resume looking broke.

If enough do this, the system will collapse even sooner than the crooks counted on, and just think of the taxes you will not have to pay.


Sat, 04/30/2011 - 00:27 | 1223270 KinorSensase
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I'm reading Dimitri Orlov's Reinventing Collapse.  Toward the end he brings up the chelnoki.  I've been preparing for a barter economy and slowly accumulating simple things that will be very important when the low inventory of cheap, rapidly degrading consumer goods quickly dries up.  Not the same exact style as the chelnoki, but I'm making a list and checking it twice. 

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 11:36 | 1223969 j.darkness
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Yep...i think similarily to you kinorsensase, here is a partial 750 ml rum, whisky, vodka.  blankets, bicycles /tools / parts, cans of tobacco, soap, lighters, sun oven, knives, axes, shovels, seeds, fertilizer, small sections of threaded metal pipe,  bullets, silver coin, slingshots / shot, water purifiers, flashlights, batteries c-123, paper /pencil, ziplock bags, trash bags, tarps, rope, tents, tent stakes, sleeping bags, backpacks, snow shoes for us northerners, wheelbarrows, shoes, durable clothes, laminated pages of necessary useful info, short wave radio transmitter/ receiver, mirrors, lasers, gas masks, bullet proof shields (like the police crowd control, clear polycarbonate, general medicine, wound treatment, potassium iodide, bow and arrow, knife sharpening stone...  want to start a new line of barter supply stores?  pack all this shit into a trailer and sell the trailer as part of the "ready to barter survival kit!" 

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 18:56 | 1222500 Caviar Emptor
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Yup. And it's not just momentum. It's the fact that even those who will profess to "solve the debt crisis" are likely to do so in ways that protect their cut of the pie, but not yours. When things get this ugly, people tend to fight over the crumbs that are left rather than unite. That would take a true leader. 

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 20:01 | 1222689 Long-John-Silver
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Yes. Default is inevitable. Those prepared can profit, all others will be dead or slaves.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 21:44 | 1222944 High Plains Drifter
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but, but , but leo said we would never default. no way jose.....

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 17:40 | 1222251 dogismyth
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oh screw that...its so old-fashioned.  How about we just line up all those over 60 at the Grand Canyon rim and shoot'em dead.  I'm sure they'll be asking for volunteers to make this program a success if you're interested.  And to justify the US govt continued sales of weapons to the Mexican drug cartel, we can use the cartel folks along with our well equiped military to do the executions.  I hear Israeli IDF soldiers will be first in the "volunteer" line if we maintain our foreign aid to them and continued the trillion dollar wars to make the MidEast a democracy just like Israel.  There might be an extended opportunity to use these 60+ folks for cleanup detail at nuclear plants across the globe.  They are expendable after all, and not too bright...ya know. 



Fri, 04/29/2011 - 18:45 | 1222469 Dugald
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Waul kid, this here 77 year old, ex military, old coot, will be shooting right back. Prepare for collateral damage before I do down.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 18:56 | 1222502 Gold 36000
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We don't need to fight.  Just don't get mad when your check doesn't clear.  You do understand that we should not enslave the children with debt don't you?

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 18:57 | 1222509 Caviar Emptor
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Just keep in mind that "greed is good" led directly to our current problem. Greed by definition robs the future in favor of the moment. Greed means 'I want it all and I want it now!"

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 19:04 | 1222527 Gold 36000
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That is the motto of the AARP

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 19:10 | 1222536 Caviar Emptor
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It was the watchword of the 1980s and it's still the motto of supply-siders everywhere.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 19:28 | 1222584 Spastica Rex
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But.... but... AYN RAND!

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 20:07 | 1222715 Argonaught
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Rand never espoused "greed" as you are defining the term.  That is what her detractors claim because they struggle with how to combat the idea of people getting to actually keep what they EARN (the opposite side of which is --- people that don't earn don't get).

To illustrate her arguments, Rand used characters that those who oppose her have characterized as robber barons and fat-cat tycoons, but they were nothing of the sort.  

Rand didn't wish for what America has become since the late 80's.  She is spinning in her grave screaming "I warned you!", while others who don't read her actual words try to push further away from the solution by continuing the mistakes of the last 3 decades.  


Fri, 04/29/2011 - 20:33 | 1222780 Spastica Rex
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Ayn Rand was a pop philosopher -- like Dr. Phil. She was a much nattier dresser, I'll give her credit for that.

There was this guy who wrote fictionalized, hypothetical "philosophy" books back a few years ago. "Battlefield Earth" was very entertaining, at least as entertaining as  "The Fountainhead." I think he made his real money starting a for-profit cult or something.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 20:41 | 1222799 Argonaught
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You brought her up (although incorrectly crediting her) out of the blue.  She clearly made an impact on you.

Attempting to discredit Rand because you didn't find her efforts entertaining is like dropping Einstiens work because he got some letters out of order.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 20:55 | 1222840 Spastica Rex
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I'm disecrediting her because her philisophical constructs were shaky at best. That doesn't mean she was wrong. L. Ron Hubbard might be right, too. Tom Cruise sure thinks so. I've read a lot of science fiction, and Ayn Rand wouldn't rank in the top half of what I've read (neither would Hubbard) in terms of impact. Now Philip K. Dick -- he was an author!

Einstein was a physicist, not a meta-physicist, so that analogy is somewhat dubious.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 22:10 | 1222999 The Profit Prophet
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Ayn Rand is very likely rotting in hell as we speak (although I've been taught not to judge, therefore the "likely" qualification). Her temptations of righteous selfishness were obviously too seducing for the weak minded "Greenspans" of the world to resist, which resulted in her immoral philosophy making a direct contribution to the pending financial collapse.  How does one argue with a philosophy that has "name-calling" at its core - "It goes against reason to believe in God, therefore those who believe in God must be mentally inferior" (my precis).  Her idiot philosophy has been growing like a cancer for decades now, with Bill Maher being the latest and most vocal idiot-disciple.

When the system finally collapses, it will be the anti-charitable Randianesque atheists who contributed more than most to the immoral financial stew that brought it down.  Morality cannot exist in a Godless environment, and ethics cannot exist without morality. Those who profess that Rand is turning in her grave over our present situation are the blind fools who don't understand the nature of evil.  Just like Greenspan who couldn't believe that a free market would take self-destructive risks, Rand would have no logical answer for the financial travesty she helped create. Like all atheists, Rand had no defense for the evil that infiltrated her thought processes and her see, you have to "believe" in the existence of evil in order to have any defense against it! To deny the existence of God is to deny the existence of evil, which allows evil to infiltrate those (like Rand) who allowed themselves to be corrupted by the power of their own intellect. All forms of power corrupt - including intellectual power, which allows fools to conclude that the concept of God is illogical. 

T.E.I.N. everyone!      

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 22:18 | 1223009 Spastica Rex
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Her philosophical conclusions (certainly implications) might be termed "anti-Christian," I reckon. The "Invisible Hand" is just another god, after all.


Fri, 04/29/2011 - 22:34 | 1223039 ViewfromUnderth...
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you are completely fucking nuts.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 22:35 | 1223047 Spastica Rex
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And you are completely fucking worthless.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:33 | 1223152 Texas Gunslinger
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No one is worthless in the eyes of God.  Obviously the devil is firmly entrenched in you, and that is why you responded so harshly to me above.

I will pray for you. 


Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:35 | 1223164 Spastica Rex
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Hey, buddy. I'm going to be your friend.

Thanks for the prayers!


Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:53 | 1223214 topcallingtroll
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I worship Bob. 


Someone gave you away and I looked it up just to be sure.

I am a subgenius.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:07 | 1223104 The Profit Prophet
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More must be a Randian!

Please enlighten us oh great one...

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:27 | 1223142 Spastica Rex
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I'm a sinner too, but name calling is common among the Randroids. Oops, I did it again. I think Rand saw the destruction of competing personalities as a noble goal for the Übermensch.


Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:53 | 1223209 TrueSkeptic
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" Morality cannot exist in a Godless environment, and ethics cannot exist without morality."    

Absolute garbage.  The Christian system of religion is an outrage on common sense.


Sat, 04/30/2011 - 00:11 | 1223240 Spastica Rex
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It's not garbage. I disagree with the statement too, but atheism is just another faith based conceit.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 00:12 | 1223244 blunderdog
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Bullshit.  "Atheism" is the lack of a claim, *not* the positivist claim that there is no god. 

It takes zero faith to claim nothing.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 00:25 | 1223266 Spastica Rex
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God, not-God; it's all just metaphysics. Metaphysics used to be called the "Queen of the Sciences." Not anymore. Are you confusing agnostic with atheist? Common mistake. I've heard atheits scream bloody murder when that distinction is brought up. Atheists cry like babies.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 00:31 | 1223276 blunderdog
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No, actually, I suspect you might be.

Agnosticism is a plea of ignorance of the meaning of the word "god."  See Thomas Huxley, who invented the term.

Atheism is "non-theism." There is a sub-branch of atheism which is properly called "positivistic atheism" which asserts the non-existence of god.

These things matter because even today, some folks study history and philosophy and see value in precision of thought and language.  I value education, and suggest that if we don't work to understand where we came from, we're never going to get anywhere.  Idiocracy is not a foregone conclusion.

Don't be part of the problem.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 00:43 | 1223290 Spastica Rex
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That was marginally better than simply calling bullshit.

This reminds me of a highschool debate where the spotty nerds shout at each other: "DEFINE YOUR TERMS!"

Me part of the problem? 


Oh, and look up the word "gnosis."

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 11:27 | 1223954 blunderdog
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Not really catching the gnosis reference. Not so good.

An atheist may well have had a gnostic experience and believe he understands the meaning of "god."

Sloppy, dude.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 00:37 | 1223285 TrueSkeptic
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Thanks for noting the distinction between agnostics and atheists!   But I must say, I haven't ever heard of anyone equating atheists to cry babies...what a laugh.  Faithers on the other hand....




Sat, 04/30/2011 - 01:03 | 1223313 Spastica Rex
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Sat, 04/30/2011 - 03:50 | 1223456 StychoKiller
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Evil is knowing the difference between right and wrong, yet choosing to do the wrong, no matter how many other people it hurts -- maybe even taking some sort of perverse pleasure in inflicting the pain!  God need not enter the equation, but it was certainly easier to dissuade folks from doing evil things when they knew that the possibility of eternal damnation awated them.

The Golden rule is not just a good idea.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 08:40 | 1223619 The Profit Prophet
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Your definition of evil falls pathetically short.  Evil is not about choosing "to do the wrong". Everyone chooses to do wrong at various points in their lives - sometimes daily, but everyone isn't evil. Evil seeks the moral and physical destruction of mankind, and we are closer to this end than at any point in history.  There are those who's teachings and philosophies have helped move society away from virtue and towards evil. Ayn Rand is such a person.

To state that evil has nothing to do with the existence of God is perhaps the silliest thing I've read on this site in months!

T.E.I.N. everyone!  

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 22:11 | 1223003 stirners_ghost
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I'm betting dollars to donuts that you haven't the ability nor the inclination to logically deconstruct her "shaky philosophical constructs" for the class.

Languid, superficial swipes are just too easy.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 22:24 | 1223016 Spastica Rex
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Oh, please -- like the deconstruction hasn't been done a hundred times before. What a trivial comeback. Talk about languid. Go read the rebuttals, and the counter rebuttals, and the counter counter rebuttals. You've read it already, right, and dismissed it. How disengenuous to challenge me to do it again, as though I would have any chance to change your mind. Take the evidence, or choose your position on faith, or whatever. Believe whatever you want; I'm an anarchist -- I don't care.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 21:18 | 1222897 John_Coltrane
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"I think he made his real money starting a for-profit cult or something."  You might want to first get her gender right and then try reading one of her books-you might learn something beyond your trite observations.  But the parasitic, second rate class always chooses the "free lunch (or healthcare)", just like Toohey.

Question?  What is the second best selling book of all time?  Answer: Atlas Shrugged.

Rands characters are ideals representing the central idea that man defines the meaning of his life through his work, his accomplishments, and no one has the right to the fruits of those accomplishment but himself.  This is a profound-not trivial idea.  Rands characters are simply competent.  Merit and talent are the sole criteria for value.  The modern expression of the Rand philosopy is simply, "just do it"!  And sound money, backed by gold is the only viable financial system.  Her dislike of bankers and lawyers is apparent from the lack of such parasitic professions in any of her novels while her featuring engineers and scientists as central characters reflect her values.   These the central tenets of the liberatarian view.  


Fri, 04/29/2011 - 22:01 | 1222983 Spastica Rex
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Yeah, the "he" I was referring to was L. Ron Hubbard. I was being droll. You know, Dianetics sold well, too. I'm sure Ayn Rand would see that as a testimony to its value.

"By their fruits shall you know them" - That's from the best selling book of all time, I think.

Xians, Randroids, Scientoligists: they all have their great books.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 03:58 | 1223463 StychoKiller
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Do something moral then, alleviate some suffering:

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 19:33 | 1222605 takinthehighway
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"This was only secondarily a colonization, it was a huge rat race after wealth, a fierce, dog-eat-dog struggle to get yours before the others did. It was a fantastic, grandiose, brutal fight for wealth, the fiercest tide of greed that ever swept across the continent, and the end was not yet. There could be no end until the land was left a desert, raped and looted by a people who too often built only for now and never for tomorrow."

Louis L'Amour, "Westward The Tide"

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 21:46 | 1222952 High Plains Drifter
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you will shut up when they tell you to shut up and you will act right, when they tell you to act right or

they will stop sending you , your social security check, and your military retirement check.


see, freedom and liberty can be expensive. no offense, but they really don't care too much about you.  you are bought and paid for and they know it.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 12:22 | 1224047 buzzard
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A better idea is to line up all those between 20 and 50 and shoot them. After all they are the most energetic and most likely to get us all in trouble.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 17:51 | 1222287 Lets_Eat_Ben
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I'll give up my right to Social Security and Medicare. I'll continue to pay without expecting anything in return.

That's how you kill entitlement programs.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 17:55 | 1222306 redpill
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Incremental opt-out, it's the way to go.  But the slugs in DC will never go for it.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 18:20 | 1222407 Gold 36000
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Drop out of the official economy like they did in Spain, Portugal, and Greece.  The youth have no delusions about their future in those countries.  They have been told to pay a lot of taxes so their elders can enjoy retiring at 50, but the youth know that there will be no retirement for them.  They are not stupid. They have all gone Galt or work in the underground economy for cash and don't pay taxes. There is a real cynicism when older people vote for debt that young people cannot challenge because they are too young to vote.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 18:13 | 1222376 DeltaDawn
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I will opt out, but will not continue to pay in. They can sell their federal lands, mineral rights, etc. to pay the current recipients.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:10 | 1223111 Bicycle Repairman
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There are some here who want to kick grandma to the curb.  They think they'll be able to stop paying SS taxes.  I got bad news for you bitchez.  They'll kick granny to the curb alright, but you'll keep paying and still get nothing.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:44 | 1223189 topcallingtroll
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And your solution is to pile on the debt so that children today who can't even vote have to pay for it later?

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 00:25 | 1223267 redpill
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That's been the game plan so far, and I don't see these prickfaces changing the game plan, do you?

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 19:00 | 1222515 Caviar Emptor
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Who says that the money you give up will go to "the children"? Most likely it'll pay for more bailouts which are really under the table bonus payments for hookers on the weekend

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 19:27 | 1222595 Spastica Rex
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Austerity is for the suckers.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 20:53 | 1222837 Mercury
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Now there's a t-shirt.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 07:34 | 1223555 arnogn143
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+10  Well played!

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 17:57 | 1222300 duncecap rack
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What about the military? You guys have too much capital tied up in that stuff. And I think you must raise taxes. It can't be done without that.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 18:00 | 1222329 redpill
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Of course it can be done without tax increases.  People won't like it, but it can be done.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 18:08 | 1222368 Lets_Eat_Ben
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This is a controlled demolition. Just like the towers, America is being imploded to further the agenda.

Raise taxes...get a clue

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 18:17 | 1222393 Gold 36000
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Did you see the CBO estimated tax rates to continue to pay off our promises through 2040?  The CBO estimated that 70 percent of all earned income would have to go toward the Federal Budget.  Raising taxes will not cut it.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 19:02 | 1222523 Caviar Emptor
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PLease keep in mind: only 50% of eligible US taxpayers actually pay any tax. The trouble is that the tax base has been reduced to a tiny core of the most productive people, with a skew toward the middle class and away from the truly wealthy. 

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 20:07 | 1222716 mrhonkytonk1948
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Repeat after me: "Income tax, income tax, income tax."  That 50% still to some degree pays sales tax, gas tax, SS and Medicare tax, property tax, phone tax, etc etc.  Get tired of hearing this 50% pay no tax crap.

Fri, 04/29/2011 - 23:34 | 1223158 topcallingtroll
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That bottom 50 percent still gets a lot more out of social security and medicare/medicaid than they ever put in the system.  They live in shitty houses and pay minimal real estate taxes so their kids get more education than that 50 percent pays for.

Don't give me some line of bull that the bottom 50 percent is somehow paying their way.

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 00:10 | 1223239 LaLiLuLeLo
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+ free laptops


sick twisted little country we got here. Is it bad I get a warm fuzzy feeling watching it burn

Sat, 04/30/2011 - 01:37 | 1223340 Spastica Rex
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They taste like chicken.

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