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The Liberation Controversy?

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Via Pension Pulse.

It's been exactly one year since I wrote about an exciting but controversial treatment for Multiple Sclerosis (MS), called the Liberation treatment.
A lot has happened in a year, and I think it's important to share some
of my thoughts with you. Please feel free to relay the information back
to anyone you know who has MS.

Let me begin with the tragedy that happened a month ago. CBC reports, Lack of follow-up deplored after MS death:

Some
Canadians who've left the country for a controversial multiple
sclerosis treatment remain frustrated by what they consider a lack of
medical support after an Ontario man died following the procedure.

 

CBC
News reported Thursday that Mahir Mostic, 35, of St. Catharines died
on Oct. 19, one day after doctors in Costa Rica tried to dissolve a
blood-clot complication following the vein-opening procedure.

 

He
first went to the Central American country in June to have a mesh stent
inserted to prop open a vein in his neck in hopes it would relieve
symptoms of his fast-moving form of MS.

 

But after Mostic returned to Canada, his MS became worse and a blood clot formed around the stent.

 

Dr.
Marcial Fallas of Clinica Biblica in San Jose, who cared for Mostic
both times, thinks the powerful medication used to dissolve the clot
triggered internal bleeding.

 

Fallas
said he has performed the procedure 300 times, but Mostic's was the
only time he used a stent. On Friday, Fallas said he wouldn't try a
stent again unless it is proven to work specifically in neck veins.

Stents are approved for use in arteries, not veins.

 

When Mostic was in Costa Rica, Edmonton resident Betty Taylor was in Bulgaria getting a stent to open up her left jugular vein.

 

Taylor said she felt better after the procedure but that the effects didn't last and she's having trouble walking again.

 

Taylor
said she was unable to get a referral to a Canadian specialist for the
procedure and went abroad aware of the risks she faced.

 

"I was told that no, I would not get a referral because the doctor would be thrown in jail," Taylor said.

 

Like Mostic, Taylor's stent is now blocked. Over the weekend, she's going to the U.S. to have the vein opened again.

 

In
offering her condolences to Mostic's friends and family, Health
Minister Leona Aglukkaq noted seven Canadian trials are underway to
determine whether blocked veins are linked to MS.

 

"How can a
doctor know what they're looking for, or how to treat without that
information or the scientific evidence that is required to move
forward?" Aglukkaq asked reporters in Ottawa.

 

Mostic's death
points to the need for clinical trials in Canada and a registry of
people who've had the treatment, said Liberal MP Kirsty Duncan.

 

Last
month, Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall announced $5 million in funding
for clinical trials in the province that aim to answer whether the
procedure is safe and if it works.

 

While Wall did not endorse the surgery, nor did he dismiss the hopes of MS patients seeking it.

"We deserve to lead in finding them some answers either way on it," Wall said.

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The
death of any patient is a tragedy. Speaking with my friends and family
who are trained physicians, stents are risky business, even in arteries,
let alone veins which are much more fragile. The actual testing that
goes on with medical devices is nowhere near as exhaustive as drug
trials. Also, it is important to remember that Dr. Zamboni's theory and
his own procedures never involved stents, only balloon angioplasty to
open up blocked veins.
Moreover, you will get all sorts of accounts on this treatment. Some have reported priceless relief from MS symptoms:
There's hope for the 75,000 Canadians suffering from multiple sclerosis. Outside of Canada, that is. I know it because I've experienced it. Or, rather, my wife, Tracy, has. She walked out of a medical clinic in Albany, New York, three weeks ago following a 40-minute procedure with a brighter outlook on the world and her future.

Her eyesight was sharper. The main symptoms of her MS -- the fatigue and vertigo which have forced her to sleep two hours every afternoon for the past nine years -- have all but disappeared. Yes, it cost us thousands of dollars to go cross-border shopping for health, but gaining back two hours every day? Priceless.

If you know anyone with MS, and Canada has one of the highest rates of the disease in the world, you've probably heard similar stories to ours.

People who are travelling the globe in search of the procedure that's unavailable here, often cobbling together money from friends, family and neighbours for the trek. To Poland. Mexico. Costa Rica. Bulgaria. Italy. Kuwait. Jordan. India. California. Or like us, to Albany.

Most have reported improvements. Some modest. Some remarkable. Patients formerly confined to wheelchairs are taking steps again. MS sufferers who couldn't previously walk long distances are now jogging. Warmth and sensitivity have returned to hands and feet. Energy levels have spiked.

Other patients have reported horror stories, even regretting their decision to undergo this treatment:
One month after receiving the “liberation therapy” he had hoped would loosen the debilitating grip of multiple sclerosis on his life, Jamie McGowan was still racked with pain and felt like a ticking time bomb.

He feared one of four stents inserted into veins in his neck at a hospital in India could come loose and launch into his heart, or that an accidental blow might drive one of them into his brain.

“If anyone ever said ‘we'll need to do this again' . . . I would never do it, never,” says McGowan, who as a fan of body piercing could not be counted among the squeamish. “I would never go through that pain again.”

So what's the answer? Should MS patients
be spending thousands of dollars to undergo the liberation therapy? I
wish I could tell you yes or no, but from what I've heard from people
who have undergone this procedure, doctors told them about 1/3 of the
patients report marked improvements, 1/3 marginal improvements and 1/3
no improvements whatsoever (and this regardless of age, gender or
disease progression).

This may not sound promising but if you're
part of that 1/3 who experienced marked or even marginal improvements,
then the procedure is indeed worth the cost. This underscores the need
to develop and conduct proper clinical trials in Canada and the United States. We
need to understand more about this procedure and the link between CCSVI
and MS.

Some people are frustrated with the slow process of
getting clinical trials underway. Ashton Embry sent me a CTV link
providing details on Mostic's death and the need for clinical trials (click here to watch all the videos and pay attention to what Dr. Zamboni says). Ashton also wanted me to relay the following to my readers:

It is clear that the MS Society wants to delay a pivotal CCSVI treatment trial for as long as possible as demonstrated by the Multiple Sclerosis Society/ Canadian Institutes for Health Research Report on CCSVI Treatment Research (http://www.direct-ms.org/magazines/Beaudet%20Executive%20Summary.pdf).

 

In contrast, Direct-MS sees the need for a CCSVI treatment trial as soon as possible.
Such a trial will be necessary before the medical profession/government
bodies accept that CCSVI treatment is of value for MS.
The sooner the trial is completed, the sooner CCSVI treatment will be widely available in Canada and the USA.

 

Direct-MS is spearheading an effort to raise enough money to fund a proper clinical trial to test the effectiveness of CCSVI. Such a trial will likely cost ~ 5 million dollars. Because of the critical importance of such CCSVI clinical research, all non-directed donations to Direct-MS over the next 24 months will go to this project.

 

Importantly, Direct-MS is a volunteer, “flow through” charity and every dollar donated will go to research. We take nothing off the top and this approach contrasts sharply with that of the MS Society which uses the majority of all money collected for internal uses (salaries, fund raising, administration, travel) rather than research.

 

If you wish to donate to Direct-MS, this can be done either through our website (http://www.direct-ms.org/donate.html) or by sending a cheque to Direct-MS, 5119 Brockington Rd NW, Calgary, AB, Canada, T2L 1R7.

 

Direct-MS is a registered charity and a receipt for tax purposes will be issued promptly for both Canada and the USA. Please tell your friends and relatives, if they want to help persons with MS, to consider donating to Direct-MS. If
we are going to reach our goal of funding a proper CCSVI treatment
trial, we are going to have strong support from as many people as
possible.

I
do not share Ashton's cynicism on the neurological community, but I do
share his passion for more answers regarding MS and the need for proper
trials regarding the liberation therapy. Ashton's insights on diet and
MS have been a valuable source of information for many MS patients and I
am thankful to have met him and his wonderful family.

I
invite everyone to carefully assess the decision to undergo this
procedure. Even if you see marked improvements, you should be aware that
there is a risk of restenosis of the veins, and performing angioplasty
several times on blocked veins can lead to permanent damage. Of course,
if you have no other option, and are frustrated with neurologists and
the delays with clinical trials, then you might want to consider
undergoing this procedure elsewhere. Again, it's not a cure, but we
definitely need more research and proper clinical trials to understand
why some patients see benefits and others don't.

In the meantime, people should go over the one-year timeline
provided on CTV's website. I would also urge patients, especially newly
diagnosed patients, not to lose hope. Don't do what I did, spending
months at the McGill University medical school library researching MS
after I got diagnosed, trying to find out everything I could about this bedevilling disease with no simple answers.

As
with any illness, your mindset is critical. You're going to have great
days and you're going to have bad days. Just accept it. Stay positive,
take care of your body and your mind, and focus on your life. Focus on
what you can do today, not what you might not be able to do tomorrow.
Remember the natural course of the disease is that many patients live a
relatively normal life.

As for me, I'm
still taking high dose vitamin D (drop form, 20,000 IUs a day) and feel
very good (talk to your doctor before doing anything). I'm not perfect,
but I'm thankful for being able to work and be a productive citizen (if I
can only spend less time blogging!). I'm considering the liberation
treatment, but I would prefer doing it under the supervision of Canadian
or US doctors. That's my preference and it's based entirely on
receiving proper follow-up care.

But I will
also tell you that I remain hopeful. There are a lot of clinical trials going on
in MS, and I wouldn't be shocked to see more breakthroughs in the
future. Just this weekend, I read about research from the University of Colorado at Boulder suggesting that an existing anti-inflammatory drug can be used to heal multiples sclerosis lesions.
There will be more exciting research on MS, but we need to remain
patient and we need to explore all possible treatments, no matter how
controversial they are.

 


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Tue, 11/23/2010 - 08:23 | Link to Comment AchtungAffen
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edited

Mon, 11/22/2010 - 06:47 | Link to Comment Kyron95131
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the body has a miraculous ability to heal itself if given the opportunity. unfortunately in our fast food culture were taxing the ability for our bodies to naturally fend for itself.

http://www.gerson.org/

Mon, 11/22/2010 - 04:10 | Link to Comment All Risk No Reward
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i'd recommend trying an anti-inflammatory diet to see if this helped.

http://www.drsears.com/tabId/399/itemId/10310/Multiple-sclerosis-and-the...

i have nerve damage across my elbow and i highly recommend this diet.

here is a woman with lupus who had amazing results on the zone diet...

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/yourmentalhealth/2009/06/12/dr-barry-sears-...

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/yourmentalhealth/2009/03/11/dr-barry-sears-...

Mon, 11/22/2010 - 03:21 | Link to Comment thegr8whorebabylon
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chlorine dioxide bitchez.

Mon, 11/22/2010 - 01:41 | Link to Comment straightershooter
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Man, you got to put some kind of metal in your vein to unblock the vein? Wow, the western barbarian.....

Well, if all you want is unblock the vein, try some stinky, foul-smelled, fermented, relatively cheap soybeans, called NATTO. Take one package per meal, three times a day might have the same effect to unblock, but the lead time to produce the effect is much longer. Though, be warned, the side effect could be embarrass...... lots of gas.....due to soybean..... may need some potato to neutralize it.....

DISCLAIMER WARNING: TAKE THIS COMMENT AT YOUR OWN PERIL. THIS AUTHOR IS ONLY THROWING 2 RED CENTS, SOON TO BE WORTH .00000000000002 CENTS, THANKS TO BB.

 

 

Mon, 11/22/2010 - 01:12 | Link to Comment williambanzai7
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This weekend I heard about an antibiotic that costs $30 per pill in the US. In HK the whole 10 day course of treatment costs about $20.

This simple fact tells more than I have to say about medical in the USA.

Leo, I sincerely hope for all the best for you.

WB7

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 23:51 | Link to Comment beanieville
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Speaking of liberation, they just stripped searched a kid at the airport. The funny and the not-so-funny of TSA:

http://abetterwaytotradestocks.blogspot.com/2010/11/funny-and-not-so-funny-tsa.html

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 22:23 | Link to Comment thegr8whorebabylon
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Vitamin D bitchez! 

And then pure speculation re; plaque, fibre, (psylum) can clear arteries, and tooth infections are associated with heart disease, so maybe fiber & bone health bitchez!

and what the hey, throw in some fish oil for good measure...

COD LIVER OIL BITCHEZ ;)))

get well leokaki kovaliaki!!!

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 23:50 | Link to Comment Leo Kolivakis
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Order your D-drops here:

http://www.ddrops.ca/

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 22:10 | Link to Comment spinone
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Leo - I have MS myself. Copaxone for 10 years seems to have put it into remission.  So much is unknown about this disease, that it makes you realize how every day is a gift.  Wacky Tobacky also relieved symptoms of a flair-up for me.

Good luck, bro.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 22:00 | Link to Comment revenue_anticip...
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....just a statistic..boundary-conditions regarding History written by the Victors....we who are NOW, survivors of the moment, in total Denial/Godlike, existential puffs of smoke 

http://www.csmonitor.com/The-Culture/2010/1119/Khmer-Rouge-film-spurs-Cambodians-worldwide-to-revisit-buried-history

WHERE were the 'reporters', the 'Media', THEN?

or in Brooklyn, N.Y. 1942 re: Extermination....or in the

Little Armenias (elsewhere than Turkey) 1917 or the Honest Germans 1943-44-45 in the Rhur, Berlin, Dresden?? Righteously killed in multiple 1000 airplane bomber raids, by Curtis LeMay during the DayStrikes, and Bomber Harris during the nightime raids...??

Mostly 'under-reported' essentially beyond the boundary limits of WHAT can and cannot be communicated 'effectively'...

2010-2011 will, in a 100 years perhaps be finally understood....but not now...impossible...

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 21:59 | Link to Comment goldfish1
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Best of health to all.

A shout out to the aspartame/ms relationship. My good friend's sister in law (25) was diagnosed with ms in early nineties. Suffered for years, could not work. Found her symptoms to be linked to her consumption of diet coke with aspartame. He has made an almost full recovery after 5-7 years of symptoms.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 20:34 | Link to Comment americanspirit
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Hi Leo and other ZH friends - in case you don't already know about it, National Institutes of Health maintains a database with abstracts of @ 13 million articles from peer-reviewed medical journals from around the world - not just the US. I have used it on many occasions. One of the best things about it is that in 90% of the abstracts the researchers email addresses are linked, so you can contact them directly. In my experience most are very responsive. Here is the web site

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed

Live long and prosper.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 20:02 | Link to Comment Asleep4Now
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Leo, I wish you all the luck in the world, but I will never trust big pharma to help me if I ever end up in a similar situation.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 20:02 | Link to Comment revenue_anticip...
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a mere one-on personal experience

....ring around the rosie...posie...we all fall down...sooner or later, 1/60 of the 6 billion/each year = 100 million 'just a statistic'[Lenin 1916]...a waste of time to merely 'faith heal', but useful research into the genetics/virus causations...auto-immune disease response..useful 'war bond crusade = MS'

Multiple sclerosis (MS) is a disease in which the nerves of the central nervous system (brain and spinal cord) degenerate. Myelin, which provides a covering or insulation for nerves, improves the conduction of impulses along the nerves and also is important for maintaining the health of the nerves. In multiple sclerosis, inflammation causes the myelin to disappear. Consequently, the electrical impulses that travel along the nerves decelerate, that is, become slower. In addition, the nerves themselves are damaged. As more and more nerves are affected, a person experiences a progressive interference with functions that are controlled by the nervous system such as vision, speech, walking, writing, and memory.

 cause of multiple sclerosis is still unknown. In the last 20 years, researchers have focused on disorders of the immune system and genetics for explanations. The immune system is the body's defender and is highly organized and regulated. If triggered by an aggressor or foreign object, the immune system mounts a defensive action which identifies and attacks the invader and then withdraws. This process depends upon rapid communication among the immune cells and the production of cells that can destroy the intruder. In multiple sclerosis, researchers suspect that a foreign agent such as a virus alters the immune system so that the immune system perceives myelin as an intruder and attacks it. The attack by the immune system on the tissues that it is supposed to protect is called autoimmunity, and multiple sclerosis is believed to be a disease of autoimmunity. While some of the myelin may be repaired after the assault, some of the nerves are stripped of their myelin covering (become demyelinated). Scarring also occurs, and material is deposited into the scars and forms plaques.

http://www.medicinenet.com/multiple_sclerosis/article.htm

 

 

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 19:58 | Link to Comment razorthin
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Best of luck Leo.  I've read so much about the wonders of D3, that I take 10,000 IUs daily - just prophylactically.  Hope even just that works for you.

Antioxidants and positive attitude are our armor.  It's the latter that is the hard part for most of us.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 19:50 | Link to Comment Cammy Le Flage
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Leo, for MS to heal you have to heal everything else in your life. Not an easy task. And, that you are not doing by your posts here (excepting this one) but I would not have known to say that had your posts been liars' posts - you were as honest as you could be.... You will conquer this ... I could not stand your writing at all until I read this. Wow, you are human and nice. Keep that side up please. For your own sake and all of ours. We all have flaws and disease of some sort - some worse than others and we must be conscious of that fact. I am. If we all realized such perhaps we could work on getting better. Energy is a very powerful thing. There are no quick answers but the answers - yes they will come. It is all about the energy - how it moves, reacts, acts.......... And you need to focus on you and not worry about the rest of the world. Blog your recovery. Now, that I cannot wait to read. It is on its way. And cures are different for every single person. There is not "one" for you - but there is one and it is yours alone. And do not look to western medicine solely for same. Follow your gut and truth - I think you are already doing that. go further.

Tue, 11/23/2010 - 17:02 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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Unjunk.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 17:49 | Link to Comment DeltaDawn
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Hope you find a cure Leo. I want to point you in the direction of a simple and cheap option to try.http://jimhumble.biz/biz-stories.htm

The sixth story is from a woman with MS.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 17:02 | Link to Comment pvmuse
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Hi Leo, 

Thank you for all your information regarding this procedure. My sister leaves for India tomorrow to have this procedure done. She is actually using a well know heart surgeon in Bangalore who preformed open heart surgery on my brother last month. He apparently preforms the angioplasty, and uses stents when needed, on about 3 patients per day. My brother and his wife witnessed several people who came in in wheelchairs, unable to walk, leave two days later unassisted. I will keep you updated on her progress, she has had MS for 17 years, and at this point is willing to take the risks associated with the procedure. I live right next to Stanford University Hospital, where they were doing the procedure on an experimental basis, until they lost a patient last year when a stent traveled to that person's heart and killed them. The type of severe symptoms my sister now suffer from have made any type of potential improvement worth even the risk of death. 

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 18:14 | Link to Comment Leo Kolivakis
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A good buddy of mine, a cardiologist at Stanford, sent me these thoughts:

Indeed I am very skeptical of this manner of treating MS (i.e. CCSVI), but I am extremely hopeful that new pharmacotherapies will be available soon to arrest and improve MS symptoms.  The new genetics studies involving complex diseases like MS combine with other studies involving measurement of everything" (i.e. all genes, or all proteins) in people with and without disease are resulting in incredible and fast paced discoveries.

These studies are pointing to several new genes that will inform biology of common complex diseases and allow for the more efficient and successful identification of compounds that can interfere with the pathological process.  The biological tools to translate these basic discoveries to effective pharmacotherapies are much better than they were even five years ago!  Technology is really driving much of this discovery.  Think of the progress in the personal computer over the last 2 decades...the exact same thing is happening in the biological sciences in identifying the various contributors to complex diseases.

Even if the disease is complex, it doesn't mean you can't develop/identify a drug or compound that will have profound positive effect on the risk of disease or its progression.

Two examples:

1) The "statins" are a class of cholesterol lowering drugs that came to market in the mid 1970s.  We quickly learned that this drug can reduce the risk of heart attacks dramatically.  In fact it cuts that risk by 30-40% for ANYONE who takes it even for 4-5 years and likely for people who take it lifelong it can cut the risk by more than 80% (we don't have these studies but genetic studies suggest this).  Recent comprehensive genetic studies looking at all our genes at the same time picked up mutations in the gene that statins target.  The nice thing is these studies have also reliably picked up another about 50-60 brand new cholesterol targets  (here I will not be humble and be proud of my accomplishments by pointing you to this paper in order to make my point.....http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v466/n7307/full/nature09270.html) .   In this paper, you can also get a sense of how quickly one can use these data to perform basic science experiments that shed light on how the gene effects disease.  This work was all done in less than 2 years.

2) Another example relevant to psychiatry is the development of haloperidol back in the 1950s (and related drugs subsequently) which basically did an unbelievable job in controlling schizophrenia symptoms and led to a massive shift from institutionalization of all people with schizophrenia to allowing a majority to live and work with the rest of us. 

In MS, I just took a quick look at the NHGRI catalogue and there is at least 5-7 new targets from recent genetic studies and this number will only dramatically increase over time as more investigators share their genetic data and as many more people are genetically fingerprinted.

For reversing disease consequences, there is great promise in stem cell therapy. I am involved in this type of science as well here at Stanford and have gained a much better perspective in the potential. 
 
Indeed I think there is much much hope not only for MS but also many other serious common but complex diseases given the above.  The wonder drug or therapy for MS has not yet made its appearance but I wouldn't be surprised if it is just around the corner.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 18:23 | Link to Comment Gully Foyle
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Leo Kolivakis

(Whatever became of those Bee sting treatments for MS?)

So the Stanford guy wants you to wait years then be public Guinea pigs.

Statins, really?

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7745438/Statins-raise-chanc...

Statins 'raise chances of kidney failure and cataracts' Cholesterol-busting wonder drugs taken by millions to cut the chance of a heart attack increase the risk of kidney failure and cataracts, a new study shows.

 

http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/2010/05/21/statins_may_raise_...

Drugs to lower cholesterol and prevent heart disease, taken by millions of people worldwide, increase the risk of cataracts, kidney failure, muscle pain, and liver dysfunction, a study of more than 2 million Britons found.

The findings paint a fuller picture of the long-term risks of medications known as statins, such as Pfizer Inc.’s Lipitor, the world’s top-selling drug, and AstraZeneca Plc’s Crestor. The study, released today by the British Medical Journal, did not validate a range of potential benefits, other than lowering cholesterol, attributed to statins. The drugs generated $35.3 billion worldwide in 2009.

 

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 18:54 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Yeh ,when it comes to life threatening illnesses, drug companies, the AMA and doctors are the last sons of bitches I am going to trust with my life, you can be sure of that.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 16:11 | Link to Comment Helix
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Leo,

I'm sure you've looked into this already but checkout the links between infections and chronic diseases like MS. Many people have MS type symptoms from Lyme disease. People have had legions in the brain heal after several months of antibiotic use. Antibiotics + Hyperbaric oxygen treatment might significantly releave your worst symptoms... Just a thought...

Mon, 11/22/2010 - 09:46 | Link to Comment AchtungAffen
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Before they establish a MS diagnosis, they first check your spinal chord liquid for Lyme disease. It's part of the diagnosis protocol, at least here (Argentina).

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 17:16 | Link to Comment Leo Kolivakis
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Yes, there is a doctor in Montreal who specializes in Lyme disease and has successfully treated many patients who were wrongly diagnosed. Her name is Dr. Maureen McShane and you can listen to the CBC interview here (Part 2):

http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/2010/06/june-14-2010.html

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 18:26 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Lyme disease is another bioweapon. It mimicks MS.

http://www.rense.com/general69/lyme.htm

Many times on these diseases they try to treat the symptom instead of the disease. In the case of the stint, this is exactly what they were doing. Totally unnecessary. The blood flow to the brain or lack thereof is caused by the change in the shape of the red blood cells. When the blood cells are not round but oblong etc, then they of course cannot get through the blood vessels correctly.

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2009/11November/Pages/MS-and-blood-flow-from-the-...

If the body is given half a chance, it can fight off just about anything.

also.

charlatan Louis Pasteur and the germ theory.

A Faulty Medical Model: The Germ Theory

http://www.unhinderedliving.com/germtheory.html

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 15:29 | Link to Comment PenGun
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 Powerful marijuana works very well on some people. A friend who was stricken would be pretty well normal very quickly after a good toke. From half paralized in the face to OK real quick.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 15:42 | Link to Comment Thanatos
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One of the peeps I mentioned above is a MM user.

He gets hit or miss with it.

Sometimes it makes things better, sometimes nada, sometimes worse.

He grows his own and it is extremely potent.

I think it's fine. Anything that works to help and causes no harm should be allowed.

Mon, 11/22/2010 - 09:29 | Link to Comment PenGun
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 There seemed to be some evidence that the strain was important. An Indica Sativa cross worked best for her. Silver Globe as I remember.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 15:17 | Link to Comment Fred Hayek
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Best of luck to you, Leo.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 16:03 | Link to Comment MsCreant
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There is nothing more to say than this, sir. Good luck. 

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 15:12 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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I think that MS along with many of these types of diseases were the result of bioweapons releases either purposely or accidentally.

http://www.bariumblues.com/mycoplasma_nexus.htm

Leo, a lot of doctors in the United States must adhere to AMA guidelines etc. Many of them do not understand all of this. You have to talk to them about it and tell them what you want. I am certainly no medical expert, but I like to read about things and I have heard and seen reports such as this before. It might be worth it for you to take a look. I have not brought it up before since I figured you may not want to talk about it. But since you brought it up, I feel compelled now to tell you what I have seen and read on it. Do what you want with the information. It is your life. One thing is for sure. There was a time when we didn't have these types of diseases here. Now we are seeing them more and more. There has to be reason for it. I have long feared they were bioweapons. In the final analysis I believe they were.

Mon, 11/22/2010 - 09:43 | Link to Comment AchtungAffen
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Hey re-re, there's been chronicles or documentation about MS for at least a couple centuries. Ever since they first opened the head of someone with those symptoms and found that the regularly mushy brain was hardened in parts. Those hardenings are called "sclerosis", which well, means exactly that. Sometimes they didn't add 2+2, or the diagnosis wasn't clear until much later; but the disease existed much before weaponised bacteria or virus.

But sometimes a trigger can unleash the disease or something similar (lessions on myelin). And that can come from enviromental factors (e.g. contamination), our new chair bound lifestyle; and diet (shit like Monsanto seeds that trigger autoimmune responses).

Mon, 11/22/2010 - 08:44 | Link to Comment duo
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Perhaps this explains the commando attacks against raw milk producers.

Mon, 11/22/2010 - 04:41 | Link to Comment i-dog
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"I think that MS along with many of these types of diseases were the result of bioweapons releases either purposely or accidentally."

The "bioweapon" at fault in these auto-immune diseases is the too-early vaccination of children -- followed by a diet containing the "difficult" proteins that many of us (around 30%) have not acquired the genetic ability to easily digest: gluten (wheat flour) and casein (milk). For those who are hyper-allergic to these proteins (and also those allergic to certain nuts or fruits), there are naturally occuring proteases that can solve all these problems -- but S.510 and the WTO's Codex Alimentarius are about to outlaw natural remedies.

The medical fraternity has no fucking idea what causes, or how to treat, these diseases -- evidenced by the fact that they still refer to the immune system's reaction to casein in milk as "lactose intolerance". Lactose is a carbohydrate (sugar) and is perfectly harmless.

Triggering the immune system too early, by over-zealous vaccination of infants to feed the pharmaceutical industry, is also criminal assault by the medical-industrial complex.

@Leo: EM me through Tyler, if you are interested in a natural remedy.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 17:52 | Link to Comment Leo Kolivakis
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Interesting, even if it sounds like just another conspiracy theory. Thanks.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 17:20 | Link to Comment GoingLoonie
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Thank you for posting this link.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 15:43 | Link to Comment Thanatos
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Plauseable. Really.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 15:06 | Link to Comment Thanatos
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Leo,

There were/are some doctors in Santa Fe, NM that were using a Hyperbaric chamber to treat MS.

I cannot remember the names... It seems that o2 getting profused into the body seemed to alieviate a lot of severe symptoms.

This lines up with restoring blood flow to parts of the brain...

Just FYI.

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 16:20 | Link to Comment litoralkey
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 Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy ( Dr. Neubauer with Morton Walker, Avery Publishing, 1997).

Neubauer was based in South Florida, I'm unaware of the New Mexico HBOT doctors.


Sun, 11/21/2010 - 17:44 | Link to Comment Thanatos
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They have a chamber up there that sees use by different groups I think.

They use it primarily to treat acute AMS from my understanding. I guess 7,500 ft kicks lowlanders butts fairly often.

I gathered HBOT is not covered by most insurance for just about every condition except AMS and a few other rare ones which is stupid. It seems to work for all kinds of stuff, a LOT of people use it for accelrated healing after surgery or injury if they can afford it.

 

Sun, 11/21/2010 - 15:03 | Link to Comment Thanatos
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Thanks and good luck with this! I have read about the blood-flow problems relating to MS and I am hopeful that it leads to good things for MS treatment.

All of these Courageous people are pioneers and I hope they succeed in finding treatments and cures for this insidious disease.

I have seen MS take two good people out of jobs, life, pleasure. It is heartbreaking to watch.

 

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