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Libya Strikes Back, Hits NATO Warship

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Apparently even Libya has had enough of the toothless and impotent NATO offense and is hoping for some sort of escalation. Reuters reports: "Libya said on Tuesday its forces had hit a NATO warship while it was shelling areas in the western parts of the rebel-held Libyan city of Misrata. Libyan state television said "our forces fired (at warships) and hit one directly and severely". It gave no further details. It was not immediately possible to verify the report." It remains to be seen if Nicholas "the people's liberator" Sarkozy, busy celebrating the recent developments in New York, will take time from his presidential campaign to urge the "marines in the water" to become "boots on the ground."

 

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Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:37 | 1284555 max2205
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Rut row

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:41 | 1284577 Head for the Hills
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Elephants heading to Europe soon....

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:23 | 1284774 Overflow-admin
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They may not pass the Alps...

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:45 | 1285049 Spirit Of Truth
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Libya is a Russian puppet state and the West's checkmate draws near IMHO:

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/03/russias-checkmate-of-west-draws-near.html

Sad but true I'm afraid.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 20:34 | 1285359 The Feds Connection
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All this doom. I watched max keizer show on 24france yesterday. Taped on 28 oktober 2009 in which he sayd financial catastrophe would hit again in in 6-9 months. How long can this be stretched?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:57 | 1285712 Spirit Of Truth
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Max Keiser works for Russia Today and Iran's Press TV.  Speaks volumes...

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:57 | 1285877 living on the edge
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You sir are full of shit. Be well...

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 05:38 | 1286341 Popo
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RT is known unofficially in Russia as "The propaganda channel".   I kid you not.

Max is their puppet.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 08:30 | 1286514 Titus
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I watched Max for the first time recently. He was interviewing Reggie Middleton. Reggie was good, the interview was fairly professional. The rest of Max's program reeked of Soviet style propaganda. The cheapness of it left me feeling raped. 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:59 | 1284897 Azannoth
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NATO gotz bitch slapped! Oh no!

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 19:03 | 1285120 MarkS
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Oh really...and we now believe the Ghadaffi why?

I'm not saying it isn't possible...just that it is very unlikely that a naval warship got within range of shore based artillery...or that the Libyans could actually get a firing solution on a moving ship.

 

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 01:52 | 1286166 TBT or not TBT
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Hey now, the arabs put the first (bearded) man on the moon, invented quantum mechanics(it's all in the Koran), and were first to use petrolatum for shagging dry orifices...which dryness is a rampant problem for them, culturally. Don't be talking trash about their command of modern naval warfare.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:57 | 1284901 NOTW777
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obamas war - uncovered by the MSM and ignored by liberals

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:21 | 1284970 legal eagle
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Russia and China need to man-up and veto any further UN resolutions, not just abstain like a wronged teen aged girl.  It is time someone stood up to the US and our arrongance. 

HUMANITARIAN, give me a fucking break.

And I thought Obama was an intellectual, how niave I was.  He is as ignorant as Bush, just finely polished.  

 

 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:26 | 1284995 Al Gorerhythm
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You can't, try as you might, polish a turd.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 20:28 | 1285351 Hephasteus
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It's a cycle of deception.

Old bush Direct brutal sadistic lies to home audience.

Clinton appears reasonable calms the waters sucks in suckers.

Bush  Direct brutal lays down the separation lines. Everyone against us is against us everyone for us is for us.

Obama appears reaonable tries to calm the waters but too late too much has been exposed.

Whoever's next will be much more sadistic and overt than bushes because it doesn't get them anything to contnue trying to fool anyone.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:01 | 1285724 Moe Howard
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You can, however, roll it in glitter.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 01:45 | 1286161 TBT or not TBT
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Excellent plan!

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:29 | 1284996 Rodent Freikorps
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Makes you wonder what they were promised to get them to sit it out.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 19:59 | 1285285 Rick64
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+100 Thats how it works.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:54 | 1285876 natty light
Wed, 05/18/2011 - 00:35 | 1286056 pops
Wed, 05/18/2011 - 03:49 | 1286287 DivisionBell
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The current UN Security Council resolution is all NATO needs.  Russia and China won't have another chance.  They foolishly gave up that voice, and by doing so, they authorized it.  

If they have changed their minds now, it would take military intervention and probably nuclear brinkmanship to stop the fireworks.  If any NATO member decides to call the bluff though, it's WW3.  I doubt Russia or China would try it without at least some kind of significant real leverage.

They may not be able to win, but they can deal damage.  The kind of damage that terrorists dream of and aren't necessarily advantageous coming up on an election.  Forces may be spread out to deal with insurgent capabilities but not necessarily strategically optimized for global total war against multiple capable belligerants.  These guys aren't Afghani farmers and herdsmen.

It requires more than talk and indecision though and that seems to be all they have... maybe they think it is a trap or have decided not to interrupt their enemy when he is making a mistake.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 06:59 | 1286385 Urban Redneck
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Russia and China won't have another chance.  They foolishly gave up that voice, and by doing so, they authorized it.

It wasn't foolish.  It draws down US & NATO resources and exposes their weaknesses, while driving up demand for Russian oil.  On the longer horizon it creates a bigger opening for both of them at the New World Bargaining Table at the expense of US & NATO.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:41 | 1284564 tmosley
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I guess maybe those war games prior to the Iraqi invasion DID mean something.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:57 | 1284658 Drag Racer
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the exact battle plan used to remove insane from Kuwait was practiced by my unit for over 2 years before he invaded.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:02 | 1284684 tmosley
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Wow. That is interesting. You think they knew it was going to happen? I have heard rumors in the past that Saddam invaded because he thought the US had his back.

For those wondering what I was talking about above, here is a write up of it: http://www.rense.com/general64/fore.htm

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:55 | 1284885 ZackAttack
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I think there are off-the-shelf plans for a bazillion contingencies.

I doubt it would have been designed with the Saddam/Kuwait scenario in mind, but there was probably something as specific as 'invade a hostile Persian gulf nation.'

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:06 | 1284916 tmosley
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Yes, those are contingency plans, though. The GP mentioned "practice", which I assume means in the form of war games.

It was always my understanding that the invasion caught the US flat footed, with armored forces deployed far from the Middle East (hence "Desert Shield" prior to "Desert Storm").

But then, I don't know all that much about the military, beyond what I learned from playing civilization (which never seems to place any real importance on naval power, much to my annoyance).

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:09 | 1285741 Moe Howard
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After returning from the invasion of Panama, my unit was briefed on the next mission, Haiti. We were issued maps, etc. I left the unit for another post. The division was inactivated and the 10th Mountain took its' missions / place in deployable units. Guess what happened? They were sent to Haiti on the same mission we were preparing for several years before. Operation Uphold Democracy.

There are no suprises to the elite. Only to us the peons.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 01:58 | 1286171 TBT or not TBT
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With a name like Hate-ey, I mean, linguistically, it stands to reason that would have been the country name Find/Replaced into the war plan they handed you back then. Next, Islam-a-bad or some similarly unfortunately named place. Terror-an anyone?

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 15:36 | 1288510 Ahmeexnal
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I'm sure you had a discombobulating moment while typing "invasion of Panama" and *really* meant "liberation of Panama".

/sark ozy

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 06:13 | 1286356 wisefool
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The new game Civ5 has some pretty serious flaws, but it is getting better with naval importance.

The "happiness" of a civilization is very, very dependant on luxury and strategic resources. In the old games, you just had your settlers build roads on every single square on the map, such that your trade network was never seriously impacted.

In version 5, roads cost signifigant amount of maintanence, and plopping down major cities willy nilly also costs lots of money, production, culture and happiness. So you end up spreading them out and placing them primarily on resources.

Thats where the navies come back into importance in the game. most cites and trade networks are connected by harbors and one road. You send in seals to cut the one road. (remember in this version roads have high maintenance costs) Then you use your navy to blockade the port. Shore based artillery typically has shorter range than navies blockade range. And even if it does not, you just tank shore bombardment for a few rounds, set sail, heal up and come back and do it again. the disruption of strategic resources wreaks havock on production, and the disruption of luxuries causes nasty cultural and growth affects. Even if sporatic.

Its a more realistic play style, but it requires a huge investment to have a navy that can pull it off, and you do take losses, which many min/max'ers don't like to do, trying to play the perfect game.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:44 | 1285055 legal eagle
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When you say "insane" do you mean GW Bush or Bernake?  Certainly, both are greater criminals than Saddam.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:39 | 1284568 buzzsaw99
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Do I have to take Hillary's side or can I root for GoDaffy?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:44 | 1284591 NotApplicable
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Well, what's your opinion about a Gold Dinar?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:54 | 1284653 Josh Randall
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I'm rooting for NATO to lose -- to anyone

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:48 | 1284853 buzzsaw99
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Real gold? I like them? :confused:

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:08 | 1284922 solgundy
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who cares about Dinars......will the IMF raper beat the rap??

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 02:06 | 1286181 TBT or not TBT
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It was a celebrity sex tape thing. The IMF had decided to go for the demographic that follows the druggie/abusive/philandering celebrity gossip.

Someone in the last century said actors would be the most powerful people in next century. This century it is aging technocrats allied to high finance.

Historians will recognize this as the turning point, and my comment as the first consciousness of the change afoot.

Red Light District will appear to have made the most money out of it at first glance, but this will not be so, by six orders of magnitude.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:43 | 1284574 Juice Box
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Remember the Maine!  

Ooops!  That was the Spanish-American War.

Remember the Sarkozy!

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:00 | 1284908 NOTW777
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remember political correctness gone amuck. when does rev wright get his ship?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/05/san-diego-area-congressman...

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:44 | 1284576 Herman Strandsc...
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This is surely a declaration of war by Gadaffi?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:46 | 1284610 john39
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all one big NWO puppet show.  what is really interesting, is what happens now that Palestinians have learned that non-violent resistance is a far more effective tactic against tanks and guns than suicide bombers.  I think the isrealis are screwed as they will not be able to stop themselves from shooting unarmed old women, as was demonstrated yesterday at the lebanese border.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:01 | 1284676 magpie
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The beginning of a Tom Clancy novel, not sure which one...

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:26 | 1284986 sun tzu
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That's why they need huge speakers blasting Metallica and other head banger music. That will drive the old women away.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:15 | 1285756 BigJim
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The Israelis have plenty of soldiers who have no problem shooting civilians - be they women, old women, or children. They've been taught the Arabs aren't human, so killing them is akin to squashing lice - a bit distasteful, but generally A Good Thing.

In fact, throughout history, most armies have distinguished themselves slaughtering whomever their commanders told them too. "Infidels", "Heathen", "Juden", "Commies", "Capitalist Running Dogs", "Terrorists" - just conjure the bogey-de-jour and away our finest go, guns a-blazin'.

It's only later, when they get back, and are haunted by visions of limbless children, as they tuck their own to bed, that they begin to have doubts.

Too late, of course.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 01:01 | 1286093 pops
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Better late than never.....

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:48 | 1284616 CPL
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You mean being picked to pieces by NATO's useless few via annoyance, sanctions, etc, etc wasn't the declaration of war.  I thought this was the other way around.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:55 | 1284642 Herman Strandsc...
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You mean being picked to pieces by NATO's useless few via annoyance, sanctions, etc, etc wasn't the declaration of war.  I thought this was the other way around.

Well The script says we are there for humanitarian reasons. It was probably a hospital ship that they fired at I reckon.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:42 | 1284835 Rynak
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Don't forget the flying ships, tanks, buildings and agents.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:11 | 1284929 PolishHammer
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Flying hospitals, and Red Cross tanks...

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:13 | 1284932 PolishHammer
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red cross nurse agents

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 20:58 | 1285448 akak
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Was that a buried canned ham?

From your backyard, perhaps?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:53 | 1284634 doomandbloom
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thats excessive force....lets send the ground troops in...

 

( are they sure it was Gaddafi who bombed this plane? it might have been the allies themselves, desparate to get a win after Osama, DSK, Royal wedding etc)

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:57 | 1284668 ZeroPower
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I dont understand... does Libya actually have any sort of military power besides a few Angolans who are ready to die for their daily rations?

Really in the dark here.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:28 | 1285002 sun tzu
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They have a few hundred tanks and jet fighters, so I doubt it's a few Angolans operating and maintaining that equipment. They also have some decent SA missile. I think they are holding back because Gaddhafi doesn't want to "provoke" a ground invasion. They will sit back and wait out the NATO bombing for as long as it takes. I wouldn't be surprised if the attack on the NATO ship is a Gulf of Tonkin or USS Maine type incident. 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:42 | 1284582 treemagnet
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Sure sounds bad...but how 'bout that Dell! BTFD

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:43 | 1284585 idea_hamster
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Gulf of Tonkin

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:45 | 1284597 Cash_is_Trash
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First thing that came across my mind.

Just like I awoke this morning to check if the debt ceiling had been sodomized by Le Dominique JOOO.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:43 | 1284586 NotApplicable
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Escalation, FTW!!!

Now the Allies (it is still allies, right?) have the mandate they need to launch a real war, instead of just all of their inventory-clearing shelling.

Now, for the bonus question, which nation's ship gets to be the casus belli?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:48 | 1284619 Cash_is_Trash
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How convenient, an Israeli state visit this week:

Netanyahu will address the AIPAC conference on Monday night and follow that up with an address to a Joint Session of Congress next Tuesday.

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/05/17/the-mideast-takes-center-stage-in-was...

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:46 | 1284587 Long-John-Silver
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I've been on a ship hit and set on fire. I feel sorry for anyone on that ship no matter what nationally it is.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:52 | 1284646 gmrpeabody
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My understanding is that both yours and this French ship were wooden.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:13 | 1284731 mixle
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Aluminium superstructures burn pretty well, as demonstrated in the Falklands. Steel too. Harder to put out than wood, though.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:02 | 1284686 Shock and Aweful
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Yeah...I would imagine it would suck real bad to be on a ship that has been hit..

 

But, I bet it sucks just as much being in a building that has been hit by one of the cruise missles that were launched by said ship....

 

If this ship did not want to get hit...they should not have parked off the coast of a sovereign nation...and fired missles / shells whenever they like.

 

When is the U.S. / Nato going to realize that there are alot of people out there that do not appreciate the boot on their neck.

 

I always think it is funny that the western media is "outraged" that some piss-ant nation would have the balls to fight back...but is never outraged that we are half-way around the world firing high-priced ordinance willy-nilly at the most recent dictator who has fallen out of the favor of their master....

 

hahaha

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:42 | 1284845 Rynak
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When we do it, it is liberation.... when they do it, it is terrorism.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:53 | 1284874 macholatte
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Sovereignty is not “a right,” but rather a “responsibility,” and can be overruled by the international community if necessary.

-- George Soros

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:00 | 1284902 Rynak
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"Sovereignty is not “a right,” but rather a “responsibility,” and can be overruled by the international mafia if necessary."

There, fixed that for you mr soros.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:57 | 1285714 Hephasteus
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You forgot to add in that we will constantly needle and provoke you to make sure you step over what ever line we are trying to lay down.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:44 | 1284590 VyseLegendaire
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How dare that criminal dictator fire back when bombarded by foreign warships? Can you say Pearl Harbor pt 2.?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:54 | 1284652 akak
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Well, I never thought I would in any way be rooting for Qadaffi (or Khadaffi, or Kadaffi, or Qahdaffhi, or however the Hell his name is supposed to be spelled), but in this upside-down Orwellian world .....

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:48 | 1284862 Rynak
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That is because regardless of how much you may dislike him, he is simply defening himself against an invasion... and invasion that was based on lies and the invasors breaking their own rules.

If it were about me, him and the rebels should simply deal with their stuff themselves, until frontiers have someway established... once THAT happens, you may treat the rebels as a seperate nation. But if one intervenes before that happens, it is simply invasion and violent interference in internal matters.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:05 | 1284915 YHC-FTSE
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Thinking the same thing. What a weird world. As for "Sarkozy, busy celebrating the recent developments in New York", the re-invasion of North Africa by France isn't out of the sphere of possibilities now.

I want to pick a side - the "Good guys" - but who are they? I suppose we had all better give lip service to our respective governments when the shit really hits or we'll end up enemies of the state. I'm glad I always use a proxy when I'm online these days. :)

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 19:07 | 1285132 ElvisDog
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Yeah, except Gaddafi would probably kick the French army's ass. Other than the U.S., what NATO army has any real combat experience over the past 30-40 years? I'm guessing NATO excercises don't quite prepare you for the real thing.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:26 | 1285582 prole
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Somalia

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:15 | 1285757 Moe Howard
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Don't the Germans and the Dutch have a lot of experience watching the Americans fight in Afghanistan? At least they have seen how it is done. Don't forget the French Foreign Legion, it has some real bad asses in it.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:45 | 1284601 Robslob
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War is good for stocks!
Recession is good for stocks!
Unemployment is good for stocks!
High oil prices are good for stocks!
High food stamp usage is good for stocks!
High interest rates are good for stocks!
Depression is good for stocks!
Housing price collapse is good for stocks!
Municipal Bond collapse is good for stocks!

Please feel free to add yours so we can get every excuse out of the way now for Robo....

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:54 | 1284640 Cash_is_Trash
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Famine is good for stocks!

Sodomy is good for stocks!

Rationing is good for stocks!

Rape is good for stocks!

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:57 | 1284892 Rynak
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Nah, you're all not getting it..... you see, uncle sam can just turbo-tax every dollar holder around the.... err, i'm sorry, i mean he can shoot trillions of dollars out of his ass.... and that will then make everything good..... because you know, reducing peoples wealth, makes them wealthier!

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:49 | 1284607 Gubbmint Cheese
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cue the boots on the ground.

 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:47 | 1284611 Gubbmint Cheese
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(which is good for stocks...)

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:50 | 1284613 Caveman93
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Very Bullish!

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:51 | 1284639 FriedEggs
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Dont you find it funny its always the same type of rebels...

in the same 1/2 ton pickup truck(s)...

driving around the same area...

firing shells in the same empty direction?

Where are the images of the Libyan Army? Tanks, Infantry, airplanes...fkin anything?!?!

The whole thing just reeks of bullshit...

 

If life wasnt so tragic, it would be pretty funny...

Fried(e)

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:55 | 1284659 gmrpeabody
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I think they all look alot alike. Hard to tell the difference.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:25 | 1284794 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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So,ya reckon some Italian "top gun" got a little too jittery and shot his missiles on the deck? Porco Dio!!

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:56 | 1285084 Abitdodgie
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If that was here and someone said lets mount a anti-aircraft gun on the back of your pickup , you would be worried about scratching it , but they do this and then graffiti the fuck out of it almost like it was not theirs, wait hmmm?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:53 | 1284648 Shock and Aweful
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This K-Daffy guy is a real "terrorist"....did he not get the memo that this whole ordeal was just for show and that all Europeans were off limits to hostile fire....This blatant attack against "freedom's defenders must not stand...

FOX News to commence the beating of the "operation other peoples resources" war drum in 3.....2.....1.....

 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:35 | 1284823 InconvenientCou...
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Hannity reporting from a dusty Oil rig in Bahrain. Or west Texas, same dif.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:54 | 1284654 mayhem_korner
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This just in...

...Libyan nationals loyal to Qaddafi have confirmed that in fact a NATO warship was not hit.  The obliterated vessel in question has been confirmed as a Greenpeace raft bound for a peyote festival with the Iranian flotilla.  Thought to be on board were celebrities Susan Sarandon, Jeanine Garafalo, and Arnold Schwarzenegger's ten-year old love child, Ulfie.

Upon hearing the news, President Obama marked his ball on 17 and vowed "immediate and swift" action in response to the alleged loss of Sarandon. The President said "Mr. Qaddafi should be expecting my phone call.  Soon."

 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:59 | 1284660 Franken_Stein
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So if this Libyan war is not proof that all these wars are for the sake of the bankers and oil cartels, then I don't know what is.

 

I know one thing:

I'll never join the army or send my kids there.

It's all MADNESS.

 

This has nothing to do with patriotism anymore.

 

These are totally illegal wars of aggression against a sovereign nation that has NOT attacked the United States and has NOT attacked France.

 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:04 | 1284692 Herman Strandsc...
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Lockerbie is good enough. But Then there is also the murder of a British constable outside the libyan embassy in London. The innocent always suffer politics.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:05 | 1284713 magpie
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perhaps that prominent defector had something to do with the murder of the policewoman

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:54 | 1285079 legal eagle
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It seems to me that your logic is fucked up. A few criminals from a fucked up country commit an atrosity ----  and in response to that we go bomb some peasants that are already living in the stone age.  Yeah, good idea.

Gaddafi says he will kill his own people, we say NO, we can do it for you.  We kill more people than he would have.

WE, the US, have killed more innocent people in the last decade than all of the dictators combined.

I never thought the US would try to justify torture.  How low can we go.....?

 

 

 

 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:09 | 1284718 scatterbrains
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and that's the risk here, that one of these countries with the technology gets so revolted by what the west is doing here that they slip some anti ship missiles into the mix.. sorta like we did with USSR in Afghanistan.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:56 | 1284662 Hedgetard55
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NATO and Barry Soetoro are like the school yard bully that never expected little Jimmy to fight back and kick him in the balls. Maybe Barry needs to lead a SEAL team 6 raid on Ghaddafi, after all, he is a super "gutsy" CIC with an action figure already.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 16:56 | 1284665 PulauHantu29
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Daffi is sure making Sarkozy work for his Nobel Peace Prize.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:17 | 1284758 john39
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american soldiers are waking up, well worth a watch.

http://youtu.be/WWUQ_N_vHc0

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 05:03 | 1286316 destraht
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Well I'd like to believe that but my new step-brother arrived from Afghanistan some months ago and he was as brainwashed as anyone.  A few of us were talking and I started talking about Israel and he interrupted me half way through my sentence and said like a robot "I have great respect for Israel".  It was very strange and it reminded me of the original Manchurian Candidate movie where the black guy sits up in bed and says "Raymond Shaw is the best, etc" after his wife mentioned his name.  Also he had these stories about how the Afghany men didn't even know what a pussy was because they had ass sex with each other so much to the point that a newly wed couple didn't know where it needed to be put.  He had all of his little stories that he had been told to dehumanize the enemy.  So really I'd like to believe this video but, eh not quite sure.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:25 | 1284782 Charlie
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Tyler,
Have you seen this story from the financial times?
China goes for the gold
http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2011/05/17/china-goes-for-the-gold/

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:34 | 1284804 CrashisOptimistic
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Gadaffi has played this hand of cards about as well as it can be, and one has to wonder what his tactics are in this.  I'll venture a guess.  If he can entice NATO into explicitly breaking the UN resolution, Russia and China might no longer feel like they must adhere to it, either, and could start sending in technical assistance to help protect civilians from NATO killing.

Meaning, the tribal forces attacking Misrata, and who happen to be allied with Gadaffi, are not Libyan troops.  They are civilians. They are being bombed by NATO.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:32 | 1284810 SunBlaster
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NEWS DENIED:

A NATO official denied a report on Libyan state television on Tuesday that Libyan forces hit one of its warships off the coast near the rebel-held city of Misrata.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/17/us-libya-nato-warship-idUSTRE7...

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:38 | 1284833 THE DORK OF CORK
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Sarkozy / Gaddafi , the early years.............

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrHs8CWDzmc

 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:33 | 1285013 gratefultraveller
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Something must be up. On the page with the second article Reuters shows to the left a picture with the caption "An undercover Israeli policeman dressed as a Palestinian woman opens a car door after detaining a Palestinian protester during clashes in Shuafat refugee camp, in the West Bank near Jerusalem May 15, 2011..."

I doubt it they would have placed that so prominently if the wind was not turning against Israel.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:49 | 1284857 pazmaker
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So who to believe......the oil hungry invaders(NATO) or the crazyass Kadafi?  One thing is certain the hypocricy is blatantly obvious.   This "humanitarian" effort was put into place for LIbya when the death toll was around 200 but yet supposedly 700 have been killed in Syria but not much concern for humanitarian efforts there.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 17:53 | 1284890 Clay Hill
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Exactly.

You fight the skirmishes to get positioned for the bigger battles.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:04 | 1284859 Robslob
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What IS tragic about the USA fighting this kind of war?

The way Rebels fight is the exact way we won our independence from a debt infested England who also engaged in too many battles until this country changed the rules of engagement.

We are fighting wars that are not designed to be won.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:17 | 1284966 NOTW777
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"we?????"

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:22 | 1284973 legal eagle
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Memo to Robslob, we are not fighting a war, this is HUMANITARIANISM at its best.

Tue, 05/24/2011 - 18:33 | 1306995 Gold Man-Sacks
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Rebels?  What kind of ragtag freedom fighters do you know have jet fighters? 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:21 | 1284977 Gold Man-Sacks
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They sunk our battleship!

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:38 | 1285021 Pancho3
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Legal Eagle take a look at this site: 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24746

You will understand why China and Russia didn't veto it.

 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 19:49 | 1285264 legal eagle
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I agree with the link, they thought they would limit the war.  If they never stand up we will never stand down.  These moves dont work.  That is why Putin was out in the news the first week saying, WTF?  You were only suppose to protect civilians.  Illegal from the start.

Bush and now Obama are war criminals and have LIVES on their blood stained hands. 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:58 | 1285093 velobabe
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i can honestly say, i have no idea as to what is going on in this world. i just hope one part of the escalation and perhaps a third party involved xould be the tylers, and hactivists. who knows. now a days my mind wonders along a path of splendor and that maybe zerohedge has a remote chance of spurring people's consciousous and wonder. what could our earth be like without these "evil" yes i mean "EVIL", PEOPLE doing this so called god's work. god is overrated. well maybe all of the tylers are really political scientists. that would be co_ol. does any one remember political scientists. curious profession†

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 18:59 | 1285099 velobabe
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PLUS, i just hate war. i hate everything about war. it simply is a corrupt business, that needs to be stopped. ASAP.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 19:16 | 1285162 zen0
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By all means, stop warring. Best way would be when people are warring, just nuke the bastards. That would put and end to it.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:39 | 1285832 Ima anal sphincter
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Which direction are the winds out of in Washington and NY?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 19:21 | 1285173 slewie the pi-rat
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i posted this on an earlier string, so 'scuse if this is seconds for ya!

NATO is just bombing the shit outa anywhere the moQ might turn up.  the british high command (Gen. Richards) wants restrictions on bombing targets eased.  bombing missions now number in the thousands, as any command/control is being levelled. 

the "int'l criminal court" now seeks arrest warrants for the moQ, his 2nd son, saif, and his intel chief, abdullah al-sabussi for "crimes against humanity" and the british military keeps pounding the rhetoric that the moQ is killing civilians, so he must be stopped.  some are thinking the hague might just want to hold off from joining the par-tee b/c this makes a settlement more unreachable. 

but i think the hague feels that the place will just be levelled at his point, anyhow, so why not?  this is from a may 15 report from morgan strong thru reuters, originally, i think, tho, i am taking it from a tripoli puplication.

the 11 killed were clerics and 45 more were wounded as they were sleeping.  apparently they were meeting in brega, and apparently near some kinda 'military' target, too.  NATO said it was the most civilians they had killed/wounded, yet, as far as they know...from morgan strong: 

* A NATO air strike on the eastern Libyan city of Brega on Friday, which the Libyan government said killed 11 people and wounded 45, was directed against a "command and control bunker", a NATO statement said.

* President Barack Obama gave his stamp of approval to Libya's anti-Al Qathafi forces on Friday, bringing leaders of the rebel group to the White House where they were deemed credible and legitimate.

* NATO said it conducted 148 air sorties on Friday, 44 of them strike sorties that aim to identify and hit targets but do not always deploy munitions.

* Since NATO took over command of air strikes on March 31, its aircraft have conducted 6,525 sorties, including 2,556 strike sorties

and, the US stopped short of recognizing the libyan rebels.  france & others have recognized the rebels as the goobermint.  prez0 did not meet with them, officially, and we are left with the rebels needing all kinds money for supplies and of course, arms  (Paste):

Meanwhile, the US has stepped up its support of anti-Al Qathafi rebels, with Obama authorising $25m in non-lethal assistance and $53m in humanitarian aid.

The White House said it was looking for ways to increase US financial support to the opposition, in part through congressional legislation that would free up a portion of the more than $30bn in frozen Al Qathafi regime assets in US banks so it could be used to aid the rebels.  (end Paste).

business as usual, eh?  bombs awaaaaay! 

i don't think we'll see NATO boots on the ground for a while.  indications are that NATO is loving the air mail franchise and the rebels will try to take scalps and survive the close air support.  if they can.  the british general and the NATO spokespersons never fail to impress that these efforts are so the the moQ will stop killing libyan civilians.  that is why they are doing this.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:17 | 1285549 Bear
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6,525 sorties ... wow, they're doing all this to save what ... oil? 

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 00:09 | 1286014 avonaltendorf
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Not enough oil to get excited about. 1-1/2 million barrels a day, most of which went to Italy, France and Germany.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 19:27 | 1285198 nah
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the tea party must vote in favor of WWIII... open up the floodgates of police state nirvana like a big boy

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:28 | 1285788 earnyermoney
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Why does congress need to vote on authorizing war? Obama authorized force in Libya without congressional approval. Are you referring to the Constitution? LOL

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 00:05 | 1286011 Oh regional Indian
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Eggzactly...

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/truth-about-america-truth-about-us/

 

A mirage attacking a chimera!

ORI

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 20:33 | 1285321 Lord Welligton
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Nicholas "the people's liberator" Sarkozy

 

Vichy scum.

 

OK.

 

All anonimice here.

 

Name yourself.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 20:25 | 1285341 digalert
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So let's get this straight. The Nobel Peace Prize Barama, the dirty dozen (NATO), are deep in the assassinate Ghadafi mission, which is really protester community support. Now has Libya firing directly at NATO under operation Nobel II. Are we technically at war, or is this a police action squirmish thingy?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 20:47 | 1285399 Use of Weapons
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One question only:

 

Were the missiles used to sink the ship French?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 20:57 | 1285441 robertocarlos
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The powers that be, they like blacked out vans and contingency plans. They like death and glory.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:21 | 1285778 Moe Howard
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It's just another story.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:17 | 1285538 Bear
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Sarkozy ... he should be celebrating, not just about NY, but he just had a baby (or his wife did for your ZH purists) … at 56. I’d celebrate too 

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 21:38 | 1285646 Dr. Porkchop
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Gaddafi : From hell's heart I stab at thee!

 

Hillary: Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 22:26 | 1285782 akak
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!!!

You really made me laugh hard at that one!

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 01:15 | 1286114 Dr. Porkchop
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This campaign will end only when Gaddafi exhausts his supply of Just For Men.

Wed, 05/18/2011 - 00:10 | 1286022 Problem Is
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If I Were Qaddafi-Kaddafi-Gaddafi
I would have taken a shot at a French ship...

You know Sarkozy is a just an impotent French version of Wanker Timmay Geithner...

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