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Libya Threatens Counerstrikes Against Civilians, Mediterranean Traffic If Attacked As UN Set To Vote On Air Strikes At 6 PM

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Minutes after the United Nations announced it would vote on imposing the No Fly Zone (resolution text link) over Libya, which is probably merely a formality at this point with virtually no hold outs on the Security Council, Libya has immediately retaliated by saying that it such a decision would open counterstrikes by Libya against any "air and maritime traffic in the Mediterranean Sea" as well as "civilian and military facilities in the country." Whether this means that Gaddafi will promptly attack his oil infrastructure as Zero Hedge first suggested 3 weeks ago is unclear, but the Crude market is not taking any chances: Brent is now up almost $4 on the day having snapped its several day losing streak.

From Reuters:

Any foreign attack on Libya will endanger air and maritime traffic in the Mediterranean basin and expose the area to both short and long term risks, the Defence Ministry said in a statement broadcast on Libyan television.

The statement said Libya would strike back at civilian and foreign targets if the country comes under attack from foreign forces.

"Any foreign military act against Libya will expose all air and maritime traffic in the Mediterranean Sea to danger and civilian and military (facilities) will become targets of Libya's counter-attack," said the statement.

"The Mediterranean basin will face danger not just in the short-term, but also in the long-term," it said.

The ensuing disruptions to naval traffic should Libya follow through with its threat could mean the short Japan relief-based covering spree in the market today will promptly come to an end.


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Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:06 | 1067402 Ahmeexnal
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I wonder if by "long term" he means 10,000 years of nuclear winter in Europe?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:20 | 1067493 Lord Welligton
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Long term will be about a week if he takes out a civilian aircraft.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:24 | 1067518 kaiserhoff
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Oh goodie.  Now, how many fighter/bombers does the UN have?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:30 | 1067548 Cash_is_Trash
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According to the statement:

civilian and military (facilities) will become targets of Libya's counter-attack

Warships such as the Kearsarge and international naval vessels will be shot at.


Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:06 | 1067695 viahj
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i doubt that.  firing on less armed rebels is one thing but his military commanders wouldn't have the balls to strike the US Navy...ok, maybe one of them is crazy enough to do it

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:22 | 1067776 AnAnonymous
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There is no rebels. Only illegal combatants. Call a spade a spade.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:27 | 1067809 astartes09
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This is Gadaffi we are talking about.  Less we forget that he's already bombed one commercial airliner and sent his fighters on suicide runs against US carriers before.

Its mostly talk, but he will make more than an annoyance for a short time.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:44 | 1067936 gina distrusts gov
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It could be unpleasently intresting if Daffy has aquired  some

of the russan hypersonic antiship cruse missles on the black market

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 17:03 | 1068332 ElvisDog
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Agreed. Quadaffi (how do you spell his name anyway?) isn't crazy, he's smart and ruthless. He knows an attack against the U.S. navy will (A) fail and (B) bring shock and awe down on Libya.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 17:40 | 1068477 dbTX
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not a good idea unless he's looking for a few dozen virgins

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:34 | 1067566 Lord Welligton
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That's why they won't be enforcing the non fly zone.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:42 | 1067596 TonyV
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Not only that they will be enforcing a non-fly zone but I give a 50% chance that air strikes will be authorized.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:43 | 1067605 Lord Welligton
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Agreed. Russia and China would object.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:09 | 1067689 Mercury
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I still don't think the US (read: Obama) will be involved in any Libyan air strikes or troop deployments onto Libyan soil.  Gaddafi is basically promising all out war if anything like that happens and I doubt that a non-US, UN sanctioned force will actually be willing to take that on.

In any case if they wait much longer there aren't going to be many rebels left to defend...

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:12 | 1067733 chinaguy
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Russia will object & Obama will be off the hook for having to do something "uncool"....someone on this site already laid out this scenario a week ago.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:10 | 1067722 Antipodeus
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I don't know about the U.N. - actually, I do: "zero" - but NATO sure has a sh#tload close by.

Fri, 03/18/2011 - 04:01 | 1068115 slewie the pi-rat
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well,  moQ seems to be interpreting the upcoming vote and subsequent military action as an act of war.  duh.

he's been rockin and rollin with some ordinance recently and sounds pretty tuned up, to me, here, if the ear does not deceive...  isn't this how we got into needing to spend trillions to hang saddam?

back to moQ:  now that his targets have increased by 450%, he's feelin capable?  wanna blow something up?  well, now!

or, more likely, just bluffing...

...unless he's getting ready for his "say hello to my li'l friends" moment... but the "UN" (spare me!) is taking the level of belligerence up a notch here, not moQ, he's just doing the civil war thingy.  so far.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:25 | 1067525 Ahmeexnal
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Good point.

Now imagine that A380 ramming into a nukular powerplant in the heart of europe.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:35 | 1067572 Lord Welligton
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Not a pleasant thought I must admit.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:39 | 1067589 zaknick
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Imagine that. Shit on for a thousand years.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:54 | 1067645 MachoMan
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Isn't that also part of our impetus to be in the region?  To protect Europe should this asshole get too desperate...  [along with keeping oil infrastructure operating heh].

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:56 | 1067652 Rodent Freikorps
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God Dammit. It is time we cut the apron strings on Europe. Let them reap what they sow.

No blood for Europe.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:11 | 1067685 MachoMan
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It's not really that simple...  we don't care, per se, we just need to keep up the meme of world police/flowwer of oils.  If this makes our goals coincide, then awesome...  so be it.  If we have to go it alone, so be it.  You don't want to train a pitbull to kill and then keep it in the kennel all day do you?

I also can't fathom how all of this chains into saudi arabia...  we back the rebels in libya and then gut them all in bahrain?  Seems difficult at best to contain this...  and maybe we eventually get sufficient provocation to go into iran, but how do we keep a lid on SA in the meantime?  Too many spinning plates.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:18 | 1067753 Rodent Freikorps
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I would support killing Iran. If we do not kill the source, we will fail anyway.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 16:51 | 1068289 BigJim
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The source of what, brave warrior?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:28 | 1067813 papaswamp
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With Japan offline we need the UK to step up and buy our debt.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 17:19 | 1068420 MachoMan
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At what point do people get spooked?  The FED is the largest holder of treasuries...  that fact in and of itself should send alarm bells off to any sleepwalker.  Further, the UK doesn't buy dick...  China does through the UK...  we just need to make sure Japan doesn't sell its treasuries...  we've got the buying covered....  at least for a while.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 16:02 | 1067655 kaiserhoff
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Anyone else remember Lockerbie, and who ordered it?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:32 | 1067847 Hicham
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I think most nuclear plants are a lot better protected against that sort of thing than they are against earthquakes/tsunamis. Still nasty though

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:41 | 1067597 jus_lite_reading
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Hey TD can you confirm anything about a bank run in Japan?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:07 | 1067408 TWORIVER
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Look look over there...running out of eyes to watch this show.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:34 | 1067568 jesse livermoore
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great post.  you need a head on a swivel

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:43 | 1067600 jus_lite_reading
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Thu, 03/17/2011 - 16:49 | 1068284 PhattyBuoy
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You ain't seen nothing yet ... this is just getting warmed-up.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:08 | 1067410 misterc
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The US should just go and take out this bastard.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:10 | 1067434 SDRII
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yes those decapitation strikes have a good track record. More like Q up the proxy war.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:08 | 1067435 dark pools of soros
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go down to the range if you are itching for target practice

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:19 | 1067497 ArgentDawn
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Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:11 | 1067442 nonclaim
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The US should just go and take out this bastard.

Why? He was an ally until a few weeks ago and by the unwritten laws of war he is winning fair and square.

He's a terrible person and should have gone to jail/executed long time ago. He wasn't and became a "friend of the west". So the question is why now?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:14 | 1067458 misterc
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The US should just finish the job they once started. They bombed Tripolis and tried to kill him after Lockerbie, as far as I know.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:21 | 1067498 tahoebumsmith
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yeah and then funded him for 20 years after they didn't kill him.. Not to mention allowed England to free the man accused of the Lockerbie incidint so they could strike up an oil deal with BP!

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:25 | 1067519 nonclaim
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After that we has received a few times in US soil, tent and blonds included.

The question remains, why now? Who supplied arms and ammunition and incited the "rebels"? The broad spectrum media support for the "rebels".

It's hard to defend such person but he has been acting within his role so far... and he is winning.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:42 | 1067602 AnAnonymous
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There is no rebels. Only illegal combatants... Probably Al Qaeda or Muslim brotherhood...

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:58 | 1067665 Rodent Freikorps
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So what?

This is Italy's mess. The US does not have a dog in this fight. The US should take no action at all.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:12 | 1067730 MachoMan
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Look at the price of oil...  Now who's problem is it?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:26 | 1067757 Rodent Freikorps
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Europe's. We can take the hit. Let them step up, or die.

No more dead Americans to save Europe from themselves. This shit has to end. Three strikes, and you are out.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:24 | 1067787 AnAnonymous
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Italy's mess or not, it does not change the fact that Gaddhadfi's army is killing illegal combatants, not civilians, not rebels.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:29 | 1067816 Rodent Freikorps
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I do not care. The US should sit this one out.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:34 | 1067850 AnAnonymous
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The US should side with Gaddafi as his military is doing a job the US supports: killing illegal combatants.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 16:55 | 1068306 BigJim
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And exactly by what steps does a population rebelling against its tyrant overlord become legal combatants, in your legalistic eyes?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:02 | 1067681 macholatte
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Yes. Good questions without answers. 

Let's put aside all the humanitarian/human rights bullshit and consider why Libya is the next Iraq.

Since the UN has decided to take action (allow the USA to do the heavy lifting) the deal has been cut: the US Taxpayor will pay for 90% of all war costs, the Obama gets to look like a hero and run the US economy further into the ground, the Arabs will keep the oil, Russia and China get to stay out of it but get lucrative contracts to rebuild Libya after it is destroyed, the Soros machine gets a piece of the action, Clinton's charity gets more donations, all war crimes will be the fault of the USA, the French and Germans get to watch but receive lucrative contracts after it's over, and the beat goes on. More maimed and dead Americans, more maimed and dead Americans, more maimed and dead Americans.



Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:13 | 1067736 MachoMan
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I don't see much reasoning in there for us to do this...  it isn't as simple as just needing a place to drop bombs...  those are everywhere!  We need a strategic purpose for doing so...  what is your theory?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:52 | 1068011 macholatte
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there is no "reasoning" as you and I percieve it. The whole thing is about MONEY which you and I do not receive. We pay.

There will be the ongoing blather about humanitarian/human rights abuses and that "we" are the saviour and the bad guy had to be put down but the reality to all this horseshit is that somebody is going to make a lot of MONEY from it and Johnny white-boy who couldn't get a job and volunteered to go into the military is coming home without any legs or in a box.

wash - rinse - repeat


Thu, 03/17/2011 - 17:27 | 1068443 MachoMan
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While the MIC may simply warmonger, it still has strategic motives...  If we want to look at things superficially, we might make the point that there is no purpose to its actions...  but, I think that would be incredibly naive.  These things set up over decades...

For example, why attack middle eastern nations when we could go clean house in south or central america?  War isn't a motive...  it's a means. 

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 20:30 | 1069265 randocalrissian
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In short: "go watch Why We Fight."

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:16 | 1067750 chinaguy
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It ain't over until the vote this evening....this may be more of a face saving mechanism for Obama (not to do anything) than any sort of nation building.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:29 | 1067805 nonclaim
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[reply to self]

After that we has received a few

When dyslexia/lolcat syndrome kicks in it's time to rest. Later folks.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:15 | 1067466 SDRII
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sudden urge to move after Gaddafi warned yesterday all contracts will go to China and Russia after the western betrayal? Or was it his loose lips about funding Sarkozy who is going to lose to the IMF's own Strauss'Kahn

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:24 | 1067517 fredquimby
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yes and yes, errr yes, and yes. +1 SDR2

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:44 | 1067613 SilverRhino
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>>sudden urge to move after Gaddafi warned yesterday all contracts will go to China and Russia after the western betrayal?


Gaddafy (however the fuck that is spelled) could totally fuck Europe and the USA by offering warm water naval basing rights for Russian and Chinese ships.    

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:54 | 1067639 dick cheneys ghost
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US is now asking for land sea and air........thats not a "no fly zone"....thats outright war....rule #1 to dictators.....dont threaten the Fortune Five Hundred


Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:03 | 1067678 Rodent Freikorps
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So Obama is a Shiite. Big surprise.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 16:02 | 1068068 falak pema
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Q-daffy insulted a Five family son : Sarkozy. He's part of the five family gang that runs the world. The word went out : get Q-daffy. Now it's in the UN. Tomorrow it will be toast on libyan soil. Unless O'Bammy, kapo di kapo, has second thoughts and pulls out! In which case Q-daffy will laugh his way to the bank into Benghazi. And the west and the EU will have mud on it's face. Beware, USA, Q-daffy is a rattle snake. He has already bitten USA on the Scottish plane crash; he'll do it again. So act or face the new python of Africa who has his own golden oil box and desire to bite the western ass off! He is in a world of his own. And it has nothing to do with logic. But with ancient and incomprehensible, fascist, obscurantist  black magic. Not that the USA is a reference in democratic logic...but that's another story...

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:21 | 1067769 Fenlander
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You are correct about the "outright war" bit.


I only have a UK perspective on this, but from where I'm sitting, not one of our countries' Governments has covered themselves in glory so far.  The western powers have collectively taken over 3 weeks to get to a position of going for a UN SC resolution authorising force.  History will judge that PM Cameron of the UK reversed his position several times, Pres Sarkozy of France talked the talk but didn't walk the walk, and Pres Obama of the US neutered the US position by keeping totally silent.  All 3 of them, for three weeks.


Now there are less than 24 hours to take effective action, and my guess is that no effective action will be taken at all within that window.


I was in Bosnia in 1994, wearing a UN beret.  The UN bosses in NY assumed that my blue UN beret would give me magic powers to make things "happen" on the ground, because there was a no fly zone.  The reality is the the NATO jets flew overhead without the ability to release bombs, while I was allowed no power - or even allowed to carry a sidearm - to stop a bunch of drunken murdering thugs from killing each other and raping the women.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:27 | 1067810 AnAnonymous
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to stop a bunch of drunken murdering thugs from killing each other and raping the women.


Were they illegal combatants?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:42 | 1067898 Fenlander
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Not according to the UN, if that matters.  It didn't to me.  Deal with the practical reality in front of you, not the useless philosophy.


Whether they were legal freedom fighters or illegal combatants, they were still a bunch of drunken thugs who fought each other in a manner totally alien to internationally accepted laws of war.  Even when judged by the more practical standards of real life wars, their behaviour on the battlefield and in the captured villages was more like the Dirlewanger Brigade's in Warsaw in 1944 than anything you'll see coming out of a sanitised Hollywood war film.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:44 | 1067937 AnAnonymous
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It matters. In Libya, Gadafhi's army is killing illegal combatants.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 16:04 | 1068074 Fenlander
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Well, I certainly respect your opinion.  It is true however that violent uprisings - whether popular or just a military coup - get awarded legitimacy or denied legitimacy by the international world.  You are certainly correct that as of right now, the international world (very imperfectly represented by the UN) has not awarded "legitimate" status to the Libyan uprising.  That could change in an instant with a UNSC vote, such as we are expecting tonight.


The Bosnian Serbs, and Bosnia Croats in 1992 were illegitimate in their uprising against the Muslim-controlled government of Bosnia when it was first recognised.  About 6 weeks later, they had been made legitimate by a UN SC resolution.  The same could happen in Libya.


My view was always more practical.  It didn't help when trying to negotiate right of passage for an aid convoy or an evacuation of children and wounded if you started off by declaring the local warlord "illegal" or similar.  You had to deal with the reality, particularly if he controlled around 200 heavily-armed and suspicious men, no-one else had any weapons, and all I had was a neutral uniform, blue beret and some fine words from important men in NY behind me.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 17:04 | 1068341 BigJim
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AnAnonymous keeps repeating the 'illegal combatants' mantra without explaining i) why he believes the rebels are illegal, and ii) why he believes Gaddafy's force - largely comprising African mercenaries hired via Israel - is 'legal'.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 17:26 | 1068441 Fenlander
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It would be nice if he did.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 16:31 | 1068198 ciscokid
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Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:02 | 1067682 Dangertime
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I doubt things will get to that scale.


And if they did, I would expect an escalation to eventual war.  China is an up and comer, but no way could the Dragon and Russia handle the US and Europe combined.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:22 | 1067506 sangell
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Because he's like J.Edgar Hoover. He's got the dirt on all of Europe's politicians. They all thought he was going down so they got on board the 'dump Gadaffi' bandwagon but now that he's pulled a 'Lazurus' and is out for revenge they need him dead, dead, dead!

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:15 | 1067464 Big Corked Boots
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Give war a chance, eh?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:02 | 1067673 bud-wiser
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Rock The Casbah, Rock The Casbah, Gaddafi dont like it.........

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:39 | 1067587 cossack55
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Wait a minute.  He is suppressing his rebels and we want to bomb him. The Bahrainis and Saudis are suppressing their rebels and we want to suck them off. WTF. Shia vs Sunni? CIA already has control of Bahrain/Saudi? Beuhler?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:45 | 1067611 AnAnonymous
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There is no rebels. Only illegal combatants. Probably Al Qaeda or Muslim Brotherhood...

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:03 | 1067684 Rodent Freikorps
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Are you Iranian, or just stupid?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:16 | 1067743 AnAnonymous
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Simply a person stating the obvious: Gaddafi's military is killing illegal combatants. And indeed, even stupid people can reach the conclusion.

So it raises the question why...

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 18:07 | 1068400 BigJim
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If the Bahrainis and Saudis kill enough of their civilians that the West's politicians come under sufficient pressure from their voters to do something about it, they'll tell them to stop. If Western domestic disquiet reaches a critical point, then the West's 'representatives' will order the current satraps to step down (once it has arranged the next batch of satraps to step into their place).

Gadfly didn't step down as ordered, and is now an embarrassment to Obama, Cameron et al. So they need to take action, remind all the other satraps who's in charge.

That's why we're going after him. If Russia and China don't play along in the UN this time around, the West will supply the rebels with arms and covert training. Russia and China will probably sell arms to Gadfly. If Gadfly gets out of his box and attacks any shipping then the UN will authorise force.

This way, Gadfly's forces are depleted, most of the rebels will have been killed (ie - all the more ballsy civilians who might have made things a bit trickier if we decide to occupy), Gadfly is contained, our MIC gets to give hardware to the rebels at US bondholders' expense, the Russian and Chinese MICs get to sell arms to Gadfly, and the entire ponzi is sustained a little longer.

edit: And, of course, if the UNSC does give permission, it means we get to lay waste all of Gadfly's military... Libya is a rich country, and will need to rearm (how else will it defend itself against the next batch of AnAnonymous' 'illegal combatants'), so it'll be rich pickings all round.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:37 | 1067870 Triggernometry
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I junked you for being an asinine douche bag.

And yes, I bite my thumb at thee, sir.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:07 | 1067416 Larry Darrell
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So when I wake up tomorrow it will be

"Napalm in the morning"?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:28 | 1067538 VinniPukh
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Sodom's 'M16' album? - was a great song.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:38 | 1067581 Fenlander
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Possibly, but probably not.  Maybe by the weekend.


There's going to be a rather vicious race, once this resolution has been passed.  Once Gaddafi's forces get to Benghazi (perhaps 2-3 days at the most?) it's going to be house to house fighting in a built up area, in which case a no fly zone is not going to be very useful in stopping the butchery.  Can you imagine western air forces and navy power dropping bombs into Benghazi?  Not going to happen.  His logistical convoys over the desert roads are not currently included in the resolution, so the F-18s will be flying overhead but not able to stop them legally.


The alternative is to pass it today, authorise strikes on the air defence networks from tomorrow (by a late breaking amendment to the text), and launch immediate strikes on ground forces in the open country west of Benghazi straight afterwards to stop them getting to the city.  I think the chances of the US, France and Britain getting consensus for that level of action is low.


Either way, it's the race to Benghazi, and the UNSC already fired the starting gun when they announced they'd be voting on it tonight.  Let's hope that the US, France and Britain have got the air forces ready to go, because even a 24 hour delay is likely to turn the struggle one way or another.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:12 | 1067715 A Man without Q...
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I think it's just posturing.  They've dragged their feet until Gaddafi's forces are on the verge of victory because they've decided this is not a freedom movement, but tribal warfare, and they don't want to lose the contracts they have worked so long for.  The no-fly zone stuff makes it look like they tried, but behind the scenes, the oil companies, the banks, the Saudis and the Israelis are all putting pressure to keep the bastard in power.  If Gaddafi fell, add in Saudi/ Bahrain worries, Japan etc, it's simply too much to deal with right now.

I suspect that most contracts are signed with companies directly controlled by the Gaddafi family companies, rather than the state, so if the regime fell, they'd have to start from scratch...

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:09 | 1067420 Gene Parmesan
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I wonder what the Nobel Committee thinks about all this. Fools. 

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:06 | 1067694 Rodent Freikorps
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The prize goes to the Anti-American of the year. I don't think they regret their choice.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:09 | 1067423 Debtless
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Same oil, different boogeyman.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:08 | 1067426 dark pools of soros
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and why does anyone feel the need to get involved in this civil war??  Is this BP pushing the world now??

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 17:25 | 1068439 ghostfaceinvestah
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And what about the "protestors" in Bahrain?  (Note they are not called glorious names like "rebels" or "freedom fighters", just "protestors" who are being shot and killed by friendly dictators).

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:11 | 1067440 dark pools of soros
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Clinton just called him a 'creature'


Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:15 | 1067478 PY-129-20
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Poor Qduffy. That'll make him cry three nights.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:30 | 1067547 kaiserhoff
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This is why we pay a CIA station chief in every third world shit hole.  Someone has to stay up to date on a list of colonels, majors, corporals, who are,... ahem, ambitious.

Now, if Obummer would just grow a pair, this could still end well.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:55 | 1067650 kaiserhoff
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I was hopelessly optimistic above.  Perhaps he could borrow a set from Hillary, Sheila, or Michelle?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:12 | 1067725 long juan silver
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Obama: Our first woman President


Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:12 | 1067443 Muir
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You Maniacs! You blew it up! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!



Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:40 | 1067593 cossack55
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Solyent green is people!

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:12 | 1067445 John McCloy
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Everything going on in Japan and they cannot help themselves but meddle with Libya still. Priority number one protect Oil prices and the recovery. Let civil wars be. If your not gonna prevent genocide in Sub Sahara Africa than what rationale for Libya after all these decades?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:28 | 1067533 fredquimby
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Dear Governments,







Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:36 | 1067577 Dr. Richard Head
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Yes USA, go borrow some more from China, print the difference needed, and go help Japan.  That's the ticket.

Grandpa Joe:
I never thought my life could be
Anything but catastrophe
But suddenly I begin to see
A bit of good luck for me

'Cause I've got a Bernanke ticket
I've got a Bernanke twinkle in my eye

I never had a chance to shine
Never a happy song to sing
But suddenly half the world is mine
What an amazing thing

'Cause I've got a Bernanke ticket

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:57 | 1067656 karzai_luver
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Japan imports 100% of their oil.


The only place they want us is protecting that import.


Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:11 | 1067447 alien-IQ
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and as we all know...War is soooooo bullish. Market should rally on this.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:14 | 1067456 TradingJoe
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"This time it's different"!

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:22 | 1067780 Antipodeus
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"It'll all be over by Christmas."

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:13 | 1067448 israhole
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It's all about Israel, and the oil they think they might own one day.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:30 | 1067543 dark pools of soros
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the snakes love to junk, but it would be telling if there was a 'like' button here as well

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:03 | 1067680 Chump
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Yeah we might be able to finally figure out how many Jew-hating imbeciles actually surf ZH.  I mean, seriously, in a post about Gaddafi's latest spew you two mental midgets want to comment on...Israeli oil greed?  Just light yourselves on fire already and put us out of your misery.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:52 | 1068009 Jah I
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Yes... If you critize Israel, GO KILL YOURSELF ALREADY!

Otherwise we'll have to do it for you.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:07 | 1067705 Rodent Freikorps
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You just made the whole Anti-Israel lobby look like idiots.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:11 | 1067449 TradingJoe
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Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:12 | 1067453 the not so migh...
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The radiation cloud should get him do time.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:30 | 1067457 Oh regional Indian
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I wonder what lil snarkozy is thinking, given that Saif Gaddafi has threatened to blow th elid on his little underhanding dealing with campaign finaicing, Blair and BEA systems and slush and hush monies.....long and dirty list.

The current crop of european leaders have to be the joke of the century. All paid for. Of course, Ohhhhhhhh Bummer is right there with them. As is Lula.... I guess you could go around the world with that list.

All looking to build to a crazy near term climax, all the geo=political hot-spots and then poor Japan, which cannot catch a break.




Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:13 | 1067459 DonnieD
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I wonder whose side the UN would have been on in our Civil War?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:20 | 1067504 Confucious 222
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The House of Wrathchild has a long history of funding both sides of conflicts like that.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:45 | 1067612 Oh regional Indian
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Confucious. Wrathchild...that is really really clever.


Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:47 | 1067616 cossack55
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Says it all!              00.58 seconds

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:13 | 1067462 Silverhog
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Nobody is going to steal the show from Col. Daffy. I think he would enjoy letting the military go berserk. Calling Big Blue.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:31 | 1067549 dark pools of soros
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i keep thinking Mel Brooks when I see him

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:17 | 1067468 barliman
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Obama's motorcade has made an unscheduled stop at the Japanese embassy. He has a "statement" on the Japanese situation scheduled for 3:30 PM EDT.

Maybe he stopped by to tell them he has decided to have bunker buster bombs used to undermine the Fukushima reactor site and topple the buildings over into the sea.

This would let him accomplish three things:

1. Be seen as a strong, dynmaic President who took control over the situation and solved it. (If it works)

2. Demonstrate our military capabilities regarding the latest generation of bunker buster bombs to Gadaffi.

3. Attack an American ally who has been pissing him off (Are you paying attention Israel?)

/sarc off


Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:34 | 1067567 sulfur
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You got to be kidding honestly think it would make him a strong dynamic president to toss tonnes of radioactive material in the ocean or to even try it by launching bombs near broken reactors


obama or the teleprompter (thanks tyler ) is just another piece of shit like all the other

so called politicians and banksters he has nothing to decide thats what his nickname indicates he himself like the whole farce of democracy are a diversion in itself

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:36 | 1067574 Confucious 222
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Oh yes, that way he could slither to the front of world events and then announce from the Teleprompter Pulpit he had been leading everything all along.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:42 | 1067595 Hotspur
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Or maybe he is making a quick stop at the embassy to let them know that he is currently running a perfect college hoops Bracket. "What now bitches?"

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:06 | 1067703 barliman
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You did notice the "/sarc off", right?

As in "/sarcasm mode is now being turned off"


Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:14 | 1067469 gwar5
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Of Course Ghaddafi is planning on killing more civilians in retaliation -- the old human shield trick.  They haven't done anything original in that part of the world for 1000 years.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:47 | 1067619 AnAnonymous
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Of Course Ghaddafi is planning on killing more civilians in retaliation

Dont fall for it. Gadafi's military is not killing civilians, only illegal combatants (probably Al Qaeda/ Muslim Brotherhood as you stated a few weeks ago)

Regular armies can kill legally illegal combatants.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:54 | 1067646 cossack55
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The US of amerika has no qualms against killing civilians. Europe/asia circa 42-45, N. korea 51-53, N.VN/cambodia/laos 64-73, Serbia, Iraq, Pakistan, thats just the most current. You can use your own judgement on NYC 2001.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:01 | 1067671 Oh regional Indian
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Cossack, Us of A has no qualms killing/poisoning it's own citizens either. 

You know, I know. it's a long and dirty list. 

Kool Aid is a hard poison to overcome.



Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:15 | 1067737 Rodent Freikorps
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The US military no longer follows the Rules of War. We follow the rules of idiot political correctness. That is why it is all for nothing.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:16 | 1067476 tj3
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Does Libya have modern surface to ship missiles?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:32 | 1067556 dark pools of soros
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Did Mubarak sell him any?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:46 | 1067618 tj3
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The Otomat missile program started in 1967, the same year in which the Israeli destroyer Eilat was sunk by three Soviet-made P-15 Termit anti-ship missiles. This event raised awareness about the effectiveness of such weapons and prompted the development of similar systems in Western countries, such as the Harpoon in the United States. However, it is unknown whether the Otomat program started before or after the Eilat event.

The Otomat program was undertaken by the Italian Oto Melara corporation in cooperation with the French Matra Corporation. The aim was to develop an anti-ship missile powered by a turbofan which would allow more range and a heavier warhead than rocket-powered missiles then being developed in Europe such as the French Exocet and the German Kormoran. Trials started in 1971 and development of the Mk1 version of the Otomat officially ended in 1974.[1]

However, at that time, the French Navy chose the wholly French Exocet over the Franco-Italian Otomat as its standard anti-ship missile. Thus, the Italian Navy remained as the only launch customer for the missile; it entered service on January 1976, before the commissioning of the warship intended to carry it, the Lupo class frigate.[2]. These early Otomat missiles lacked a data link for over-the-horizon targeting, which limited its effective range to 60 km, a similar figure to the Exocet. To solve this problem, development of a Mk2 version started in May 1973, with a first test launch in January 1974, development completed in 1976, and the first over-the-horizon launch in 1978.[1]. By the end of 1976 OTO Melara had reported that 210 Otomats had been sold: Italy 48, Peru 40, Venezuela 12, and Libya 110. Also at this time there were negotiations under way for the sale of 296 more missiles to various nations (i.e. Italy 48, Egypt 30, Venezuela 48, Libya 120, Indonesia 50).[3]

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:48 | 1067627 tj3
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wow, just wow. Sometimes, I feel like a newbee.

from my google search

Libya Threatens Counerstrikes Against Civilians, Mediterranean ...

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Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:46 | 1067614 Captain Kink
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do they have Nuclear facilities?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:15 | 1067477 Ahmeexnal
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17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth [King James Version; the New International Version Bible uses "hills" instead of "mountains"]. 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 17:11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 17:12 And the ten horns which thou saw are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.



Now we know what those verses meant. Ever notice Merkel's favorite suits are purple/scarlet?

She will ride to her doom the 7 headed beast (7 european nations that will attack Libya).

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:18 | 1067488 the not so migh...
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You need a few more armys attacking each other surrounding Jerusalem and desolating it.   Its not time yet.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:34 | 1067851 Antipodeus
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Plus a rebuilt Temple?


Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:23 | 1067516 LFMayor
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Sweet!  Tell me, does your church have rattlesnake dances, too?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:33 | 1067557 Debtless
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golf clap.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:37 | 1067575 TriggerFinger
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I'm guessing they got a keg full of purple kool-aid.   Here, drink this my son. 

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:17 | 1067747 stormsailor
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"ABSOLUTELY NOT"   they are copperhead only.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:33 | 1067563 Bananamerican
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early church writing.....refers to 7 hills of Rome (christian persecutions)...Nero...etc...

They wanted shit fixed way back in the day...2000 YEARS LATER...we still do.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:12 | 1067721 bbq on whitehou...
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Peace and normalicy have their price. Freedom has it's.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:33 | 1067836 Antipodeus
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When did ROME get into this?

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:47 | 1067947 SubjectivObject
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Ignorance interprets allegory; no result.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:23 | 1067510 onlooker
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fools play

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:22 | 1067514 John Law Lives
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Pushing this guy into a corner may beget some unfortunate circumstances.  Watch out for sabotage of the oil infrastructure.  If Gaddafi gets pinned to the point of no return, he may sabotage everything he can.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:01 | 1067676 karzai_luver
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If we would have come in a week ago with a little show of force and taken out a few of his assests he would have caved like the goof he is.


His boys and he , given one of two choices would take the money and babes and run.


Only a gutless loser like Obamammy can be backed down by a goofball like this dude.


Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:30 | 1067554 Weimar Ben Bernanke
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There is no way this resolution will pass. Russia and China will vote no. If Europe is so worried about Libya why can't they bomb K-Daffy Duck. I mean Britain,France,Germany,Spain,Italy all have airforces. Why can't they do a joint airstrike against Libya instead waiting on us to do it? France has the largest military in Europeand its navy has blue water capability. The German Luftwaffe is pretty powerful,the Royal Navy is very powerful. With all this why can't these nations just do it themselves. We cannot afford to bomb Libya. We are overstretched and a decade away to bankruptcy. We should not get involved and let Europe solve this mess.



If we intervene in Libya, the navy in the Persian Gulf should turn its guns on the government of Bahrain which is murdering its people right now too, or stop supporting the thug in Yemen. Or what about Ivory Coast? Are the people there less interesting to Neocons than Libyans?

I'd love it if the rebels won in Libya, but the hypocrisy of demanding intervention in Libya while we support murderers elsewhere shows that it has to do with oil and geopolitics, not a real opposition to Gaddafi's policies. Let's face it, people love to think of the US government as the world's police, but every time it acts in that way, it only ever does so according to its interests.


 A thwarted revolution in Libya will go underground and continue. Like Hamas and Hizbollah, they'll find a way to carry on their fight. And the Saudis have probably just ignited a Sunni-Shia conflict that could spell trouble for them in their oil-producing region. In Bahrain, the Saudis are making their very own Gaza, complete with a majority held down for decades and lots of Iranian weapons and other help that is likely to start finding its way there.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 14:48 | 1067629 AnAnonymous
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Only illegal combatants, see above.

Thu, 03/17/2011 - 15:03 | 1067686 karzai_luver
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yeah yeah we know all everywhere , except may you are moozzi bros.


stuff it clown.

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