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Live Chat With Julian Assange Crashes Guardian Website, As Assange Prepares To Be Arrested Imminently

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The Guardian, which earlier was conducting a live chat with Julian Assange from an undisclosed location, has generated such massive traffic that the entire Guardian website was down at last check. We expect the Guardian will find some (Swedish) replacement servers, at which point we suggest readers join in the chat which can be accessed at the following link. This is likely the last live interview with Assange before he is arrested any minute now.

The Guardian:

And just tweeted by the Guardian:

 


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Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:14 | Link to Comment Red Neck Repugnicant
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Hopefully Assange is quickly executed, as Bill O'Reilly and Sarah Palin have called for. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:17 | Link to Comment HelluvaEngineer
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I'm glad old Sarah finally showed us what kind of "tea party" she wants to lead.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:19 | Link to Comment TheGreatPonzi
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Red Neck, why do you assume that most people on this blog support Sarah Palin or Glenn Beck? The only thing I find attractive in Palin is that she's a MILF.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:23 | Link to Comment unwashedmass
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yeah, that would literally broadcast the idea of the US as the world dominator......

has the Fox Brain trust figured out that Assange is Australian yet? And it is literally impossible for him to commit treason against the US?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:57 | Link to Comment bobboberson
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+1

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:01 | Link to Comment curbyourrisk
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Isn't the leadership of FOX originally from Australia?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:23 | Link to Comment TradingJoe
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I strongly concur! She would need some serious "doing" to calm her down! :-))

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:27 | Link to Comment Abigail Adams
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I believe the correct term is GILF.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 11:27 | Link to Comment WALLST8MY8BALL
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XGILF

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:58 | Link to Comment Thomas
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The Young Turks on the radical right's response to Wikileaks...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QsmfKHQJrM

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 14:48 | Link to Comment Bob
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Thank God.  All this left-right bullshit is so profoundly dangerous.  Good to know that my principled brothers and sisters on the right have their thinking caps and cameras on. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:01 | Link to Comment carbon based unit
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given the handle "red neck repugnicant" one wonders if there isn't some measure of colbert-ish sarcasm implied

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 13:36 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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He claims to be a disaffected Republican. Why that causes him to make an ass of himself in a forum with a largely libertarian or individualist atmosphere eludes me.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 13:11 | Link to Comment jmc8888
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Sarah Palin has always been a fascist.  Anyone that thought otherwise is a fucking idiot.

She's an idiot fascist.  Who thinks everything SHE does is American. 

Nope, everything she does is either a mistake, or told to her, which is usually fascist.  Hell even now her mistakes are 'fascist'. 

The Queen's fascist "Tea Party" - this is what she's been setting up

We're sooooo american.....no you're soooooo fascist.

I can see a fascist from my computer screen.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:57 | Link to Comment aerojet
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Sure, I mean why would we want any accountability in government?  It should all just be autocracy and we lowly serfs should just be happy the king doesn't want his soldiers to be quartered in our homes.  Those fucking losers Palin, Lieberman--we need more Assanges, not fewer!

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 14:42 | Link to Comment In Fed We Trust
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Two days ago they removed his servers from Amazon.

Now the they are claiming it was a cyber attack.

 Which one is it?

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:16 | Link to Comment HelluvaEngineer
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Godspeed Assange.

To everyone else: We've always been at war with Eastasia

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:01 | Link to Comment Greater Fool
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Double plus ungood.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:46 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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orwell is the best on this stuff.  it's like tptb are reading 1984 and the essays for tips.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 13:39 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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I get my tips from Atlas Shrugged. Gotta love a supposedly dystopian story in which the good guys prevail.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 15:48 | Link to Comment Bring the Gold
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Yeah I used to make that joke too...until I found out they really DO admire 1984:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5077917/Mexicos-president-given-George-Orwells-1984-by-the-Queen.html

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:17 | Link to Comment Tense INDIAN
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what a Drama ....i guess they are using this single bullet to do a lot of damage.......

 

http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2010/12/wikileaks-founder-julian-a...

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:28 | Link to Comment Ethics Gradient
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I'm just a simple boy and get confused easily.

Am I supposed to wish for an end to the banksters because they rob people of their money, or should I want to keep them in business because if they go under people will get robbed of their money?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:37 | Link to Comment Tense INDIAN
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thats why they call this the matrix....u r trapped.....unless people completely free themselves of the system.....anyway ....DECEMBER 7th 1941...PEARL HARBOUR attack...nice coincidence...how about a financial Pearl Harbor

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 11:14 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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u r not alone.  even poor richard seemed to get confused toward the end of his post:  the sordid rape accusation was to discredit investigative journalists, he said.  well assange is the one so accused so is he a rothschild/cia agent provocateur or is he an investigative journalist deserving of credence (of course he could be both, cue rod serling). 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:17 | Link to Comment daz
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It is curious to see how quickly they reacted to attack wikileaks website and going to arrest Assange quickly after saying that next release would be about banks.  They can say anything about war or governments.. but banks.... oh... don't mess with the banks... they have the power.

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 13:15 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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"The banks have the power" is one interpretation.

Another interpretation is that the only thing holding the economy together is mark-to-unicorn and a total blackout on negative data on the banks. Phony stress tests, artificial high financial stock prices, the whole thing. The whitewash job is there for a reason.

If WikiLeaks breaks a big story on one or more banks, that will be the first real exposure for banks in over 2 years. You can expose Pentagon papers all you want to and not topple the global economy. Might be good for some protests in London, but that's it. But you publish anything of actual substance concerning the banks and you might have an actual annihilating catastrophe on your hands.

We won't know until it all comes out. But that's been my thinking all along.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:18 | Link to Comment TheGreatPonzi
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Not only the Wikileaks servers are down, but also the servers of Sunshine Press. Impossible to contact Wikileaks right now through the Internet, even by email.

If Assange really plans to release serious stuff about American banks, I can guess why the govs are horribly worried...

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:30 | Link to Comment Shylockracy
Fri, 12/03/2010 - 11:10 | Link to Comment DCon
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Wikileaks has moved to Switzerland.

 

 

www.wikileaks.ch will get you there.

 

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 11:20 | Link to Comment CPL
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wikileaks.info

provides the list of mirrors.

A feller in this thread has the direct IP address. BTW much more secure in term of people being unable to track you when combined with a proxy browsing portal like.

www.remainhidden.com

Only one I can confirm that doesn't log any visits because I helped to build it (friends and I don't make money from it, the ads are there to cover the bandwidth...even then it seems to cost a buck or five a month on top). I have a couple of personal ones but I keep them unpublished to avoid the 4chan banned crowd from killing them.

Suggestions though get ad blocker otherwise you'll go stark raving insane from the ad spam through the proxy portal. I'm not worried about a couple hundred guys in zerohedge using it to cover their asses while researching.

If you want to look up other proxy engines boingboing.org has link on how to set up circumventor to bypass annoyances like firewalls and tracking.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:19 | Link to Comment Seymour Butt
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Tyler - I read this from AP London (looks like Sweden is the US new lapdog):

"The documents also included a frank assessment from the American envoy to Stockholm about Sweden's historic policy of nonalignment — a policy that the U.S. ambassador, Michael Woods, seemed to suggest was for public consumption only.

 

Sweden's military and intelligence cooperation with the U.S. "give the lie to the official policy" of non-participation in military alliances, Woods said. He added in a separate cable that Sweden's defense minister fondly remembers his time as a high school student in America and "loves the U.S."

 

Woods cautioned American officials not to trumpet Sweden-U.S. cooperation in the fight against terrorism too openly, because that would open up the Swedish government to domestic criticism."

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 11:20 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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as so many have noted, if they hate us for our freedoms, why don't they attack sweden? wouldn't want to drag that into question would we?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 13:06 | Link to Comment Imminent Crucible
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Evidently their way of attacking Sweden is to colonize it.  Some large Swedish cities have Muslim populations of 30% and higher.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:19 | Link to Comment wiskeyrunner
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Once again the stock index futures are way ahead of the payroll data, Dow futures now up 28 points. Seems once again everyone but main street knows the numbers. Here is the results after the release, surge higher cash market opens flat for 6 hours.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:23 | Link to Comment Shylockracy
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Stay fearless, Julian.

The world is watching, and retribution will meet your tormentors soon enough.

 

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:24 | Link to Comment TheGreatPonzi
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Come on. The Guardian website cannot be overloaded simply by normal user connections, as there has been no widestream publicity on this Q/A.

Can you spell "DDOS" ?

And even more precise, "DDOS of panicked government agencies"?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 13:38 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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I agree. We've being seeing evidence of that all week around WikiLeaks.

For the non-network savvy in the reading crowd:

DDOS (distributed denial of service) is a method of deliberately swamping an Internet service with bogus requests for information (actually, just half-open connections for requests) to essentially knock it off the network. As long as the attack continues, almost nobody else can connect. Some will and some won't so you get a lot of "hey it works for me" reports when in reality it's not working in any real sense.

It is called "distributed" because modern servers cannot be taken down by one or a few clients banging on it, instead it takes thousands or tens of thousands in a coordinated effort. In fact nobody has that much hardware sitting around nor the bandwidth, but they don't need to. Millions of computers on the Internet have been compromised by malware "robots" that install themselves on individual machines and corporate servers with Internet access, and sit there awaiting instructions. People get malware by visiting infected web sites or openning infected emails, and corporate servers running vulnerable operating systems can be opened and infected directly. Once installed the malware deliberately does nothing; it just waits. A swarm of computers so infected represent what is termed a "botnet", or robotic network, and can be made to perform virtually any task their masters decide on. Including launching a broadly distributed "denial of service" attack against a target system or service.

Several thousand machines, distributed over the planet, are very difficult to defend against. A DDOS is a very effective tool to shut down an offending site. However it can only work as long as the botnet is operating and the the admins decide to use their bots in this manner. Eventually the DDOS will end and service simply resume.

A DDOS is therefore not a tool of espionage -- it is not "hacking" against the target system. A DDOS is useful for harassment ("shut up") and perhaps extortion ("pay up"). It is not known for a fact that any governments or corporations run any of the hundreds of suspected botnets ... but only a fool would actually assume otherwise. Even if the NSA didn't set out to create such a network themselves they could very easily acquire one by arresting a botnet admin and coercing the admin codes out of them. We all know how that works.

My guess is that either a government or a large institution is using a domesticated botnet to harass the WikiLeaks folk. It could also be an individual with a grudge or out to make money ("pay up" model) but that seems far less likely here.

This is a fascinating area of information warfare (info-war) that we can expect to see a lot more of in the future.

-= Professor Cat =-

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 14:17 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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Oh and one additional point:

The US government and their corporate allies have been engaging in a kind of info-war with the American people and the world for going on 20 years now. The MSM have been bought with hard cash, and taught how to report "news", and entertainment has gone the route of simple brain-stem-level distractions that do not require nor encourage thought. This is how you control information without actually having to suppress anyone's right to say what is on their mind.

The Internet is changing that. For example ZH, but also NakedCap and RealClimate and thousands of other sites. And beyond sites, technologies like public key encryption and torrent feeds and even chat rooms. Things are not going nearly so well now as they did the last 20-30 years. The game is changing.

And ... TPTB know the game is changing and they sense they are at risk of losing some of their gains. They are right on that one.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:29 | Link to Comment fuu
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He should have just released all of the cables at once instead of this trickling it out policy. The torrent I was able to grab only had 612 items in it. If people can not get to your website it is sort of pointless.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:33 | Link to Comment TradingJoe
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Julian could become the "trigger" to all this shit blowing up! I dare to think that if anything happens to him the world won't look away! If it does then we can all assume real control of ourselves and our lives in particular(guns ammo=resistance=war=revolution=regain of liberty and freedom) and REMOVE THESE LEECHES! 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:35 | Link to Comment Thepnr
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Is the wikileaks insurance file insurance.aes256 for real, I'm dubious, if it's not a red herring containing only gibberish then the NSA have more than likely cracked it already.

Hopefully it is gibberish and the NSA super computers are still working on cracking it with no end in sight.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:41 | Link to Comment TheGreatPonzi
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AES 256, with a very strong password, cannot be cracked, even if all the world's supercomputers were running night and day during a thousand years to bruteforce it.

If you find this hard to believe, even the FBI has not been able to crack the hard drives of a Brazilian banker after trying more than one year.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:56 | Link to Comment Shylockracy
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You are assuming the FBI had an interest in cracking the hard drives. The said banker was a major player in the privatization of Brazil's telecoms infrastructure and a conduit for vast amouts of Wall St. capital.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:06 | Link to Comment TheGreatPonzi
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Maybe, but there are still technical impossibilities in cracking AES. If the FBI/NSA themselves use this algorithm for top-secret data, that means an external power cannot crack it.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 16:41 | Link to Comment Bring the Gold
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Damn it how does one put up pictures on this site? Is WilliamBanzai7 holding that as a state secret?

For a related and hilarious comic go here:

http://xkcd.com/538/

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:34 | Link to Comment Kina
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Attorney Confirms WikiLeaks Founder Julian Assange in Britain, Responds to U.S. Attacks

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/12/2/attorney_confirms_wikileaks_founde...

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 15:15 | Link to Comment Bob
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BY FAR THE MOST WIDELY INFORMATIVE INFO I'VE SEEN ON THIS SITUATION!

As an aside, thank God the "left" is not getting entirely sucked into the madness hole.  Amy Goodman walks the walk . . . as she did when she was arrested at the Repub National Convention for straying out of the designated "Free Speech" area. 

Wish Maddow weren't abusing her liberal consituency with sick propoganda.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:34 | Link to Comment thetruth
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I question whether wikileaks is actually independent as they haven't promoted any of the damning information about 9/11 that is already out there.  Unless they did and the media outlets aren't reporting on it.

Maybe they are just supposed to distract everyone from some other issue...

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 13:46 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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they haven't promoted any of the damning information about 9/11 that is already out there

It ain't Reader's Digest. They leak new info when it's available.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 13:53 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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WikiLeaks doesn't "promote" anything. They are a resource for distributing leaks from whistleblowers. The whole 9/11 truther thing has gone about as far as it is going to, like it or not it is no longer salient.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 16:09 | Link to Comment Bring the Gold
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Not salient? Only if folks give up on it as you clearly have.

Really, nothing in the past 40 years is more "salient" than 9/11. Nothing. Maybe since the founding of the FED.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 14:55 | Link to Comment Eureka Springs
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ANd someone is supposed to think your remarks are not an attempt at distraction from all which wiki has revealed and confirmed.

wake up. The more the cretins (from Lieberman to incessant dos attacks, accusations of rape, etc) occur the more you should pay attention to what is being revealed.

 

without debating 9-11... you should realize the same cretins who did that and or hide the truths... are the same one wiki is exposing now.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 16:11 | Link to Comment Bring the Gold
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Are you suggesting Hilliary Clinton and Iran did 9/11? Cause that's who I see as the big losers in "cablegate". All the wikileaks with the exception of the Scientology leaks have all aided the anglosphere in it's push for more wars in the Middle East. Put your thinking cap on. They haven't revealed anything damaging that wasn't already known eg torture/collateral damage.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:41 | Link to Comment fenner
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Let those truth released. At least, we do know what kind of ironic world we live in. I still look forward to reading those releases on banks.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:42 | Link to Comment wiskeyrunner
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Just a great buy opportunity, we all know the FRBNY won't let the market fall far, just another zero risk buy.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:46 | Link to Comment CPL
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If they catch him, the password to the torrent he distributed goes out to everyone. Not just the 2600ers.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:47 | Link to Comment Thepnr
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TheGreatPonzi thanks for putting me right.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:48 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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http://www.alternet.org/world/130891/breaking_the_taboo_on_israel's_spying_efforts_on_the_united_states/?page=entire

Israeli telecom spying etc. Is it any wonder why wikileaks (whatever that is) gets so much information of this type?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fstT_dBRsvU

Main stream media, is on board , by showing everything that wikileaks is releasing. This means it is "ok" to them that this information is released. Interesting , no? Therefore one must conclude this is a mossad operation.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:53 | Link to Comment thetruth
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Yes, I agree.  How many whistleblowers has the government silenced that we have no idea about?  Surely they didn't let this data get out by mistake.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:00 | Link to Comment High Plains Drifter
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Now they are pretending to put this man under arrest, and bother him etc. This is in order to make him appear legit and to give him his bona fides. They might arrest him and put him in jail for a while, but it doesn't really matter. When he gets out, he will be a hero, having served some time for the "movement"  Yeh sure. I was suspicious about this thing since day one. Just ask yourself  cui bono?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:06 | Link to Comment thetruth
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I think there are three possibilities:

 

a. They are simply using wikileaks as a distraction whenever they need one.  I'm sure everything is fine now in the Korean peninsula, right?

 

b. They will continue to allow bits of information to filter out into the public to increasingly enrage the people.  At which point, if anyone were to rise up, they have a perfect excuse to strip more freedoms and take more control.

 

c.  Both

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:15 | Link to Comment zelter
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Bullshit. They would stop WikiLeaks if they could, and are trying to. There is no need or desire on behalf of our managerial elite, nor a master ploy, to feed the rubes anything. The longer they are held glued to their television sets, pondering that the only thing remaining unresolved is the absolutely cah-ray-zee thing that will happen on the next episode of their favourite TV show or on the sports channel, the better for the freaks.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:27 | Link to Comment thetruth
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All I'm saying is that almost nothing has ever made it's way into mainstream media that wasn't meant to be there.  The most obvious example is how GE owned NBC.  And GE receives funds from the FED.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 14:07 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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That is an absurd argument. By your definition, anything that gets any exposure is automatically suspect as propaganda, and anything deprived of exposure is automatically the whole and entire truth.

Given your alias, we can see what your problem is.

There is a wider world out there. Get outside (your box) and explore it.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:15 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Not really, as was previously said, wikileaks is still attempting to gain credibility with the general world populace.  Once this occurs, its handlers will be free to distribute disinformation...  Essentially, we could even run into a situation where wikileaks presents incorrect information while the mainstream media goes straight, but because of subscribership and lack of trust, no on listens to the mainstream media...  In this sense, you can view wikileaks as an escape pod for media control. 

The trick to good political maneuvers is plausible deniability.  Meaning, there have to be multiple, simultaneous explanations for events to continue undetected manipulation.  Wikileaks could be, at the very least, a political maneuver given the broad range of possibilities.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 13:52 | Link to Comment zelter
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Assange wrote the following as a response in the Q&A:

> The west has fiscalised its basic power relationships through a web of contracts, loans, shareholdings, bank holdings and so on. In such an environment it is easy for speech to be "free" because a change in political will rarely leads to any change in these basic instruments. Western speech, as something that rarely has any effect on power, is, like badgers and birds, free. In states like China, there is pervasive censorship, because speech still has power and power is scared of it. We should always look at censorship as an economic signal that reveals the potential power of speech in that jurisdiction. The attacks against us by the US point to a great hope, speech powerful enough to break the fiscal blockade.

Hence he gets it--to an impressive point, too. You're inventing convoluted conspiracies where they are none. WikiLeaks publishes material that was released to them and is able to cursorily verify. If the government fabricates credible data and releases it to WL, it can and might compromise them indirectly. Otherwise, Assange is a good guy and his team will filter and release leaks to the best of their ability.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 14:50 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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I don't subscribe to any particular theory on wikileaks as to its motivations and purpose...  These I do not know and I inherently question.  However, credibility IS being developed at this stage in the business model...  the information has to be correct and authentic...  the topic is largely irrelevant.

Once credibility on a sufficient scale is developed, then they can ratched up and drop larger bombs...  gaining even more credibility/goodwill along the way.

The issues that arise through this process are numerous, e.g.: (1) what happens to the traditional media while wikileaks (and I'm sure others) become recognized as the purveyors of truth and real information?  (2) once power has shifted, what keeps wikileaks, et al, honest and away from the pitfalls that have besieged the traditional media?

Point being, if I were going to devise a safety net for media control, I would adopt a wikileaksesque system, release generally inconsequential information, albeit "secret", and gain goodwill before the public rejected my current control system.

All I'm pointing out is there are a myriad of possible purposes for wikileaks...  I have no idea...  you can call it conspiracy theories or whatever you'd like...  but the point remains there are an incredible amount of curious things which all lead to confusion on our parts to understand its purpose and motivations.  In today's world, you do not get to be presumed a good guy until proven otherwise...  he's just a guy as far as I'm concerned...  one who could be good, bad, or ugly.  Time may tell.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 16:22 | Link to Comment Bring the Gold
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A sensible attitude and where I find myself as well. Sadly, until I see Assagne imprisoned forever and/or taken out by the powers that be I will question his credibility. Such is the nature of this insane world we find ourselves in.

Better to spend my time cultivating my own spiritual path then to attempt to untangle the webs of the power elite intel agencies. In the end it doesn't really matter anyways. People either get the over arching scheme or they don't. Shadowy intel wars probably won't mean much when all is said and done.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:11 | Link to Comment zelter
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You are hopelessly paranoid and haven't even read through the cables -- some of which are pretty damning against the yids -- or other releases on Israel.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 11:30 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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is "yids" the best term?  doesn't it undercut persuasiveness generally?  although possibly giving you cred in this interchange (oh the irony).

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:13 | Link to Comment zelter
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I'll just point out that due to their overrepresentation in fields directly connected to Western economic and social demise, I'd be more horrified at what Jews do than what they are called, which is, since you asked, by far not the best (read: worst) term I can and should use.

It's not the use of slurs that bothers you--all people love slurs, as long as they're not against officially exalted groups--it's that my position is known to be socially disreputable. You've internalised a worry that you will damage your social status, and take your conditioning as far as decrying the heresy through anonymous Internet postings. You (or at least someone else) have probably already thought: "Wow, I didn't know this kind of blatant racism was allowed here. I may have to reconsider my participation." Heh.

Even with millennia of abuse at the hands of Jews and their financial schemes, people hardly take explicit notice of them. Time for that to change. However, this is not to be done through paranoid fuming about a minority of the media reporting WikiLeaks data--which it can't ignore due to the Internet--while the majority, especially the patriotard honchos and the most rabid philo-Semites calling for his head. This leak is not a Mossad operation and Israel--since Jews are typically not the people they present themselves to be--came off looking worse because of it. I mean, one cable exposes their setting a timetable for an attack on Iran! Another example: http://213.251.145.96/cable/2009/05/09TELAVIV1098.html SUBJECT: ISRAEL, A PROMISED LAND FOR ORGANISED CRIME?

Lastly, I personally know Assange from his nerdier days and it's very unlikely that he is corrupt, or would ever become so sans torture/coercion.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 16:30 | Link to Comment Bring the Gold
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So again this is some kind of revelation? Anyone surprised that Israel is planning an attack (with timetable!) on Iran is clearly a recently awakened coma victim. Frecking DUH! How does that damage Israel again? I mean have they not made repeatedly clear their extreme animosity towards Iran?

Now if he leaked some cables showing Mossad/AIPAC influence directly effecting American decision making that might be something if it was big enough. Even that wouldn't really mean much and likely wouldn't be harmful.

Unless there is something truly epic released by wikileaks that actually does some damage to the Anglo-American power structure I'm going to maintain a skeptical and even cynical stance towards wikileaks.

By the way my wife is of Jewish descent and unlike some of the sick racist anti-semites in this forum I place blame on leadership of a variety of peoples and not races and creeds which of course is insane.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 16:14 | Link to Comment Bring the Gold
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Indeed, just like they arrest an undercover cop in front of the mafia/drug dealers to make him look legit.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 13:57 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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 Surely they didn't let this data get out by mistake.

Like they had any choice? What are they going to do ... shut down the Internet? And how would they actually manage that when 2/3 of the Internet isn't even operating on US soil?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:50 | Link to Comment L_Gobbo
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How fondly nostalgic I am of the time when the US was the "land of the free, home of the brave." Maybe there never was such a time, but at least you could talk about the 1st and 4th amendments with a straight face.

But the oligarchy is quickly becoming impatient with having to go through the motions of a representative democracy and a free society where individuals are protected from government abuse. The pace is quickening at which they are increasingly resorting openly to brute force (Pittsburgh G20, TSA, website takedowns, drone assassinations, etc., etc.) with no pretensions of fluffy sheeple-distractors like "rights" or "due process."

Tyler: Be careful. It's only a matter of time before they come after ZH and/or you. Maybe Julian Assange should have done all his work anonymously, though then we'd never know it when they arrest and/or disappear him.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:00 | Link to Comment sumo
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If anything happens to Assange - plane crash, hit-and-run, mysterious poisoning, disappearance, the usual CIA/FSB protocol - I think it will unleash a wave of anti-govt feeling that hasn't been seen since the Kent State shootings.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:55 | Link to Comment koaj
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i think kent state will look like an afternoon tea party if that happens. the internet tends to get things out there very quickly

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 11:39 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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i hope you are right but i think you are wrong, at least for now in the u.s.  

the eurozone looks much more promising.  they are being told directly: we are taking your safety net away and raising your taxes substantially to make good on the investment of the banks' senior bondholders who have apparently made poor investments in banks who themselves made poor investments in real estate and associated securities.

kent state was powered by men and boys (and female friends) about to be drafted by nixon to die in vietnam.  it takes the prospect of really bad pain to get them in the streets.  but we shall see.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 13:54 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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What are the 'people' going to do? Eat more tacos?

Americans are too fat to do anything real.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 13:55 | Link to Comment steve from virginia
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What are the 'people' going to do? Eat more tacos?

Americans are too fat to do anything real.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 09:55 | Link to Comment Mark Medinnus
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A man is only as old as the woman he feels.  GM

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:10 | Link to Comment virgilcaine
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Waiting for the wiki bank dump.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:07 | Link to Comment sandorgb
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Assange is a hero.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:31 | Link to Comment Kina
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He should dump/upload the bank data this instant...and also email the file to thousands of people who do the same...saturate the world with the file so no matter of attack will stop it. Whilst it is still hidden his life is at risk from bankster agents (govt agencies).

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:34 | Link to Comment MachoMan
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Not really.  So long as the credible threat remains of its dissemination, he has a "stay alive" card.  If he distributes it, what reason do they have to allow him to potentially release more information?  Simply put, if I were them, I would turn up the heat to let him know we mean business, he really is in danger, and that we would like for him to find another ant to fry with the magnifying glass (light).  They have no other choice really...  If he dumps it anyway, kill him and make an example...  if he doesn't dump it, ensure that wikileaks is sufficiently corralled and you get editorial powers over its dissemination (since the dumps ARE redacted, altered, etc. and there is sufficient lag time between dumps).

If he is really who he portrays to be, then he is at a very interesting time in his life and has some very difficult decisions to make.  But, needless to say, dumping the information will not likely stop the world nor save his life...  those contingencies are not on the table. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:22 | Link to Comment belogical
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Damn, lets pass the condom law here in the states. We can then buy prison stocks and retire

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:32 | Link to Comment Miss Expectations
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What, they don't have female condoms in Sweden?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 15:23 | Link to Comment Bob
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Interesting question. 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:42 | Link to Comment johnnymustardseed
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You have to admire his tenacity and fearlessness. Right wingers hate when they are pointed out as criminals. Our foriegn policy has taken us to the point we find ourselves,but many wish to continue down the road to total ruin.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 13:06 | Link to Comment laosuwan
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You have to admire his tenacity and fearlessness

 

actually its called narcissism

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 13:53 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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You could go into the leaks biz, but nobody gives a shit about what you say.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 21:41 | Link to Comment laosuwan
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Tutor boy! Your baaaaaack. Havent seen you on the streets of sukhumvit looking for your dream katoey for awhile. How are classes going? or did your contract not get renewed? I hear they are looking for english teachers in Cambodia. Food's not as good but maybe you can survive there a few more years after your unenemployment benefits run out. Ta ta. Tutor boy.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 10:48 | Link to Comment New Revolution
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They are just going to make Julian Assange a martyr and another will take up the flag.   They can put him in jail too and another will take his place.    Then there will be two martyr's and they can make as many more martyr's as they like because it won't end with Julian.    Welcome to the New Revolution, the Banksters are going down.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 14:19 | Link to Comment RichardP
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No they're not.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 12:38 | Link to Comment YHWH
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They should find a nice bulletproof server in China or Russia.

Then they can make a little side money sending viagra spam at the same time.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 13:03 | Link to Comment laosuwan
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couldnt happen to a nicer guy. let him count the days on his Julian calendar. maybe he will spill the beans on how high up the chain the leak sources went, maybe they even came from the decisive destroyer himself. who hates american more than obama?

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 13:55 | Link to Comment CrockettAlmanac.com
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who hates american more than obama?

 

The obvious answer is you do, scumbag.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 21:32 | Link to Comment laosuwan
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Obvious? How so potty mouth? Or am I supposed to believe that Obama is working hard to build on American exceptionalism and this reckless Julian punk just somehow managed to get all this stuff without help from the very top?

 

Nice try at taqiyya. Armchair deceiver, tutor boy

 

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 14:03 | Link to Comment cougar_w
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Wow. This whole thing has really tied a knot in your tail, hasn't it?

I guess the next thing will be Assange stole your idea. And he's not even doing it right.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 21:37 | Link to Comment laosuwan
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not really, my tail is docked. But what does annoy me is the way everyone is treating this guy like he is some kind of hero or martyr but never wondering how it is possible he can be coming into this information and the motives of whoever may be helping him. Is this guy really a hero or maybe is it possible he is a tool for deliberate damage being done to usa and its allies by someone(s) very high in the government who are the only ones that have access to this info? is he a hero or a traitor? You cannot decide one without at least considering the other, can you? Seems to me there is too much group think on this topic and there is a risk in that.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 13:15 | Link to Comment Browncoat79
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Can't stop the signal. Everything goes somewhere.....

They can't win this.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 14:08 | Link to Comment MyKillK
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I thought he was being prepared to be imminently arrested....yesterday.

Wikileaks is such a circus.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 16:40 | Link to Comment Bring the Gold
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Indeed, one of many, many red flags around wikileaks. Thanatos where are you man? You give up the very best info on the siprnet download.

Fri, 12/03/2010 - 14:29 | Link to Comment Orwell was right
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Orwell WAS right....big brother is alive and well....and working hard to eliminate any and all who oppose or expose. 

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