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Live Tokyo Geiger Counter
Those who wish to bypass the media entirely and observe Tokyo radioactivity directly, and the SPEEDI site is down (as it seems to always be), below we present a realtime webcast of a live Tokyo Geiger counter.
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Glad to see the screen display provides for several orders of magnitude of pessimism.
You guys are too pessimistic and that is UNAMERICAN!!
Worse case scenario is dumping concrete to the FUK-U-ISLAND Nuke reactors (there are only 10 of them,so US Navy can handle it easy!)
Then the vol will come in big time and everythign will be BID again.
NOW BTFD!!
Engineering discussion forum for those interested:
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=480200&page=10
For those stupid guys junked my post---Did you see where the Japan ETF EWJ is going?
Did I tell you BTFD (RIGHT HERE. TWO POST ABOVE) an hour ago???
Smart guys never make money!! Try to close your eyes and follow the FED! (AND ECB/BOE/BOJ/PBOC...)
While watching that little screen...
I was wondering...
at what radiation level do electronics stop to work?
I'm trying not to chuckle.
I won't chuckle, I won't chuckle
I.... did
6.2 earthquake near MT fuji...........breaking news from NHK
http://nakedempire.wordpress.com/
"at what radiation level do electronics stop to work?"
At about ten times the level where the nearby people stopped working.
Use this Google doc as a substitute:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/lv?key=tgXu86sAcSkqNVbyCooH_Bw&toomany=t...
At what reading do your little arms stop waving?
Because that would be a sad day.
http://tfmetalsreport.blogspot.com/2011/03/global-meltdown.html
this is why there are safety procedures. why are they ignored?
http://covert2.wordpress.com
Cool.... inversely related to their stock market. Trade the gieger counter.
Fianlly some glowing advice that is actually helpful. Thank you.
I'm thinking that there should be a futures market on the geiger counter readings, as well as options on the futures. In fact, since such instruments would have value, let's go to B of A or Wells or JPM and borrow money on them, and then we could cheapen the cost of the loan by having those banks insure them with AIG, etc. Come on, we already have a template with housing, and look at how well that's worked out...
...What? ...Oh! ... Well, uh, NEVERMIND!
At this very moment in central Missouri, my Radalert 50 is showing 15 counts per minute which is in the range of normal.
Greetings from Warrensburg, MO. We're 10 miles from the home of the Stealth bomber and I live in a neighborhood with people in the know about nuclear. The problems in Libya will affect us far more than those in Japan.
That's great to hear....perhaps your worldly neighbors can enlighten us on the probability of a mass exodus from Tokyo from a panicked population of 20+ million people, and the effect this would have on world markets when compared to Libya....
T.E.I.N. everyone!
"perhaps your worldly neighbors can enlighten us on the probability of a mass exodus from Tokyo from a panicked population of 20+ million people, and the effect this would have on world markets when compared to Libya"
Let's see, we get small cars from Korea now, electronics from China, and OIL from the middle east. The winds of revolution and unrest are blowing all over the region that supplies us with a good bit of our energy we depend on daily, while the winds of radioactive contamination are blowing out to sea in the region where we just get "stuff" from.
I think that I can see their point of view.
I guess the market doesn't agree with you....at least the very small part of the market that isn't manipulated....but what do they know...
T.E.I.N. everyone
"The winds of revolution and unrest are blowing..."
...and here I was worried about the winds blowing from Japan to CA....
Who, besides the Fed and China, owns more than $800 billion in treasuries?
How do you think they are going to raise cash when they close their markets?
Do you see how this will affect us now?
"Do you see how this will affect us now?"
Just what the doctor ordered! Debt dismissal! All someone has to do is state that the Treasuries owned by BOJ are highly contaminated, and now must be incinerated in the name of public safety.
Cool. We'll send the excavated soil there. Playground or backyard better for you?
Radiation is bad for people and internet is bad for gubmint
nuclear reactors by country
http://nakedempire.wordpress.com/
Map of (unclassified) working reactors in USA.
http://www.nrc.gov/info-finder/reactor/
Has anyone else found that that the radition
network map of US is now 404, but Japan's
are still up? Curious!
According to Harry Wanger, this is bullish. Also any news of radiation leaking out is fear mongering. Here is his source that all is well in Japan and the reactors are all shut down http://www.marketwatch.com/story/stocks-drop-as-ge-utilities-hit-by-nuclear-doubts-2011-03-14#comment5406390
HaMy. It's HaMy Wanger (Not Harry Wagner) that likes the radiation. Supposedly when folks are directed to shelter in place, they want amenities to make their home detention pleasant. HaMy sells home decor, a consumer discretionary spending category that has remained strong (in his area) and allowed him to expand. God bless his entrepreneurial spirit!
On the other hand, Harry Wagner imported Chinese-made Hopium and sold it in small strip mall storefronts with a poorly-trained minimum wage/part time sales force. Boo on him.
As you watch this and think of markets today, remember that mean reversion is as much a law of nature as gravity (or radioactivity!).
When toxic waste spews in the streets, buy, buy buy!
Ahhh yes, mean reversion....
That's one of those "laws of nature" where you pretend the US dollar is a constant, right?
Hahahahahahaahah
+ Tacit assumptions are a bitch.
tyler, thanks for this link.
Could you please post a link to the Marc Faber interview on CNBC this morning?
You rock my world.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=3000010534&play=1
can someone explain CPM.
Is 29.123 CPM low?
http://tinyurl.com/5rgeyqj
Double Post. Enjoy this instead - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySCRrMKru94
Cash Per Minute in trillions being printed by CBs to save their pensions.
CPM..clicks per minute..
http://www.geigercounters.com/AboutGgr.htm
You decide: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/live-tokyo-geiger-counter-video#comment-1054930
CPM = counts per minute.
My Medcom Radalert model 50 has a Geiger-Muller tube in it. When a high-energy particle passes through the tube, it is counted. These particles include cosmic rays, gamma rays, etc. The backgound radiation level at my location in central Missouri runs from 9-15 counts per minute. These are various particles, but the meter cannot tell which ones. I suspect they are mostly cosmic rays given the local soil conditions.
see: http://www.google.com/search?q=geiger+muller+tube&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t...
When this crisis subsides, ZH readers might be interested in acquiring one of these devices:
Medcom CRM-100 geiger counter:
http://www.medcom.com/crm.htm
Nukalert personal radiation meter, monitor and alarm:
http://www.nukalert.com/
Now, that's a cutie-pie!
10-20 is a normal background range.
However yesterday the same website was showing "12."
all of this is a little hysterical.
read up on radiation poisoning and the units therein
not all dosimeters are created equal.
Anyone know how to read that thing or a link explaining what those numbers mean?
I just read this:
The radiation monitored in Hitachiota city rose to 100 times as high as the normal level, said an official from the safety department. But the amount of the radiation, however, was only one tenth of that received in a routine chest X-ray.
http://en.trend.az/regions/world/ocountries/1845408.html
BUT, what they don't say is: in a routine chest X-ray you only stay exposed to the radiation during less than one minute. In those Japanese cities, you will be exposed to the radiation for hours, if not days, or weeks.
Try an exposure of 0.6 milliseconds, on average, times two (PA and lateral projections...). Not only that but a chest x-ray requires a "faster" x-ray beam, such that the amount absorbed is minimal to the patient.
The problem with the radiation, as you point out, is the continued exposure to the total body. A total-body dose is far more harmful than anything you'll get at your local medical clinic, including a C/T scan.
+1 give or take a few orders of magnitude
I am getting very tired of the radiation denialists now flooding ZH to try to save their paychecks. Oh well, information marches on...
All we are trying to do is to put this in perspective.
I don't get a paycheck from radiation any more, by the way...so, you know.
Here is the bottom line:
The overall amount of radiation is not extreme. It is higher than normal. The problem is a total-body dose of continuous, low-level radiation. If it goes on for extended periods, the mutations will manifest some time down the road, showing up as various cancers, particularly of the blood-borne type. Years from now, it will be a problem.
The easiest way to protect yourself from a radiation source is distance. Unfortunately in this case, there seems to be very few places to go. Your roof is the best protection when radiation is airborne and ubiquitous.
There is no reason to freak out here but, at the same time, one should be more concerned the longer this goes on.
One reading I got from the live geiger in Japan was 29.23 cpm in 1 hour 15 minutes. This makes the maths easier. For this equates to 23.384 cpm per hour. Extrapolating this reading out for 1 year, takes it to 204843.84 cpm per year. And then equating the cpm type reading to the mR type reading you divide the cpm by 1000, giving you 204.84384 mR per year.
According to this site: http://www.ehow.com/how_5329248_read-geiger-counter.html the maximum recommended dosage in the US per year for "non-workers" in the radiation industry is 200 mR per year.
You got your units wrong. CPM is clicks per MINUTE. Figuring clicks per minute per hour makes no sense.
Yes, you are right, my bad.
Divide by CPM (roughtly) 120 to get uSv (microsieverts.) THis is based on tube efficiency and a bunch of other things but it'll ballpark the number. So much less than what you're saying.
CPM means "counts per minute". The higher the CPM, the higher the radiation. Normal CPM depends on your location and counter's sensor, but it's usually in low teens.
This is why ZH is great.
It peaked at 31 around 5am est...
Only trouble is if things heat up in Tokyo (which does not appear likely) the person will bail the feed...
37 and steady now.
Re: Radalert - The -50 model is no longer made and has been replaced by the -100. CPM is Counts Per Minute. The readout also displays Sievert units which is a measure of the radiation effect on body tissue.
"The Radalert 100 is a general purpose geiger counter that measures alpha, beta, gamma, and x-radiation and include a three-second update and a utility menu that allows you to change the default settings for several operating parameters. Its digital liquid crystal display (LCD) shows the current radiation level in your choice of milliroentgens per hour from .001 to 110 or counts per minute (cpm) from 0 to 350,000. When SI units are selected, the LCD shows readings in microsieverts per hour from .01 to 1100 or counts per second (cps) from 0 to 3,500. This instrument also offers an accumulated total and timer function, up to 9,999,000 counts and 40 hours."
I believe the maximum allowable level for a radiation-exposure worker is 5 rads (5000 mRads)
So, 30 cpm is about twice the background (normal) radiation level, assuming 1 count = 1 millirad.
Be very afraid if and when cpm starts to rise suddenly and steadily.
I would personally be quit from Tokyo last night - with all family members and headed for the western shore and 90 degrees from the prevailing wind. Time to get the flock out of Dodge!
Thanks Crumbles
Good resolution sat photos; with 1 min. before and 3 min. after No.3 explosion.
http://web.stratfor.com/images/asia/art/DigitalGlobe_Japan_Earthquake_March_2011.pdf
Good stuff - thank you.
scale should read in Consumers Panicking per Minute
i'm gonna invent a meter that measures fear....see if it ticks faster than the national debt clock
No chance it ticks faster than the nat'l debt clock.
By the end of Obama's term, the nat'l debt clock tick speed will be approaching c (speed of light for those who don't know).
wont the debt become impossibly large as it approaches the speed of light therefore being unable to actually attain light speed?
Or creates its own black hole in the space/time continuum, making it re-appear on the other side of the Universe.
"making it re-appear on the other side of the Universe."
As a credit, vice debit? That would only lead to moral hazard - creating more black holes in order to eliminate debt! Debt is wealth.
Apparently, readings of 10-30cpm are considered 'normal' background radition. When flying in a jetliner at 35,000 ft the average exposure is around 350cpm.
Quick question: Is the reading a rolling average over the total time of the measurement or the real time value? Doesn't seem "choppy" enough to be the real time value.
NFLX up 4 points. All that matters damn it.
Oh shit, a big quake just hit east Shizuoka.
Felt the shaking pretty good in Nagoya too.
A 5.8 was just recorded.
http://quakes.globalincidentmap.com/
Thanks for the map.
So that is right to the east of Fukushima.
Not good.
Thats not the one I'm talking about.
The one that hit Shizouoka is 6.0.
Yes, its small compared to 9.0 but it is still huge.
Its there now.
This site does seem to run on a slight delay, because it is taking data from ASGS and then putting it up. I like it though, it also has a lot of different categories of "incident" to observe.
Yeah. Added it to favorites. Thanks
Shizuoka?
Where is that relative to the plant.
Fotunately, its far.
http://blog-imgs-41.fc2.com/t/o/m/tomotaroukun/20090811104929243.jpg
But this means further confusion to manufacturing companies because there are lots of essential manufacturing companies in that prefecture as well.
Thanks.
Are you in Japan?
Yes, I am a Japanese living near Nagoya.
We all hope that TEPCO can gain control of Fukushima.
I see that you are away from there but close to Shizuoka.
Hope you are safe.
Thanks, we're OK here in Nagoya.
It was only a quake that I would have ignored if it wasn't a time like this.
Good luck to you and everybody there. What info we do get is horrifying. God bless.
Shizuoka event not yet on the earthquake map.
http://quakes.globalincidentmap.com/
Seems like there is no risk of tsunami, and it is my guess that most manufacturing companies should be fine since most of them are on the western side of the prefecture. Although you can expect halted or limited production in many plants in the area tomorrow.
Also, no damage to nuclear power plants in this area.
Which is the usual outcome for quakes in Japan.
Updated: 12:04
The ongoing nuclear accident at the Japanese central Fukushima reached level 6 gravity on the international level that are 7, said today the president of the Nuclear Safety Authority (ASN), Andre-Claude Lacoste. Level 7 has been reached only once in the world, when the nuclear accident at the Ukrainian Chernobyl plant in 1986. The Japanese authorities have classified the accident in Fukushima 4 Saturday, following the massive earthquake and tsunami that hit the east coast of the archipelago.
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NEWS ADVISORY: Radiation too high for TEPCO personnel to stay in Fukushima nuke plant control rooms (20:49)
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(Reuters) - Airlines from Asia and Europe halted flights to Tokyo on Tuesday, diverting planes south as fears grow of nuclear contamination in the wake of Japan's devastating earthquake and tsunami.
U.S. Carriers Cancel Tokyo Flights, Waive Fees After Earthquake
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Containment has been breached in the MOX FUEL RODS POOL AR REACTOR 4, (800 rods)
news.yahoo.com
There needs to be active public discussion of entombment. The US and international community, as well as the media and blogosphere, should be raising entombment planning and logistics to the highest priority here.
Losing a significant portion of the Kanto Plain to contamination would result in a permanent degradation of Japan's usable land area. It is the largest plain in Japan, which is only as large as Montana or Germany.
There is no excuse for dodging this question: What are the plans for entombment and what support would be needed from abroad to implement?
I agree in every respect. However, the precedent of the current response (lost generators, lost fuel, no apparent backup resource staging, iyiyi etc.) suggest this in one more corporate accounting exercise with complicit govt regulatory irresponsibility. The response should correspond to an invasion. Action thus far shows nothing of that priority.
@Jim in MN
'Entombment' is not a good idea for a reactor in this situation and would more likely cause worse catastrophe.
Best is to keep cooling water flowing, with boric acid (borax) added if the system is not leaking. Boron balls which can be dropped in to the reactor chamber is another good idea if they are available.
Ustream down for "maintenance", odd time for it.
Unbelievably bad news ...... Horrific. Pray for all.
At the 40-year-old Fukushima Daiichi unit 1, where an explosion Saturday destroyed a building housing the reactor, the spent fuel pool, in accordance with General Electric’s design, is placed above the reactor. Tokyo Electric said it was trying to figure out how to maintain water levels in the pools, indicating that the normal safety systems there had failed, too. Failure to keep adequate water levels in a pool would lead to a catastrophic fire, said nuclear experts, some of whom think that unit 1’s pool may now be outside.
“That would be like Chernobyl on steroids,” said Arnie Gundersen, a nuclear engineer at Fairewinds Associates and a member of the public oversight panel for the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant, which is identical to the Fukushima Daiichi unit 1.
People familiar with the plant said there are seven spent fuel pools at Fukushima Daiichi, many of them densely packed.
Gundersen said the unit 1 pool could have as much as 20 years of spent fuel rods, which are still radioactive."
We’d be lucky if we only had to worry about the spent fuel rods from a single holding pool. We’re not that lucky. The Fukushima Daiichi plant has seven pools for spent fuel rods. Six of these are (or were) located at the top of six reactor buildings. One “common pool” is at ground level in a separate building. Each “reactor top” pool holds 3450 fuel rod assemblies. The common pool holds 6291 fuel rod assemblies. [The common pool has windows on one wall which were almost certainly destroyed by the tsunami.] Each assembly holds sixty-three fuel rods. This means the Fukushima Daiichi plant may contain over 600,000 spent fuel rods.
http://my.firedoglake.com/kirkmurphy/2011/03/14/nuke-engineer-fuel-rod-f...
I thought they had just started MOX at Unit 3 a few months ago. We need more information about the fuel storage but unless they have stockpiled MOX rods for future use it doesn't make sense that there would be many there.
Not that the old rods are friendly in a catastrophe. Just trying to sift through the information.
Of course there could be a MOX rod stockpile because of the pressure to get the MOX into the system as it represents a 'patch' or band-aid for the glaring failure of France and Japan to solve their nuclear waste problems. So maybe there are 800 brand new MOX rods just lying around.
I thought the same but even if no mox involved you would still be looking at a massive amount of older rods ....
I wonder if this is how things work in the USA in regards to storing older rods.... ? Not smart.
"I wonder if this is how things work in the USA in regards to storing older rods.... ? Not smart."
Well, there was this site called Yucca Mountain, where much of the used fuel would be stored safely in controlled-atmosphere caves very, very far underground. Harry Reid thought it would be bad for Nevada, so he had the program axed. So, used fuel is still stored on site, either in a vulnerable fuel pool or in dry storage casks right there in the open.
Harry Reid can lick my balls. Maybe someone can override his stupidity .....
As a Nevada resident, I agree about Harry. He can lick my dog's ass.
Yucca Mtn is also in an earthquake prone area and too close for comfort to the San Andreas in CA. I don't want that crap too close to me.
The reality is that entombment under Yucca mountain is a terrible idea. Not because it is going to leak out and kill a bunch of people, but because that fuel is still useful.
They should be using breeder reactors to extract every last joule from that stuff, leaving behind short lived radioactive waste that can be stored on site (where the half life is 5 years or so), rather than material that must be stored forever.
If we went ahead with burying all that "waste" under Yucca mountain, future generations would actually dig it up for fuel!
It seems, tmosley, that you and I agree on things about 50% of the time. This is one of them.
Yes, letting it sit the way it's now doing is a stupid idea. People don't want it shipped via rail near where they live, which I guess I understand, and I really really understand not wanting to bury it nearby. Those not understanding the possible problems should read a little about the Kyshtym disaster.
On the other hand...the fast breeder designs being worked on now seem, um, scary. If you think steam releases and little tiny hydrogen explosions are worrisome, just imagine ultra-high-temperature gas-cooled reactors (see also the Windscale Fire), or reactors cooled by molten lead (which, oh yeah, becomes viciously radioactive when bombarded), or sodium (which burns spontaneously on contact with air and explodes on contact with water)....
sorry dupe
There is no good solution to the waste problem. Even if there was a repository it would take thousands of trains full of waste to move it. The whole country will become a high-security, police state, big government operation to protect the trains.
Nuclear power is, fundamentally, socialist technology. Why do you think the leading countries are France and Japan?
Those are simply facts. Please be realistic. We need nuclear power but it just makes it more dangerous to spout crap about how easy it is to manage. And for Christs sake don't offer libertarian platitudes while espousing a police state technology. That is offensive in several respects.
No matter how much it cost, they must come up with a safe storage solution, having them stored in the same building as the reactor is not a smart idea.
Launch it into the sun. That's the only way.
Recall the '70s sci-fi series, "Space:1999" -- it was a Moon-based nuclear fuel storage area which went up, and "blasted" the Moon out of orbit.
Always wondered what happened to the tide cycles on Earth. They never seemed to address that. Too preoccupied with alien visitors to their Moonbase Alpha, it would seem.
launch the shit to the moon like in" space 1999 " tv show
send it up on the shuttles we arent using any more , and leave it there
that way when we have to flee the planet because we have rendered it uninhabitable, the moon will be pre-poisoned and ready for occupation
or:
store it guantonamo bay....hands off approach to torturing suspected terrorists
This is the bottom line. Take a look at the risks the Japanese take compared to the USA. What level of security would the USA have under similar circumstances?
"don't offer libertarian platitudes while espousing a police state technology."
You tied a can to the libertarian's tail there.
There is no such thing as a "socialist technology".
And there IS a wonderful and simple solution to "waste". REUSE IT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeder_reactor
Socialism is what creates waste. In a truly free market, energy would be cheap and abundant, because there would simply be no waste.
LOL thanks for the laugh
As for breeders, take a look at the fuel rods in Unit 3 a Fukushima Daiichi. There's your answer. It ups the risk several-fold. Wonderful? Eh.
Breeder reactors, yeah, that's the answer. [/sarcasm]
The world needs more plutonium. [/sarcasm]
and Chiba?
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/geiger-counter-chiba
E. Burnett on the Ministry of Truth [CNBC] picking up the Japanese state false messages of "everything is cool" touting lower levels of radiation at the wasted nuke site.
Good. So much the better to make the point about just what a ridiculous state inspired propaganda machine the Ministry of Truth [CNBC] has become. Let there be blood on their hands, also, just prior to E. Burnett's exit to become a member of the Food Network.
B-Cup's chests can't compete with Giada, so Erin won't be on the Food Network. Erin can be the main starlet on Recipe.TV.
Her next stop is financial infomercials.
-- Or selling a Roomba on Home Shopping Club.
She doesn't need to work at all. I sincerely doubt she would stoop so low as to sell Roombas just for face time.
Very soon, Erin will announce that she and Cramer have been carrying out a torrid love affair for the last eighteen months and that she will be leaving CNBC because she is pregnant with his child.
Cramer too will retire and the two of them will move to Iowa to pursue part time passions. She will host sex toy parties for the elite, Jim has purchased a small chain of Insta-Lube stations located in the Midwest. The next time you see him, he will be trying to sell you an overpriced PCV valve for your car.
She'll need a divorce from Mark Burnett, so she may end up having more money than Cramer!
In the course of operating his oil change "dynasty", Cramer will develop and patent a technique for reconditioning used oil. He will sell it for nearly two and a half billion dollars, but will foolishly invest it in his latest scheme to recycle toilet paper, losing everything and dragging the wealth of thousands of gullible investors down with him.
Embarrassed, Erin will throw him out of the house, having already fallen for Charlie Sheen, and signing a contract to act as a surrogate for Charlie and the porn star. Cramer will die penniless and insane inside a cardboard box behind the Chuck-E-Cheese in Council Bluffs Iowa.
The lying media, the lying government, and the lying Wall Street thugs can try to spin this to the good, but the fact is this is really bad. Those reactors have been building pressure for days and they can't stop the reaction. I'm not a nuclear scientist by any means, and when you hear them speak they don't even know. Even the experts keep saying may or could, we don't know, not sure, etc... This should be warning number one to everyone. They built this shit, and don't even know how to control or dispose of it properly.
If you ask me, the worse is yet to come from these reactors, and the governments are simply trying not to panic people by lying to them, which is wrong. When the real SHTF in the coming day or two with these reactors, it is going to get very very ugly and very quickly.
Some upcoming events possibly affecting further Pacific plate subduction, which the media also will never discuss, are the full moon and the closest-in-18-years perigee next Sat. 3-19, the accompanying equinoctial high tides, and the effect of recent and ongoing solar CMEs and X-flares (for those believers in the Electric Universe).
The Pacific plate is what, 4500 miles long (?) and can move another miniscule 8 to 10 feet anytime conditions are right, or maybe 18 to 20 feet next time.
Geologist Jim Berkland's warning before the 1989 world-serious Loma Prieta quake got him temporarily suspended from his USGS job and he remained silenced, as are today's network broadcasters.
An approximation for an EQ event 'window' for this Saturday's full moon/perigee would be from 4 days before to 7 days after: IE, from today thru 3-26, but if you're watching TV and not looking for it, you won't see it coming.
Holy ????????!
Did anybody learn how to read this before declaring doom to all?
Normal cpm for nuke sites is around 20. Currently reads 28.
100cpm = 1mSv
So the reading is .28mSv.
A chest XRay, per film, is .1mSv.
There won't be an uncontained nuclear meltdown, and it's certainly not happening right now.
Why not present some useful info on how to read the Geiger? Comparisons as well.
Has BTFD in PMs turned this place into a beacon of fear mongering? I hope not.
The counter is 200 kms south of the reactor site.
Thanks. It's still a slightly elevated level. Ask someone who works in a hospital.
It's also indoors.
Windows don't open.
Not really. Normal CPM readings from atmospheric radiation range anywhere from 5 to 60 depending on elevation, background, equipment etc. There are currently monitors all over the US reading higher than this.
http://www.geigercounters.com/radiationnetwork.htm
All banned from GLP have come here bringing the doom-love with them.
my bad Argent, smelled like DU around here
GLP, that makes sense
nasty little fearmongers
Well, looks like balls come doon yah?
Let's see.
**Whips out Cold War Era books... 4 weeks underground with at least 4 feet of earth on all sides, food, water, method of changing atmosphere, eliminating body waste, establish routine daily schedule starting with sick call at 0630 and ending with trash patrol and probe scan.
Waitaminute. This stuff is only good for a Nuclear war and 4 weeks. What happens when Japan flees and the rest of the plants go? Hmm? That thing could count upwards for months. How high of a number can they count to when they designed the things.
Star shine, ground shine, dust, **Tosses books away.
Well that's all Folks.
This is one microwave oven that cannot be turned off now eh? Mighty are the works of man and stronger still is the whoops factor when they forget to account for waves at the plant in a Nation that was saved by Waves in the past.
I feel really sad for Japan.
Even more so I feel really terrible for us for we live in blissful peace without concern for the essentials and all the blessings we have had. We should mobilize and help.
If our Money machine was running 24/7, imagine the frenzy hysteria as it attempts to hold the world on it's shoulders while the pressure drops at the knees today.
Sputnik was the sound of technology that introduced the World to a new Era.
And that ticking of the counter will be the way we are introduced to the end of a Era.
How appropriate.
Here where I am UPS is falling out bed cursing the number of orders that must fit into the tiny brown trucks. They should be singing the logistic song for morale as they stumble up my land burdened by the crap that we bought online the moment the plant popped the hydrogen beginning with the box that contains a Dosimeter.
We endured TMI as children as Atlas waited three days to see what would happen for 10,000 years.
Now it seems we need to order up one of those fancy model 100's so it can count everything for us.
The Ministry of Truth [CNBC] is now reporting that they are going ahead and getting rosy colored news about the busted nuke plants in Japan from...wait for it...US lobbying group for the nuclear power industry. That's right...they are digging really, really hard now so that they can sound the all clear and get folk back to buying stupid casual dining stocks, and shares of Apple, nuclear winds be damned.
Credibility throwing itself on swords everywhere...so that normal people can clearly see what a bunch of asshats are currently running this world wide fucking nightmare...this as another Fast Money asshat calls all of it a "buying opportunity."
Sweet! Let's go for a complete DOA of all publicly broadcast fake credibility...by the end of the fucking session! Com'mon Ben Bernanke...don't let me down with your complete obtuse lying sack of shit statement!
Used to be the rad safety officer in my lab. 30 CPM is not worrisome. You will be exposed to more than that on a plane flight. A baseline reading of normal Tokyo background radiation would be nice to see, particularly for the machine being monitored since machines will vary. 30 CPM is within normal range for some soil types, especially igneous soils such as found in Japan. Radiation kills in two ways, immediate radiation poisoning and long term increase in the cancer rate. No one will get radiation poisoning at 30 CPM and the increase in cancer would be hard to distinguish by anyone but a tort lawyer. The news from the reactor site is much more worrisome. If the spent rods burn there could be a lot of unusable real estate coming on the market.
It was 11 Cpm yesterday when it first went online - the climb to 30 has been slow but it has been steadily climbing . As a side note , it looks like at some point the geiger counter must have been shut off because yesterday it was on for 15 hours (I went to bed at that point ) .
Can you believe they're not permitting me to pay for iodine with gold bullion?
you are on the wrong site
one site is taking gold and silver in payment and granting a 10% discount over cash
Why, you simply haven't found any sellers. You're going to have to raise your bid until you start to attract some attention. If that doesn't work, hire Charley Sheen. I bet he'll work for bullion. I'm sure he can find someone that will trade with you at the right price.
Free trade!
Duh,
Winning.
Potassium idodide is useless symbolism for the general population. Just don't drink the milk from a contaminated area.
So sayeth the head of radiological safety at Columbia University. Since the transmittal for a concentrated dose of radioactive iodine is via livestock eating it and concentrating it in milk...just don't drink it. Done.
There--saved some money just by reading ZH.
Yah, they hype milk since TMI.
Got Milk?
Hmm..
http://www.realcaliforniamilk.com/
Not really.
A large part of my practice is nutritional counseling and I can tell you that you don't need potassium iodide. It is very hard to find right now anyway. The point of the iodine is to flood your system so that your thyroid is saturated thus not allowing uptake of any radioactive iodine isotopes. I have used a product from standard process call prolamine iodine for years on everything from menopause to thyroid issues. Each tablet has 2000% RDA of a protien bound iodine. You need a med license to buy from them but you can call them to find a local medical/chiropractic/nutritionist who resells. Hope this helps.
I used to use Standard Process myself in practice. It is mostly porcine or bovine-derived and the treatments are more of a "complementary" variety than of any direct "medicinal" benefit to the patient. In other words, if you have a thyroid problem, take bovine thyroid; liver problems, take porcine liver pills.
The idea, as you describe it, is correct, in that the hope is to flood the thyroid with iodine to stop naturally-occurring environmental absorption of radioactive iodine. The only time you need this is when there is nuclear fallout, in the form of I-131.
Today is not the case of nuclear fallout. It is an increase in background radiation and not radio-isotopes of anything being released into the atmosphere.
Wow, attack of the out of control quote button.
Wow, attack of the out of control quote button.
Here is something that most in western medicine dismiss and those in eastern medicine and natural medicine overlook. Please have a look, as it may save many of your pts. years of problems.
http://parathyroid.com/about-Parathyroid.htm
Best of luck to you in your practice!
please help japan by donating. some ways you can help:
http://www.hedgefundlive.com/blog/donate-to-japan-relief
Did you pull down your short positions because of this ? If not, the boss should have tons of cash to send that way and the clients he's working for ..... Just say'n .... He was short " ton's of S&P contracts "going into this. Update on how todays going, are you up $300,000 or $400,000 because of this mess ....
I will do my part but plenty of big dogs are shitting out fiat .... Unlike most.
kudlows happy that the death toll is worse than financial toll UFB!!
US TV host: 'Grateful' earthquake death toll is worse than economic toll Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1366017/Japan-earthquake-tsunami-CNBCs-Larry-Kudlow-grateful-human-death-toll-worse-economic-toll.html#ixzz1GgJpIlkG