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Televizing The (Second) Greek Revolution - Three Live Streams From Syntagma Square

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Greece's D-Day has arrived: June 15 may soon be the 2011 equivalent of May 6, 2010 when the reaction to the realization that Greece was insolvent hit the population, together with a peak in hostilities, not to mention the US market flash crashing. In addition to a general strike, thousands are already packing the central Syntagma square in Athens, where MPa have started congregating to commence deliberations on the Troica's mid-term fiscal proposal. Already there has been tear gas fired at protesters who are gradually shifting away from their peaceful posture and slowly becoming unruly. Below is a live feed of the square as well as a link to an English live blog following up to the minute events.

Live stream 1:

LIVE STREAMING: Η Αγαν?κτηση των Ελλ?νων by News247

Live stream 2:


And a catch-it-all multistream:


Watch live streaming video from stopcarteltvgr at


And the latest developments courtesy of

11:30 am Thousands gather at the rally of public and private sector labour unions GESEE & ADEDY at Pedio toy Areos Park.

Athens Metro Station ‘Evaggelismos’ is closed. The metro passes through but passengers can not get on or out.

11:40 Greek media decided to cancel their strike after 12:00 at noon time – Greeks want information on such important day, right!?

PM Papandreou will hold an extraordinary meeting with President
Papoulias at 1 pm. He will reportedly call another meeting with
political leaders to seek consensus for the Mid-Term Package.

11:55 Thousands Boos were heard when the Prime Minister’s convoy headed to PM’s manor.

Protesters hurled eggs, bitter oranges and bottles with water over the riot-police ‘wall’ to the President’s convoy

The rally organized by Greek Communist Party labour union PAME is heading to the Parliament. Estimated more than 15,000 people.

12:30 Tension as protesters tried to push down the ‘iron blockade’. They hurl water bottles over the blockade to riot policemen.

For 21 days the protests were peaceful. However the ‘iron &
plexiglass wall’ seems to have the same effect as a piece of a red cloth
has on a bull.

video earlier

12:35 Tear gas against protesters attacking the iron blockade – protesters very very angry
Σ?νταγμα 15062011 by cosmogr

12:38 Athens Stock Exchange down -3.65% – It cannot stand the rapid
political developments, the emerging parliamentary stalemate, the
scenarios about early elections and the unprecedented protests in the
city center.

12:40 Live Streaming and Live Blogging in Greek news247

12:48 Riot police has orders to ‘answer’ protesters’ attacks (skai
tv). Tension is still high around the ‘iron blockade’, protesters hurl
stones and water bottles.

see more pictures in

12:57 There are reports of fired tear gas against protesters at
Rigilis Sq – 500 me from Parliament – there are reports of clashes among
protesters’ groups

video – earlier: protesters attack the iron blockade

13:10 Big tension at Rigilis Sq – Tear gas – Protesters tried to
break through riot police – Police and protesters chase each other

PM Papandreou meeting with the President ” National effort is needed,
we are in crucial historical moment. National consensus is needed. I am
in contact with political leaders on this. We will continue with
responsibility to bring the country out from the crisis”.

Scenarios speak of the establishment of a broader governement , after Friday, with the participation of all political parties.

13:16 small scale riots hooded, indignants, far-leftists and
far-rights, riot police, tear gas right in front of the Parliament.
Efforts to push away the hooded – provocation to spoil the peaceful

13:46 Still tension – Indignant Greeks chase hooded Greeks hurling
molotof cocktails. Sticky air due to exessive use of tear gas in front
of the Parliament.

More here


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Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:03 | 1370741 He_Who Carried ...
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Thousands? It looks moore like several hundred. Not much for a country on the brink.

I suggest the rest of the population is on its way to Switzerland to save their blaggged and stolen proceeds. They should drive to Brussels instead and give it all back to where it belongs!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:02 | 1371272 Ahmeexnal
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DEXIA troll, eh?

However, I do agree with you on something. They should all drive down to Bruxelles and burn down the europarliament!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 13:01 | 1371520 GoinFawr
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D'Ass.Man. "launches its social media profile"

"Dexia Asset Management has decided to create a coordinated presence on the most popular on-line social networks. Creating credibility in an ever-more-influential medium is a useful way of conveying the analyses and opinions of our team of experts"

Hunh. Well D'Ass.Man. thus far the only credibility you've bolstered with your presence so far is Ahmeexnal's, IMHO.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 14:07 | 1371905 wanklord
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Americans are a bunch of stupid animals easy to manipulate and subdue. If these savages try to revolt due to the ongoing economic upheaval, government has already prepared contingency plans destined to cope with this scenario. Educate yourselves about the NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51:


(1) This directive establishes a comprehensive national policy on the continuity of Federal Government structures and operations and a single National Continuity Coordinator responsible for coordinating the development and implementation of Federal continuity policies. This policy establishes "National Essential Functions," prescribes continuity requirements for all executive departments and agencies, and provides guidance for State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector organizations in order to ensure a comprehensive and integrated national continuity program that will enhance the credibility of our national security posture and enable a more rapid and effective response to and recovery from a national emergency...

...(b) "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions;..."


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 14:42 | 1372074 TheTmfreak
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The entire crowd is green lasering the buildings. Its hilarious to watch. Good idea as well.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 16:52 | 1372576 downwiththebanks
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That's silly.  All the words in the world can't subdue a people awakened.  

And when that happens - it has already begun - expect many who frequent this site - those who serve the Banker-Gangsters, especially - to attack and vilify them.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 13:20 | 1371679 He_Who Carried ...
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They should take you along. Before the EU-parliament you can explain to all constituents how to steal from the people, set up some random and useless committee for the preservation of some non-existing lake and collect some fine proceeds and early retirement for all your hard work. And yes, do not pay your taxes. That is the greek way.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 15:12 | 1372119 Leopold B. Scotch
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"And yes, do not pay your taxes. That is the greek way."

At least they have enough sense to see through the ruse, that there's actually a value in paying them.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 15:36 | 1372317 He_Who Carried ...
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You should either move to Wyoming or lay siege on the White House.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 16:57 | 1372598 downwiththebanks
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I suppose if anyone is in a position to identify theft, it's the EU Parliament.

Now get back to work:  Jean-Claude Trichet needs a shoe shine!


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 14:55 | 1372121 Tom_333
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From an European perspective...this is not unusual fro Greece.Neither is defaulting.The other country that comes to mind is Argentina.As long as it´s teargas and fists and billyclubs -it´s quite normal and to be expected.

You should look for live fire and KIA´s and/or potential military takeover before becoming overly concerned.

After all the Greek way of love is equal to Mexican cornholing...

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:13 | 1370786 DK Delta
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Here are some videos that i just took from the square. Some have actual tear gas rounds going off in front of parliament. The scene became pretty hectic. 


Feel free to post these separately (including the pictures I have uploaded as well) on your site.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:26 | 1371361 camaro68ss
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This seems Bullish to me

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 13:30 | 1371712 DoChenRollingBearing
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Definitely Bullish

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 15:02 | 1372137 Dejean Splicer
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Bullish reality tee-vee. Soak it in bitchez! Send your applications to starz [ at ] zerohedge [ dot ] org

~D'jean Splicer

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 11:14 | 1371073 RaymondKHessel
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Great place to start filming remake of THE RUNNING MAN 2 - GREECE ROCKS!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 11:26 | 1371125 chumbawamba
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10 LET GDP=310,000,000,000









100 IF DEBT > 0 THEN GOTO 50

110 END: REM 2012-12-21




Wed, 06/15/2011 - 13:15 | 1371650 Strider52
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I haven't seen elementary BASIC in 1,000 years. Program would work, I guess.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 13:40 | 1371774 HungrySeagull
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ABC then Numbers then basic.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 14:20 | 1371988 chumbawamba
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Actually, it wouldn't, unless your interpreter could parse the commas in line 10.  I'm sure there was at least one weird one out there that would.

Nice to see there's at least one other old school nerd around here ;)

I am Chumbawamba.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:09 | 1370313 Mae Kadoodie
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Hurling bitter oranges?  Oosh!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:24 | 1370326 pesamystik
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I've been watching the live stream. The anarchists and right-wing dudes have been having street brawls. There seems to be more fighting between Greeks than any real anger directed at the police or politicians. It's funny how easy it is to divide the "people."

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:16 | 1370427 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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are you sure its not plain clothes pigs? There's bound to be some of those...

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:44 | 1370504 pesamystik
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Holy shit, there is complete rioting right now. I guess I just caught the protest before things really heated up. Go Greece!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:11 | 1371305 adeptish
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Drachmas bitchez...

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:13 | 1370314 Hedge Jobs
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the world is with you good people of greece. tell those greedy fuckers where to go!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:23 | 1370329 Apostle of Unknown
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sorry greek people have had decades to clean up their pig sty, they were too busy borrowing, buying, consuming and not asking questions

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:28 | 1370339 Quintus
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Yeah, just like everyone else - unless you feel that people in, let's say the US, have not spent the last couple of decades over-borrowing, over-buying and over-consuming?  At least the Greeks are now following Iceland's lead and refusing to accept the raping that the banks bought and paid-for politicians are trying to give them.  When the bankers come for you, what will you do?


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:06 | 1370404 UGrev
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+1 brother.. can't wait for America to wake the eff up..'s getting real old people.. we can start any time now, mmkay?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 09:17 | 1370590 hedgeless_horseman
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Watch and remember, Ireland!!!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 09:35 | 1370648 j0nx
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Sorry dude, Jersey Shore is on and I am too busy seeing what Snookis is going to do. Start without me and my 300M friends please.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:35 | 1370888 AbandonShip
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Gym, Tan, Laundry!


"I want my Mtv!"

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:05 | 1371019 baby_BLYTHE
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Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:15 | 1372640 CH1
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But... my friends aren't doing it yet!

Beside, I have a 6-pack in the fridge and there must be something on TV.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:02 | 1370752 He_Who Carried ...
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Like the greek you form a commitee for the protection of a non-existing lake and collect the money from the state. If you rob the state with dishonesty like them, you will pay one day.

That's all.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 14:28 | 1372016 Oracle of Kypseli
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That Greek had a government connection who shared the proceeds

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 15:38 | 1372311 trentusa
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 McLendon Broadcasting & the famed pirate ship Radio Caroline / Radio Atlanta is preparing to resume transmissions again after 30 years- since the sale of KLIF. McLendon Broadcasting is preparing to sail again & accept local pirate advertising dollars in the same manner as the genius Gordon McLendon & christian slater did off the coast of Spain in the 1960s, and sell my last name lock, stock, & barrel. Lets get this party6 started

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:43 | 1370358 Hedge Jobs
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Its government debt not personal debt. The general population had no idea what the corrupt polticians and bankers were up to. the people of greece never sanctioned the creation of this debt so whay should they, and the generations of greeks that come after them who arent even born yet have to pay for it? At least we know where you stand on the issue.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:14 | 1370410 Apostle of Unknown
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They're all a bunch of fucking hypocrites, just like you. People always get the leaders they deserve. For decades Greek and other European working classes were grateful for all the entitlement programs, social safety nets, special status for unions, crony jobs and special arrangements that kept the "neoliberal agenda" out of Greece (and the rest of socialist Europe). They wanted politicians who could "get things done for the little man". Nobody ever asked how it worked. Any European politician who tried to point it out, anyone who dared to argue for sound money, austerity and reform at a time when it might have worked, was widely derided as a lunatic, a neoliberal fanatic, an anti-social element "who wanted to go back to the 19th century" etcetera. In fact, Europeans STILL haven't learned the lesson about what kind of politician is to be distrusted. They don't WANT to learn. Unlike in the US, the opposition in Europe today consists largely of commie and fascist fucks who will go well beyond PASOK in their misgovernment. And unlike in the US, the ones who are really going to get screwed, the middle class, are not the ones you see in the street. So go play your violin elsewhere.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:16 | 1370441 taraxias
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You are the finest example of someone whose perceptions have been totally shaped by corporate propaganda and big media. What's really disturbing though is that you seem ABSOLUTELY CONVINCED that you know the truth. You are a clueless moron but I wont be the one wasting any energy to open your eyes. That has to come from within.....

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:33 | 1370459 Apostle of Unknown
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I've heard the same shit all my life. Everybody tried to get everything from the government and everybody avoided paying taxes. In personal debates, you'd hear about "how everybody else is doing it too". If you didn't get what you want, you'd go to your uncle who was a friend with the brother of the local political alligator. Now the stench is all in the open and "the people" feel that they have been screwed by corrupt politicians. That's just pathetic and that's why they'll keep digging their own grave by voting for worse and worse politicians. It's too bad for the few who tried to make and save some money the honest way. But once again, those are not the ones you see protesting in Greece.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 09:31 | 1370624 HowardBeale
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 It's too bad for the few who tried to make and save some money the honest way.


You mean like 95% of the population? Yeah, too bad for them. But they're just necessary collateral damage...

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:34 | 1370676 Apostle of Unknown
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That's why Greece is first and worst. In that country, more than in any other, the "good" guys are much less than 95%. Again, there is scarcely a country in the European Union where the little guy was so eager to play the game in his own small way: I think the informal economy and abuse of government benefits were even more widespread than in Italy or in Belgium. Still if they had confronted the unions and privileged groups (government workers, teachers & selected professional groups, professionally unemployed, in short the kind of people who are out striking and protesting austerity today) and cleaned up their own act say a decade ago, the protest would have been equally violent but EU-style austerity might have actually had a chance of working. If you can't understand this aspect of the story (and like I said, my fear is that many Greeks don't want to get it), you can never fully appreciate the situation Greece is in. For one, I think this sets Greece apart from a less socialist, pseudo-market country like Ireland or Iceland, where the benefits from the boom years really did flow disproportionately to the financial sector, but where the population is coolheaded, less corrupt itself and more likely to really do the right thing. Part of which sadly IS to "suck it up and cope", if I may paraphrase our dear old friend Charlie Munger.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 14:43 | 1372078 Oracle of Kypseli
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Yes! many Greeks were living high on the hog working for the government, but the rest in the private sector were struggling. Don't paint everyone with the same brush.

Yes! Greeks don't pay their taxes as a protest because it goes to the non-productive gov. sector. Americans don't like taxes and the 16th amendment was voted on during Christmas by traitor politicians.

Greeks have brought democracy to the world and now are showing the world how to dismantle an oppressive corrupt government.

Austerity! Try to take away the iphone from your teen daughter and that's what you gonna get. Revolt. You are the one that create the monster. She will hate you for the rest of her life.

Americans and others should learn from this. I am sure that most zerohedgers do understand what's coming to the US.

Be pationate for the right causes. keep politicians, bankers and all in check. If not, revolt.

Note to the Greeks: Default, default, default join Iceland. Fastest growing economy in the planet by just fishing.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 15:57 | 1372378 Mr Pinnion
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Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:19 | 1372655 CH1
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You guys are trashing AoU, but a lot of the things he's saying are true and relevent.

Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:18 | 1375227 GoinFawr
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Only if you ignore the facts. Like someone selling you sacks of shit by paying the ratings agencies to stamp "AAA rated fo' sho'!" on the bag and then bribing your gov't officials to ignore the smell.

That's fraud. And the victims of it aren't the culpable parties, no matter how stupid you think they are. Everyone's vision is clearer looking back on a decision.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 09:28 | 1370625 imapopulistnow
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One can clearly see the debate in the USA sometime in the near future when we face our own debt crisis.  Some will blame the greedy banks and politicians who did this behind our backs.  Bullcrap.  We all know full and well that we are headed towards a path of ruin but we like the benefits without paying their cost.  Was the Greek on the street aware of it?  Don't know.  But we certainly are.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 11:20 | 1371086 SilverDosed
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Where the fuck are these benefits that we're all getting? Low gas prices because we get the shit taxed out of us for defense spending? The pride of knowing we're paying for a corporate war machine thats main goal is to perpetuate itself by perpetuating war? All I know is I havent gotten shit but higher taxes, giant oil spilled on my land with no real attempt at cleaning it up, and of course the guilt that goes along with financing the biggest machine of war and genocide in the history of man.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 11:45 | 1371201 LaLiLuLeLo
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mark my words. there will be cuts before this is over. expect at least a 33% downgrade on all public pensions in the US

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 09:50 | 1370701 j0nx
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I agree. I used to feel major anger towards the banks and politicians but now mostly feel it towards my fellow Americans for allowing the banks to steal with abandon and for constantly reelecting the same cretins to local, state and federal office, e.g. Harry Reid - Thanks Nevadans...You can't blame a wolf for eating your sheep because after all, that's what they do. You blame yourself for not getting rid of the wolf so it can't eat your sheep to begin with.

Let's not even talk about the fact that Americans don't give two shits about anything except for Final 4, football, Lady GaGa or retarded social issues such as gay marriage or abortion. A banker can literally steal the treasury blind and that seems to be acceptable to most Americans but tell us that we can't marry our gay lover or terminate an unwanted pregnancy and absolutely NOTHING will motivate us faster than that to get off the couch and march on our state capital. Americans are ridiculous and I am included in that generalization myself. We ALL deserve what's coming to us.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:12 | 1370785 Neoisolationist
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Nevada resident here. I voted for Tarkanian in the primary. I think most wanted Reid gone and would have gone the route of choosing a Sandoval ( fiscally conservative-governor) type figure for the Senate. Unfortunately, Angle didn't present herself very well, and that put some independents in the Reid camp. that and the unions went all-out in driving people union members in droves to the polls. I voted for Angle anyhow, and sandoval, and the conservative representative in the US House (who won).

Political situation in this state does stink, but on the ground it seems like it's starting to shift toard limited govt and fiscal conservative. more the latter, which leads to the former.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 13:06 | 1371596 dugorama
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Really?  You're smart enough to follow ZH and yet you voted for Angle?  Tell us why, please.  From here (your next door neighbor), it seems like she's a complete moron with an IQ somewhere 2 standard deviations to the left of the mean.  Is this wrong?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 14:50 | 1372095 Oracle of Kypseli
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Arguing about two politicians is pointless.

The big picture is that all of them have allowed the banksters to rape your country. No exeptions. Find ways to srike back.

BTW: in Greece and in Spain the protestors are from all political parties, there are no banners of any color. 

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:32 | 1370893 Shredd the FED
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Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:21 | 1370442 Quintus
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"In fact, Europeans STILL haven't learned the lesson about what kind of politician is to be distrusted."

Whereas in the US, the electorate make careful, finely balanced, evaluations of the merits and demerits of each candidate and elect only the finest and most competent representatives with the most well-thought out and viable policies?  Or do they just vote for the candidate who promises the most 'Hope and Change' and the largest handouts to each voting constituency?

You are fucking delusional mate.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:40 | 1370478 Apostle of Unknown
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If the bomb ever blows up in Europe, the politicians that will benefit most, will likely consist of an increasingly "colorful" series of communist or nationalist moonbats. The kind of populists who blame it all on the banks and especially on the previous populists. People here don't want free market reforms, they want a Fuhrer who can make Big Government work and they will give him all the powers he requests. If the bomb explodes in the US, at least there is a Tea Party, a libertarian party and a guy like Ron Paul. I can see a future where the US population simply REJECTS the idea of Big Government, instead of trying to make it work. The US will go back to its basics of limited government. The day I see top-level politicians like that in Europe, I'll change my tune.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:47 | 1370514 Quintus
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Listen - the "Europe=Socialist, US = Capitalist" dichotomy is as false and manufactured as the Dems vs Repubs distinction.  Sure, there may be some differences, but you'd have trouble sliding a cigarette paper into the gap between both sides.  

Contrary to what proponents of this paradigm would have you believe, Europe is not a hotbed of rampant socialism any more that the US with it's millions supported directly or indirectly by Government spending is a capitalist paradise.

You will not find a more committed small Government libertarian than myself, but I see no politician or party in the US with a snowball's chance in hell of rolling back the state.  Unless you call $38 billion of 'Cuts' in a $3 trillion budget a meaningful cut.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 09:24 | 1370585 Apostle of Unknown
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Well of course nothing is black and white but it's certainly not a manufactured difference. Even today the public debate in the US is already infused with the right kind of ideas. Of course they won't be put into practice until some real disaster strikes, but as a libertarian you'll have a fighting chance in the US that just doesn't seem to exist in Europe. A Tea Party in Europe, regardless of whether they can avoid disaster or just clean up the debris afterwards, seems completely impossible here. When it comes to "outsider" politics, there's mainly various breeds and blends of communism and nationalism -- at least in Southern Europe, which is what we were talking about here.

Northern opposition parties like True Finns, Geert Wilders or Vlaams Belang are "outsider" enough and eurosceptic without being "crazy" or coming straight from the gutter. But even they are often ambiguous on fundamental economic alignment. They don't walk the walk, but they don't even talk the talk either. If you're like me (a European libertarian), there's really no match. European liberal parties (which used to be more like American libertarianism until a few decades ago) are all but dead and like I said, most serious right wing parties are fairly ambiguous on their support for true free market politics.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:06 | 1370725 G-R-U-N-T
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"You are fucking delusional mate."

Hey Quintus....What have the Greeks produced the last 150 years where their profits exceeds their expenditures?

Their dependent generational mindsets are under the delusion caused by the sick notion that mothers tits (statist government) will not run out of milk. Like any dependent child these Greek adolescents need to be weaned so they can go out into the world and learn how to produce something of value make a profit and earn their keep as all mature healthy adults try to do.

Victim and dependent mindsets never recover because the projection of blame is never on themselves which is the first place they should look. The Greek predicament is what the minds of it's people have caused and as a result of the peoples decisions they are feeling the pain of the consequences of their dependent childlike decisions. So go out there and take responsibility and create and produce and make a profit rather than acting out like a whining spoiled dependent child.

When one or many do the footwork they generally recover.






Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:24 | 1370850 Quintus
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We were discussing Europe not Greece.  Now would you like to ask me about what Europe has produced in the last 150 years?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 14:20 | 1371989 G-R-U-N-T
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No need i can do that very succincty. Europes behavior to its people produced America. Freedom and liberty a concept that isn't understood by people who dont believe in earning and keeping what they produced. What's happening. To Greece will happehn to the rest of the piigs.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 14:32 | 1372019 AnAnonymous
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Freedom and liberty a concept that isn't understood by people who dont believe in earning and keeping what they produced.


Because US citizens believe in that? Please explain their history then...

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 11:09 | 1371043 AnAnonymous
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Their dependent generational mindsets are under the delusion caused by the sick notion that mothers tits (statist government) will not run out of milk.


Waoooo... Sounds like the Greeks are experimenting what the US citizens experimented when they thought there would always be indian lands to rob, were building an economy on this postulate and had to face the reality. Two world wars as the legacy.

Hopefully, the Greek' delusion' wont get the same consequences.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:36 | 1370491 Hedge Jobs
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why am i a fucking hypocrite? Look, you seem like the kind of person who could flip out at any moment and go on a shooting spree so ill try to make this so simple even your tiny little brain will have a chance of understanding.

It takes 2 to tango. A borrower and a lender. are you still with me? havent confused you yet have i? Now, When bad loans (loans that never had a chance of being paid back) are created its becuase the borrower borrowed more than could afford to pay back and also becuase the lender lent more money than they should have. Both are at fault so both should wear the losses. The greeks are prepared to do what needs to be done but the lenders beleive they are "innocent victims" and should wear no losses at all despite the fact they are equally responsible. Thats the part most decent people disgree with, including me. I hardly see how this is hypocritical. Have you got that? good, now fuck off back under the rock that you came from.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 09:31 | 1370546 Apostle of Unknown
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Hmmm you seem quite the expert at this thing. Except my beef with these protesters is that the vast majority of them are not at all prepared to do what it takes. Most of these protesters understand the bit where they don't want to pay back their creditors; that's good. What's not so good, is that they don't understand all the other bits about reigning in government, rebuilding the tax base, reforming the labour system, unwinding the cradle-to-grave social system, etc. You know, cleaning up their pigsty. That's because a lot of them come from communist and nationalist backgrounds.

Anyways, this is my last response to you, because aside from being an obvious expert, you are also a moronic piss ant. If you were a German in the 1930s, you'd be ones of those guys wearing a Brown Shirt and saluting the new Fuhrer who you believe will lead the decent masses to a glorious liberation from their parasitic plutocratic overlords who caused the Weimar republic to collapse.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 09:44 | 1370690 Oh regional Indian
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Very interesting exchange all around. Tight, angry, pissy, bitchy. Just like a group of anonymouse men. 

But, to the point, People do not get th egovt. they deserve. Governments, especially Demoncrazies have been "arranged", "Bought" or simply stuffed since they began. People are getting exactly the governments that the Model says they should have for that 2-3-4-5 years, whatever the local requirements.

The macro control is actually frighteningly tight as any boundary pusher (like me) who has suffered at the hands of that control knows only too well.



Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:32 | 1370889 High Plains Drifter
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Hey ORI,

do you remember when the internet first started gathering steam back in the early 90's I guess?   and one of the unwritten rules was that you talked to people on the internet, just like if you were talking to them face to face?  how far we have fallen?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:48 | 1370963 falak pema
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Why? Do you get the impression you are talking to their bum ventilator; with your bum ventilator...? Or that you are talking into thin air...where you voice is lost with the chatter of the mad...where there is no echo of your cry...just a buzz of the twitter bug.

As for falling, it can go on. But we could rise as we fell and into a different dimension...there, where maybe the new frontier lies...try catching it.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:52 | 1370982 High Plains Drifter
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you seem to have gotten a hold of some good shit there flacid penis. what are you smoking ?  

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 11:29 | 1371137 falak pema
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Its not high plains drifter bullets and not shit from outer space...just a ripple of sanity with a zest of lyrics from Xenophanes that reeds out the bitter taste of frightened morality gone stale...look out for Hermes whose ithyphallic appendix inspires mine...for being capable of responding to bikinis in undulating dance....smoke my words and you lose your gridlocked, on high up sniper-dock, rock-around-the-clock sentinel post. 

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:50 | 1371486 Oh regional Indian
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I do indeed HPD. And people used to be encouraged to type full words etc. 

I think it's a clear parallel, how far we've fallen.

Twitter. Enough said, eh?



Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:54 | 1371511 High Plains Drifter
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i still have my usenet etiquette book..........





Wed, 06/15/2011 - 13:22 | 1371672 Oh regional Indian
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Hah. I suppose you can put that away, right next to your real, honest to goodness, paper dictionary.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 11:06 | 1370965 AbandonShip
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I kinda agree with HJ here.  Both are at fault.  Fine, the Greeks (in totatility) are ALL lazy Socialist bums.  Fine, we accept that premise. (I think there's actually more gray and tend to avoid broad generalizations of humans)  BUT WHY WERE THE GODDAMN FRENCH/GERMAN BANKS LENDING TO THEM AD NAUSEUM?!?  BOTH SHOULD SUFFER NOW.

Even the Chicago South Side drug dealers know when to cut-off a client before it's too late.  Don't need to calculate VaR or Probability of Defaults for that.  Dumbass bankers.  The onus is on the Distributors of Credit (just like blaming the U.S. borrowers for the housing bubble is a completely baseless argument).  IT'S THE BANK'S FAULT.  Borrowers will almost always take as much as they can get.

For f*cks sake, don't they have an acronym for this in banking?  K.Y.C  "Know Your Customer"  hahahah, go hire some more MBAs you genius bankers.


Edit:  I left out the Regulators.   Perhaps part of the problem is the decentralized banking regulation in Europe (a similar problem in USA).  What exactly are these regulators regulating?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 11:12 | 1371040 Reptil
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DUH they did that on purpose. This way, they transfer their assets (loans to an insolvent clique of usurpers at the head of the greek society) to the public debt of the german people, who are scared into doing this with threats of a "systemic collapse". Hell it worked in the "land of the free" so why not in europe they figured. Until this week, it did work. Right now you see politicians backpeddling on their previous dumb mistakes. A capitalist market MUST allow settlement. If that means paying off on stupid mistakes, so be it.

"The Greeks (in totalitaity) are ALL lazy Socialist bums"

Right... what a simplistic idea. Did you pick that up from the WSJ teleprompter? I guess those thousands of years of culture in the US of A spawned a much better organisation to run society? In reality it's in the USA where losses are "socialised". Your people didn't even figure out yet, they've already been enslaved.

Instead they're still listening to idiots like this:

Oh but you got guns? (I'm pro guns btw) But those guns are worthless. They'll be confiscated and there will be nothing you can do about it.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 11:17 | 1371090 AbandonShip
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Dude, do I really have to use a </sarc> tag next time?  Seems like you missed my note in parenthesis.  I DON'T actually believe that claim.  I was restating this claim by others to shoot down the "blame the borrower" argument.  To be clear, I DON'T BELIEVE ALL GREEKS (IN TOTALITY) ARE SOCIALIST LAZY BUMS.   Is that better?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 11:26 | 1371107 Reptil
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Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:13 | 1370429 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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unless your icelandic, or maybe from chile, I'm guessing you come from a country that did the same

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:41 | 1370496 SheepDog-One
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Huh thats weird Apostle, I thought you were talking about americans.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:30 | 1370865 writingsonthewall
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Like the man said "and you haven't"?


Stop trying to bring everyone down to an 'equality of misery' and you shouldn't really think of yourself as 'the exception' as I may have to point out exactky why you aren't.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:56 | 1371429 Apostle of Unknown
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"Equality of misery"? On ZeroHedge, we read about some guys in a bankrupt country protesting their government or even throwing a Molotov cocktail at parliament, so we automatically think they must be the good guys. Because governments are always bad and "the people" are always good.

Truth is: at least in a country like Greece and also in my own, a major problem that needs to be tackled IS in fact the irresponsible mentality of the inhabitants. Especially the unionist cretins you see protesting today. The cheap credit provided by the eurosystem had different consequences in different places. In Greece and other PIGS and Belgium, the borrowing was much less related to chronic military overspending or to "acute" causes, such as cleaning up a housing bubble or bailing out an insolvent banking system. More than in other places, the debt is related to the cost of an unsustainable system of social entitlements. These countries were slowly tearing themselves apart even before the euro, just look at Italy's pre-euro exchange rate to the Deutschmark. Having access to cheap loans in these countries allowed insolvency merely to be postponed. The situation cannot be resolved only by default or even by leaving the euro and going through a fixed devaluation. Those are only technical (and by now necessary) measures that buy more time. What is also needed is true austerity, giving up privileges etc and that's precisely what these retarded hypocrites are protesting against.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:09 | 1372617 downwiththebanks
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Apostle re:  #1370329

When Greece gives the banker-gangsters you serve the finger, how fucked will they be?   Why, they'll need another bailout, won't they?

And as they - the Banker-Gangsters you serve - produced this Depression (the only remaining thing left produced by White Capital), perhaps you should focus your attack on them.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:13 | 1370318 Azannoth
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Best of Luck to the Greeks! despite being lazy socialists bums that is

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:12 | 1372623 downwiththebanks
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And you are a servant of the Banker-Gangsters.

Solidarity with the People of Greece!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:19 | 1370319 averagejoe
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Time for the Greek people to end the plutocracy, and show the rest of us the way forward.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:35 | 1370343 cossack55
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I think Iceland already did that.  It worked so well.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:01 | 1370403 averagejoe
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Dont you mean 'is working well'.  They have limited their debt repayments to a percentage of GDP.  So no growth no repayments.  Sounds great to me and maintains their sovereignty and keeps the IMF from asset stripping their country.  It about time more of us stood up to the corporate elite.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:17 | 1370431 cossack55
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Of course. My utmost respect to Iceland. Would not mind moving there except for the whole fish thing.   My point was no one else sees the way forward.  They still love the status quo.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 11:32 | 1371159 bankruptcylawyer
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good ol' debt for equity swap.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 14:21 | 1371994 UGrev
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+1 trillion for using PLUTOCRACY. 

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:17 | 1370321 hugovanderbubble
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Morning Tyler,


Ask Reggie Middleton to resend the report regarding Spanish Reits, or contact me whenever u want.


Spanish " comunidades Autónomas " all in default.



Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:20 | 1370324 Leo Kolivakis
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At this rate, another Greek military junta is around the corner. It's f*cking sad watching this unfold. On a brighter note, they're still partying it up in Mykonos!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:47 | 1370363 Monedas
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Just kidding about the junk status ! My sick sense of humour ! Monedas 2011 Oh, the humanity ! Such sufferink ! Mein Gott !

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:04 | 1370364 malikai
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Now I know why the banksters want Greece so bad. And, really, who could blame them? A few million of these gilrs as serfs /can't/ be a bad thing.

I'll bet there's even a guy in here for Blythe.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:09 | 1370420 High Plains Drifter
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they are already slaves right now. they just don't know it yet.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:56 | 1370984 Shredd the FED
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Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:00 | 1370391 SheepDog-One
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But everything was just fine with Greece Leo, wasnt that what you reported? BTW, the Nazis had great gala parties all thru WW2.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:16 | 1372645 minsky4ever
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The Nazis still have great after-parties whenever there's a GOP convention.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:23 | 1372647 minsky4ever
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The fascist moment in America is waiting for a triggering event. Everything is in place.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:21 | 1370445 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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oh that ass in the pink bikini!!!

imagine wen she's starving and I've got all that silver! Then she'd have to pay attention to me!! hahahaha!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 09:53 | 1370711 VisualCSharp
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Can she eat silver?

Didn't think so.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:44 | 1370505 SheepDog-One
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Disturbing knowing an old pension fart like you Leo is sitting around watching youtube Greek party videos. 

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:47 | 1370516 web bot
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If you had any class, you'd take this down.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 09:03 | 1370556 topcallingtroll
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Give leo a break.

This is good stuff.

When i am an old fart ( probably am already to many of you) then i will likely be arrested for a sex crime after escaping from the nursing home.

The " most interesting man in the world" is old and has young hot chicks. I am not missing out either and neither should leo or any of you.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:43 | 1370931 High Plains Drifter
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that's called sugardaddy, no big deal, considering the old fart can't even get it up anymore and even if he could, he would probably die of a heart attack. so i mean come on.....just because you see a bunch of babes hanging around some old guy is no big deal. they are just sucking hind tit......when the cash dries up, those ho's will go on down the road.........

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:26 | 1370328 Cast Iron Skillet
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keep protesting ... glad you don't want our Deutsche Ma ... errr ... Euros!!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:25 | 1370334 kito
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I got up early for this. There better be more than just banner hanging today...

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:29 | 1370341 serotonindumptruck
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A couple of public self-immolations would set the tone nicely.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:19 | 1370437 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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...just get a cop...beat him to death

imagine how that would heat things up accross the whole globe!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:40 | 1370348 kaiten
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Let them default, kick them out of EU/eurozone and end this charade finally.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:14 | 1372637 downwiththebanks
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Look:  there's a Banker-Gangster shorting the Euro!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:44 | 1370357 uranian
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i'd no wanna be there at sundown tonight.


twitter feed for the protests: j15gr




Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:52 | 1370373 Monedas
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I want the Euro to fail ! Another grandiose, sick Socialist scheme to tax the hard working to pay for the brats ! Monedas 2011 Gold is and has always been money since purple sea shells !

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 07:57 | 1370393 A Dim View
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i'm working around the corner from protesters & it's kicking off big time in athens centre

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:04 | 1370402 Lord Welligton
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Do keep us updated.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:16 | 1370440 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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dude, strike!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:32 | 1370891 Cpl Hicks
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Get the bottle of ouzo out of the filing cabinet, order out for some of those deep-fried eggplant thingies and relax.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:00 | 1370400 Seasmoke
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this one has the looks of being a messy one

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:09 | 1370411 UGrev
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Hey Greece... 


sorry, I couldn't resist! ;)

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:10 | 1370413 Diablo
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its still early afternoon there, this could get interesting when the sun starts to go down.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:14 | 1370422 FunkyMonkeyBoy
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This is what should have happened in Ireland too. I was under the impression that the Irish people were a tough breed of people who take no s**t and will fight any foe to the bitter end...

... unfortunately, recent reality shows quite the opposite... They rolled over easier than a greased up fat girl. 

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:22 | 1370452 Cassandra Syndrome
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Only abroad for some reason. Even back in the Great Famine, there was little resistance to having to export food commodities and survive on a staple that was rotten to obey the Corn Laws AKA 1st Malthusian Experiment.

The resistance developed in force when Irish survivors of the 1840s Great Famine emigrated to the US and became very politically organised and created wealth. Thats how the Fenian movement developed.

Today the people are still full of Apathy here and accept the new version of the Corn Laws, viz. the European Union.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 09:50 | 1370700 topcallingtroll
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That is so strange.  I don't understand it.


Hell, we in America basically funded the IRA and spoon fed them to keep them alive.  We were the top funding source for the IRA.  We care more about Irish liberty than the Irish!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:15 | 1370781 Oh regional Indian
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TCT, are you suggesting that America funded the IRA out of the goodness of it's heart and care for the people of Ireland?



Epic laughter inducing. That's like bombing you into democracy or killing you to free you of yor oppressor. With a drone.

Yes, nice little America's caring green heart did it for the plucky irish, the beacon of demoncrazy gave a little something to a violently militant organization because they love th eirish.

For some reason I'm feeling called to continue in this sarcastic tone till I realized I'd have to go all around th eworld pretty much, finding signs of American Love and Caring.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:39 | 1370905 topcallingtroll
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We have never liked british colonialism and until recent times we supported republican and anti monarchy movements everywhere.

There are still a few real americans around.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 14:31 | 1372028 AnAnonymous
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We have never liked british colonialism and until recent times we supported republican and anti monarchy movements everywhere.


Of course, not. Since inception: Haiti. After that, the same.

The US citizens nature is eternal.


Thu, 06/16/2011 - 14:26 | 1375272 GoinFawr
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"There are still a few real americans around."

Not many (Russell Means)

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:16 | 1370800 High Plains Drifter
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IRA was probably funded by the British government and was filled with MI5 agents. This is the way things work. Did this help the average Irishman on the street, looking for a job, to feed his family?  no it did not. But what they did was make all Irishmen look bad and this was their purpose and is the purpose of any agent provocateur.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:10 | 1371292 Oh regional Indian
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Very true. The 2 square miles were all over the IRA and Sinn Fein.

But so was a lot of US Irish support via NY, NY. Gerry whatever always came calling to NY for funds.


Wed, 06/15/2011 - 12:28 | 1371388 High Plains Drifter
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a lot of times when you have organizations like this, you will have true blue believers. people that are authentic, that truely believe in what they are fighting for. the system uses people like this to achieve their overall goals. so take for example. some true blue believer, decides he is going to bomb something, the british intel people stand by and let it happen. because? it serves their purposes. when your enemy is doing something that helps you, then you let them. sometimes the agent provocateurs don't have to do anything to have their goals achieved. sometimes of course, they have to make it happen one way or the other.

the same thing happens all over the world. arabs, for example, sometimes probably wonder why nothing good ever seems to come their way. there is a reason for this.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 17:21 | 1372659 minsky4ever
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Trevelyan's corn.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:22 | 1370454 the not so migh...
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That is the reality, they stopped being irish and are trying to be good little europeans.  For the bankers! 

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:23 | 1370457 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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if the queen visits they're out in the streets; sell the whole country to the bankers its too much for them to understand, they think its good, just another move away from uk occupation

A nation obssessed with its identity and past, unable to see the present! Those brave men that kicked out the english are long gone it seems.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 09:40 | 1370655 hedgeless_horseman
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Remember Wolfe Tone.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:12 | 1370426 Out9922
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The people just caught an undercover police officer dressed as a civilian in the crowd 

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:15 | 1370439 RichyRoo
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Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:24 | 1370461 theMAXILOPEZpsycho
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tear him limb from limb!

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:18 | 1370434 RichyRoo
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wasnt there a vote today, what happened with that?

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:15 | 1370438 SirPlayomic
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State sponsored agent provocateurs being given big sticks by the police. Note - the provocateurs are more than likely police themselves. They are trying their best to make the protest turn violent so they can easily descredit it.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 13:52 | 1371845 Nikola Tesla
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What's just as shocking is youtube claiming only 306 views whilst there are 329 likes...

I thought googles moto was "Don't be evil"? Fuckers gave up that one a while ago.



Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:20 | 1370444 A Dim View
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protesters smashing up marble from syntagma square to throw at the police, tear gas everywhere

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:18 | 1370446 High Plains Drifter
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they are not ready for any real change yet. same old stuff we have seen many times before.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 08:35 | 1370483 serotonindumptruck
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I've seen rowdier crowds at a PGA tournament.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 09:48 | 1370687 topcallingtroll
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yeah.  It ain't no real southern european riot until the jugglers come out.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:22 | 1370839 High Plains Drifter
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this little clip provides anyone with a bird's eye view of what true resistance looks like and the inherent cost involved. The cities are reduced to ruins and people are displaced and killed and  they go hungry. This is what wars for independence look like ladies and gentlemen. make no mistake about it. it is not pretty. it is costly and liberty is not cheaply won. Are the greeks ready to pay such a cost? I think not.

Like us, their men have been feminized and their culure destroyed and they are happy with the crumbs that fall off of the tables of their slave owners.

Wed, 06/15/2011 - 10:40 | 1370912 High Plains Drifter
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now they are doing their little greek circle dance...........yeh its time to dance .......

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