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London Rioters Attack Ritz Hotel, Fail To Dent Reinforced Glass
Just your typical London protest. The Telegraph has recorded the attempted break and entry into a bank, which however proves too much for scattered "anarchists" courtesy of reinforced glass. The same can not be said for the Ritz hotel unfortunately.
And the latest timeline from The Telegraph:
19.15 Scotland Yard says: "Although the TUC march has passed
peacefully there remain pockets of disruption by breakaway groups in the
West End."
19.00 A Large bonfire lit by protesters in the eastern end of Jermyn
Street appears to be getting out of control, says reporter David Barrett,
with buildings now looking at risk.
18.55 Projectiles known as "Thunderflashes" - fireworks
containing coins - are understood to have been thrown at police in
Piccadilly Circus. Some riot police appear to be removing reflective bibs,
to reduce the risk of being set alight.
18.30 Amid clashes between police and protestors, a police
officer appears badly hurt, reports Michael Howie from Piccadilly. Half a
dozen police medics treat him before he is dispatched to an ambulance,
wearing a neck brace.
Meanwhile, protesters are being allowed out of the kettle, but those who do
not want to move on are involved in clashes near Piccadilly Circus.
17:59 Daniel Hannan, Telegraph blogger and MEP, questions the
negativity of the protest, in the post: 'March
for the Alternative'? WHAT alternative?
17.35 Lloyds TSB bank on Piccadilly is under attack from protesters, at
least one large plate glass window has been smashed, with banner poles now
being used as weapons, while red paint bombs have been thrown. Nearby a
protester is being treated for a head wound by police medics.
17.30 Reporter Michael Howie is among a crowd of thousands of people
contained within the police kettle surrounding Fortnum & Mason. He sends
this report:
"Skirmishes have broken out as police block off the exits to
Piccadilly, with protesters charging either end. Shop windows have been
smashed as terrified demonstrators and shoppers got caught up in the
violence
One father sheltered her distraught little girl in a doorway as missiles
were flung at riot police who hit back, striking some with their shield.
Peter and Elizabeth Davies, both 73, from Guernsey, were desperate to
escape the clashes.
'I came here to see my mother in a nursing home and we just wanted to find
a nice place to eat," said Mr Davies, taking refuge with his wife in a
close.
'It's terrifying,' said Mrs Davies. 'I've never seen anything like it
before.'"
Protesters
attack Topshop in Oxford Street
17.10 In Oxford Circus, many shops are now closed, though shoppers
continue to stroll among activists, with the main troublemakers dressed in
black, says reporter Ben Leach:
"Many of the shops around Oxford Circus are now closed as hundreds of
activists continue to protest outside Topshop. Dozens of police officers are
lining the entrance and seven riot vans are parked nearby.
Banners reading 'Keep warm, burn out the rich' are draped from traffic
lights, and flags depicting Che Guevara are being carried by the remaining
hardcore of protesters.
Shoppers continue to stroll through the area, which is filled mainly with
activists, most of whom seem to be either teenagers or in their twenties or
early thirties. The main trouble makers are dressed head to toe in black,
some wearing face masks, scarves to cover their faces and helmets."
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Sure you did, Skippy. Sure you did.
That is one creepy username you've got, matched only by the creepy thought attached to it.
Huh no. The impotency showed in the West has to do with the situation and the ways of the past.
Globalization is reaching its end and the world is organized by a US world order, meaning that all the resources of the world are dedicated to support the US and its underlings (Europe and Japan)
The old way was to manage discontentment by robbing from other people to appease the crowd. See how the US did this in the 19th century.
Worked but is limited. Once others run out of wealth to get robbed from, it is no longer possible to carry out that way of solving issues.
The US, the British have seldom solved their issues other than by exporting them onto others.
The process has peaked now, it is over, the world is saturated by issues exported by the West and is no longer to export more.
The Brits know that, they know their historical way of solving domestic issues, getting others foot the bill and clean their mess, is over.
They can not go tough because it brings nothing.
FIFY
It's not that white people don't know how to riot. It's that it takes a lot to get them really motivated and moving. But once they get started, they don't stop at throwing bricks through shop windows. When their grievances become unbearable and they're backed into a corner, they sack Rome, storm the Bastille, attack Fort Sumter, and coin the term "blitzkrieg". In other words, once white people are moved to the point of action, riot police and tear gas are laughably irrelevant.
Some people don't realize that the so called Caucasion people of the world perfected warfare. They came late to the game, but took it to another level. Tanks, Bonbers, etc...
What? im not going to burn my house down like they do in miami and l.a. Of course, that would be a hoot. Everyone who is underwater on their mortgage should just agree to burn each others houses down accidently!!!
And all over in time for tea with Mummy and Daddy.
Yeah, if they were really tough, they could comment on ZH instead.
Ouch! That hurt.
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Pain is not an option.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ5UF5M0i50
The peasantry of the world facing the New Versailles
I find it ironic how Labour is prompting the demonstrations. I find it particularly ironic when considering that Bliar/Browny's administration are the ones who got us into this mess in the first place with their focus on ridiculous amounts of porkish spending and foreign wars combined with their seemingly socialist, yet truly statist agenda. But, they are to be the heroes for standing up to reductions in government by the Torries/Lib Dems? I'm unable to comprehend..
Hey, you're not supposed to ask that. It's ALL THE FAULT OF THE GREEDY BANKERS (who were bailed out by Labour, but we'll just have to ignore this inconvenient truth as well).
Exactly. I see we're on the same page. I loled at your reply to me above. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who sees the irony of the party line bullshit. Sadly, our brothers and sisters in Gen Y don't.
What really surprises me is that I didn't notice any of those "Socialist Worker" cultists' flags. Didn't they get the memo?
The sad thing is that this is very real. There really are a substantial amount of hardcore militantly ignorant socialist theoreticians, who are absolutely convinced all problems started the second Labour were voted out of office. The record deficit was just an imagination, until Cameron moved into number 10. Then it became real, and the exclusive fault of the incoming party.
Indeed. It is very much the same as the politics in the states. And with the same net effect: increased social stratification, diminished educational quality, insolvency, rampant disinformation, and societal decay. Those elites sure do know how to divide and conquer.
To blame this on party politics is to miss the point entirely.
The system is inherently insolvent in that it begets increased insolvency the more you bail it out. It's would have mattered not which party was in government at the time of the insolvency, both would have done the same thing because it was the easiest and least urgent way, and that's what all politicians do.
The problem is that we vote the people in on a mandate of who can make us the most and best promises. It is our fault, which means that the problem is democracy itself. Time for a change...
I think you give too much respect to these 'militantly ignorant' peoples motivation. I doubt they differentiate between Labour/Tory - and why would they? The faces are different but the results are the same. And if Labour were still in, there would still be violence at these protests from the same people, as indeed there was at the G20 protests in Central London.
The agent provocateur theory holds water, the message of the demo will all but be lost in the imminent media disgust at the violence.
I don't, really. I'm just tired of this blatant current hypocrisy so evident from the left-wing news organizations, voters, and political party, who facilitated this mess in more than one way, and now attempt to worm their way out of it in the most slimy manner possible. And no, I don't ultimately think the Tories are much better, and would have bailed out the banks - something I think was systemically wrong.
Regardless, I reckon it's too late regardless of what's done. The combination of tax rises + spending cuts required to eliminate the deficit will cause the entire country to go on strike simultaneously.
http://intrinsicvalueoffiat.blogspot.com/2011/03/on-protests-in-london.html
Is that your page?
Agreed, it is too late to do much else, other than cut and whilst the Tories can pass the blame in this specific instance, they have plenty of history that makes them equally complicit in todays financial and social apocolypse.
The blatant hypocrisy is the norm, not just from the Left wing. I mean, is there actually anything such as left or right wing anymore anyway? Isnt that just an attempt to marginalise peoples views and affiliations? I believe in many different things and these beliefs arent aligned with any single party or side of the political spectrum. These beliefs are a mish mash of a million different views from as many different experiences and influences. The irony is that certain media outlets and institutions pigeon hole themselves as being for or against certain political manifestos and ideologies, yet the manifestos and ideologies of all parties are ultimately exactly the same. The rest is just PR and window dressing.The ONLY form of protest that could work, that could actually bring change, would be the refusal of the masses to vote. Nothing else can work, because the Government aligned media can distort any event to their liking - but a 0% voter turnout could only demonstrate one thing, that the people refuse to acknowledge the current system and its eligibility to rule.
I agree by and large with your post, but a couple of things. It's socialists out on the march, claiming it's "all the fault of the Tories" (or equivalent myopic bullshit), essentially clamouring for ends without ever addressing means (where will the money come from, except vague and unrealistic "tax the rich" promises). So when addressing the current situation, I will absolutely question the left and their faults. Had Labour won the election, whether their policy at present wouldn't have been straightjacketed into the same policies... essentially, the 70'es say no. Also evidenced by their strong ties to the unions.
Ultimately, the British/American model of a two-party political system is kind of ludicrious, because the statistical likelihood of agreeing with either is basically zero. The alternative, representative democracy, has its advantages, but ultimately negotiations and petty arguments increase parabolically.
What do you classify as a 'socialist'? A man or woman upset that because of financial deregulation and irresponsible and reckless spending, coupled with collusion and corruption at the highest level to seperate the working and middle classes from their financial security and that of their children, resulting in them being unable to put food on the table and demonstrating about that fact? Is that a socialist? Or is a socialist someone who just isnt a capitalist? Someone who disagrees with the current system - would that be a socialist? Again, like the left/right wing argument, this is simply a way of marginalising people - divide and conquer, a distraction. Most people in this country wouldnt be able to classify themselves as socialist, capitalist, communist or such. They wouldnt know what it really means; quite right too because it doesnt mean much anymore.
Capitalism ironically enough flogged itself down the river some time ago. The country is on its knees financially because of the short termism that capitalism inspires; by its very nature capitalism can only survive for so long before that happens.
I agree totally about the myopic bullshit (blame the tories) but again this is just a transparent technique by the 'better' informed to gain support - fight a common enemy. That doesnt make them socialists, it makes them very pissed off people and because of their lack of knowing better, they follow those who appear to know what they are talking about. You only have to look at Nazi Germany to see how effective that type of leadership can be when the followers are disillusioned and desperate.
The western media (and govts) have fought socialism and communism for decades - why? Because it seperates the ruling elite from power and wealth. Its an illusion that either are any better or worse than capitalism. Each has its faults and merits; the problem with all of them is that human nature will find a way to exploit the weak under the banner of whichever.
I guess in the universe of the globalist theories, though a rough estimation, you could declare them the targeted dependent and independent. But I guess it all comes down to whether you believe that the elite has disproportionate power to the extent you suggest.
Do I believe there are some very influential people, who through all sorts of means attempt to get their way? Sure. But do I believe the UK Labour and Conservative parties are ruled to the extent they are for all intents and purposes identical? No, I don't, and historically the directions they have taken have differed.
No-one can seriously question that the Labour party of the 70'es and the Tory party of the 80'es were identical.
We live in a dynamic and ever changing world. The Conservative/Labour of old are different to the Conservative/New Labour we have now. Priorities and ideologies have moved on within their respective parameters since then and my conclusion NOW is that the end result for the majority, of both parties ruling, is exactly the same.
So do you think Labour would have run with identical policies to those of the Tories, had they won the election?
No. They are different in that they appease a different demographic. Appease being the key word. But it is just PR. By giving voters a choice, they give the illusion of freedom and democracy. But Labour have done as much in the last decade for corporations as the Tories ever did. Privatisation via the back door. Is that socialist? A true 'socialist' abhors the majority of Labour parties policies as they should. Yet Labour tout themselves as 'a democratic socialist party'. So you see you have both sides (left/right) of the spectrum represented in Parliament, but in reality both parties sit right in the middle together.Their policies are different, but only in as much as they have to appeal to a different person to create that illusion of choice. A 'policy' exists to win votes. How many times have we seen these policies not come to fruition?
Im not suggesting that the parties are in cahoots, merely that to exist they must appease the masses and please the master. And the master doesnt change whoever is in Downing Street.
Wicked set of comments Badger, please keep posting as you are much, much more patient and polite than I could ever hope to be.
Regards
Cheers fella.
I asked a very good friend of mine a very simple question. 'Would you rather pay no taxes and not vote or would you pay your taxes and vote?'
Being respectable he immediately replied 'I would rather pay my taxes and vote.'
I then asked 'Would you rather pay no taxes and not vote or would you pay your taxes and vote for any one of the five candidates I give you who will ultimately do my bidding?'
He simply replied 'I would rather pay no taxes'...
At the moment we pay our taxes with no point in voting badger, they are all the same...
So you and I are whistling to the same tune then. ;-)
Escapekey
'So do you think Labour would have run with identical policies to those of the Tories, had they won the election?'
At the time I thought Blair had basically stolen the policies of the Tories to get labour elected where Kinnock failed...
That's what New Labour is, basically old Tory but without Thatcher...
I'm sorry, but wasn't it your "Iron Lady" who instituted the privatization and deregulation that led up to this "cock up" in the first fucking place?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgxEJOi6GtA
I always find this argument really curious. Because either way it's a clear admission that 13 years of Labour rule were wholly ineffective, be it through incompetence, corruption, or any other reason you care to mention.
Sure, the big bang took place under Thatcher. But the tripartite system was put in place by Gordon Brown, the idea being to stop this sort of thing (the meltdown) entirely from happening.
Give the people one party, and they have a common enemy, give them two (or 3) and they cant decide which to hate. Every to and fro between parties and elections will pacify the populace for a further 4 years. This is the way it works, the reality being that all parties serve the same master and that master isnt the British voting public.
Running a western 'democracy' is just like running a business these days. Pay the staff the least you can get away with, keep them to the bare minimum of happiness so that they fulfill their role and accumulate and redistribute the proceeds among the top brass.
So...hold the incompetent firefighter more responsible than the bombmaker?
I have no doubt that Labour has been ineffective during their time, but were they working in a vacuum?
Apparently EK sees 'taxing the rich' as ostensibly "unrealistic"... 'stealers-keepers' I guess; or is taxation only for the second and third estates in his world?
If you refer to my blog post, then please explain why you think anyone making any kind of money would still be in the country, if the 40% tax rate suddenly shot up to 70%, instead of heading to a country with substantially lower taxes?
What effect do you think this would have on the businesses trying to attract skilled employment? Do you think it would be easier for these to employ the best in their fields, relative to a neighbouring country with, say, a 45% tax rate?
In the event they couldn't attract people to fill these positions, do you think they might consider moving out of the country? And if so, what do you think the net result of this would be, in terms of total income taxes gained for the inland revenue?
And finally, in the event of the income tax rate were to move from 40 to 70%, thereby seriously reducing the average pay cheque of the consumer, what do you think would happen to the housing market in terms of pricing? You think the country could take this kind of collapse?
Or are you just confusing income taxation with wealth confiscation?
I refer to Phil Collins (your countryman) and his statement about the 95% tax bracket: "When you make enough that they're taking that much, they still leave an awful lot". Where exactly will these economic refugees from your prophecy go to earn the same kind of pay that put them in such a bracket?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWAl5V-SiKQ ...Friar Park...still in Henley-on-Thames, yes?
Zynga, the $10B valuated (LOL) social gaming company is claiming that they need a break on their taxes in SF or they'll "leave"; it will be quite funny when they are no longer able to tap the considerable talent pool required for their business because the people who make their empire possible don't want to go with them.
Who cares what Phil Collins thinks. I always laugh when I see fucking Bono interviewed about something well out of his sphere of competence.
Besides, I said the 40% rate. That kicks in at - what - £37.4k.
The 50% tax rate kicks in at £150k.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8604215.stm
If they were to raise this to 100%, it would still only generate an extra £12bn in taxes. This would only be enough to plug 10% of the deficit, at the unquestionable loss of a significant amount of high rate taxpayers.
Answer the question: where will they go to earn an equivalent salary in terms of PPP?
And, as long as we're on the subject, how many people actually pay the rates you're calling out? Or is their effective rate significantly less like here in the states (where that awful, egregious 35% rate works out to 22% effective on average)?
Well, first off US taxation is significantly lower than the UK, so that's one target. Salaries are also generally higher in hi-tech industries relative to here, so that's two in one.
Then there's the entire SE Asia area, rapidly expanding in hi-tech, and with virtually no overhead in terms of social security, and with rapidly rising salaries for top performers, this is overall an attractive target.
Then, if the tax increases really were to go from 40 to 70% for the middle class (£37.4), just about everywhere else in Europe would be below this figure. And not all European countries are the basket cases of others.
When it comes down to overall taxation, Sweden and Denmark usually stand out on top, with the UK trailing by roughly 12%. A 20% across-the-board rise in taxation would even make these countries attractive.
The BBC article addresses the amount of taxpayers in the 50% bracket.
Sure, nothing whets the appetite like the opportunity to be caned by the Singaporean police state.
As for the US, I don't know if you've noticed, but we've had a bit of a recession and most companies aren't that interested in paying to move ex-pats here while funding their H1Bs, when there are plenty of qualified, unemployed Americans who will accept peanuts.
So....about those effective rates...
There are ways of getting around H1B's. The companies I deal with usually use O-1's.
As for Singaporean police state, you do realize all the newly introduced legislation in the US is downright scary, right?
O1 visas require quite a bit more expense (all that complicated 'lawyering' to show exactly how unique each snowflake is, you know).
Yes, and those cameras you chaps have on every corner don't exactly cry freedom either, but we aren't engaging in corporal punishment against wanna-be Banksies quite yet (unless you tag something about AQ).
I don't know why people here think I support criminal bankers, just because I point out the mathematics behind increased taxation to bridge the deficit gap just doesn't work out. I think for some it's an element of "it just has to work, damn it" wishful thinking.
I don't. I wanted the banks to collapse, and all the stakeholders to collapse with them. That would, once and for all, have punished those who stacked up too high on risk, and it would have warned everyone else to keep their risk under control.
Instead we get nightmares of moral hazard, and ever increasing stakes at the casino.
But this has nothing to do with the basic mathematics behind balancing the budget.
/Ah apologies. I read your post as "bankers", not "Banksies". Gotta get some sleep.
I wanted the banks not to be allowed to end up forked between corporate welfare and collapse...wishing for junkies to show restraint on their own is a lost cause, giving them more dope even more so.
@EK (aka. Me first and the Gimme Gimme)
So your reasoning runs that even though mathematics clearly illustrates WHY many nation states are in the boat they are in those that have so far managed to get away with perpetrating this mess should not only continue to walk free but be made whole at the expense of the middle class? Oh, you don't agree with it, goodness gracious mater no; but it's just fine that those who can least afford it pick up the tab as long as there is no skin off your privileged pointy nose?
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on, Mr."free to those who can afford it, very expensive for those who can't"
"But this has nothing to do with the basic mathematics behind balancing the budget"
Oh but it does. Any equation is at the whim of its variables, and anything you do to one side of the function has an effect on the other. You might not like it if a tax variable works against you and yours, but at least we all know why now. Noted.
You would leave if you had to help out? awwww...Hey why not head to Equatorial Guinea? I hear the 'tax' rate is exceptionally low; though you'd better know damn well which side Mbasogo likes his bread buttered before you stay for dinner.
Regards
If the banks had gone so would the bond funds which support the money funds which hold the assets of the pension funds. The liquidity fail resulting from the loss of the money funds would prevent the Govt from bailing out depositors with debt meaning a great many bank depositors would have lost their deposits at the same time retirees and senior workers close to retirement would have discovered near to retirement that they had no income, assets or cash.
That sadly is the true state of affairs for most of the miiddle classes and is coming to a riot near you soon.
and for what it's worth, i believe it better than the alternative.
In a 2007 Independent interview, the late Eddie George stated there was substantial pressure on the BoE to lower rates, to escape a recession so close to the 2005 election. They knew it would lead to a housing bubble, but they were pressured into lowering the base rate.
Essentially, Labour were more interested in retaining their seats, than the financial health of the country.
Next you'll tell us about whores having low standards for sex partners?
I see you have abandoned having a conversation about the current topic. Is this the result of you having run out of relevant comments to make?
Fair enough, but pointing out that politicians want free cake is no more relevant from my vantage point.
I assume you're talking about the 'pressure' to cut a 7.5% BoE rate in 1998? And exactly how much 'pressure' did Labour exert on old Eddie when this was set up as the current rule set by your most reviled Chancellor of the Exchequer, Gordie?
What were they going to do, if he didn't lower the rate?...give him a spanking?
The rate setting was in 2003. The US were struggling economically, the UK election was in 2005... you can see where this is going.
Anyway, the link you sent me is for the now-defunct tripartite system of financial stability/policing, which basically didn't do the job it was supposed to. It was supposed to stop meltdowns from occouring - but in actuality, it just blurred the lines of responsibility between the entities (FSA, BoE, Treasury), with the inevitable result they all claimed innocence.
I think that bolsters my point though...three incompetent (and poorly coordinated) firefighters being no better than one. There's very little that a central bank can actually do to prevent meltdowns anyway. They can certainly make them worse, but the core problem is the initial deregulation and laissez-faire approach.
I clearly know 3/5ths of 5/8ths about UK monetary policy, but the analogy here in the states is the difference between repealing Glass-Steagall and refusing to regulate derivatives versus the Bernank Put in the early 21st century. That latter without the former would not have been nearly as destructive to the overall economy. Endogenous money theory shows how credit money is bubbled out of IBs and their MBS not CBs...deregulation is the explosive means to that end.
I've got to beat a hasty retreat and convince an unruly two-year old that sleep isn't just a good idea, it's the law.
Have a not-so-bloody Sunday.
I won't "follow" and risk outing myself, but you can know at least this ZHer has bookmarked and will be reading.
Who's fault is it then?
I think the person in charge of teaching you grammar should take at least part of the fall.
And I thought it was the killing fields of the Somme that sealed the empires fate - silly me - Blair / Brown are not even the 3rd course - they were the coffee and biscuit.
The meat and spuds happened a long time ago.
London does not remotely represent the UK now if ever - remember you could get Sterling in Berlin in 1916 !!
Actually it was during this time - when working class Saxon boys were found shockingly to be too malnourished to fling into battle effectively they needed Irish, Scots Irish and Scots to put the fear of God into the Hun.
Empires are meat grinders.
The end of the day will come and nothing significant will be achieved. No change. Rinse and repeat.
Why, whatever do you mean?
Keynesian economists will marvel in wonder, glowing about the GDP being added as a result of all the Starbucks and McDonalds franchises having been torched.
This might just be what takes the UK off the recessionary path.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ
Lord Skidelsky is at Bretton Woods this weekend w/Soros and 200 of their closest nwo buddies. Bitch of a climb up 302 in the snow, but, dang, the weather has been clear. Birds can get in w/low temp air no problem.
Skidelsky has said on Bloomberg (w/Keene) that +/-: "they aren't doing it the way that Keynes would have." (paid link, way back in time).
http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2011/March24/2492.html
h/t to the nervous Cleveland playa' (2xteams!)
- Ned
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=%22robert+skidelsky%22&... for some of "Lord Bob's" work.
[ed.--any of all y'all wish to get the "low-effort/high-benefit hike, at the top of the hill, past the elephant, park on left (west side) and spend an hour or so on the top of Mount Willard. just sayin']
Indeed... just as the Bard wrote:
"Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."
Hello My Femme-Fatale! Kill Me please?
London has a fair smattering of the angry underclasses. I'd be hesitant to call agents provocateur yet. I think the authorities want to keep this reaction vessel from exploding.
We'll see. Obviously I have nothing but an opinion.
what we are seeing is the 80 year old utterly failed and utterly bankrupt Socialist State of Britain implode and fight amongst itself. We are seeing Big Unions organise to protest against Big Govt making tiny cuts to its teets
We are seeing the Union sponsored Labour Party (Marxists) complaining about a Tory-Liberal Govt (socialists) making noise about cuts to their public sector empire but no action (cuts) to date.
This is not the real revolution. This is the public (political) sector in-fighting. The parasites have run out of (our) money having been spoilt like brats from 13 bankrupt squandering criminal years of the Labour Party. Sympathy? They can all go fuk themselves
The real revolution begins when the private sector tears down that parasitical sewer called Westminster ...what's happening now is just a pathetic public sector clown show
Generation "Y" at work, no jobs, no desire to work, just a bunch of punk ass rebellious thugs.
interesting perspective from a coward in the bleachers
Hey Mr. 2 weeks, 4 days,
Maybe the government shouldn't have sold their future down the river to bail out the bankers.
Generation "Tater Salad" at work, screwing over everyone else and expecting to be loved for it.
edit: More protest video
Imagine if protests were like this.
Edit: BBC protest video
As I said earlier - new blood troll.
Answer this question - obviously not liking generation y - which are you?
What's the matter? Can't raise yourself off of the couch without help?
Why should they work to enrich the rich while they take a pittance?
Guy Fawkes mask at 1:06. So perfect. I wonder if any of them realize who the true enemy is?
excuse my naivete, but who is the true enemy?
who the hell knows - wish I had a better answer
I'll take a stab. In order: the bankers (fractional reserve banking, Fed), the government, and themselves (for letting it all happen, and for wanting more from the government teet).
no the enemy is Government
it is Govt (monopoly power structure) that erects sustains and protects monopoly central banking. It is Govt that props up bankrupt bankers. It is Govt that meddles in the private sector to stop the free market working and assist monopolists. It is Govt that takes a country to war when its people has no beef with another country. It is Govt that robs society of its wealth (taxation) to enrich Govts parasites.
Govt is the problem and root of all societies ills and parasites. Flush Govt down the toilet and you flush 95% of societies problems down the toilet with it
I am.
Alpha Michael Foxtrot
Bank... hotel... its all the same for some.
Hey! The Ritz! That's like, where rich people stay and eat! Let's torch it! That'll show 'em!
What? Fractional Reserve Banking? Fuck off, that's boring.
It looks like they're financed and organized by someone. Could that be Soros?
Funny how Soros is everywhere there's chaos...
Glad I wasn't the only one thinking that. Very well organized, and driven by lunatics that have no idea what they're uprising against. Probably being paid to play along...
Doubtful they're being paid... they are students. Idealists who have nothing to do, oatmeal for brains, too many hormones (ah, the good old days) and a warm bed provided by mummy and daddy.
I concur, folks on the street. Why, in the ooooooolden dayz, there were some guyz I knew who would follow along in the pursuit of, well, radical females who rejected ALL norms.
#1103862
Big guys: b set.
- Ned
Soros is Sauron and the ring of Sauron is his hedge fund...So if you are a true hobbit you know what to do...
I will take the ring to Mordor -- though I do not know the way.
Yes, some people across the Middle East can rise up in the face tyrannical over lords with a little help from their friends.
Everyone else (Syria, Yemen, Bahrain) - Not.
Western world - Not.
You aren't very good at your job - I'd fire you - Yes.
You're not very inventive, are you? Somebody says something you don't like... only logical conclusion is that they're a paid government agent. You hold yourself in very high esteem.
Video reminds me of movies about English anarchy back in the 70s. I think this is the beginning of something real though. And I think we'll begin to see this in the US soon too. Not just after a racially incited event, but against banks, government, corporations - the "Establishment". The 60s without the love. And Vietnam morphed into why Iraq and Libya, but not Yemen and Syria. And the industrial-military complex that has become the financial derivatives-lobbyists-security complex.
Will only happen in America if Taco-Bell raise their prices again. Pussification, an american standard.
Pussification= Unionization
www.zerohedge.com/article/man-goes-shooting-rampage-after-learning-taco-bell-hikes-prices-beefy-crunch-burrito-50
When the NFL owners close shop and the price of beer hits the stops then the joe six-pack herd will get in the monster pickups and riot until the gas hogs run dry
Monkey, Stop food stamps, unemployment and wellfare and lets see. Stop SS, medicare, and medicaid and the streets will flow with blood (radioactive I might say)
Mmmm - not sure. I think the age of American power has come and gone and only now is the rest of the world recognizing it. Canadian election is part of that - Stevie will not get a majority gov but the neither will the Libs or NDP.
Taco Bell - won't miss it.
I was rather surprised this didn't make it onto ZH (unless I missed it). US citizens planning economic terrorism to be conducted in May... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvlvejSxBVQ
I saw it. You call that economic terrorism? Hate to break it to you, but the real economic terrorism has been going on since 08, and some would argue very convincingly that it has been going on much longer, since perhaps 1913 or even before.
One things for sure...Maggy Thatcher solved Britain's union pulsations and anarchist frills in the 70's. But she didn't have the maternal boobs to caress them back to the fold. It created a class barrier. Which is now re-emerging to pay back the Iron Lady's heritage in devalued copper coin...poured on to the heads of the establishment body guard : the London bobby, called Coppers!
You know very little about British social history if you think that Thatcher "created a class barrier" - She merely retrenched it by undoing the post-war status quowhich was, in balance, to the greater good of Britain. Thatcher was the genisis in the UK of a corrupt form of capitalism that has brought us to the brink of a total break down of social values and norms in countries who have sucked long and hard at the cock of 'free market' capitalism.
She didn't create the class barrier, true...but after nearly twenty years of social paternalism (Wilson/Heath/Callaghan) years, when Britain slipped down the welfare state route and got deep into the stagflation mire, she stepped in and pulled the rug from under that Keynesian model, then suffering direly from the inflation crisis of the 79 oil hike. Those years, when she broke the unions and installed fiscal/monetary discipline were very tough, as the lower classes slid back into extreme hardship, before the general health of the economy pulled them back up again, from the end 80's onwards. That is the 'economic social class' divide that her name is associated with and to which I refer...not the other one, much older, that comes from Rule Britannia days of Imperial, industrialist Britain.
I agree on some of your points however, this "fiscal/monetary" disipline was only applied on one side of the social coin while the finanical markets were given carte blanche to let rip on the other which has lead to the problems we are all to well aware of here on ZH. I don't exclude the Labour party from blame either - if you recall Thatcher's quote on her greatest achievement - she said " New Labour"
+1
Good for arts:
http://www.viewlondon.co.uk/films/billy-elliot-film-video-84.html
reverberatons still being felt. What is coming back now is payback - the whole fucking new royal wedding - absolutely not.
Cleancl...
whew, oh, yes
what I was going to say was that the indicator will be when the Auntie Zietunie cardz are ramped back. Then we have WI vs. xxx in spades.
Actually, tomorrow, we have German states vs. ???
- Ned
wankers...
so perjorative and judgemental. Unless, you, of course, have rather personal knowledge of same? :-? (and pissin' my pants)
- Ned
We used to blast people like this with rock salt from our shotguns..
Arm the hotel staff and pepper these skums who are no better than Somolia pirates.
Idiot anarchists don't even own a pick-axe to bust a window..lmao.
did you have muskets or twelve bore?...What a bore to shoot a stag in full flight...14 antlars and all because he went through your impeccable flower bed of primroses. Dearest, pass me the salt before I pepper you with moth balls and store you into the family vault for ad vitam aeternam.
Pick-axe? Think that through a little more. Not too concealable or innocuous.
What's this 'we' shit, bitch? How long have you been a porch nigger?
Wow...just wow.
It's about pigmentality, not pigmentation.
Pigmentality?...I learned a new word today...is that a progressive word?
And what does a porch have to do with it? ;-)
A sniglet, to be precise.
And the porch is what said pig man would be sitting on with his 'shotgun' so as to be close to his 'master' and far from the 'field' where he might actually be made to do an honest days work.
So...your'e saying the porch nigger (your words) would be protecting his master with his shotgun instead of doing an honest days work in the field.
Have I got that right?
What is the master being protected from?
An honest days work of his own.
What is dishonest about his work?
In an effort to get this little chat going again i'm going to paste a link to some photos of right on little rich kids smacking people poorer than them.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/8408855/Violence...
An old british pastime for the toffs to go around clobbering the hired help while impressing daddy and lining up a career in a merchant bank.
While I do appreciate the effort...snowy was trying to impress a point on me about "porch niggers" by stating that they are actually a "sniglet" (I think)...yet another new progressive word unknown to tea partiers.
Raaaycists should be kept up to date on the latest slang, lest they fall behind the exponential rave/race card curve ;-)
Its a tough job being the politically correct dude on ZH so good luck and i'll give you a story to help you on your way.
Years ago at uni my flat mate was black as the ace of spades, he had a broad local scottish accent though and people would visibly do a double take when they first heard him speak.
Like good mates we went travelling around europe where i'd observe the mostly good treatment he got, especially from the girls and dodgy looks from italian border guards.
One night we got kicked off a train and had a big argument where he began losing the plot.
It was meant to be a sign of how close we were as friends i guess, like the public enemy songs of the same time...
i said 'Don't give me your nigger-ass jive man'
And it didn't seem right and i regretted it.
He shut up and we didn't talk for the rest of the night.
And we never talked about it again and got on with our lives like nothing had happened.
We've never talked about it as is the norm for males in our culture.
i realised that nigger as a word when spoken by a whitey has connotations and so i wont ever use it again like that - but i may use it when talking bullshit to my mates, or when i talk about those two guys who robbed and beat me up at gun point one time.
You may have a zero tolerance attitude but i don't think its as simple as that.
Most people who want to be PC dont actually know any of the people they are trying to 'protect'.
My mate laughs at them and calls them 'whiggers' - i'm not saying thats you by the way - its a generalisation
Anyways to sum up i'd say a better approach is - when you dont like some one saying the N word dont say 'wow' like a public enemy enamoured european travelling student, tell the guy - 'What did you mean by saying nigger?
Its the only way to get people thinking.
"Its a tough job being the politically correct dude on ZH so good luck and i'll give you a story to help you on your way."
I'm hardly PC mate...I'll share one of mine.
In junior high school (in the South) I had quite a few black friends who I smoked pot with behind the school. We were on the bleeding edge of being bussed hither & yon in some grand social experiment. This particular school was in colored town (as they called it). Most of us didn't want to be there and most of the blacks didn't want us being there either. At the end of every school year there were race riots...the blacks called it Mojo...LOL.
But some of us made friends through having the same interests. One of these black guys was a guy named Tyrone. I remember one time we were behind the school and the conversation came up about what we would do if we came face to face with each in one of these black/white brawls.
He said "man ya know I gotta live here, you will go home across town, I'll still be here"...I said yeah, I know...we both knew what that meant. I can't honestly say if I would have laid my body on top of his to protect him from my friends...but I knew he wouldn't...glad I never had to find out.
Many of my white friends were knifed or beat up...many of the blacks got the same treatment...one black dude got his skull split open by me personally further along in my "education" in high school (MsC knows which one)...with a motorcycle helmet right in the middle of the hallway, the cops were called and I was arrested at home...it was what it was.
"i realised that nigger as a word when spoken by a whitey has connotations and so i wont ever use it again like that - but i may use it when talking bullshit to my mates, or when i talk about those two guys who robbed and beat me up at gun point one time."
Correct. Same with cracker going the other way. However, as chance would have it...being born in Fla. entitles me to the use of the word Cracker...as in Florida Cracker.
"You may have a zero tolerance attitude but i don't think its as simple as that.
Most people who want to be PC dont actually know any of the people they are trying to 'protect'."
I do...I'm not most people.
"My mate laughs at them and calls them 'whiggers' - i'm not saying thats you by the way - its a generalisation"
Here they are called whigga's...for "wannabe niggers".
"Anyways to sum up i'd say a better approach is - when you dont like some one saying the N word dont say 'wow' like a public enemy enamoured european travelling student, tell the guy - 'What did you mean by saying nigger?"
My point with snowy...as she knows all too well what she was doing (even if she did it badly)...her attempt at the dual edged use of the term was not using it in some grand allegory...she was being herself...she could have used gravity and it's effect on planets...Stockholm Syndrome...any number of things...she chose "porch niggers" to be provacative...porch niggers do not protect their master as they have never had one...a porch nigger (porch monkey and all variants) is someone who sits on their ass all day and does nothing...she went on with "fields" not knowing what the fuck she was talking about.
The long and short of it is...no, I'm not PC...but snowy professes to be on many occasions...I doubt very seriously she has ever interacted with blacks or any other race outside of her own.
Cheerio!
you may not get this comment but i hope you do.
thanks for your story - its a good one.
i'll look out for your posts.
I got it...see you around.
Take care.
No, their pigmentality was the sniglet; the 'porch nigger' comment was an allusion, but perhaps allegory is lost on you?
I tried building a mental bridge to help you over your literal interpretation, but now you've gone and burnt it like Richmond.
No Brixton , they burned down Brixton.
Anyway , i thought that was it , PC people cannot tell their allusion and allegory apart.
Many would rather these things go undiscussed as well as any lessons we might take away from doing so (for example, how the betrayal of a few favored sycophants works to maintain the advantage of the powers that be).
"Many would rather these things go undiscussed as well as any lessons we might take away from doing so (for example, how the betrayal of a few favored sycophants works to maintain the advantage of the powers that be)."
Like teachers & public sector unions?
Depends on which master you're referring to, I suppose. One willing to use shotguns on the (hired?) help? A curious industry.
ringa ringa roses...pocket full of posies...lol.
I've just got back from Central London, there's so many people pissed off with the government. They've started a fire in Picadilly too. There's hundreds of police officers by Westminster so I doubt they're going to do anything major. Most protesters are around Picadilly/Oxford street. I don't get why they don't just go march in the financial district.
A friend told me the thing that got set on fire was... wait for it... a Trojan horse! The City is empty during the weekend. I'd guess they're trying to avoid being rounded up and arrested. Besides, I heard that the Trojan horse crowd was demonstrating against companies that blatantly use tax avoidance scams - like Top Shop, and their flagship shop is in Oxford St.
Did they enter the City palace and rape the Trojan women... those traders who are whores for their bankstas...
I know! Almost prosaic in their choice of incendiary. When I heard the UK Uncut crowd burnt a Trojan horse, I thought it was pure class.
the infamous british estate yob hoodie. see, when you take away violent soccer hooliganism from the little ones, this is what you get.
Na, most of those were down the pub watching England Vs. Wales.
Think I saw some rockstar's kids and some etonians in there though.
What...no football match today?
I've seen gay pride protests on T.V that were scarier.
That is one of the most honest statements I've read yet on this thread. Thank you, Mr. Dabolina
Nipple rings caught in Prince Alberts, film at 11.
19.25 Police report that nine arrests have been made. Of those, four were for using threatening or insulting words or behaviour
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8407260/TUC-protest-march-live....
"four were for using threatening or insulting words or behaviour"
Not that's gotta hurt.
By God sir, the frogs have invaded London!
Up, Guards, and at 'em.
ANONYMOUS,
So you and the kitty have decided that you lost the bet? Interesting. I look forward to your strip tease, sir.
I wrote you a clitoral poem..did you read it?
Yes, thought it was an old story you were retelling, did not know it was yours. Fun.